The Poles rudely ridiculed the news of the Russian PAK DA bomber


Polish Internet users rudely commented news that Russia began the construction of the first strategic bomber of the next generation PAK DA. This message, published on the portal Defense24.pl, caused a flurry of criticism, ridicule and arrogance from readers of the resource.


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At the service of this beautiful "cartoon" will arrive tomorrow, well, maybe the day after tomorrow. I think that along with another beautiful "cartoon" [...] Meanwhile, things are like this: Su-57 is a pile of scrap metal with radar visibility worse than that of Saab Gripen E [...] Fans of Moscow storytellers, Mars calls you .. .

- ironic user with the nickname Olo.

They started construction and disappeared ... with money

- “witty” ironizes one mały-pływak.

Can not wait! There will be something like the great creations of Ilyushin, Tupolev or Polikarpov! Something that will cost a lot of money, but in terms of combat value, it will hit the world in the same way as previous cars created by the designers mentioned above! Especially Polikarpov, whose Po-2 at the Museum of Polish Aviation stands next to our PWS-26, and it is clear what a civilizational abyss separates both structures!

- Gives its "expert" evaluation of robo.

It's beautiful news. The more petrodollars, which are less and less, they decide to invest in such useless projects, the better for us. And a real dream would be the announcement of the construction of a new aircraft carrier. The Russians will not gain an advantage over the United States in any of these areas, and their resources and money will not go to the undertakings that could really threaten us, that is, the development of the ground and missile forces

- expresses his position Zdzichu Dyrman.

The Russians are embarking on an arms race that is clearly more serious than their financial and technological capabilities. The huge difference between the prototype and mass production, as well as the actual combat operation of vehicles. They can make a prototype, but a fully operational combat vehicle is beyond their strength. In general, this is good for us: Russia will certainly get a great PR effect, but absolutely no - in terms of combat value

- argues Dalej patrzący.

They will build a prototype worth $ 2 billion, which will simply break or burn in the hangar when welding a leaking fuel tank [...]

- suggests Rhotax.

Very well. They will spend a ton of money on machinerythat no one will buy, but their strategic position will not change. Let's root for the bad decisions of our enemies

- offers easyrider.
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  1. Alexei Ushakov Offline
    Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 27 May 2020 16: 07
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    Yes Yes. They already laughed at Daggers and Poseidons, and now they are knocking each other on the air, figuring out who we are the first Shmalny. I would like to ask a rhetorical question. And what about the "great Polish Aircraft Designers" that they built?))
    1. Dmitry from Kharkov (Dmitriy) 27 May 2020 16: 49
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      Before that, the Poles were laughing at the Iskanders, and now they are crying that Russia has delivered them in the Kaliningrad region))
    2. Syoma_67 Offline
      Syoma_67 (Semyon) 28 May 2020 20: 30
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      ... already so laughed at "Daggers and Poseidons"

      - But what, do they already exist? There are five daggers - and that is in question, but Poseidon is only going to test next year. But knowing how many years they are trying to bring Su-57 and Armata to mind, there is an opinion that Poseidon will appear in 20 years (if there is money).
      1. Alexei Ushakov Offline
        Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 28 May 2020 21: 19
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        Five pieces))) This speaks of your direct high knowledge of the subject)) You are so lazy to just say - “OK Google! How many“ Dagger ”missiles are in the sun?)) But usually they are counted by the number of carriers“ tobish. ”At this stage in the Russian Aerospace Forces there are 130 MiGs in service, that is, not 5 missiles anymore)). Well, I’m too lazy to comment on the Su-57 and Armata))
        1. Winnie Offline
          Winnie (Winnie) 30 May 2020 00: 29
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          You are so lazy to just say - "OK Google! How many in the sun ..."
          For the very "gifted" I explain that not every MiG31 can carry a dagger, but only an upgraded version of the MiG-31K !!! And there are only 10 of them, like Daggers, who were accepted for pilot combat duty in 2017.
          Your thesis:

          they are usually counted by the number of Tobish carriers.

          - without taking into account the specifics of the product, it’s no good and artificially dragged by the ears. And no 130 MiGs are suited for using the Dagger.
          Learn mat.chast and do not smack the nonsense!
          1. Alexei Ushakov Offline
            Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 30 May 2020 09: 32
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            Ooh, mate part? But do not tell me who told you about 10 pieces? Another, my uncle works there, he personally knows. ?)) Tell me, where did the firewood come from?) Do you really know the Secrets of the sun. Oh yes, it is written on the Internet)) So you have confirmed your mental abilities .. In your "interior" they write as much as Two regiments for 20 years))
            1. Winnie Offline
              Winnie (Winnie) 30 May 2020 18: 47
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              But do not tell me who told you about 10 pieces?

              You said so.

              they are usually counted by the number of carriers "that is."

              PS I’m deeply parallel to your uncle, your “interior” and grandmother at the entrance, who said that four regiments should be a year ago. lol
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        3. Syoma_67 Offline
          Syoma_67 (Semyon) 30 May 2020 15: 10
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          You, dear, you need to watch less TV - this is harmful. And remember - "Hooray patriotism" and insanity are somewhere nearby.
          Based on your "logic", the number of Su-57 can be judged by the number of air bases that are able to receive them, and the key word in your comment is "130 MiGs." You know how many personnel are in the armed forces and how many they really are - believe me, these are completely different numbers.
          1. Alexei Ushakov Offline
            Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 30 May 2020 15: 24
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            I am so touched by such um ... commentators)) Hooray patriotism. And in what way did he appear ?? In the fact that I directly said that you are lying about 5 missiles or that no one knows how many there are?)) According to your um ... logic, should I call you a saucepan?
            What I wrote is true. Find the release of the program on Polish TV, where two experts (like you) are fighting over who the first missiles to fly from Kaliningrad. And what they said is all a lie.
            1. Syoma_67 Offline
              Syoma_67 (Semyon) 31 May 2020 13: 29
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              ... you're lying about 5 rockets ..

              - Just like you are lying about 130. But I already told you about TV, if you listen to what Kiselyov and Skabeeva say, their ears will be wrapped.
              1. 321 Offline
                321 (321) 31 May 2020 13: 41
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                Quote: Syoma_67
                ... And I already told you about the TV, if you listen to what Kiselyov and Skabeeva say, their ears will be wrapped.

                Hmm, how difficult it is for some especially gifted to understand that there are already many who don’t watch TV at all, I had an exception when they showed volleyball and basketball, but now this isn’t ... Has Solovyov or Kiselyov already entered into volleyball? ?? laughing negative
                So it’s time for you to remove the next item from your training manual. hi
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      2. tagil Offline
        tagil (Sergei) 30 May 2020 12: 27
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        And how many Poles have “Daggers” and how close have they come in the development of “Poseidons”?

        But knowing how many years they are trying to bring Su-57 and Armata to mind, there is an opinion that Poseidon will appear in 20 years (if there is money).

        Well, the Poles would have done it in a year.
  2. Alexey Grigoryev (Alexey Grigoriev) 27 May 2020 16: 15
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    And what remains for the Poles? Indeed, in Poland, in addition to apples and diapers, they do not produce anything.
  3. ioann.grozny Offline
    ioann.grozny (Mikhail Sharov) 27 May 2020 16: 27
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    Yes, the "civilizational abyss", where there. Po-2 began to fly almost 10 years earlier, and was produced until 195 of some year in the amount of 30000 (including by the Poles themselves, well, they forced me, I guess)! And PWS-26, apparently, in the "abyss" and fell exactly in the 1939th. Made 300 pieces, and flew. And the modern Polish aviation school is simply striking in its isolation from the Ilyushins, Tupolevs and other lapotniks there. Wilga will get a new radar and the Su-57 can be scrap. And PAK YES - for pollination of fields, probably.

    If Russia is an "enemy", maybe more careful is needed? He is proud of the achievements of the United States, but history is best remembered without distortion, in order to avoid unpleasant surprises and stupid decisions.
  4. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 16: 43
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    During the Second World War, the basis of Polish aviation was PZL P-11C biplane fighters, and the basis of bomber aviation was PZL P-23 Karas front-line bombers and PZL P-37 Los twin-engine bombers, which in all respects lost even to new MiGs, and I- fighters 16, light bombers of the Su-2 and twin-engine IL-4 ... So, it is not clear what the Pole is proud of, their aviation is in the 20th century and 21th in the crap ... Present Poland is armed with castoffs from all over the World, even used ones from the Air Force of the deceased GDR MiG-29B, export version bought from Merkel ...
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      shadow 27 May 2020 17: 00
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      Well, why is it not clear what they are proud of. They are proud of their stupidity.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 27 May 2020 18: 58
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        Quote: Shadows
        They are proud of their stupidity.

        No. They are proud of their loyalty to the white sahib. They poured an “earthen rampart” between Russian resources and German technologies - and are proud of it.
        Not to be proud of the Gdansk shipyards bought by UKRAINIANS !!!
    2. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 28 May 2020 22: 07
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      Poles rudely ridiculed ....

      Poland is armed with castoffs from all over the world ...

      That’s whose cow would mumble, while the Polish one would be better off silent. laughing
  5. Panting Offline
    Panting (Vyacheslav) 27 May 2020 17: 53
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    He laughs well who laughs without consequences.
  6. Alexander Nazarov (Alexander Nazarov) 27 May 2020 18: 07
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    Let them laugh at their weapons, one of the clown armies of geyropa! In a word, psheki!
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    Guerilla1 (Eremeev) 27 May 2020 18: 24
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    And let's objectively evaluate the Polish stereotypes about Russia (economy / aviation / industry), based on these posts:
    1. High radar visibility of the latest SU-57. Accepted, the Chinese wrote about this, including about the infrared "illumination" of the engines. Maybe the truth.
    2. The dependence of a significant part (> 50% of the raw materials) of the Russian economy on the world market. The ruble exchange rate is convincing every time and confirms. And this is a direct threat nat. security - lack of funds for defense projects. Accepted.
    3. Problems with the ship / air / aerospace industries of Russia. The constant shift of projects "to the right", the overspending of budget funds allocated for large projects (including embezzlement - Vostochny, Khrunichev Center, Kuznetsov's floating dock, PAO IL problems, etc.), inability to build large-tonnage warships (forgotten how, and the only shipyard remained in Nikolaev), missile launch accidents caused by low salary and, accordingly, production culture and, especially, control. Accepted?
    4. Problems with the sale of high-tech military-industrial complex defense industry in foreign markets. Accepted rather than not.

    In my opinion, if we discard the “harshness” traditionally inherent in our “friends” gentry, they, unfortunately, are in many ways not so right. And vice versa, our healthy patriotism often does not give an objective assessment of the situation in Russia.
    It’s so surprising to me that the Poles haven’t “driven through” the state of affairs in education, science, machine tool building / electronic industry. However, with education they are definitely not better, judging by these comments.

    Sincerely yours, no longer stubborn, but still kremlebot.
    1. General Black Online
      General Black (Gennady) 27 May 2020 20: 42
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      On, read to start.

      https://ladik2005.livejournal.com/636823.html
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        Guerilla1 (Eremeev) 28 May 2020 02: 18
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        Quote: General Black
        On, read to start.

        "On the envy of the Limitrophs"? Hmm, business ... article on 3-ku. Attention, contrasting incomparable.
        Which patriot had the idea to compare the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation in terms of competition?
        I can only speculate and sympathize with the brightest example of the Unified State Examination - try to prove something using the example of Belarus)
        Yes, the young generation is so eager, on the fly, without hesitation, dividing the people into “ours” and “yours” ...
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          General Black (Gennady) 28 May 2020 08: 58
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          Well, here, read more! And where does the people? Moreover, yours and ours? Why do you confuse God's Gift with a dynamite plant? And this is the young generation, about which you write, Colonel of the reserve, by the way.

          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/chingiz/pod-belorusskim-ekonomicheskim-chudom-skryvalsia-banalnyi-belorusskii-ekonomicheskii-parazit-5ece62be71ec811376aea4a1
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      oracul (leonid) 28 May 2020 08: 35
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      It’s ridiculous. SU-57 looks more convincing F-35. And then someone wrote a critical assessment and then - accepted. The ruble exchange rate does not confirm anything, since system speculative games on exchanges are being conducted against it. You’d better think about why the Ukrainian hryvnia looks more stable than the ruble with government debt, a ruined economy and the absence of oil and gas. The Sevmash enterprise, on which nuclear submarines are built, is capable of building "large-tonnage warships," but submarines are urgently needed. And in general, to pile everything up is not the best argument for evaluation. All the same, Russia, as you know, is far from the last in the arms market.
    3. Winnie Offline
      Winnie (Winnie) 30 May 2020 00: 36
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      Objectively and self-critical. I'm happy for you. good
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    AICO (Vyacheslav) 27 May 2020 21: 33
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    You have been awarded an incentive prize for the best joke of humor! As such - the first test in your territories, while as a bomber - maybe someone will not survive for long !!!
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    olpin51 (Oleg Pinegin) 27 May 2020 23: 06
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    ... Especially Polikarpov, whose Po-2 at the Museum of Polish Aviation stands next to our PWS-26, and it is clear what a civilizational abyss separates both structures!
    Oh, a very big abyss. PO-2 built 33000 units, and PWS-26 somehow only 300. Well, a very large abyss.
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  11. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 28 May 2020 14: 38
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    The cuirassiers with chicken wings, accustomed to flying in horse saddles, of course, understand in flight more than the designers who create the best airplanes in the world.

    https://diorama.ru/_img/content/gallery/6212/5.jpg

    Their assessment is incredibly important. I would like one of them to name as an example just a flying modern Polish airplane.
    I read about the courageous flight of one such PWS-26, in which one German laughed, chasing a pshek and broke his head at the same time. Victory, included in the annals of aerial combat.
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      aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 28 May 2020 14: 50
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      The best ones haven’t been invented.

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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 28 May 2020 21: 41
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    Quote: Alexey Grigoriev
    And what remains for the Poles? Indeed, in Poland, in addition to apples and diapers, they do not produce anything.

    You are mistaken. They produce shit, enough for the whole of Europe. Churchill also called them the hyena of Europe. The bastard knew what to say ....
  13. Head of Communications (Head of Communications) 29 May 2020 18: 22
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    The Poles are not the same people, and Poland is not the country that, in principle, can discuss such matters. Their lot is Zev's toilet paper, as well as everything related to the “near-ground” space. This is what they do expertly.
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    shinobi (Yuri) 7 June 2020 15: 02
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    Let them laugh. The one who survived laughs well. Engaged in complacency in style - the US will protect us. Yeah, as well as helping the Georgians. In which case, for them there will be plenty of what is. PAK YES, this is a platform for strategic cruise missiles in addition to the Tupolev serial ones. For constant patrolling along the borders.
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    Warrior 9 June 2020 17: 36
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    I remember that in 1938, the polished Polish mongrel with his largest Army in Europe (2 million soldiers) threatened Hitler to take Germany in two days ... and then surrendered to the Germans ALL Poland in 2 weeks, and they fled from somewhere to their country.
    Let them say to the Russians and to Stalin THANKS that Poland exists ... but instead they sharpen knives on the Russians.
    Now the cowardly Holocaust Poles boast of the same cowardly American army and American weapons that are only suitable for scrap metal ... ha ha ha. See that it doesn’t work out like in 1939, but only from Russia.