The Poles rudely ridiculed the news of the Russian PAK DA bomber

27 May 2020 34

Polish Internet users rudely commented news that Russia began the construction of the first strategic bomber of the next generation PAK DA. This message, published on the portal Defense24.pl, caused a flurry of criticism, ridicule and arrogance from readers of the resource.

Comments are presented selectively.

At the service of this beautiful "cartoon" will arrive tomorrow, well, maybe the day after tomorrow. I think that along with another beautiful "cartoon" [...] Meanwhile, things are like this: Su-57 is a pile of scrap metal with radar visibility worse than that of Saab Gripen E [...] Fans of Moscow storytellers, Mars calls you .. .

- ironic user with the nickname Olo.

They started construction and disappeared ... with money

- “witty” ironizes one mały-pływak.

Can not wait! There will be something like the great creations of Ilyushin, Tupolev or Polikarpov! Something that will cost a lot of money, but in terms of combat value, it will hit the world in the same way as previous cars created by the designers mentioned above! Especially Polikarpov, whose Po-2 at the Museum of Polish Aviation stands next to our PWS-26, and it is clear what a civilizational abyss separates both structures!

- Gives its "expert" evaluation of robo.

It's beautiful news. The more petrodollars, which are less and less, they decide to invest in such useless projects, the better for us. And a real dream would be the announcement of the construction of a new aircraft carrier. The Russians will not gain an advantage over the United States in any of these areas, and their resources and money will not go to the undertakings that could really threaten us, that is, the development of the ground and missile forces

- expresses his position Zdzichu Dyrman.

The Russians are embarking on an arms race that is clearly more serious than their financial and technological capabilities. The huge difference between the prototype and mass production, as well as the actual combat operation of vehicles. They can make a prototype, but a fully operational combat vehicle is beyond their strength. In general, this is good for us: Russia will certainly get a great PR effect, but absolutely no - in terms of combat value

- argues Dalej patrzący.

They will build a prototype worth $ 2 billion, which will simply break or burn in the hangar when welding a leaking fuel tank [...]

- suggests Rhotax.

Very well. They will spend a ton of money on machinerythat no one will buy, but their strategic position will not change. Let's root for the bad decisions of our enemies

- offers easyrider.

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Alexei Ushakov

+8

27 May 2020 16: 07

Yes Yes. They already laughed so much over "Daggers and Poseidons", and now they are kneading each other on the air, figuring out who we are the first "Shmaln" at. I would like to ask a rhetorical question. And what did the "great Polish Aircraft designers" build?))
1. Dmitry from Kharkov
  
  +7
  
  27 May 2020 16: 49
  
  Before that, the Poles laughed at the Iskander, and now they cry that Russia has supplied them in the Kaliningrad region))
2. Syoma_67
  
  -4
  
  28 May 2020 20: 30
  
  ... already so laughing at "Daggers and Poseidons"
  
  - But what, do they already exist? There are five daggers - and that is in question, but Poseidon is only going to test next year. But knowing how many years they are trying to bring Su-57 and Armata to mind, there is an opinion that Poseidon will appear in 20 years (if there is money).
  1. Alexei Ushakov
    
    +1
    
    28 May 2020 21: 19
    
    Five))) This speaks of your direct high knowledge of the subject)) You are so lazy to just say - "OK, Google! How many" Dagger "missiles are in the Armed Forces?)) But usually they are counted by the number of carriers" tobish ". At this stage the Russian Aerospace Forces are armed with 130 MiGs, that is, no longer 5 missiles)). Well, and the nonsense about the "Su-57 and Armata" is even too lazy to comment on))
    1. Winnie
      
      -5
      
      30 May 2020 00: 29
      
      You are so lazy just to say - "OK, Google! How many in the sun ..."
      For the highly "gifted" I explain that not every MiG31 can carry a dagger, but only an upgraded version of the MiG-31K !!! And there are only 10 of them, like Daggers, who were accepted for pilot combat duty in 2017.
      Your thesis:
      
      they are usually counted by the number of tobish speakers.
      
      - without taking into account the specifics of the product, it’s no good and artificially dragged by the ears. And no 130 MiGs are suited for using the Dagger.
      Learn mat.chast and do not smack the nonsense!
      1. Alexei Ushakov
        
        +1
        
        30 May 2020 09: 32
        
        Ooh, checkmate part? Can you tell me who told you about 10 pieces? Another, my uncle works there, he personally knows. ?)) Tell us where the firewood comes from)? Do you really know the Secrets of the Sun. Oh yes, it is written on the Internet)) So you have confirmed your mental abilities .. In your "interior" they still write as many as Two regiments for 20 years))
        
        Winnie
        
        -3
        
        30 May 2020 18: 47
        
        But do not tell me who told you about 10 pieces?
        
        You said so.
        
        usually they are counted by the number of speakers "that is".
        
        PS I'm deeply parallel to your uncle, your "interior" and the grandmother at the entrance, who said that four regiments should have been a year ago.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Syoma_67
      
      -2
      
      30 May 2020 15: 10
      
      You, dear, need to watch less TV - this is harmful. And remember - "Hurray for patriotism" and marasmus are somewhere nearby.
      Based on your "logic" about the number of Su-57 can be judged by the number of air bases that are capable of receiving them. And the key word in your comment is "there are 130 MiGs." You know how many personnel there are in the Armed Forces and how many there actually are - believe me, these are completely different numbers.
      1. Alexei Ushakov
        
        +1
        
        30 May 2020 15: 24
        
        I am so touched by such um ... commentators)) Hooray patriotism. And in what way did he appear ?? In the fact that I directly said that you are lying about 5 missiles or that no one knows how many there are?)) According to your um ... logic, should I call you a saucepan?
        What I wrote is true. Find the release of the program on Polish TV, where two experts (like you) are fighting over who the first missiles to fly from Kaliningrad. And what they said is all a lie.
        
        Syoma_67
        
        -3
        
        31 May 2020 13: 29
        
        ... you're lying about 5 rockets ..
        
        - Just like you are lying about 130. But I already told you about TV, if you listen to what Kiselyov and Skabeeva say, their ears will be wrapped.
        
        plabu
        
        +2
        
        31 May 2020 13: 41
        
        Quote: Syoma_67
        ... And I already told you about the TV, if you listen to what Kiselyov and Skabeeva say, their ears will be wrapped.
        
        Hmm, how difficult it is for some especially gifted to understand that there are already many who don’t watch TV at all, I had an exception when they showed volleyball and basketball, but now this isn’t ... Has Solovyov or Kiselyov already entered into volleyball? ??
        So it’s time for you to remove the next item from your training manual.
        
        The comment was deleted.
  2. tagil
    
    +2
    
    30 May 2020 12: 27
    
    How many Poles have Daggers and how close are they in developing Poseidons?
    
    But knowing how many years they are trying to bring Su-57 and Armata to mind, there is an opinion that Poseidon will appear in 20 years (if there is money).
    
    Well, the Poles would have done it in a year.
Alexey Grigoryev

+3

27 May 2020 16: 15

And what remains for the Poles? Indeed, in Poland, in addition to apples and diapers, they do not produce anything.
ioann.grozny

+3

27 May 2020 16: 27

Yes, "civilizational abyss", where is there. Po-2 began to fly almost 10 years earlier, and was produced until 195 some year in an amount of 30000 (including by the Poles themselves, well, they probably forced it)! And the PWS-26, apparently, fell into the "abyss" and fell exactly in 1939. We made 300 pieces and swooped down. And the modern Polish aviation school simply amazes with its separation from all the Ilyushins, Tupolevs and other lapotniks. Wilga will receive a new radar and the Su-57 can be scrapped. And PAK YES - for pollination of fields, probably.

If Russia is an "enemy", maybe you need to be more careful? He is well proud of the achievements of the United States, but history is best remembered without distortion, in order to avoid unpleasant surprises and stupid decisions.
Sapsan136

+9

27 May 2020 16: 43

During the Second World War, the basis of Polish aviation was PZL P-11C biplane fighters, and the basis of bomber aviation was PZL P-23 Karas front-line bombers and PZL P-37 Los twin-engine bombers, which in all respects lost even to new MiGs, and I- fighters 16, light bombers of the Su-2 and twin-engine IL-4 ... So, it is not clear what the Pole is proud of, their aviation is in the 20th century and 21th in the crap ... Present Poland is armed with castoffs from all over the World, even used ones from the Air Force of the deceased GDR MiG-29B, export version bought from Merkel ...
1. shadow
  
  +4
  
  27 May 2020 17: 00
  
  Well, why is it not clear what they are proud of. They are proud of their stupidity.
  1. Oyo Sarkazmi
    
    +3
    
    27 May 2020 18: 58
    
    Quote: Shadows
    They are proud of their stupidity.
    
    No. They pride themselves on their loyalty to the white Sahib. They poured an "earthen rampart" between Russian resources and German technologies - and they are proud.
    Not to be proud of the Gdansk shipyards bought by UKRAINIANS !!!
2. Bitter
  
  +2
  
  28 May 2020 22: 07
  
  Poles rudely ridiculed ....
  
  Poland is armed with castoffs from all over the world ...
  
  That’s whose cow would mumble, while the Polish one would be better off silent.
Panting

+2

27 May 2020 17: 53

He laughs well who laughs without consequences.
Alexander Nazarov

+5

27 May 2020 18: 07

Let them laugh at their weapons, one of the clown armies of geyropa! In a word, psheki!
Guerilla1

-7

27 May 2020 18: 24

And let's objectively evaluate the Polish stereotypes about Russia (economy / aviation / industry), based on these posts:
1. High radar signature of the newest SU-57. Accepted, the Chinese wrote about this, including about the infrared "illumination" of engines. It may be true.
2. The dependence of a significant part (> 50% of the raw materials) of the Russian economy on the world situation. The ruble exchange rate convincingly confirms this every time. And this is a direct threat to the nat. security - lack of funds for defense projects. Accepted.
3. Problems with the ship / aviation / aerospace industries in Russia. Constant displacement of projects "to the right", cost overruns allocated to large projects of budgetary funds (including embezzlement - Vostochny, Khrunichev Center, Kuznetsov floating dock, problems of PJSC IL, etc.), inability to build large-tonnage warships (they have forgotten how remained in Nikolaev), launch vehicle accidents caused by low salary and, accordingly, the culture of production and, especially, control. Is it accepted?
4. Problems with the sale of high-tech military-industrial complex defense industry in foreign markets. Accepted rather than not.

In my opinion, if we discard the harshness traditionally inherent in our "friends" -sluts, they, unfortunately, in many ways are not so wrong. Conversely, our healthy patriotism often does not allow us to objectively assess the situation in Russia.
For me it is so surprising that the Poles have not yet "rode" on the state of affairs in education, science, machine tool / electronics industry. However, their education is definitely no better, judging by these comments.

Sincerely yours, no longer stubborn, but still kremlebot.
1. General Black
  
  +2
  
  27 May 2020 20: 42
  
  On, read to start.
  
  https://ladik2005.livejournal.com/636823.html
  1. Guerilla1
    
    -3
    
    28 May 2020 02: 18
    
    Quote: General Black
    On, read to start.
    
    "About the envy of the limitrophes"? Hmm, business ... article on 3-ku. Attention, opposition of the incomparable.
    Which patriot had the idea to compare the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation in terms of competition?
    I can only speculate and sympathize with the brightest example of the Unified State Examination - try to prove something using the example of Belarus)
    Yes, the younger generation so willingly, on the fly, without hesitation, divides the people into "ours" and "yours" ...
    1. General Black
      
      +1
      
      28 May 2020 08: 58
      
      Well, here, read more! And where are the people? And "yours" and "ours"? Why are you confusing Bozhy Dar with a dynamite plant? And this is the young generation you are writing about, reserve colonel, by the way.
      
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/chingiz/pod-belorusskim-ekonomicheskim-chudom-skryvalsia-banalnyi-belorusskii-ekonomicheskii-parazit-5ece62be71ec811376aea4a1
2. oracul
  
  +1
  
  28 May 2020 08: 35
  
  It's funny. The SU-57 looks more convincing than the F-35. And then someone wrote a critical assessment and immediately accepted it. The ruble exchange rate does not confirm anything, since systemic speculative games on stock exchanges are being played against it. You better think about why the Ukrainian hryvnia looks more stable than the ruble with government debts, a destroyed economy and a lack of oil and gas. Sevmash, which builds nuclear submarines, is capable of building "large-tonnage combat ships", but it is the submarines that are urgently needed. And in general, lumping everything together is not the best reason for an assessment. All the same, Russia, as you know, is far from being on the last role in the arms market.
3. Winnie
  
  -4
  
  30 May 2020 00: 36
  
  Objectively and self-critical. I'm happy for you.
AICO

0

27 May 2020 21: 33

You have been awarded an incentive prize for the best joke of humor! As such - the first test in your territories, while as a bomber - maybe someone will not survive for long !!!
olpin51

0

27 May 2020 23: 06

... Especially Polikarpov, whose Po-2 at the Museum of Polish Aviation stands next to our PWS-26, and it is clear what a civilizational abyss separates both structures!
Oh, a very big abyss. PO-2 built 33000 units, and PWS-26 somehow only 300. Well, a very large abyss.
The comment was deleted.
alexandrmakedo

0

28 May 2020 14: 38

The cuirassiers with chicken wings, accustomed to flying in horse saddles, of course, understand in flight more than the designers who create the best airplanes in the world.

https://diorama.ru/_img/content/gallery/6212/5.jpg

Their assessment is incredibly important. I would like one of them to name as an example just a flying modern Polish airplane.
I read about the courageous flight of one such PWS-26, in which one German laughed, chasing a pshek and broke his head at the same time. Victory, included in the annals of aerial combat.
1. alexandrmakedo
  
  -1
  
  28 May 2020 14: 50
  The best ones haven’t been invented.
alexandrmakedo

-1

28 May 2020 21: 41

Quote: Alexey Grigoriev
And what remains for the Poles? Indeed, in Poland, in addition to apples and diapers, they do not produce anything.

You are mistaken. They produce shit, enough for the whole of Europe. Churchill also called them the hyena of Europe. The bastard knew what to say ....
Head of Communications

+1

29 May 2020 18: 22

Poles are not the kind of people, and Poland is not a country that, in principle, can discuss such matters. Their lot is Zev's toilet paper, as well as everything related to the "near-front" space. This is what they do masterfully.
shinobi

+2

7 June 2020 15: 02

Let them laugh. The one who survived laughs well. Engaged in complacency in style - the US will protect us. Yeah, as well as helping the Georgians. In which case, for them there will be plenty of what is. PAK YES, this is a platform for strategic cruise missiles in addition to the Tupolev serial ones. For constant patrolling along the borders.
Martial Artist

+2

9 June 2020 17: 36

I remember that in 1938, the polished Polish mongrel with his largest Army in Europe (2 million soldiers) threatened Hitler to take Germany in two days ... and then surrendered to the Germans ALL Poland in 2 weeks, and they fled from somewhere to their country.
Let them say to the Russians and to Stalin THANKS that Poland exists ... but instead they sharpen knives on the Russians.
Now the cowardly Holocaust Poles boast of the same cowardly American army and American weapons that are only suitable for scrap metal ... ha ha ha. See that it doesn’t work out like in 1939, but only from Russia.