Expert: Shinzo Abe Kuril Plan Fails


The “new approach” to relations with Russia by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe turned into a failure, which clearly demonstrates that the path of diplomatic negotiations with Moscow will not lead to the return of any of the South Kuril Islands. Northern territories will remain “Japanese” only on Japanese maps. This is written by political analyst James Brown (James DJ Brown) and his opinion is posted on the Nikkei Asian Review.


Published on May 19, the "Diplomatic Blue Book of Japan" reflected a noticeable tightening of Tokyo's position on the territorial dispute, the expert said.

This return to harsher vocabulary is a recognition of Shinzo Abe’s defeat in the deal to return the two islands on the basis of the 1956 Joint Declaration, which promised the transfer of Shikotan and Habomai to Japan after the conclusion of the peace treaty, but did not say anything about the much larger islands of Iturup and Kunashir. Abe previously sent a signal of his readiness to agree to a deal with the two islands.

To encourage Russian President Vladimir Putin to accept the deal, the Prime Minister visited Russia 11 times between 2013 and 2019. He did not join in the attempts to isolate the Russian Federation after the Crimean events of 2014, and Japan was the only G7 country that did not expel Russian diplomats after trying to assassinate Sergei Skripal in Salisbury.

Instead of responding with mutual concessions, Moscow simply used these steps to its advantage. When Putin visited Osaka in June 2019, there was no talk of any negotiations based on the Joint Declaration. He also now supports an amendment to the constitution, which contains lines expressly prohibiting territorial concessions.

The truth is that the Kremlin does not intend to abandon the disputed territory, writes Mr. Brown. The absence of a peace treaty does not matter, since Japan is not yet a military threat, and economically it is already cooperating with the Russian Federation.

In addition, the continuation of the territorial dispute is a useful diplomatic lever for Russia. By periodically warming up Tokyo's hopes and agreeing to participate in the negotiations, Moscow may deter Japan from adverse steps, as well as push it to political and economic concessions.

The next Prime Minister of Japan should learn from the mistakes of his predecessor, the expert believes. Abe wasted for more than seven years, testing the theory that an agreement on two islands could be reached. His successor should not repeat this experiment. The best course for Japan, the text says, is to uphold sovereignty over all four disputed islands and prevent any compromises on this issue.
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  1. Wanderer039 Offline
    Wanderer039 25 May 2020 21: 24
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    Unfortunately, the Kremlin still did not take a tough stance on the Kuril Islands and did not say that all the Kuril Islands, without exception, belong to the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation does not intend to negotiate their nationality. So, an attempt by the ruling party to merge the Kuril Islands or part of Japan is not excluded ... The constitution also leaves a loophole for draining the territories of the Russian Federation, in the form of a point at which the territories of the Russian Federation can be transferred to foreign states in connection with the demarcation of the border ... I am for such I won’t vote for the constitution for the ruling party either, it’s enough that Medvedev and Putin merged the territories of the Russian Federation, Norway and China ... I don’t want to see these people in power in the Russian Federation ...
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 25 May 2020 21: 33
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      The position is quite understandable. yes And who do you want in power to see, if not a secret?
      1. Wanderer039 Offline
        Wanderer039 25 May 2020 22: 09
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        Anyone, except the above, will be better, with the exception of Navalny and Yavlinsky, I want to see these in Solikamsk prison!
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 25 May 2020 22: 14
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          And why do you think that any will be better?
          1. Wanderer039 Offline
            Wanderer039 25 May 2020 22: 20
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            Because Zhirinovsky, not Putin, gave the LDNR militia a PERSONAL TIGER armored car ... Because it’s not Putin, but Zyuganov who says that the prison misses Chubais ...
            1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
              Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 May 2020 22: 30
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              And like recently said. Lavrov. - "... belong to the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation does not intend ..."
              There was a post.

              Finally did not agree in price and size.
            2. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 25 May 2020 23: 05
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              Because Zhirinovsky, not Putin, gave the LDNR militia a PERSONAL TIGER armored car ...

              Do you think help was limited to one Tiger? Did he determine the outcome?

              Because it’s not Putin, but Zyuganov who says that Chubais misses prison ...

              Representatives of the commercial party say a lot of things, but they have less and less faith.
              1. Bitter Online
                Bitter (Gleb) 26 May 2020 00: 23
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                Representatives of the commercial party say a lot of things, but they have less and less faith.

                And other representatives who took an active part in the commercialization of that party and commercialized their own party cards, in your opinion, deserve more faith?
                God forbid the "breeze" will change and you will not have time to look back ...
                1. 123 Offline
                  123 (123) 26 May 2020 00: 55
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                  And other representatives who took an active part in the commercialization of that party and commercialized their own party cards, in your opinion, deserve more faith?
                  God forbid the "breeze" will change and you will not have time to look back ...

                  And what's the point then to change? Opposition starving?
                  1. Bitter Online
                    Bitter (Gleb) 26 May 2020 19: 55
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                    But it makes no sense, as thirty years ago, it also made no sense to leave the country in ruin.
                    Unless only in order to muddy little dealings in muddy waters.
                    1. 123 Offline
                      123 (123) 26 May 2020 20: 24
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                      But it makes no sense, as thirty years ago, it also made no sense to leave the country in ruin.
                      Unless only in order to muddy little dealings in muddy waters.

                      Are you presenting this to me? belay I have nothing to do with the ruling party, neither the present nor the past. request
              2. Wanderer039 Offline
                Wanderer039 26 May 2020 02: 52
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                I believe that taking it out and giving it to the Russians from their own pocket is much more noble and useful for Russia and Russians than taking it from the budget of the Russian Federation and sending it to NATO Italy ... Well, faith in those who erect monuments to the drunk Boriske Yeltsin, whose grandson lives in the United States, and the daughter is a citizen of NATO Austria and stands on holidays next to the criminal, Judewka Gorbachev, I no longer have, from the word ALL!
                1. Natan bruk Offline
                  Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 03: 23
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                  In fact, Austria is a neutral country and has never joined NATO.
                  1. Dust Offline
                    Dust (Sergei) 26 May 2020 09: 27
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                    Neutral! It's only on paper!) Rather, it’s tricky ....
                2. 123 Offline
                  123 (123) 26 May 2020 04: 47
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                  I believe that taking it out and giving it to the Russians from their own pocket is much more noble and useful for Russia and Russians than taking it from the budget of the Russian Federation and sending it to NATO Italy ... Well, faith in those who erect monuments to the drunk Boriske Yeltsin, whose grandson lives in the United States, and the daughter is a citizen of NATO Austria and stands on holidays next to the criminal, Judewka Gorbachev, I no longer have, from the word ALL!

                  Let me ask you who this worthy person is and what he took out of his own pocket and gave to the people?
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 26 May 2020 14: 48
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                    Well, they already wrote to you. Zhirinovsky gave his personal Tiger armored car to the LDN militia ... Personal, and not from the budget, to Russians, but not NATO Italy, like Putin ...
                    1. 123 Offline
                      123 (123) 26 May 2020 15: 06
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                      Well, they already wrote to you. Zhirinovsky gave his personal Tiger armored car to the LDN militia ... Personal, and not from the budget, to Russians, but not NATO Italy, like Putin ...

                      Oh well, beautiful gesture, no more. One Tiger in the foreground with its "carcass" obscures all assistance to Donbass. It's like Musk Tesla launched into space once and everyone just doesn't talk about it. Moreover, Vladimir Volfovich’s personal pocket at least depends on the position of party chairman. There will be no position, the pocket will be empty.
                      State policy does not depend much on the personal opinion of the new president. Won Zelensky put in a month turned into Poroshenko.
                      I doubt very much that if Zhirinovsky becomes president, "communism" will come. Do you think that he will immediately send troops to the Donbass?
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 26 May 2020 21: 41
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                        This is not just a gesture. The toad strangled others by repeating such a gesture, but at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation they are generous, and not to the Russians and not to Russia, which is what infuriates me most .... In something you are right, one person cannot do anything, but when a person goes with his team, he can do a lot if the team is right, and it depends on the person. Remember, after all - Tell me who your friend is and I’ll tell you who you are ... Right away or not, but this is the only way and the only way to stop the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass ... Donbass must follow the path of Crimea ...
                      2. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 26 May 2020 22: 13
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                        This is not just a gesture. The toad strangled others to repeat such a gesture, but at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation they are generous, and not to Russians and not to Russia, which is what infuriates me most ....

                        As far as I remember, in 2014, everything was brewed, they began to collect and send help, volunteers went. Little time passed, it became clear that this was not enough, help went at the state level.
                        In December, the 83rd humanitarian convoy was sent; the Communists sent more than 70.
                        It looks something like this:

                        The humanitarian convoy involved more than 170 cars. Of these, over 100 will go to Donetsk with humanitarian aid weighing more than 1,1 thousand tons and 70 vehicles will go to Lugansk with more than 700 tons of humanitarian cargo.

                        But still gas, electricity and much more. No man, even if he is an oligarch at least three times, is capable of providing such assistance. It goes on an industrial scale. Against this background, the presented Tiger is a gesture and nothing more.

                        Immediately or not, but this is the only way out and the only way to stop the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass ... Donbass must follow the path of Crimea ...

                        But what about the genocide in other places? To Odessa too? Everywhere send troops or is there a limit?
                        Of course, I understand what is in full swing, but the troops have nothing to do there, at least for now.
                      3. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 10: 31
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                        Apart from the army, no one will solve the problem there. I also drove humanitarian aid with my guys to the Donbass, I bought some of this at my own expense ... The question is what to give my own, personal and from the budget, it’s a big difference, and there’s also a difference who to give to your own, Russian, Donbass, or a stranger, to NATO Italy ... As they say - find a lot of differences ...
                      4. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 10: 34
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                        The question here is, what to give your own, personal and from the budget, this is a big difference, and there is still a difference - to whom to give, yours, Russians, to the Donbass, or strangers, to NATO Italy ... As they say - find a lot of differences .. .

                        Apparently, I did not understand something? Who and what gave from Italy to his pocket? Can you clarify?
                      5. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 10: 37
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                        Putin sent to Italy, and from the budget, although NATO Italy didn’t do anything good to Russia either, just fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler and is now going to fight on the side of NATO against the Russian Federation ... And from his pocket, the Russians, to Donbass, have their own Zhirinovsky gave a personal armored car ... So feel the difference !!!
                      6. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 10: 55
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                        In this case, we have different opinions. I have nothing against helping civilians in Italy.
                        As for Vladimir Volfovich, I’m not sure that this is “out of one’s own pocket”. As I understand it, he did not pay anything for him. And in my opinion, this is pure PR promotion.

                      7. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 11: 10
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                        The civilians of Italy arm and replenish the personnel of the army of NATO Italy ... and to help them, to put it mildly, is stupid ... Exactly the same (civilians of Germany) served in the Hitler Wehrmacht ... As for Zhirinovsky, yes, the Tiger armored car was his own previously presented, he did not pay for it, but belonged to him personally, and to give his personal Russian to the Donbass and to give from the budget, in fact, to an enemy NATO country - Italy, these are very different things !!!
                      8. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 11: 18
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                        The civilians of Italy arm and replenish the personnel of the army of NATO Italy ... and to help them, to put it mildly, is stupid ... Exactly the same (civilians of Germany) served in the Hitler Wehrmacht ...

                        Do you propose to block the border with the West and stop all trade?

                        As for Zhirinovsky, yes, the Tiger armored car was presented to him earlier, he didn’t pay for it, but belonged to him personally, but to give his personal Russian to the Donbass and give from the budget, in fact, to an enemy NATO country, these are very different things !!!

                        To give your own and earned and donated either to you, or to the party, are also different things. There is no clear distinction between the personal and party funds. The heads of state also give gifts, but give, rather, not personally to them.
                      9. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 11: 22
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                        You do not confuse trade and unreasonable gifts to states hostile to the Russian Federation, it’s very different things ... Something your Putin didn’t give his own ... neither the gift that was given to him nor the one earned by him, everything is generous at the expense of the budget, and it’s not there, where you need ...
                      10. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 11: 24
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                        You do not confuse trade and unreasonable gifts to hostile RF states

                        What did you give?
                      11. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 11: 25
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                        Enough to troll, mister good ... We with your party are not on the way and we will never welcome your gifts to NATO countries at the expense and expense of the Russian Federation!
                      12. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 11: 31
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                        Stop trolling, mister good ...

                        Troll? belay Explain in human terms what exactly he gave, and then rip the vest.

                        We and your party are not on the way and we will never welcome your gifts to NATO countries at the expense and expense of the Russian Federation!

                        Why did you arrange a rally? Our party, your party. On the way - not on the way. In a wooden pea jacket, I saw all these lots in snow-white boots.
                      13. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 11: 34
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                        negative I wrote to you three times, but you turned on the deaf ... your problems ... You staged a rally here, trying to get me crazy ... You just got one thing — you are going to IGNOR!
                      14. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 11: 36
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                        I wrote to you three times, but you turned on the deaf ... your problems.

                        Where?
  2. Dear sofa expert. 27 May 2020 00: 33
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    The toad strangled others with such a gesture.

    I don’t want to anger you, but I want to ask .. why don’t you give your armored car as a present too? Also make a wide gesture, like Vladimir Volfovich (if anything - I respect him). But still .. how is it with your armored car? Or do you feel sorry for the “then earned” Tiger? No, well, a joke, of course, but think how silly it all sounds? And by the way, where did the politician get the fighting machine? The law doesn’t allow you to have a bayonet-knife from Kalash, but here you have a tank.
  3. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 10: 35
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    My income was only enough to replenish the canned goods of those few Urals that we took to the Donbass from our region and this was not from the budget of the Russian Federation, but voluntary donations ... I don’t have an armored car, I would have given it back. We accompanied the cargo personally, with personal weapons and under fire there, too, they themselves fell ... It’s time for you to get out of the sofa, you can hardly see from it ...
  4. Dear sofa expert. 27 May 2020 11: 02
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    I don’t have an armored car, I would have given it up ...

    Can you imagine that Putin also has no personal armored car? And there are official ones assigned to him “by rank”. I am.
    Regarding the “sofa” - I advise you not to go personal, you don’t know me, otherwise your “peregrine falcon” may also turn out to be a “shop on wheels”.
  5. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 May 2020 11: 06
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    I had enough of your revelations about RTOs to understand who you are. There is a lot of self-doubt, education is worse ... Farewell, good mister ...
  6. Dear sofa expert. 27 May 2020 11: 37
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    I had enough of your revelations about RTOs.

    What accidentally called a boat? Well, I admitted this mistake. The rest - just like yours - from the Internet. Not a single word that I personally invented.

    There are many self-doubts, with education worse.

    Judge self-conceit by nickname? Well, you have problems with a sense of humor, my friend)
    There is education. Higher. Two. If there is a desire, we can compare with you.
    It’s not worth saying goodbye, we’re not going anywhere from each other) So don’t be angry in vain.
  • Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 25 May 2020 23: 53
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    And why did they suddenly decide that these islands are controversial? For them, the Soviet Union entered the war at the request of the United States. The USA does not hold a word; they are not gentlemen.
    1. Wanderer039 Offline
      Wanderer039 26 May 2020 02: 57
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      Since Putin and the company lack the spirit and conscience to stop negotiations on the Kuril’s territorial affiliation and clearly state that the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the Kuril’s of the Russian Federation will not even be discussed, since it is undeniable that the Kuril’s territorial affiliation will not be allowed . The very fact that Moscow is negotiating the Kuril’s nationality, casts doubt on the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over them, and Putin, if he didn’t get a headache, can’t not understand this, but since he understands and is negotiating, then Russia needs a new president and not from this hateful party!
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 26 May 2020 04: 42
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        Since Putin and the company lack the spirit and conscience to stop negotiations on the Kuril’s territorial affiliation and clearly state that the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the Kuril’s of the Russian Federation will not even be discussed, since it is undeniable that the Kuril’s territorial affiliation will not be allowed . The very fact that Moscow is negotiating the Kuril’s nationality, casts doubt on the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over them, and Putin, if he didn’t get a headache, can’t not understand this, but since he understands and is negotiating, then Russia needs a new president and not from this hateful party!

        The Joint Declaration of the USSR and Japan was signed on October 19, 1956.

        9. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan agreed to continue negotiations on a peace treaty after the restoration of normal diplomatic relations between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan. At the same time, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, meeting the wishes of Japan and taking into account the interests of the Japanese state, agrees to the transfer of the Habomai Islands and Sikotan Islands to Japan with the fact that the actual transfer of these islands to Japan will be made after the conclusion of a peace treaty between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan .

        This conversation was started by representatives of another, no less hateful party, no better than the current one.
        Nikita Sergeevich said, Leonid Ilyich said nothing, I don’t remember any complaints against them. Nobody campaigned for another party, did not demand a new Secretary General. laughing
        And in general, the matter is not in the party, Zhirinovsky will be in power, the whole crowd in the LDPR will run away and everything will remain as before.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 26 May 2020 14: 49
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          Well, this still needs to be accepted there, which is not a fact yet ...
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    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 03: 27
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    Well, why not hold a referendum among the population of the islands? There, besides the military and civil servants, there is practically nobody, so the result will be unequivocal. Then there will be an iron argument - the population does not want to, so there is nothing to talk about. Or is the Kremlin afraid to set a precedent for a referendum on these issues?
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 26 May 2020 04: 45
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      Well, why not hold a referendum among the population of the islands? There, besides the military and civil servants, there is practically nobody, so the result will be unequivocal. Then there will be an iron argument - the population does not want to, so there is nothing to talk about. Or is the Kremlin afraid to set a precedent for a referendum on these issues?

      Not afraid, there was a referendum. A total of 96% of the figs were drawn to the descendants of the samurai. But there are not only civil servants and military people living there.

      https://vz.ru/news/2019/2/19/964917.html
      1. Natan bruk Offline
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 05: 22
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        The bulk. Well, and if there was a referendum, then why not present it to Japan? Like, the population is against, so the question is closed.
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          123 (123) 26 May 2020 06: 20
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          The bulk. Well, and if there was a referendum, then why not present it to Japan? Like, the population is against, so the question is closed.

          And they, like, do not know?
          1. Natan bruk Offline
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 06: 38
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            Few know what they are. There was no and no definite Russian statement on this subject.
            1. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 26 May 2020 07: 17
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              Little is known about what they are. There has been no, and no, unequivocal Russian statement on this subject.

              These statements are of no interest to anyone, I won’t even look for it or not. In Crimea, everyone is aware of the results, the result is the same.
              All these bastards pretending to be democrats talk about human rights, but they want to transfer people like cattle to another country. No one's opinion interests them.
              Nothing, everything has its time, we will wait in the wings.
              1. Natan bruk Offline
                Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 11: 24
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                With Crimea just the opposite is true. Here the Kremlin stated unequivocally that Crimea is Russian territory on the basis of a referendum, there can be no negotiations with Ukraine on this issue, etc. If such a statement were made in relation to the Kuril Islands, then further negotiations on this subject would disappear by themselves. But the Kremlin is avoiding such a clear statement regarding the Kuril Islands. Just think - why?
                1. 123 Offline
                  123 (123) 26 May 2020 14: 52
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                  With Crimea just the opposite is true. Here the Kremlin stated unequivocally that Crimea is Russian territory on the basis of a referendum, there can be no negotiations with Ukraine on this issue, etc. If such a statement were made in relation to the Kuril Islands, then further negotiations on this subject would disappear by themselves. But the Kremlin is avoiding such a clear statement regarding the Kuril Islands. Just think - why?

                  And what negotiations are underway? As far as I remember, they are not planned.
                  There are several reasons.
                  Continuity and policy coherence. Negotiations have been going on for almost 65 years. After that, just turn around 180 degrees and say - we changed our minds, so it will turn into Trump. Who then believes the word of the Kremlin? At a minimum, justification is needed. Let's see what happens after the Constitution is amended.
                  To make such a statement now means almost automatically dismissing Shinzo Abe (he’ll suddenly open his tummy at his father’s grave), almost completely stop economic cooperation and aggravate the military confrontation. While the "Kuril carrot" is kept in front of the Japanese. The new leadership will be extremely anti-Russian, because a vivid example of the failure of the predecessor's policy will be before our eyes. This is about how to blame Erdogan. The pretzel is still there, but taking it is not profitable, the Turks under the USA will fall.
                  1. Natan bruk Offline
                    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 27 May 2020 09: 19
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                    But the Turks are not members of NATO and are allies of the United States? And how, by the way, can Russia overthrow Erdogan? And about Japan, this is nothing more than excuses. Russia really needs economic cooperation and Japanese technology, and therefore games with carrots. In Japan, heads of government change quite regularly, and the policy towards Russia is about the same.
                    1. 123 Offline
                      123 (123) 27 May 2020 09: 28
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                      But the Turks are not members of NATO and are allies of the United States?

                      Consist and are, however, as the Greeks, too, are composed and also are.

                      And how, by the way, can Russia overthrow Erdogan?

                      It would be more correct to ask why she needs this? But how, there are methods. Not so long ago it was enough just not to interfere .....

                      And about Japan, this is nothing more than excuses. Russia really needs economic cooperation and Japanese technology, which is why carrot games

                      First of all, Russia does not need an openly anti-Russian state in the neighborhood. Economic cooperation is also welcome. Technologies? Perhaps they are needed, but not sure. What kind of technology do you want to get from the Japanese? Or are you out of habit, about a gas station?

                      In Japan, heads of government change quite regularly, and the policy towards Russia is about the same.

                      The other will not be until the Yankees go home.
                      1. Natan bruk Offline
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 27 May 2020 21: 24
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                        And, so you want to say that in the days of the USSR, the "country of people's democracy" were Soviet puppets? Yes, and what is Japan’s anti-Russianism? Certainly not bigger than any European country. About technology is generally funny. Do you start to list? So it is precisely the desire to receive technology and investment that does not allow the Kremlin to say something definite. And what about Erdogan - do you seriously believe these tales that the Kremlin saved Erdogan? :)))
                      2. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 21: 50
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                        And, so you want to say that in the days of the USSR, the "country of people's democracy" were Soviet puppets?

                        I want to say that Japan is now a US puppet.

                        Yes, and what is Japan’s anti-Russianism?

                        If you don’t know, there is no peace treaty. Recall that you just talked about Syria? And are you still trying to read lectures about double standards? belay

                        About technology is generally funny. Do you start to list?

                        Ага. yes Do a favor.

                        So it is precisely the desire to receive technology and investment that does not allow the Kremlin to say something specific

                        To say that there is no investment at all, I believe, is not correct. Here the UN tells interesting things:

                        In 2019, the United States of America was the most attractive country for foreign investors. In second place is China. Foreign direct investment inflows to Russia doubled, while in the European Union countries decreased by 15 percent.

                        https://news.un.org/ru/story/2020/01/1371121

                        And it’s not for a representative of a country receiving money from the United States to talk about dependence on investments.

                        And what about Erdogan - do you seriously believe these tales that the Kremlin saved Erdogan? :)))

                        I believe it. Moscow helped him. And you, I suppose, do not believe? Should I smile too?
                      3. Natan bruk Offline
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 28 May 2020 07: 37
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                        Well, and what kind of evidence do you have that “Moscow helped him” during the rebellion, except for statues in “patriotic” publications from “specialists”? As for money from the United States, American aid makes up about 3% of the budget, all of which go to arms. But Israeli technology is in demand all over the world. Including in Russia. And about the lack of a peace treaty - maybe you do not know, Russia has diplomatic relations with Japan, trade, tourism, as well as unconditional surrender, so in general a peace treaty is more a formality. As for investments - they themselves are a good thing, I just pointed out the reason why the Kremlin avoids making unambiguous statements about the islands. So after all, were the VO countries puppets of the USSR?
                      4. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 28 May 2020 09: 45
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                        Well, and what kind of evidence do you have that “Moscow helped him” during the rebellion, except for statues in “patriotic” publications from “specialists”?

                        Are you hoping to see a certificate and a letter of thanks from Erdogan?

                        As for money from the United States, American aid makes up about 3% of the budget, all of which go to arms. But Israeli technology is in demand all over the world. Including in Russia.

                        Well, of course. yes You have an interesting point of view, laughing they say, we are all so proud and independent of ourselves, we take money, but a little, and spend on war, and our technologies are everywhere, and you are all so clumsy, the Japanese are begging for investments (even though there are so many of them) and you want technologies from them ( True, I won’t say which ones), and therefore you cannot say words against. laughing Did I understand the point of view correctly? sad

                        And about the lack of a peace treaty - maybe you do not know, Russia has diplomatic relations with Japan, trade, tourism, as well as unconditional surrender, so in general a peace treaty is more a formality.

                        Well, of course. yes These are two big differences, in one case we have tourism and deep. relations, in another case, we just constantly bomb them a little bit. winked And therefore, in one case, a peace treaty is a formality, and in another it is a very useful and necessary thing. Indeed, in his absence, you can safely bomb. Just amazing belay as I did not immediately understand. request
                        I was thinking what maybe we, too, should bomb the Japanese a little bit? There is no peace treaty, they have territorial claims (just like the Syrians), and they keep the Americans on their territory, and they directly consider Iran as enemies and threaten to destroy us.
                        In general, in one case, a peace treaty is crucial, in the other case a simple formality. sad
                        It’s not by chance that you talked about double standards here? winked

                        As for investments - they themselves are a good thing, I just pointed out the reason why the Kremlin avoids making unambiguous statements about the islands.

                        C'mon, don’t tell. You will probably laugh, but the leaders in US investment, then the Chinese with the Germans and somewhere in line, the Japanese.
                        With Ukraine and the Baltic states, apparently, the same? The Kremlin is silent, waiting for investment. smile

                        So after all, were the VO countries puppets of the USSR?

                        Why such a genuine interest in this topic? How a toast for your independence will sound drinks and discuss this topic. Greetings to the American curators. hi
                      5. Natan bruk Offline
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 28 May 2020 17: 00
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                        Well expected, of course. There is zero evidence of “saving Erdogan,” but it’s so nice to think that we are his saviors. As for Japan, it is also quite expected - to pretend that you do not understand what it is about. Well, I can repeat - Japan signed the Act of unconditional surrender. Syria signed it? Is there at least a truce with Syria? No, and in the act of ceasefire Syria, it turns out, insisted on the record that the ceasefire is not a truce. Write again or have you already understood the difference? I’m not talking about diplomatic relations, trade and tourism. But the world was offered more than once, But Assad rejected it. We will have to repeat it again, since you apparently have problems understanding what has been written - why was the Syrian-Israeli border absolutely calm for over 40 years? But because until Assad invited Shiite Islamic fascists in the person of Hezbollah and the IRGC, screaming about the destruction of Israel and immediately began to prepare the infrastructure of terror, no one needed him. Assad has been warned more than once. Did not listen - pay the price. Does Japan make any statements about the destruction of Russia? Huh? By the way, their allies, the Americans, also did not allow themselves any statements about their intention to destroy Russia, they also had diplomatic relations with Russia, tourism and trade, and Japan in this case has every right to host the forces of its ally. As for investments, the Kremlin does not want to lose any, including Japanese ones, since there are few of them at all. It was still not enough to lose American, European and Chinese .. And why do you so avoid the answer to the question, were the "countries of people's democracy" Soviet puppets? And such an interest, because it is ridiculous to read that Japan supposedly does not have sovereignty, but it is bashfully silent about the situation in the "socialist countries." And it is clear that if it were not for the collapse of the USSR, they would have remained in the same position today. At the same time, Japan has much more freedom of action, the countries of the "socialist camp" had to strictly obey the overlord, otherwise there will be Prague-1968. And it didn’t occur to us why these “socialist countries” ran away from Russia together as soon as this became possible? Probably all of them are big Russophobes :)))
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                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 28 May 2020 17: 28
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                        By the way, until the beginning of the 1970s, the United States supported Israel a little less than nothing, but Israel survived quite well, and even managed to defeat the combined Arab armies in several wars, and with comprehensive Soviet support. In the 1973 war, the United States helped with armaments, but there were no American advisers or even more directly involved in the war. Unlike the Soviet military on the side of the Arabs. As a result, again the shameful defeat of the Arab army and the grave political defeat of the USSR. From the very beginning (from the 50s) the Soviet Union put on the wrong horse, but with tenacity worthy of a better application, continued to put on it with the same predictable result. So, even today, Israel could have survived without the United States, if it could from 1948 to the 70s. Today it is generally a different country, incomparably stronger and more developed. Of course, the level would be lower
                        but they certainly would have survived. And why refuse the help of friends who for half a century have proved their support and loyalty to an ally? And our cooperation is completely mutually beneficial, the United States receives a lot of Israeli technology and patents and the friendship is real. So, to read about Israel’s lack of independence is not just funny, but very funny. Probably only the DPRK is truly independent :))) They have independence from common sense :)))) But they have every right to idolize their pig, watch and listen to what their native party will say, live cold and hungry, and in case of damage to the portrait of his god-like have the right to revenge for a long time in the camp. And what, it is his inalienable right. They also have the right to never go abroad, except if the party sends money to earn money under the strict supervision of special services :)))
                      7. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 28 May 2020 17: 56
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                        Well expected, of course. There is zero evidence of “saving Erdogan,” but it’s so nice to think that we are his saviors.

                        You can assume that there was no coup attempt at all.

                        As for Japan, it is also quite expected - to pretend that you do not understand what it is about. Well, I can repeat - Japan signed the Act of unconditional surrender. Syria signed it? Is there at least a truce with Syria? No, and in the act of ceasefire Syria, it turns out, insisted on the record that the ceasefire is not a truce. Write again or have you already understood the difference?

                        And who is to blame for you? The Kwantung Army was brought to its knees in less than 2 weeks. Since they could not disperse the Syrian partisans, this is your problem. Learn to fight.

                        I’m not talking about diplomatic relations, trade and tourism. But the world was offered more than once, but Assad rejected it.

                        Apparently, this was suggested, I don’t know, we somehow succeed with the Japanese, and not only with them. Try diplomats to send Lavrov for an internship.

                        We will have to repeat it again, since you apparently have problems understanding what has been written - why was the Syrian-Israeli border absolutely calm for over 40 years? But because until Assad invited Shiite Islamic fascists in the person of Hezbollah and the IRGC, screaming about the destruction of Israel and immediately began to prepare the infrastructure of terror, no one needed him. Assad has been warned more than once. Did not listen - pay the price.

                        The border was calm until your sponsors decided that they are now the owners in Syria. The Anglo-Saxon Nazis invaded the country, bombed in the Stone Age, brought Igilovites and other abomination. If not for this, neither the Iranians nor Hezbollah would have appeared there. Try to express claims to Trump.

                        Does Japan make any statements about the destruction of Russia? Huh? By the way, their allies, the Americans, also did not allow themselves any statements about their intention to destroy Russia, they also had diplomatic relations with Russia, tourism and trade, and Japan in this case has every right to host the forces of its ally.

                        Japan makes claims about our territory, this is the path to war.
                        Americans have simply been doing this for the past 70 years. If the whole thing is rhetoric, ask Iran not to make high-profile statements and let yourself quietly build bases on your borders, like the Americans on ours. How do you like this option?
                        Japan, of course, has the right to host allied forces, however, like Syria in its own. What are their complaints?

                        As for investments, the Kremlin does not want to lose any, including Japanese ones, since there are few of them at all. It was not enough to lose American, European and Chinese.

                        It is impossible to seriously discuss Japanese investments, 350 million dollars a year are such trifles. Less than 1% falls on Russia.

                        https://mustread.kpmg.ru/interviews/esli-politika-chasto-menyaetsya-investor-etogo-ochen-boitsya/

                        What does American and European investment have to do with it? It’s not clear, especially Chinese.

                        And why do you so avoid the answer to the question, were the "countries of people's democracy" Soviet puppets?

                        I do not avoid, I just do not answer. Firstly, this has nothing to do with this topic. Secondly, why do you need this? To say in the future that Europeans are equal allies, and the ATS are "puppets"?
                        If you want to discuss the degree of dependence, do not worry, the case will still be presented. yes

                        And such an interest, because it is ridiculous to read that Japan supposedly does not have sovereignty, but it is bashfully silent about the situation in the "socialist countries." And it is clear that if it were not for the collapse of the USSR, they would have remained in the same position today. At the same time, Japan has much more freedom of action, the countries of the "socialist camp" had to strictly obey the overlord, otherwise there will be Prague-1968.

                        Why is silent? A country deploying foreign troops on its territory is losing some of its sovereignty. It is obvious. As for the degree of freedom - do not tell. laughing Let the Japanese try to shift the current government to pro-Russian and at the same time a little shoot at the Americans. It will be interesting to observe their “freedom of action”.

                        And it didn’t occur to us why these “socialist countries” ran away from Russia together as soon as this became possible? Probably all of them are big Russophobes. :)))

                        This is the usual behavior of allies. yes As soon as problems begin, they dissolve in the fog. I hope we will still see how Americanophobes scatter together from the NATO stables. smile Everything goes to this. yes
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                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 28 May 2020 19: 34
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                        Thank you, have fun again. :))) There was, of course, an attempt at a coup, but you did not have any evidence of any involvement of Russia in the suppression of the rebellion. Well, besides the statues in the icteric cheers-patriotic media. Well, and about "learning to fight," we knelt in 6 days the combined armies of 5 Arab countries, many times superior to the Israeli army and littered with modern Soviet weapons at that time. But you, who are indignant, can’t disperse the partisans from the Syrian opposition, which has neither air defense nor aviation. So this is exactly your problem. Learn to fight. And the border was calm precisely because while Assad was sitting like a mouse under a broom, nobody needed him. But when the Civil War began, and it began because Assad, wanting to maintain the rule of the Alavites, who in Syria are less than 20%, continued to tighten the screws and still took the thread, invited the Shiite Islamofascists, although he was urged not to do so, he paid and continues to pay for help from the devil. And the nonsense in the style of the newspaper "Pravda" about the Nazis, leave the audience Kissel-TV. You first take an interest in what Nazism is. By the way, just in Syria, the Nazi party was officially authorized - the National Socialist Party with all its signs of terry Nazism.
                      9. Natan bruk Offline
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 28 May 2020 19: 57
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                        Yes, about sovereignty - foreign troops are NOT stationed in Israel - that means Israel is an absolutely sovereign state. And by the way, than, say, living in a completely sovereign North Korean concentration camp, any normal person would prefer "not sovereign" Japan and South Korea with their rights and freedoms. Hurray patriots, of course, do not think so. But to put them in the place of the average North Korean, on the same day they will be horrified to beg to take them away from such a "sovereign" state.
                      10. 123 Offline
                        123 (123) 28 May 2020 20: 14
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                        Thank you, we had fun again :))) There was, of course, an attempt at a coup, but you haven’t had any evidence of any involvement of Russia in suppressing the rebellion

                        And who said that they helped to suppress the rebellion? belay We are not punitive. request

                        Well, and about "learning to fight," we knelt in 6 days the combined armies of 5 Arab countries, many times superior to the Israeli army and littered with modern Soviet weapons at that time.

                        But didn’t they sign the act of surrender? Forgot to celebrate or paper out? laughing

                        But you, who are indignant, can’t disperse the partisans from the Syrian opposition, which has neither air defense nor aviation. So this is exactly your problem. Learn to fight.

                        They dispersed all those whom the “supergalactic coalition” of 86 could not disperse, or how many countries were there? 100 500?
                        The remnants are more likely due to the “graters” with the neighbors, but this is temporary.

                        And the border was calm precisely because, while Assad was sitting like a mouse under a broom, nobody needed him. But when the Civil War began, and it began because Assad, wanting to maintain the rule of the Alavites, who in Syria are less than 20%, continued to tighten the screws and still took the thread, invited the Shiite Islamofascists, although he was urged not to do so, he paid and continues to pay for help from the devil.

                        He continues to pay for the fact that the Americans were allowed to turn into a world killer. How the civil war began, everyone in the know, like the whole "Arab spring". The role of the United States in these events is no secret either.

                        And the nonsense in the style of the newspaper "Pravda" about the Nazis, leave the audience Kissel-TV. You first take an interest in what Nazism is. By the way, just in Syria, the Nazi party was officially authorized - the National Socialist Party with all its signs of terry Nazism.

                        Why nonsense? In addition to anti-Semitism, Nazism is also characterized by racism.

                        Against the resolution on the fight against the glorification of Nazism, as usual, two countries voted, the United States and Ukraine.

                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4198791

                        Surely they forced Kiselev. yes How they work is far from a secret. Look, find 10 differences in the handwriting.



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    GRF 26 May 2020 09: 29
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    Few know what they are. There was no and no definite Russian statement on this subject.

    Putin has already answered this topic:

    We have no territorial problems with Japan, this Japan believes that it has territorial problems, but we are ready to discuss this.

    It’s just that there are times when people because of the fact that they don’t have a chance to talk out - they commit stupid things, and why - because they listen to these American “experts” (they, of course, don’t get into other people's affairs), which only in their own selfish interests, for they do not indicate the documentary justification of their position.
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      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 11: 28
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      And what exactly is “to discuss?” Why not make a clear statement about the impossibility of negotiations on this topic? After all, then any theoretical possibility of transferring the islands would immediately disappear. So, not everything is so simple.
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        GRF 26 May 2020 14: 24
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        Well, they are, like, offended, not as economically active as they could. We are trying to find an option in which they could save their face so that at the wrong time they would not be set on us. But they don’t need to see this, so Shinzo Abe, who worships his traditions, needs to be reminded of the spectacular hara-kiri ...
        As you can see, there is still some understatement for discussions.
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          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 14: 33
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          How how? Japan will be poisoned and it will attack Russia? Do not smack nonsense, it hurts. In the case of an unambiguous Russian statement about the fundamental impossibility of discussing such topics, the maximum that could be - Japan would stop economic cooperation. But, apparently, the Kremlin would not like this very much, therefore this stupid game continues.
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    Dust (Sergei) 26 May 2020 09: 38
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    The indigenous population of the islands - Ainu! Ainu populated the islands from Hokkaido to Kamchatka. Ainu at one time voluntarily became part of the Russian Empire! When the Japanese found out about this, they attacked the Ainu territory .... The Russian Empire could not defend the territory, because at that time it did not possess military power in that area. In general, the question should be different. On the return of Hokkaido to Russia! Original Russian territory.
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    Netyn (Netyn) 26 May 2020 09: 45
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    The best course for Japan, the text says, is the lag of sovereignty over all four disputed islands.

    For starters, Japan itself needs to gain sovereignty.
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      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 26 May 2020 11: 31
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      The countries of "people's democracy" (OVD) also did not have sovereignty, were they puppets of the USSR?