Found advantage of Russian launch vehicles over SpaceX counterparts


General Director of CosmoCurs Pavel Pushkin believes that the difference in design schools makes Russian missiles more reliable than American ones. As part of an interview with the agency RIA News the co-developer of the Angara launch vehicle family noted that launch cancellations are extremely rare in our country, and the expert does not recall transfers of a manned flight, and even a few minutes before the start.


The functionary emphasized that Russia and the United States have different approaches to the design of spacecraft and the location of spaceports. At the same time, Pushkin was surprised by the "light" attitude of the Americans towards the construction of missiles.

Given the frequent and unforeseen changes in weather conditions associated with the proximity of the cosmodrome to the ocean, this factor must be introduced into technical assignment in the design of American spacecraft. In Russia, all missiles were originally military, so they had to fly under any conditions.

We have written in all technical tasks that in hail, snow, rain, we must launch a rocket

- noted Pushkin.

A vivid confirmation of this is the successful launch of the Soyuz launch vehicle on the Glonass-M satellite on May 27, 2019. Then lightning hit our booster.

Sudden cancellations of starts due to weather conditions can occur when it comes to unmanned missions. But the recent transfer of the Crew Dragon flight to the ISS looks extremely undesirable, since the crew went through all the stages of preparation, and the start was canceled in the last minutes, the expert emphasized.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2020 13: 00
    -6
    "Advantage Found," haha. Those. The "expert" had to search for them for a long time ...
    There is no way to tell the truth: we are eating the heritage of the USSR ...
  2. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 13: 14
    -4
    Funkioner emphasized that Russia and the United States have different approaches to the design of spacecraft and the location of spaceports. At the same time, Pushkin was surprised by the "light" attitude of Americans towards the construction of missiles.

    The "functionary" probably forgot how the Saturn-5 rocket was created and tested.

    Sudden cancellations of starts due to weather conditions can occur when it comes to unmanned missions. But the recent transfer of the Crew Dragon flight to the ISS looks extremely undesirable, since the crew went through all the stages of preparation, and the start was canceled in the last minutes, the expert emphasized.

    Just the cancellation of a manned launch due to weather conditions is more logical, because the loss of cargo is an undesirable but compensable loss, the loss of people is not.

    that cancellations of launches are extremely rare in our country, and the expert doesn’t even remember the transfers of a manned flight, and even a few minutes before the start.

    Union MS-02 - postponed for technical reasons.

    A vivid confirmation of this is the successful launch of the Soyuz launch vehicle on the Glonass-M satellite on May 27, 2019. Then lightning hit our booster.

    It was the launch of a satellite, not a manned ship. SpaceX also launched its rockets in adverse weather.
    1. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 29 May 2020 17: 57
      0
      Yes, it was so tested that it is still lying around in the museum, like an unnecessary piece of iron))).
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 17
        -2
        Those tasks for which Saturn-5 was created, she completed in full.

        And about the "unnecessary piece of iron" - you say the Soviet rocket "Energy".
        1. shadow Offline shadow
          shadow 29 May 2020 18: 26
          +1
          And what task did she accomplish? Here Energy has completed the task: Buran brought out.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 29
            -1
            And Saturn-5 delivered 6 American expeditions to the Moon (this is without taking into account missions with the moon around, but without landing, and training launches into orbit) and launched the American orbital station SkyLab into orbit.
            1. shadow Offline shadow
              shadow 29 May 2020 18: 37
              +4
              Yeah, to the moon)))) So it delivered that only lie are revealed in pictures, in films and in flight. I especially liked the fact that the Soviet military caught a capsule empty, in which there should be astronotes, but for some reason they were not there. And she was not training, because there are no hooks for securing parachutes on the training capsule. You are a storyteller.))
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 02
                -2
                And she was not training, because there are no hooks for securing parachutes on the training capsule.

                Yeah, and on parachute tests, parachutes are glued to them with the contents of your nose and ears. I understood you.
                1. shadow Offline shadow
                  shadow 29 May 2020 19: 05
                  +2
                  Here are just no tests, because the rocket has already flown.)
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 12
                    -2
                    In total, more than three dozen models of the descent vehicle of the ship with serial numbers from BP-1201 to BP-1233 were manufactured under the Apollo program. They were used to train crews of search vessels around the world. It is known that the instance with the number BP-1204 "lit up" at the base in Rota (Spain), with the number BP-1215 - in Japanese Yokosuka, with the number BP-1223 - on the Azores, with the number BP-1227 - in the Bay of Biscay.

                    This layout did not launch on a rocket at all. You're talking nonsense again.
                    1. shadow Offline shadow
                      shadow 29 May 2020 19: 20
                      +2
                      Who cares how many layouts were created. Caught is not a layout. So, you are raving. Or rather, trying to justify the amers. How much do you get paid?
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 15: 43
                        -2
                        Caught is not a layout.

                        Caught just the layout.
                      2. shadow Offline shadow
                        shadow 30 May 2020 18: 12
                        +1
                        Yeah, right after some kind of mock-up, the Americans have already come, and then they immediately went back down. Do not tell tales)). Well you brainwashed that you believe in all this))).
                        The Americans didn’t even run after the layout, all the more, as you say, this layout was scattered around the world.
              2. shadow Offline shadow
                shadow 29 May 2020 19: 09
                +1
                https://photo-vlad.livejournal.com/139211.html
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 31
                  -2
                  And what do you give me another link to the same "especially gifted" as you? I’ve read so many such "whistleblowers" myself that I can tell you all your "arguments" by heart, from "you can’t see the stars" to "the flag flutters" and "the USSR got a bunch of goodies for hiding the American scam."

                  Let's get something serious. I believe in you, you can.
                  1. shadow Offline shadow
                    shadow 29 May 2020 19: 40
                    +2
                    Already what links you throw on jaundice, it would be better to be silent. And then you rush about: I threw, oh, I did not throw.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 15: 42
                      -2
                      So what links do you throw on jaundice

                      So it’s you who are referring to it, and not me)) I just just found the source for you - you’re not able to ...
                    2. shadow Offline shadow
                      shadow 30 May 2020 18: 10
                      0
                      You throw it and say that this is the source. Is that how I refer to her? Are you okay with your head? It seems that all you say about others is your sores.
                      Absolutely lie.
  • shadow Offline shadow
    shadow 29 May 2020 17: 59
    +2
    We even get lightning in a rocket, but nothing flies to itself and flies. And amers wet all the plywood with rain.)
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 25
      -2
      The Americans just cancel missile launches, not because of lightning, but because of stormy winds. Which on Baikonur is not due to the lack of nearby sea there.

      Interestingly, the launches of Russian Soyuz rockets from the Kourou cosmodrome, located on the coast, are also periodically postponed due to weather.
      1. shadow Offline shadow
        shadow 29 May 2020 18: 31
        +3
        The launch of the Soyuz rocket from the Kourou space center in French Guiana with five European spacecraft was postponed for a day. During the final operations before launch, the automation revealed a malfunction in the control system, the press service of Roscosmos reports.
        Weather.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 40
          -2
          And with the Kuru "Union" was launched only once?
          I understand that you do not know how to look for information, so I will do it (once again) for you:

          https://www.newsru.com/world/25jun2013/kuru.html - о запуске 25 июня 2013 года

          The rocket launch was supposed to take place the day before, but it was postponed for a day due to inclement weather. Today, the launch also nearly came under threat of failure - all the same bad weather forced experts to postpone the launch for half an hour, it was possible to postpone the operation for another day.

          https://www.newsru.com/world/25apr2016/kourou.html

          - about the launch in 2017. The launch was postponed 4 times, including due to the weather.

          https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/571bf1c59a7947240d9f046a

          - also postponed due to bad weather.
          1. shadow Offline shadow
            shadow 29 May 2020 18: 55
            +2
            It’s just that it was not the rain that prevented, but a strong wind. And for some reason I did not notice a strong wind in a live broadcast))
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 56
              -2
              It’s just that it didn’t interfere with the rain, but a strong wind. And for some reason I did not notice a strong wind in a live broadcast))

              Well, who is to blame for you, that you do not know what a "tropical cyclone" is and what the wind speed is in it?
              1. shadow Offline shadow
                shadow 29 May 2020 19: 02
                +2
                What does the cyclone have to do with it? The broadcast shows how smoke or steam mixes very slowly. There is no cyclone.
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 06
                  -2
                  And where does the cyclone?

                  Despite the fact that:
                  1. The flight path of the rocket went through a cyclone;
                  2. Because of the storm, there was strong excitement in the area of ​​landing of the step (on the barge) and, most importantly, in the area of ​​the expected fall of the capsule in case of its shooting in case of an emergency.
                  1. shadow Offline shadow
                    shadow 29 May 2020 19: 11
                    +2
                    Well, yes, it will blow the plywood.)))
                    Cyclone? Why couldn’t they take care of the date in advance? Some kind of strange cyclone.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 15
                      -2
                      Well, yes, it will blow the plywood.)))

                      Say this to the Union, whose launches were delayed from the Kuru due to the wind.

                      Why, they couldn’t take care of the date in advance?

                      Because the date of manned launches and backup windows, my young friend, is calculated in advance (for several months) due to the fact that you can’t reach the ISS at any time with a click of your fingers. And the weather can change in a matter of days.

                      Some cyclone is strange.

                      Ordinary tropical cyclone.
                    2. shadow Offline shadow
                      shadow 29 May 2020 19: 18
                      +2
                      Such a good cyclone, even the wind does not really blow.)) Moreover, in such an open space.
                    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 33
                      -2
                      How many times have you to repeat that the flight path ran through the cyclone, and not the start location in it? Three times? Four? Maybe 10? Although no, for those like you, it will not be enough.
                    4. shadow Offline shadow
                      shadow 29 May 2020 19: 39
                      +2
                      It's in your head a cyclone) Justify, justify. You have nothing left to do. But there is no cyclone, these are your inventions.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 29 May 2020 18: 40
    +3
    Just the cancellation of a manned launch due to weather conditions is more logical, because the loss of cargo is an undesirable but compensable loss, the loss of people is not.

    It is logical to use a reliable carrier for manned launches that does not depend on the vagaries of the weather. The cargo can just wait, people can not, sitting in the ship, wait weeks for weather from the sea.

    Union MS-02 - postponed for technical reasons.

    Ага. yes And Roskosmos reported this a week before the launch.

    https://www.roscosmos.ru/22667/

    I believe that by then the astronauts had not yet managed to occupy their seats. winked

    It was the launch of a satellite, not a manned ship. SpaceX also launched its rockets in adverse weather.

    This is what this is said about. yes In bad weather, SpaceX could risk launching a satellite. There is no reason to talk about manned launches. SpaceX did not send people even once. Apparently, the "delicate creations" of the Mask do not risk sending with people.

    I looked at whether there were such cancellations with us, I did not find it. request Can you tell me?
    There was such a case, a manned launch, because of the strong wind they delayed the translation of the rocket into a vertical position. The launch itself went without delay.

    Roscosmos reported that the launch of the Soyuz-FG launch vehicle from the Baikonur cosmodrome with the next expedition to the International Space Station (ISS) was not transferred, despite delays in installing it on the launch pad due to strong winds. “Today at Baikonur, the Soyuz-FG launch vehicle with the Soyuz-TMA-20M manned spacecraft was transported to the launch pad. Due to weather conditions (wind speed over 15 m / s), the verticalization of the launch vehicle was postponed. There is no decision to postpone the launch, ”said the representative of Roskosmos
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 48
      -2
      It is logical to use a reliable carrier for manned launch that does not depend on the vagaries of weather.

      There is no such carrier. The wind affects both the American and the Russian missile in the same way. The only difference is that the Americans launch their rockets from the sea coast, where stormy winds are a frequent occurrence, and Russia launches its launches from Baikonur, where stormy winds are nonsense (due to the sharply continental climate).

      For some reason, at the Kourou spaceport at least 3 times the launches of the Unions "not responding to the weather" were postponed due to weather conditions.

      people cannot sit in a ship waiting for weeks from the sea for weeks.

      They don’t sit there.

      I looked at whether there were similar cancellations with us, I did not find the request. Can you tell me?

      There are no tropical storms in Baikonur. On Koura, the abolition of the “Unions” due to weather conditions is a fairly common occurrence.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 29 May 2020 19: 11
        +3
        There is no such carrier.

        There is yes And you know him winked

        The wind affects both the American and the Russian missile in the same way. The only difference is that the Americans launch their rockets from the sea coast, where stormy winds are a frequent occurrence, and Russia launches its launches from Baikonur, where stormy winds are nonsense (due to the sharply continental climate).
        There are no tropical storms in Baikonur. On Koura, the abolition of the “Unions” due to weather conditions is a fairly common occurrence.

        What are you saying. belay And when they built the spaceport on the shore, didn’t you know anything? Is there a problem with the territory in the USA? Or did you hope that the weather will always be wonderful? The person who chose the place for construction should be put on the fairing at the next start. laughing
        If you already decided to build on the shore, you had to think about operation.

        For some reason, at the Kourou spaceport at least 3 times the launches of the Unions "not responding to the weather" were postponed due to weather conditions.

        And what, they were all manned?
        How much to repeat to you, a rocket with a load can stand and wait, you can’t put the pilots on pause.

        They don’t sit there.

        What am I talking about? belay Of course they don’t sit. That is the problem. People are not machine guns. They need to be prepared for launch. Medical examination and so on.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 25
          -2
          There is. yes And you know him

          No, I do not know. Which one? A union whose launches are delayed on Kura due to the weather regularly?

          And when they built the spaceport on the shore, didn’t you know anything? Is there a problem with the territory in the USA? Or did you hope that the weather will always be wonderful? The person who chose the place for construction should be put on the fairing at the next start.

          Not just guessed, but knew. And Florida was chosen for the cosmodrome for one simple reason - it is located close to the equator, which allows to increase the mass of the payload due to the natural rotation of the Earth.

          It is for the same reason that the French chose Guiana for their Kuru.

          How much to repeat to you, a rocket with a load can stand and wait, you can’t put the pilots on pause.

          Therefore, they simply leave the ship while waiting, and then return back.

          They need to be prepared for launch. Medical examination and so on.

          And?
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 29 May 2020 19: 48
            +3
            No, I do not know. Which one? A union whose launches are delayed on Kura due to the weather regularly?

            From the Kourou space center, manned launches are not carried out in the Unions.

            Not just guessed, but knew. And Florida was chosen for the cosmodrome for one simple reason - it is located close to the equator, which allows to increase the mass of the payload due to the natural rotation of the Earth.
            It is for the same reason that the French chose Guiana for their Kuru.

            This is what is being said. They strove for greater economic efficiency. Russia has a different approach. Launches are less dependent on weather conditions, this is an opportunity to launch exactly on schedule.
            Russians take and launch a rocket, Americans with the French land on the shore and wait for the weather from the sea. laughing

            Therefore, they simply leave the ship while waiting, and then return back.

            It is not as easy as you think. It's not like getting in a car and driving.

            Astronauts come to the training center in advance. There they live and undergo all the necessary preparatory procedures: physical training, a complete medical examination.

            And now the launch is canceled. They continue to live in the same isolated conditions, the preparation procedure is repeated. This, incidentally, is an additional cost, but this is not the main thing. The main thing is the psychological state. It may happen that the astronaut is simply not ready for the next launch, the crew will need to be replaced.
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 20: 00
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              From the Kourou space center, manned launches are not carried out in the Unions.

              What's the difference? If the Union does not respond to weather conditions, then what prevents it from starting with an unmanned load?

              Russia has a different approach. Launches are less dependent on weather conditions, this is an opportunity to launch exactly on schedule.

              That's right, they depend less on weather conditions. Because the weather is calmer, and not because "the Union is not afraid of either wind, thunder, or storm."

              It is not as easy as you think. It's not like getting in a car and driving

              But not anyhow what a difficult job.

              The main thing is the psychological state. It may happen that the astronaut is simply not ready for the next launch, the crew will need to be replaced.

              In astronauts, as well as astronauts, they recruit people with steel testicles. They are being prepared for long-term expeditions to the ISS, where people have been living for months in isolation and in very cramped conditions. For several days in the quarantine room, before they start, they will easily wait. And if suddenly (which is very rare, but it happens) for some reason the crew cannot participate in the second attempt to launch, there is always a pre-trained and prepared reserve crew for safety reasons. And with us, and with the Americans.
    2. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 53
      -1
      There was such a case, a manned launch, because of the strong wind they delayed the translation of the rocket into a vertical position. The launch itself went without delay.

      https://tass.ru/kosmos/2743228 - здесь почитайте.

      This launch was completed only after the wind decreased to an acceptable level.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 29 May 2020 19: 23
        +2
        This launch was completed only after the wind decreased to an acceptable level.

        Let's not stupid. I tell you about the launch September 2016 year.

        ROSKOSMOS decided to postpone the planned on September 23 2016 of the launch of the Soyuz MS-02 spacecraft for technical reasons after conducting control tests at the Baikonur Cosmodrome.

        You are talking about a possible delayed launch due to a gale, another ship, and at another time.
        By the way, the ship started on time, as promised.

        Soyuz TMA-20M - launched March 19 In 2016, a Russian spacecraft delivered three members of the ISS-47/48 expedition to the international space station.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 19: 38
          -1
          Let's not stupid. I tell you about the launch in September 2016

          So do not be stupid. I gave you a link about the same case you indicated when the manned launch of the Union was postponed due to wind.

          By the way, the ship started on time, as promised.

          That's right, because by that time the wind had died down. And now we read the quote from this article:

          Even if the verticalization of Soyuz-FG is carried out tomorrow, the launch crew will have enough time to prepare the rocket and launch on the night of Friday to Saturday. If the weather situation does not improve tomorrow, then it may be necessary to transfer the start date to the reserve day - the next day, "he said.

          Again. The reason that there are fewer transfers of manned launches of the Soyuz than transfers of American manned launches is because strong winds happen in Florida much more often than at Baikonur. For the sea is near.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 29 May 2020 20: 19
            +2
            So do not be stupid. I gave you a link about the same case you indicated when the manned launch of the Union was postponed due to wind.

            You exactly DOWN. How much can you repeat? belay
            1. September и March not the same thing. These are different launches. ВЕСНА и ОСЕНЬ You see, this is a slightly different time. repeat
            2. Postponed the translation of the rocket into a vertical state a week before launch. This is not the same as getting on ships and waiting for the weather.

            That's right, because by that time the wind had died down. And now we read the quote from this article:

            I read it. And I understood the meaning of what I read. What you did with the text is the same, I'm not sure.
            The launch is prescribed after the preparation of the rocket. We have a delay in preparation due to weather conditions.
            The launch itself was not canceled. Preparing a rocket, putting a crew in it and waiting for suitable weather is not the same thing. I'm tired of repeating the same thing three times. Do you have problems with the perception of information?

            Again. The reason that there are fewer transfers of manned launches of the Soyuz than transfers of American manned launches is because strong winds happen in Florida much more often than at Baikonur. For the sea is near.

            The reason is a different approach to the design and operation of the complex, the launch site is a rocket.
            Firstly, the missiles themselves are made using a different technology, the American ones are not designed for overload due to climatic conditions and are forced to wait for suitable weather. They are, so to speak, “fragile” or, if you want, “tender”. It's like a Kalashnikov assault rifle and an M-16.

            Pushkin noted that the United States perceives transfers of space launches easier, and therefore cheaper and simpler control systems that are not designed for overload due to climatic circumstances are used for the production of spacecraft.

            Secondly, yes, the spaceport located on the coast is more susceptible to weather conditions. I have already repeated this to you three times, no less. Who made them build on the beach?
            They got the best economic efficiency, but lost in reliability and the ability to carry out regular launches exactly on schedule from them is impossible.

            Manned and cargo launches vary. Here the main thing is reliability and safety, economic efficiency fades into the background. Do you disagree with this?
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 20: 39
              -1
              You are exactly DOWN. How much can you repeat?

              So repeat yourself, not me. I specifically indicated in my comment the year before that your quote and it was to her that I brought the link. About MS-02, I did not say anything.

              They postponed the translation of the rocket into a vertical state a week before launch. This is not the same as getting on ships and waiting for the weather.

              Right. Because the wind began at the time of preparation for the launch. And in this Dragon launch, the weather worsened on launch day. Is that clear, I hope?

              I read it. And I understood the meaning of what I read.

              Once again, I will quote from the article. And again, highlight in bold.

              “Even if the verticalization of Soyuz-FG is carried out tomorrow, the launch crew will have enough time to prepare the rocket and launch on the night of Friday to Saturday. If the weather situation does not improve tomorrow, then it may be necessary to transfer the start date to the reserve day - next day "

              Start Dates. Not training, namely the start.

              Firstly, the missiles themselves are made using a different technology, the American ones are not designed for overload due to climatic conditions and are forced to wait for suitable weather. They are, so to speak, “fragile” or, if you like, “tender”. It's like a Kalashnikov assault rifle and an M-16.

              I hope you can confirm this with the technical specifications of American and Russian missiles?

              I have already repeated this to you at least three times. Who made them build on the beach?

              And I already answered you three times - the ability to put more cargo into orbit.

              Manned and cargo launches vary. Here the main thing is reliability and safety, economic efficiency fades into the background. Do you disagree with this?

              When a manned launch into space is not "naked" people - along with them a lot of equipment is launched into space. And the more the rocket has the ability to put into orbit, the better. Including in manned launches.

              Yes, in manned launches, crew safety is more important. Therefore, the Americans and are reinsured, canceling launches in bad weather, what happens not very often. But they ALWAYS have an advantage in the payload due to the fact that the spaceport is located at the equator.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 29 May 2020 22: 17
                +2
                So repeat yourself, not me. I specifically indicated in my comment the year before that your quote and it was to her that I brought the link. About MS-02, I did not say anything.

                Since this is not about MS-02 (September), but about Soyuz TMA-20M (March), your statement is that:

                This launch was completed only after the wind decreased to an acceptable level.

                It is not true. The launch was carried out at the appointed time. He was held exactly at the appointed time. The astronauts did not sit in the ship, waiting for the weather.
                I'm tired of repeating the same thing. You see START-UP HAS EXACTLY AT THE TARGETED TIME, yes and then what were waiting while "the wind has decreased to an acceptable level "- these are your FABRICATIONS.

                Roscosmos was informed that the launch of the Soyuz-FG launch vehicle from the Baikonur Cosmodrome with the next expedition to the International Space Station (ISS) was not transferred, despite delays in its installation on the launch pad due to strong winds. “Today at Baikonur, the Soyuz-FG launch vehicle with the Soyuz-TMA-20M manned spacecraft was transported to the launch pad. Due to weather conditions (wind speed over 15 m / s), the verticalization of the launch vehicle was postponed.

                Right. Because the wind began at the time of preparation for the launch. And in this Dragon launch, the weather worsened on launch day. Is that clear, I hope?

                This is just kapets. How difficult it is with you. lol
                In the case of the Union, we have the rocket in an upright position. It is just a mounting operation. They lift a "hefty gizmo", even tower cranes have limitations during operation, up to 20 m / s (this is considered a storm), at a temperature of -15 to -25 ° C - 15 m / s (pre-storm weather). Do you understand? Pre-storm weather, carrying out work was simply dangerous. The missile was installed and that’s it. Flew at the exact appointed time, and so it happens almost always.
                It has nothing to do with reliability and the ability to launch a rocket under weather conditions.

                In the USA, everything looks a little different.

                But to get started, the weather must be ideal not only on the launch pad, but also in dozens of emergency landing sites, stretching thousands of miles up the east coast of the United States and across the Atlantic Ocean to the west coast of Ireland, The Guardian continues. NASA and SpaceX have identified more than 50 locations along the entire flight path of the rocket during its twelve-minute ascent into orbit, which may be required in case of emergency.

                https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4358320

                It was necessary to take into account not only the weather in the area of ​​the Kennedy Space Center, but also along the rocket’s path into Earth orbit, including over the Atlantic Ocean. This is also important because if the launch is interrupted due to an accident, the rescue capsule with astronauts will have to be splashed in the ocean, in a vast area from the east coast of the United States to the British Isles.

                https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-52823710

                Do you understand? They are waiting PERFECT weather is everywhere. Everything is not limited to one wind. By the way, yesterday in Florida the wind was only 3 m / s.

                During the flight, variables such as wind direction, humidity, temperature, cloud cover, precipitation, etc. are taken into account. Also, launch permit criteria must take into account the safety requirements that protect people on land, at sea and in the air, advanced by the 45th space wing - this also includes the weather requirements for the rocket itself, put forward by the company owning and managing its launch.

                Among some weather criteria for starting there is the maximum proximity of rain to the launch pad, wind speed and direction, the maximum allowable wind shear, and others.

                These two criteria for launching a rocket taught the U.S. the fiercest lesson about space flights on January 28, 1986, when the Challenger shuttle was launched at a near-zero temperature, which is 20 ° C colder than the minimum allowable temperature for launching the space shuttle MTKK Space Shuttle.

                Do you understand how “gentle” technique is? Just at startup, the temperature was not + 20C, but zero degrees. And that’s all.

                Once again, I will quote from the article. And again, highlight in bold. If the weather situation does not improve tomorrow, then it may be necessary to transfer the start date to the reserve day

                As you can see, there was no need, consider in advance the possibility of postponing the start in pre-storm weather and board the ships, and wait to fly - we will not fly, these are two different things. They board a rocket and do not know if they will fly, they will not fly 50/50.

                And I already answered you three times - the ability to put more cargo into orbit.

                Do not leave the topic, we are talking about reliability and manned launches.

                When a manned launch into space is not "naked" people - along with them a lot of equipment is launched into space. And the more the rocket has the ability to put into orbit, the better. Including in manned launches.

                Yes, in manned launches, crew safety is more important. Therefore, the Americans and reinsure themselves, canceling launches in bad weather, which does not happen very often. But they ALWAYS have an advantage in the payload due to the fact that the spaceport is located at the equator.

                Are you generally adequate? Is this the fifth repetition of the same thing? How much can you repeat?

                They got the best economic efficiency, but lost in reliability and the ability to carry out regular launches exactly on schedule from them is impossible.

                "Lost in reliability and the ability to carry out regular launches exactly on schedule" and "reinsured, canceling launches in bad weather" are just different words for explaining the same thing.
                Blind love for "American geniuses" does not allow you to reason objectively.
                You just stubbornly fight for more applicable formulations.
                They cannot provide regular manned launches on schedule, the technique is "capricious" and critically dependent on weather conditions, and this is a fact. And everything else, it's just your desire to somehow whitewash their miscalculations.
                You can not answer, there is no point in arguing with fanatics. You can continue to pray for the bust of the Mask, do not hurt your forehead. hi
                1. shadow Offline shadow
                  shadow 29 May 2020 22: 49
                  +2
                  Of course, it’s difficult with him. Although not difficult. He simply is not able to comprehend criticism and other opinions. There, a cyclone sailed, which supposedly prevented the launch of an American rocket on May 27, although officially there is no cyclone. Officially, just weather conditions. There is no talk of any cyclone.
                  In general, I threw the article into the yellow press and then, first I started shouting that this was the source, and then I began to blame me that I had thrown this link first.
                  And if he doesn’t like something and he can’t prove anything, everything around him becomes logs, pinocchio and inadequate.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 29 May 2020 22: 57
                    +3
                    The guy is stubborn and looks at the Americans with love eyes. Such, unfortunately, is becoming more and more. Years of propaganda did not pass in vain. Young people are sure that the Americans are “the most presumptuous,” they have grown up with this. Facts that do not fit into this picture cause rejection. Hence the debate, often just clinging to the wording. Instead of "the citizen has gotten his head", they suggest saying "their excellency deigned to fertilize the land." hi
                    1. shadow Offline shadow
                      shadow 29 May 2020 23: 21
                      +4
                      Mukhin also said that NASA has a small detective who monitors social networks and the Internet and tries to prove that the Americans were on the moon. Note, not NASA, but ordinary users. They, of course, are prepared, but as you begin to squeeze, so they merge. This is what Mukhin said. Doesn't it remind anyone?
                    2. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 29 May 2020 23: 24
                      +1
                      Unfortunately, I don’t remember who Mukhin is, but that work is being done in this direction, in the sense of creating a “radiant image” - I have no doubt.
                    3. shadow Offline shadow
                      shadow 29 May 2020 23: 28
                      +1
            2. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 15: 54
              -1
              It is wrong. The launch was carried out at the appointed time. He was held exactly at the appointed time. The astronauts did not sit in the ship, waiting for the weather.

              Of course, we spent exactly at the appointed time, because the wind decreased and allowed us to perform verticalization (and then launch) on time. Is this your third time repeating a quote where it is written in black and white that otherwise you would have had to postpone the launch?

              Do not take an example from the Shadow, think with your head, and not the opposite place on the body.

              The rocket is mounted on the holder during verticalization, which increases its rigidity. There is no such additional rigidity during the launch; nothing is holding the rocket in flight. The rigidity of its design falls. And if during verticalization the wind can damage it, then at startup - and even more so.

              Do not leave the topic, we are talking about reliability and manned launches.

              And in manned launches, the astronauts are sitting in a spaceship. If anything.

              Are you generally adequate?

              Absolutely.

              Is this the fifth repetition of the same thing? How much can you repeat?

              And I don’t know what you are stupid.

              "Lost in reliability and the ability to carry out regular launches exactly on schedule" and "reinsured, canceling launches in bad weather" are just different words for explaining the same thing.

              I answered you the question, "who prevented them from building a spaceport not on the coast."

              ... the technique is "capricious" and critically dependent on weather conditions and this is a fact.

              It is capricious to the same extent as the Russian one - the transfers of launches of the Soyuz from the Kuru confirm.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 30 May 2020 16: 28
                +1
                Of course, we spent exactly at the appointed time, because the wind decreased and allowed us to perform verticalization (and then launch) on time. Is this your third time repeating a quote where it is written in black and white that otherwise you would have had to postpone the launch?

                Do you think that if the rocket is not installed, then the launch can not be postponed?
                I repeat for the sixth time. Bringing the rocket into an upright position is installation work, there are certain limitations. Remember, I wrote to you about tower cranes, the weather was pre-storm, the wind was 15 m / s.

                Flight preparation is complete and what do we have?
                The dragon could not take off with a wind of 3 m / s, the Union takes off even under the worst conditions. I don’t remember the cancellation due to weather conditions. Fly in any weather.



                It is capricious to the same extent as the Russian one - the transfers of launches of the Soyuz from the Kuru confirm.

                I did not find a single message about the transfer of launches of the Unions from the Kourou space center to weather conditions. All transfers for technical reasons.

                21 2011 October, the

                The first start in history Russian Soyuz-ST launch vehicle outside Eurasia, deferred for a day for technical reasonsstill took place. Friday, October 21

                https://www.comnews.ru/content/55114/2011-10-24/soyuz-st-vse-zhe-vzletel

                February 6, 2019 for technical reasons (booster block)

                https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2019/02/06_a_12167653.shtml

                On September 7, 2019, the launch was postponed to December, the reason is not reported, I doubt that it was postponed for 3 months due to wind.

                https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4086721

                17 декабря 219 года

                Arianespace CEO Stefan Israel confirmed on Twitter that the mission will not take place on Tuesday. "Because of the" red "(warning triggering - approx. TASS) before the start of the automatic preparation procedure for the launch of the Union systems

                https://tass.ru/kosmos/7361033

                March 5, 2020 for technical reasons (upper stage)

                https://www.aex.ru/news/2020/3/5/209504/
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 16: 56
                  -1
                  Bringing the rocket into an upright position is installation work, there There are certain limitations. Remember, I wrote to you about tower cranes, the weather was pre-storm, the wind was 15 m / s.

                  And exactly the same limitations are there at startup. Both Russian and American missiles. The only difference is that storms are very rare on Baikonur and they are quite easy to predict, unlike coastal spaceports.

                  The dragon could not take off with a wind of 3 m / s, the Union takes off even under the worst conditions.

                  And do you have wind loads on the rocket only at the start?) I will tell you a secret - they operate throughout the entire flight of the rocket in dense layers of the atmosphere. And the Dragon was canceled not because of the wind at the launch site, but because its flight path passed through the cyclone. Here is a weather map shortly before launch.

                  https://vnews.agency/uploads/posts/2020-05/1590617540114069246.jpg

                  The cyclone was not above the launch site, but northeast, and it is the northeast that flies the rocket.

                  I did not find a single message about the transfer of launches of the Unions from the Kourou space center to weather conditions. All transfers for technical reasons.

                  So, poorly searched.

                  https://www.newsru.com/world/25apr2016/kourou.html

                  The launch of the Russian Soyuz-ST launch vehicle with the European scientific apparatus Sentinel-1B from the French Kourou space center in Guiana, three times transferred earlier, including due to weather conditions, canceled again - this time for technical reasons, reports the European Space Agency (ESA).

                  https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/571bf1c59a7947240d9f046a

                  The launch of the Russian Soyuz-ST-A launch vehicle with the Sentinel-1B remote sensing spacecraft from the Kourou Cosmodrome (French Guinea) was postponed for another day due to bad weather. This is reported by the state corporation Roscosmos on its Facebook page.

                  https://www.newsru.com/world/25jun2013/kuru.html

                  The rocket launch was supposed to take place the day before, but he was postponed for a day due to adverse weather conditions. Today, the launch also nearly endangered all the same bad weather forced the experts to postpone the launch for half an hour, there was a likelihood of the operation being postponed for another day.
                2. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 30 May 2020 17: 40
                  +1
                  And exactly the same limitations are there at startup. Both Russian and American missiles. The only difference is that storms are very rare on Baikonur and they are quite easy to predict, unlike coastal spaceports.

                  The difference is that the Union is a reliable rocket, unlike the Americans, it flies in any weather, while the Americans dry the oars on the shore, waiting for the sun to look out.

                  And do you have wind loads on the rocket only at the start?) I will tell you a secret - they operate throughout the entire flight of the rocket in dense layers of the atmosphere. And the Dragon was canceled not because of the wind at the launch site, but because its flight path passed through the cyclone. Here is a weather map shortly before launch.

                  And who is to blame for them that they built a spaceport in such a place? It could well transfer construction to the same latitude inland. Again, the Union flies and the Kourou space center without discounts on weather. Maybe something was, for example, due to some kind of hurricane, but this is not an indicator. The Union’s dependence on weather conditions is an order of magnitude smaller than that of everything that Americans fly, and this is a fact.

                  So, poorly searched.

                  https://www.newsru.com/world/25apr2016/kourou.html

                  I looked. yes

                  The launch of the Russian Soyuz-ST launch vehicle with the European scientific apparatus Sentinel-1B from the French Kourou space center in Guiana, which was postponed three times earlier, including due to weather conditions, was again canceled - this time for technical reasons, reports the European Space Agency (ESA).

                  publication time: April 25, 2016

                  This is not reliable information. Maybe you should not retell fiction from any garbage can?

                  April 25, 2016 the successful launch of Soyuz ST-A (VS14)

                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7

                  On April 26, 2016 at 00 02 Moscow time, the Soyuz-ST-A launch vehicle developed and manufactured by Progress RSC JSC with the Sentinel-1b, MICROSCOPE and the three Cubesat "FYS" satellites.

                  Information from the site samspace.ru (long link).
                3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 18: 10
                  -2
                  The difference is that the Union is a reliable rocket, unlike the Americans, flies in any weather, while the Americans dry the oars on the shore, waiting for the sun to peep out.

                  I brought you a case with the American Saturn below. double hit lightning bolts. laughing

                  And who is to blame for them that they built a spaceport in such a place? It could well transfer the construction at the same latitude inland.

                  At the same latitude, they have no territories deep in the mainland, well, look at the map, is it difficult, or what?

                  Maybe something was, for example due to some hurricanebut this is not an indicator.

                  laughing

                  This is not reliable information. Maybe you should not retell fiction from any garbage can?

                  I quote your last quote:

                  26 April 2016, at 00 hours 02 minutes Moscow time, the Soyuz-ST-A launch vehicle developed and produced by Progress RSC JSC with Sentinel-1b, MICROSCOPE and three satellites spacecraft was launched from the Guiana Space Center Cubesat "FYS".

                  laughing Here is the same launch information from other sources:

                  https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/571e8a719a7947cd3870d3ba?ref=tjournal.ru

                  RBC. Quote:

                  The launch was carried out at 0:02 Moscow time on Tuesday, 26 April.

                  The launch of the Soyuz-ST-A missile was postponed more than once. Initially, the launch was supposed to take place on April 12, but it was postponed to April 23. On that day, it was postponed for a day due to bad weather conditions, then for the same reason it was postponed on April 24.. Later, the launch was delayed, because during the countdown a certain "anomaly" was noticed.

                  On April 25, Wikipedia indicated with an error or with the expectation not of Moscow time, but of Guiana time.
                4. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 1 June 2020 09: 37
                  +2
                  I gave you a case there below with the American Saturn with a double lightning strike.

                  These were still “old-school” rockets, not a match for the current squelch. laughing

                  At the same latitude, they have no territories deep in the mainland, well, look at the map, is it difficult, or what?

                  The difference with southern Texas in latitude is only 1 degree. They could have located it to the north. Each of the spaceport location options has its own advantages and disadvantages. The Americans chose the economy due to their closer proximity to the equator, but at the same time lost the ability to launch at the appointed time due to weather conditions. It’s not so stupid to pretend.

                  On April 25, Wikipedia indicated with an error or with the expectation not of Moscow time, but of Guiana time.

                  It's just the difference in time zones, they launched the 25th, in Moscow it was already the 26th.
                  As for the transfer of the launch due to the weather, this is a bit more complicated. Newspapers report this after the launch, I did not find a single message about the postponement of the launch. And there were several messages - Europeans report a countdown before launch due to a technical malfunction, something like this:

                  The European Space Agency did not disclose the exact cause of the incident, but limited itself to the following message: "Due to the anomaly recorded during the countdown when the Soyuz-STA rocket launched with the Sentinel-1B satellite, the countdown was stopped.

                  Therefore, it is difficult to determine exactly when and for what reason the launch was postponed, as well as to see what happened to the weather then. Maybe a hurricane or a typhoon was raging. Be that as it may, there are significantly fewer delays in weather conditions than for Americans.
                5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 11: 21
                  -1
                  These were still “old-school” rockets, not a match for the current squelch

                  laughing laughing Yeah, and brought them up (rockets) on Christian values)) Well, excuses)

                  The difference with southern Texas in latitude is only 1 degree

                  Southern Texas is also a coastal zone.

                  The Americans chose the economy because of their closer proximity to the equator, but at the same time they lost the ability to launch at the appointed time due to weather conditions. To pretend that this is not so is stupid.

                  So I do not argue with this))

                  Newspapers report this after the launch, I did not find a single message about the postponement of the launch.

                  But they report the same. Why would they lie?

                  Maybe a hurricane or a typhoon was raging. Be that as it may, there are significantly fewer delays in weather conditions than for Americans.

                  Like launches (in the same weather conditions).
                6. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 1 June 2020 13: 04
                  +1
                  Yeah, and brought them up (rockets) on Christian values)) Well, excuses)

                  And where does it? Old American missiles were made, like ours, on the basis of military missiles. New fragile creations are being done in a completely different way.

                  Southern Texas is also a coastal zone.

                  Here you are again clinging to all sorts of little things, you can another 2 degrees to the north, the same Texas or Arizona. This does not change the essence of the matter.

                  But they report the same. Why would they lie?

                  But I’m not saying that they lie, it’s just that the information is “muddy”, there’s no point in looking for the truth, the influence on the general statistics is scanty.

                  Like launches (in the same weather conditions).

                  Are you again Honestly, I'm tired of repeating everything several times. They have as many delays in a month as the Unions on Kura in all years.
                7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 13: 17
                  -1
                  Old American missiles were made, like ours, on the basis of military missiles. New fragile creations are being done in a completely different way.

                  "Saturn 5" was never made like a military missile, why are you?)

                  Here you are again clinging to all sorts of little things, you can another 2 degrees to the north, the same Texas or Arizona. This does not change the essence of the matter.

                  Well, to you, as an amateur, at least 10 degrees will not change anything) For specialists, even half a degree is of great importance, because any gain in carrying capacity is important.

                  on the general statistics the effect is scanty.

                  Well, yes, 2 is as much as 4)) Would you teach mathematics (sarcasm)

                  They have as many delays in a month as the Unions on Kura in all years.

                  True, because they perform as many launches in 1 month as the "Soyuz" with Kuru has been launched over all years))

                  How about statistics and math at the university? Chet is not very good, as it seems.
                8. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 1 June 2020 14: 25
                  +1
                  "Saturn 5" was never made like a military missile, why are you?)

                  And I did not say that Saturn 5 was a military missile. I said that it was made using the same technology as the military. Then all the missiles were made using the same technology. The other simply did not exist.

                  Saturn 5 is the final version of the three-stage carrier for the lunar expedition, replacing the five-stage Saturn S-3.

                  http://militera.lib.ru/explo/chertok_be/21.html

                  Back in April 1960, management approved a three-stage program to create a powerful Saturn launch vehicle. The first in this series was to be a two-stage rocket “Saturn S-1”; They planned to launch it in 1961. The second is the three-stage Saturn S-2 rocket, launched in 1963. The third is a promising five-stage Saturn S-3 rocket. For all three options, a single first stage was designed with R-1 engines using oxygen-kerosene fuel. For the second and third steps, Rocketdyne Div. was supposed to develop oxygen-hydrogen engines “J-2”. For the fourth and fifth stages, Pratt & Whitney ordered the LR-115 or RL-10 engines.

                  https://document.wikireading.ru/15125

                  Well, to you, as an amateur, at least 10 degrees will not change anything) For specialists, even half a degree is of great importance, because any gain in carrying capacity is important.

                  I'm starting to get used to your inhibition. laughing Repeat? There are two options for placing a spaceport, in the depths of the continent, where the weather has less influence on launches and on the ocean, where launches are more profitable, but more dependent on the weather. The Americans chose the second option. What this has to do with the reliability of missiles, I don’t understand, because we already calculated that the Americans have as many delays per month as the Unions have for all the time.
                  Do not be clever about the value of degrees, it does not suit you.

                  Well, yes, 2 is as much as 4)) Would you teach mathematics (sarcasm)

                  What does your sarcasm have to do with it? We have long considered everything. This does not change the picture.

                  True, because they perform as many launches in 1 month as the "Soyuz" with Kuru has been launched over all years))

                  Really? belay Can you list all 23 US launches for May 2020? lol

                  How about statistics and math at the university? Chet is not very good, as it seems.

                  Apparently better than yours at the parish school.
                9. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 14: 36
                  -1
                  And I did not say that Saturn 5 was a military missile. I said that it was made using the same technology as the military. Then all the missiles were made using the same technology. The other simply did not exist.

                  They are now being made using the same technologies))

                  http://militera.lib.ru/explo/chertok_be/21.html

                  This link does not say that Saturn 5 was military))

                  The Americans chose the second option. What this has to do with the reliability of missiles is not clear to me.

                  Well, finally it starts to reach you)) That the number of transfers due to weather is not affected by the reliability of the rocket, but by the place it was launched))

                  because we already calculated that the Americans have as many monthly delays as the Unions have for all the time.

                  Where did you find this?))

                  Truth? belay Can you list all 23 US launches for May 2020?

                  Guilty, in a hurry, wrong. But if we are talking about May 2020, then this month the Unions with the Kuru did not start AT ALL)) Comparing with zero is fun))

                  To calculate the statistics of carry-over due to the weather of both missiles, simply compare the ratio of the number of transferred launches to the total number of launches. For Unions, this percentage is over 21 (at least). I admit, I didn’t count with the Falcons - nevertheless, it is difficult to analyze each of the 83 launches.

                  Apparently better than yours at the parish school

                  No, still worse))
    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 18: 31
      0
      The Union’s dependence on weather conditions is an order of magnitude smaller than that of everything that Americans fly, and this is a fact.

      No, the fact is that there are fewer storm winds on Baikonur than on the coast of Florida.

      You compare rockets launched from launch sites in different climatic conditions. At the same time, for the correct comparison it is necessary to compare launches in the same climatic conditions. And for this, the statistics of the launches of the Unions from the Kourou spaceport are suitable.

      Out of 23 launches, at least 2 were postponed due to weather. Moreover, one launch was postponed due to the weather already twice in a row.
    4. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 June 2020 10: 40
      +1
      No, the fact is that there are fewer storm winds on Baikonur than on the coast of Florida.

      You compare rockets launched from launch sites in different climatic conditions. At the same time, for the correct comparison it is necessary to compare launches in the same climatic conditions. And for this, the statistics of the launches of the Unions from the Kourou spaceport are suitable.

      I compare launches from spaceports, for which the rockets were designed.
      The fact is that even in similar climatic conditions, Russian missiles are more reliable. Americans have canceled launches much more often than unions from the Kourou spaceport.

      Out of 23 launches, at least 2 were postponed due to weather. Moreover, one launch was postponed due to the weather already twice in a row.

      Due to bad weather, the American company United Launch Alliance postponed the launch of the Atlas 5 heavy launch vehicle with the American military X-37B spacecraft for a day until 16:14 Moscow time on May 17.

      Two transfer launches per month, maybe there were more, I was not looking for. Two and in just a month.

      Repeated launch transfers are also not uncommon.

      SpaceX’s Falcon 9 heavy launch vehicle with 60 Starlink satellites will be launched from the launch site at Cape Canaveral, Florida, despite the US coronavirus pandemic.
      The launch has already been postponed twice. (May 2, 2020)

      What you have found in the Unions in the history of launches, the Americans have done in a month. laughing
      Do you think the statistics are in favor of the USA? winked
    5. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 11: 11
      -1
      Americans have canceled launches much more often than unions from the Kourou spaceport.

      And they are launched much more often from the tropics than the Unions) Naturally, they will be transferred more often)

      Two transfer launches per month, maybe there were more, I was not looking for. Two
      and in just a month.

      There were at least four, besides one - double)

      What you have found in the Unions in the history of launches, the Americans have done in a month. laughing
      Do you think the statistics are in favor of the USA?

      See paragraph 1))
    6. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 June 2020 12: 56
      0
      And they are launched much more often from the tropics than the Unions) Naturally, they will be transferred more often)

      You launched the unions themselves 23 counted. You want to say, over the past month, the Americans launched more? Do not shirk like this, do not disgrace. no Your idols are not worth it. request
    7. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 13: 08
      -1
      You launched the unions themselves 23 counted.

      Yeah, 23 launches. Since 2011)) How many Falcon launches have been held since 2011? 80 plus.

      It’s worth it to shirk so do not disgrace

      No evasion, pure logic.
    8. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 June 2020 13: 45
      0
      Yeah, 23 launches. Since 2011)) How many Falcon launches have been held since 2011? 80 plus.

      So consider how many delays they had, if you like. The Unions have 3. In the month of May, I counted the same number of them among the Americans. Do you want to say that since 2011 there have been none?

      No evasion, pure logic.

      What is the logic here? belay Are you out there under the drugs by accident?
    9. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 14: 05
      -1
      Unions have 3.

      Four, moreover, one of them is double.

      In May, I counted the same number of them among Americans.

      In a good way, you need to calculate in percentage terms. The percentage of launches with weather carry over the total number of launches.

      The Union, this percentage is at least 21. For the Falcons did not count yet - for a long time, I have a parallel job.
    10. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 June 2020 14: 33
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      Four, moreover, one of them is double.

      So I also showed you 4 American, there is also a double.

      In a good way, you need to calculate in percentage terms. The percentage of launches with weather carry over the total number of launches.
      The Union, this percentage is at least 21. For the Falcons did not count yet - for a long time, I have a parallel job.

      If you want, you can count after work. smile If there is enough time for correspondence, apparently, the work is not dusty, you will return not tired.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 18: 44
    0
    https://ria.ru/20180705/1524002630.html - о, а вот еще один перенос запуска на Куру из-за погодных условий в 2018 году.

    In total, out of 23 launches, at least 3 were rescheduled due to weather:

    in 2013 - one transfer;

    in 2016 - double transfer;

    in 2018 - one transfer.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 19: 10
    0
    And here's another great thing:

    https://1tv-ru.turbopages.org/s/1tv.ru/news/2011-10-02/114216-zapusk_rakety_soyuz_otmenen_iz_za_meteousloviy

    Launch of the Soyuz rocket, which was supposed to deliver the GLONASS navigation satellite into orbit, was canceled tonight at the Plesetsk cosmodrome. The reason is weather conditions. On high probes recorded gusty windwith sharp amplifications up to 50 meters per second. Computer simulation confirmed the danger of starting.

    How so, how so? But the weather doesn’t care for the union
    laughing laughing
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 1 June 2020 10: 42
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    How so, how so? But the weather doesn’t care for the union

    The exception that confirms the rule. yes Wind up to 50 meters per second - this is not a joke.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 11: 08
    -1
    Voooot, already went "exception"))
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 1 June 2020 12: 51
    +1
    Voooot, already went "exception"))

    What does it mean here? We talked about manned launches in general, and I tell you that even freight from any spaceport is much more reliable. Wind greater than 32,6 m / s on the Beaufort scale is called a hurricane.
    The transfer of launch due to the raging hurricane is the exception. It looks something like this.

  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 13: 10
    -1
    We talked about manned launches in general, and I tell you that even freight from any spaceport is much more reliable.

    As we see in the example of Kourou - not more reliable))
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 1 June 2020 13: 47
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    As we see in the example of Kourou - not more reliable))

    As we see in the example of the Kuru, it is more reliable. See statistics.
    Please do not write such nonsense, I can just say that I think about your mental abilities.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 14: 00
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    As we see in the example of the Kuru, it is more reliable. See statistics.
    Please do not write such nonsense, I can just say that I think about your mental abilities.

    Ok, look at the statistics))

    Union. 23 launches from the coast, at least 4 transfers due to weather, one of them being double. 21,74%.

    I won’t count on Falcon now - it takes time, but I’m working in parallel. You can take any year with the same number of launches (it seems that in 2018 and 2019 SpaceX launched more than 20 missiles) and see how many transfers were due to weather.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 1 June 2020 14: 29
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    Ok, look at the statistics))

    Union. 23 launches from the coast, at least 4 transfers due to weather, one of them being double. 21,74%.

    I won’t count on Falcon now - it takes time, but I’m working in parallel. You can take any year with the same number of launches (it seems that in 2018 and 2019 SpaceX launched more than 20 missiles) and see how many transfers were due to weather.

    What for? I took 1 month and this is 4 transfers. This is a common occurrence for them. What is the point of further reading?
    By the way, where did the fourth transfer from the Unions come from? Like talking about three?
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 1 June 2020 14: 48
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    What for? I took 1 month and this is 4 transfers.

    You have an amusing (sarcasm) statistics technique)) Statistics, in fact, are kept in percentage terms and under the same conditions. If you took 1 month, then you need to apply it to both American and Russian missiles then. How many Soyuz missiles from the Kuru are launched there in a month?

    With your statistics technique, this may turn out to be a funny situation. Suppose (for example, why your logic is vicious), there would be only 1 launch from the Union with Kuru and it would be moved due to weather, it would be only 1 transfer. At the same time (again, let’s say), the Americans would have completed 10 launches, 3 of which were carried forward. In absolute numbers, it turns out that the Unions really have fewer transfers than the Americans (1 vs. 3), but only for the Union this number means that all 100% of its launches from the Kuru were postponed due to weather, and for American missiles - that only 30% of launches.

    That is why it is necessary to compare not absolute numbers, but relative ones. The reliability of missiles is also calculated using the same logic - not by the absolute number of accidents, but by their percentage with the total number of launches.

    By the way, where did the fourth transfer from the Unions come from? Like talking about three?

    Four. There, in 2018, one transfer was due to the weather. I threw the link to it.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 17: 32
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    And here’s what I managed to dig up about lightning striking rockets:

    This is another example of a rule that comes from real experience. During the Apollo 12 mission to the Saturn 5 rocket, which included Pete Conrad, Richard Gordon and Alan Bean, lightning struck twice in the first minute of flight.

    A lightning strike resulted in the failure of several mission critical systems, including the fuel cells of the command and service module and all navigation displays. The control center began to receive distorted telemetry and messages from the rocket and the team.

    Fortunately, lightning strikes did not work on the Saturn 5 flight computer isolated from the Apollo spacecraft, and it continued to function as if nothing had happened.

    The mission was saved by one person from the flight control center, who recalled that more than a year ago, one team asked for help to figure out where the strange data they received came from. In the end, he tracked them to the source, “Signal Conditioning Equipment (SCE),” located in the command and service module.

    In order for the equipment to resume operation, in the Apollo-12 capsule it was necessary to press the special SCE button. Neither the flight director nor the mission commander knew about this button, but Al Bin remembered it in connection with a completely different training simulation.

    Having restored telemetry and transmission of information, the mission entered orbit, conducted a full check of all systems, and as a result successfully landed on the moon, and then returned home.

    As you can see, the lightning hit the Saturn too, and 2 times - and nothing, the rocket successfully continued its flight.

    Such are the "fragile" American missiles.
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 29 May 2020 14: 26
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    Sudden cancellations of starts due to weather conditions can occur when it comes to unmanned missions. But the recent transfer of the Crew Dragon flight to the ISS looks extremely undesirable, since the crew went through all the stages of preparation, and the start was canceled in the last minutes, the expert emphasized.

    Cancellations of starts can also take place to attract the attention of the public. Raise the buzz around an ordinary event. If in one word - Advertising.

    PS The US urgently needs to raise its image.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2020 18: 31
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    By the way, it would not hurt expert Pavel Pushkin to analyze the transfers of launches of Russian Soyuz rockets at the French Kourou space center.
    1. Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
      Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 30 May 2020 19: 22
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      Don’t get smart, they used Kura to earn money and there was no targeted use for the country. The main forces were in Russia.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 30 May 2020 19: 23
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        Come on, come up with another excuse, this somehow does not channel.
  • Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 30 May 2020 18: 59
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    Right now there is a confrontation between the two space countries for the further development of space technologies. The United States worked on foreign developments and with specialists bribed in other countries. Russia developed its space technology based on its basic scientific achievements. Therefore, such a confrontation will be short-lived and the victory will be for Russia.
  • Dear sofa expert. 30 May 2020 21: 46
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    Who knows what ... the Americans blew up at the start today? Some kind of "Starship" ..