In the US, on the new landing ship of the Russian Navy: If you can’t buy, then you need to steal


The Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the construction of two universal landing ships (UDC) with the Zaliv enterprise from Kerch. The amount of the contract is about 1,4 billion dollars. Experts of the American Forbes publication draw attention to the similarity of the new ships of the Russian Navy with the French Mistrals.


If it’s impossible to buy, then you need to steal. The Russians chose this approach to get helicopter carriers six years after Paris refused to sell the Mistrals

- note in Forbes.

Both new Russian ships are very similar to the French UDC in appearance. The displacement of ships is also similar - 20 thousand tons. Military vessels will be able to take on board 900 paratroopers, as well as landing boats and up to 20 helicopters.

In the US, on the new landing ship of the Russian Navy: If you can’t buy, then you need to steal

In the construction of new ships, the Russians will benefit from the experience that they have gained under the contract for the acquisition of Mistral. However, according to Forbes, if the Russian Federation is going to copy the French UDC, this does not mean that it will succeed - the Russian shipbuilding industry has been stubbornly trying to build some kind of ship more than a frigate in the last few years.

On our own, we note that the construction of the UDC in Russia is in no way connected with the “theft of the French of technologies"In which the American media are trying to blame Moscow. Firstly, the aft parts of both Mistrals were manufactured at the Baltic Shipyard (St. Petersburg), which implied the presence of French drawings and technologies in Russian shipbuilders. Secondly, the break of the contract by Paris in 2014, in addition to the refund of the funds paid, as well as the fine, implied the transfer of incomplete technical documentation to the Mistral UDC.
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  1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 29 May 2020 10: 10
    -5
    Secondly, the break of the contract by Paris in 2014, in addition to the refund of the funds paid, as well as the fine, meant the transfer of incomplete technical documentation to the Mistral UDC.

    - The fact that the "termination of the contract" ... "implied the transfer of incomplete technical documentation to the UDC" does not mean at all that this transfer took place ... - Here and with the "return of funds paid, as well as a fine" ... - absolutely nothing is clear .... - some kind of continuous indistinct muttering; and even with the documentation ... - and even more ...
    1. sgrabik Online sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 29 May 2020 11: 09
      +5
      All this was spelled out in the terms of the contract - the contract for the construction and transfer of the Mistral UDC to our Navy. And since the contract was signed by both parties and on our part is fully paid, then your arguments have no logic. Why, in your opinion, a signed and fully ratified treaty does not oblige anyone to anything? All possible risks are clearly specified there, so what you write here is fiction, and nothing more.
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 29 May 2020 12: 05
        -5
        - You, before putting the cons ...- first understand the essence of what I personally try to convey to the venerable public ...
        - Namely ... - until now nothing is known specifically about the amount that France paid ... under the terms of the contract (or rather, under the terms of non-performance of the contract) ... - The terms of the contract are one; and how much France paid ... is completely different ...
        - Here you are personally ...- you can find out and name the amount that France returned (did not return) to Russia; due to the fact that it broke the contract with Russia ??? - Can you name ??? - Well, name it ...
        - And then begin to "teach" me here ... here ... here ... here - "mind-to-mind" ...
        - What a habit everyone here took ... themselves - "no boom-boom" ...- and there ... - refute ...
        - Put it simply ...- silently cons ...
        1. Jamal Mustafayev (Jamal Mustafayev) 29 May 2020 17: 01
          +6
          As it is not known, if Russia received compensation from France in the amount of 1,2 billion euros - I myself personally heard Shoigu's answer to a question from journalists. Where does your opinion come from? From unfounded statements. I looked on the Internet all about the Mistrals, their characteristics and internal compartments with all the weapons and marines that can fit in the nomenclature. Russia has created a completely different helicopter carrier, even the appearance is different - nose, sides and rear. And the internal compartments are made differently. And also our Helicopter carriers are able to operate even in the Arctic, which was not on the Mistrals. The purchase of the Mistrals was not a mistake. Russian scientists have learned the secrets of a unified information management of the Mistrals with other types of troops, as well as some technologies of interest to ours. Based on this, conclusions were drawn and changes were made to our helicopter carriers, taking into account the advantages and disadvantages of the Mistrals. This means that our Helicopter carriers will be an order of magnitude more perfect, which means they will be better than the Mistrals. And the cherry on the cake will be on the Russian helicopter carriers - their own powerful electronic warfare analogue "Krasukha-4", as well as up to ten anti-ship Kh-59MK2 (the sea version is an analogue of small zircon with a range of up to 300 km). Carrier. Helicopters Ka-52M sea version and a complex with torpedoes - this is without taking into account its own air defense. Redoubt with a range of up to 150 km and an analogue of Pantsir S1M1 up to 40 km and many other offensive and defensive weapons, which cannot be said about the Mistral helicopter carriers and all other Western analogues. If, and there are small air defense systems and there is no electronic warfare there.
          1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
            gorenina91 (Irina) 29 May 2020 17: 26
            -7
            - What personally can I answer you if personally I write about what, what, what ...:

            The hull of the Black Eagle tank is based on a platform with seven rollers ... - The hull of the Armata tank (T-14) is also based on a platform with seven rollers ...

            - And for me personally they put a bunch of minuses ... What are they already here ... here ... here ... - helicopter carriers ...
            You wrote a lot, and even about the fact that:

            our Helicopter carriers are able to operate even in the Arctic, which was not on the Mistrals

            - Well, what's the Arctic? Think for yourself ...
            - And about the return of Russia to "1,2 billion" ... - this is for the general public ...
            - In general, the topic about our Helicopter carriers and about the Mistrals ... is very large and interesting ... - And this topic is not finished ... - it will continue for a very long time ...
            - But this is hardly a topic for "Reporter" ...
            - Actually ... after the "Black Eagle" and "Armata" (how many rinks they have) ... - I will tell you honestly ...- I have less and less desire to discuss something more or less thoroughly and seriously .. .
            1. Evgeny Popov Offline Evgeny Popov
              Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) 29 May 2020 21: 04
              +1
              Stunned. Your seven rinks are from the category that someone made a car on round wheels. This is not a technology that is unique and the presence of which speaks of copying. Therefore, catch the cons.
              Why do not you believe in the return of compensation under the contract? What are your words based on? On guesses? Ok - catch the minus. Guess more.
              Mafrals were not needed; We didn’t take into account all our latitudes. Why are you again, not knowing anything in fact, refuse this project to be adapted to our conditions? It’s a pity you can’t put another minus.
              Perhaps you really should not discuss anything here. Write to the sport lotto ...
              1. Winnie Offline Winnie
                Winnie (Winnie) 30 May 2020 02: 23
                -2
                Why do not you believe in the return of compensation under the contract? What are your words based on?

                According to the plan, the returned money should have been enough for overhaul all ships of the 1st rank! None of this has been done. Eagles are disassembled. Where's the money???
        2. solo2791 Offline solo2791
          solo2791 (Sergey Solovyov) 30 May 2020 11: 39
          +1
          What kind of liberal fashion is counting other people's money?

          ... until now, nothing specifically is known about the amount paid by France.

          But this is just not known to you. This does not mean that this amount is unknown to anyone. And you draw conclusions on fragmented knowledge.
    2. polev66 Offline polev66
      polev66 (Alexander) 29 May 2020 18: 35
      +2
      State your thoughts more clearly. And then she instructed the dots, and thinks that meaningfully ...
    3. sasha197220 Offline sasha197220
      sasha197220 (sasha shevtchenko) 29 May 2020 18: 45
      -3
      You are absolutely right. I think Russia was completely driven! Putin tried so hard not to offend the French, who simply spat in the face of the country in which he was president that everything could be! Moreover, it is precisely known that Putin forgave a fine of 200 million! 200 million there, 200 here, what to him! I think the technology was so incomplete that there was nothing to talk about!
      1. Evgeny Popov Offline Evgeny Popov
        Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) 29 May 2020 21: 04
        +2
        Did you personally report a fine to you? Hardly.
    4. Kazbek Offline Kazbek
      Kazbek (kazbek) 29 May 2020 22: 56
      +4
      According to the contract, 2 ships were to be built by the French, and 2 ships were to be built at our shipyards. To do this, we were given a set of documentation for the construction of these ships. And it was incomplete because the stern was designed by us, and those ships that were built in France, and those that we had, were designed with our stern.
    5. Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
      Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 29 May 2020 23: 05
      +3
      Well, what do you care about all this? What doesn’t suit you, stranger? We Merikans took a lot of things in the 90s, but we are silent, because this must be proved. And the fact that we ourselves built the buildings, then this can only abandon what we already had.
  2. Dear sofa expert. 29 May 2020 10: 18
    +8
    The United States as a state has existed for only a couple of centuries. That is, the wheel, as I understand it, was not invented by them .. they did not buy the right to use this "technology" .. according to their logic it turns out - they stole it from the world community?)
  3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 May 2020 10: 25
    +6
    The USA can go through the woods further ... Our ships look like the Mistrals no more than the Spanish like Juan Carlos, or the American like America ...
  4. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 29 May 2020 12: 29
    +5
    When I saw an American spacecraft, I was amazed how it looked like a previously launched Soviet spacecraft ... It was not otherwise that the Americans stole the drawings from the USSR.
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2020 13: 05
    -3
    And, again, some garbage over the hill.
    Photos are not from those UDC, left. And the UDC itself is building everything according to one scheme ...
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  7. General Ermolov Offline General Ermolov
    General Ermolov 29 May 2020 18: 15
    +5
    Bullshit .. amers better remember from whose drawings they copied their f-35, stole technical docks on the Yak-141 and ala .. the new American invisible plane and praises of American military science are ready. So it's better for the Yankees to shut up. When you play with cheaters, it’s not up to nobility. We must do it .. and then we will improve it.
  8. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 29 May 2020 20: 23
    +7
    The USA is a country that has been living on the loot and stolen from the time even before its inception and continues to this day. The territories stolen from annihilated peoples, stolen and wrung out inventions, minds, money.
    As the former WB defense minister said: "Shut up and go!"
  9. Astronaut Offline Astronaut
    Astronaut (San Sanych) 29 May 2020 21: 03
    +3
    The Russian shipbuilding industry has been stubbornly trying to build a ship more than a frigate in the last few years.

    But atomic icebreakers do not count?
    1. Winnie Offline Winnie
      Winnie (Winnie) 30 May 2020 02: 33
      -1
      But atomic icebreakers do not count?

      Talk for ships, not ships. There is no ocean navy. That's the problem.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 30 May 2020 23: 45
        0
        For Winnie - Ocean VMs with modern weapons are good targets in the dash!
        1. Winnie Offline Winnie
          Winnie (Winnie) 31 May 2020 06: 42
          -2
          Ocean VMs with modern weapons are good targets in the dash!

          Without cover by the ocean fleet SSBNs in areas of combat duty, they are good targets in the shooting range!
  10. pempus Offline pempus
    pempus (femistoklus paparanek) 29 May 2020 21: 46
    +5
    Let Forbes learn the materiel. In simple things, but they can’t figure it out. A shame...
  11. 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 29 May 2020 23: 09
    +2
    Listening to the discussion of theft from people who have stolen the country in which they live is simply ridiculous.
    First, it was stolen from the Indians, and then they robbed the thieves. Britain was left without a colony.
  12. maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 30 May 2020 12: 17
    +3
    It’s great that there will be our Mistral type helicopter carriers! And about stolen, the first thief on planet earth, this is the USA! And the French are small disgrace! They took the money and did not return the goods, for this they beat the face hard and long!
  13. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 30 May 2020 19: 45
    +1
    Quote: gorenina91
    Secondly, the break of the contract by Paris in 2014, in addition to the refund of the funds paid, as well as the fine, meant the transfer of incomplete technical documentation to the Mistral UDC.

    - The fact that the "termination of the contract" ... "implied the transfer of incomplete technical documentation to the UDC" does not mean at all that this transfer took place ... - Here and with the "return of funds paid, as well as a fine" ... - absolutely nothing is clear .... - some kind of continuous indistinct muttering; and even with the documentation ... - and even more ...

    Yes, it’s not a woman’s business - the documentation for the ship. What is the use of telling how the document E3 differs from E4, E5, letter O, O1, O2 ....
    What is a delivery document. It’s hard to do knitting.
  14. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 30 May 2020 19: 59
    +2
    Quote: maiman61
    It’s great that there will be our Mistral type helicopter carriers! And about stolen, the first thief on planet earth, this is the USA! And the French are small disgrace! They took the money and did not return the goods, for this they beat the face hard and long!

    They gave not only the loot for the contract, but also a fine. We took away our already installed iron. And the Egyptians who bought the Mistral, adapted for our helicopters, were forced to order them from us.
  15. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 30 May 2020 22: 51
    0
    Quote: sasha197220
    You are absolutely right. I think Russia was completely driven! Putin tried so hard not to offend the French, who simply spat in the face of the country in which he was president that everything could be! Moreover, it is precisely known that Putin forgave a fine of 200 million! 200 million there, 200 here, what to him! I think the technology was so incomplete that there was nothing to talk about!

    https://russian7.ru/post/skolko-franciya-zaplatila-rossii-za-o/
  16. Vitaly Shatilov Offline Vitaly Shatilov
    Vitaly Shatilov (Vitaly Shatilov) 30 May 2020 23: 18
    +4
    Experts of the American edition of Forbes are ordinary bullies.
    According to the technical documents handed over to them, Russian shipbuilders built half of the Mistrals in St. Petersburg and after the termination of the contract, Russia received from the French all the technical documentation for these helicopter carriers. The French returned all the money received from Russia and reimbursed all expenses associated with the termination of the contract on the acquisition of Mistral.
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  17. Andrey_Mart Offline Andrey_Mart
    Andrey_Mart ((Owl)) 2 June 2020 11: 57
    +1
    Even if they stole - industrial espionage was, is and will always be, although I am sure that we have enough engineers in Russia ...
    A similarity in the final product, says identical to those. assignment - and all.