How Russia Turned the Mistral Purchase Failure Into Its Victory

25 May 2020

Ten years ago, Russia signed a contract with the French government for the construction of two Mistral-class landing ships, spending more than one billion euros on this. But the sanctions imposed against Moscow by the collective West foiled this deal. Helicopter carriers built, but resold to Egypt, and Russia received a penalty and technical ship documentation. In addition, Moscow signed a contract with Egypt for the supply of Ka-52K helicopters.

The Chinese edition of Sohu believes that Russia ultimately turned the failure with the purchase of the French Mistral into its victory. In Russia, a contract was signed for the construction of two landing ships of domestic production - analogues of French ships. Work in the near future will begin at the Zaliv shipyard in Crimean Kerch. Sohu experts believe that the new helicopter carriers will be comparable to the Mistral displacement, that is, about 20 thousand tons.

How Russia Turned the Mistral Purchase Failure Into Its Victory

Experts note that the dimensions of the ship will be about 234 meters in length and 40 meters in width. On their board will be 16-18 helicopters that will take off simultaneously from 6 points.

Chinese experts emphasize that during the construction of helicopter carriers, Russia will gain invaluable experience that can be applied in other projects in the future.

Photos used: Masur / wikimedia.org

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Offline Bulanov

Bulanov (Vladimir) 25 May 2020 16: 51

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If the USA and the EU did not support the Maidan in Kiev in 2014, France would continue to sell its Mistrals to Russia further. Crimea would remain with Ukraine and then Russia would not be able to intervene so successfully in Syrian affairs. And the Americans could have overthrown Erdogan and prevented the sale of the S-400 to Turkey.
Now, after the impoverishment of Ukraine, it does not have the means to buy EU products.
Crimea passed to Russia. The Russian military received the experience of war. And what did the USA and the EU gain? - The turn of Russia towards China is the worst nightmare of the Anglo-Saxons.
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  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 May 2020 17: 11
  
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  ... then Russia could not have successfully intervened in Syrian affairs ... and prevented the sale of the S-400 to Turkey.
  
  - is it really necessary? And what did this sale especially bring?
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    radiootdel4 (Vladimir) 26 May 2020 15: 55
    
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    What did this sale really give?
    
    - gave a lot. Opportunity to earn, additionally tie Turkey to itself, drive a wedge into NATO, somewhat alienate Turkey from the SGA and vice versa bring it closer to Russia, additionally show the Middle East the growing role of Russia in the region. Although on the whole the political aspect of this transaction is significantly superior to the economic ... But the economy is also in the black.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 26 May 2020 16: 28
      
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      And what came of it?
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    Dear sofa expert. 27 May 2020 08: 28
    
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    And what did this sale especially bring? ..
    
    Gave money for newer developments.
2. Offline Igor Pavlovich
  
  Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 25 May 2020 18: 08
  
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  The turn of Russia towards China is the worst nightmare of the Anglo-Saxons ...
  
  - the Russian "elite" with a sense of deep satisfaction accepts its historiosophical return to the native harbor of the Yuan Empire, threatening the haughty Anglo-Saxon from the Chinese convoy: "We are with great China, 1,5 billion people."
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    radiootdel4 (Vladimir) 26 May 2020 16: 05
    
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    What does the elite have to do with and what kind of harbor are you talking about, who, whom and what is threatening? What are you talking about?
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  Bitter 25 May 2020 23: 34
  
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  Now after impoverishment ...
  
  And before that, they were rowing goods from the EU.
  Today's Ukraine does not represent, first of all, a sales market for goods from the EU, but rather an "experimental construction site" for investments, money laundering and the acquisition of real estate and land. But for the Anglo-Saxons it is very important that Russia is losing this 40-million-strong market, but gaining a problematic ambitious and envious neighbor.
  
  The Russian military received the experience of war. And what did the USA and the EU gain?
  
  Yes, they, like, also flew and fired, with the Kurds in Syria, too, are still messing around and do not let go far from themselves. In general, they will not have to take up experience in those parts.
  
  Russia's turn towards China is the worst nightmare of the Anglo-Saxons.
  
  You, my friend, are not deprived of a sense of humor.
  But what about a turn towards India? Or Africa? In general, it is not clear how these Anglo-Saxons can sleep at all, at night and with the lights off.
  By the way, these same Anglo-Saxons have already been there more than once. They probably have long-term "bookmarks" there.
  There is a lot of work for Russia everywhere and experience, which has no equivalent in the world, may be, and will be again acquired.
  Although, it seems, the country did not form yesterday and the experience in smart heads, books, universities and ministries seemed to be preserved, multiplied and skillfully applied.
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  Natan bruk (Nathan Brook) 26 May 2020 03: 30
  
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  What kind of "war"? Against oslolyubov on carts?
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  nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 3 June 2020 18: 35
  
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  The main prize is the rejection of the Mistral! Highly qualified experts talk about some special benefits from technical documentation and almost copying. Firstly, the instance that was planned for the Far East, clearly could not be operated without problems due to the fact that the ships were not designed for the cold region. Secondly, they were built according to civilian technologies, and their cases, respectively, were lightened, I heard about difficulties with maintenance, but did not dig deep, because they were no longer supplied. Armaments are installed on pledged vessels, larger in size, i.e. ships will definitely get reinforced hulls, and other engines.
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Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 May 2020 17: 10

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And at least one failure did not turn into a victory on the ideological front?
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gorenina91 (Irina) 25 May 2020 18: 02

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Russia really counted on these Mistrals ... - Most likely, Russia wanted to apply them in the Middle East ...
- And who knows ... - maybe Russia would not support Assad military (as she does now); if it were known that France, with these Mistrals, would back down ...

How Russia Turned the Mistral Purchase Failure Into Its Victory

- Yes, it can hardly be called a victory ... - And what kind of "experience" Russia gained ... - Is Russia going to churn out its own Mistrals on its own now ??? Yes, and it was only necessary ... - two or three ... - it was easier to buy ...
- Once upon a time, more than a hundred years ago, due to the thoughtlessness of its tsarist leadership, Russia did not purchase (did not buy) cruisers and armadillos from Chile and Argentina ... -and ... and ... and - blasted Tsushima with a bang ...
- Personally, I do not draw any analogy ...- it is not visible here at all ... - But nevertheless - when you plan something, then any little thing can play a significant role ...
Offline Sergey Latyshev

Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 May 2020 20: 33

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Something and a photo of the UDC on the plan is somehow strange, and announcing "overrides" in advance is also very strange.
Chinese "experts" - they are such "experts" ....
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Bitter 25 May 2020 22: 55

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Russia turned the failure with the purchase of the Mistral into its victory.

It couldn't have been otherwise. There is probably a simple principle, according to the American system, applied. The main thing is participation, and over time it will be possible to turn and reshuffle facts. So, as if not just "I was there, I drank honey and beer ...", but wow, how he outwitted everyone and won.

during the construction of helicopter carriers, Russia will gain invaluable experience ...

Russia already has vast experience in many matters and spheres, but there is a problem in its application. After all, so many "bosses" have divorced and each subsequent one, having seized the steering wheel, "forgets" everything that came before him and drives as he wants.
So, buy popcorn and watch new acquisitions.
It is surprising why the Chinese did not offer to buy such boats from them?
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alexandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 26 May 2020 10: 14

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Quote: Arkharov
... then Russia could not have successfully intervened in Syrian affairs ... and prevented the sale of the S-400 to Turkey.

- is it really necessary? And what did this sale especially bring?

Approached the collapse of NATO. She showed all the trash that had fled there that there was solidarity.
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  Bitter 27 May 2020 09: 18
  
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  Approached the collapse of NATO.
  
  With the collapse of NATO, it is similar, as with many other victories. This is one of the most successful projects of the new Russian politics. Over the past thirty years of the collapse of NATO by Russia, the first, in fact, gradually disintegrated, especially in the direction of eastern Europe, and even laid its shadow on some former fraternal republics of "freeloaders".
  In fact, over the past thirty years, Russian leaders have managed to prove to everyone that breaking is not building, and in this regard they have "unparalleled" experience in breaking up and selling all kinds of unions, communities, blocs, and most importantly, the will to do so.
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alexandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 26 May 2020 10: 21

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Quote: gorenina91
Russia really counted on these Mistrals ... - Most likely, Russia wanted to apply them in the Middle East ...
- And who knows ... - maybe Russia would not support Assad military (as she does now); if it were known that France, with these Mistrals, would back down ...

How Russia Turned the Mistral Purchase Failure Into Its Victory

- Yes, it can hardly be called a victory ... - And what kind of "experience" Russia gained ... - Is Russia going to churn out its own Mistrals on its own now ??? Yes, and it was only necessary ... - two or three ... - it was easier to buy ...
- Once upon a time, more than a hundred years ago, due to the thoughtlessness of its tsarist leadership, Russia did not purchase (did not buy) cruisers and armadillos from Chile and Argentina ... -and ... and ... and - blasted Tsushima with a bang ...
- Personally, I do not draw any analogy ...- it is not visible here at all ... - But nevertheless - when you plan something, then any little thing can play a significant role ...

Right The battleships bought from America and their own built changed the nature of naval warfare. Victory in war is not armadillos. This is a huge bunch of factors. The year 1945 showed that armadillos were not needed to defeat the Kwantung Army of Japan.
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  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 26 May 2020 14: 36
  
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  Most interesting, were these armadillos or not? And would England sell them? After all, ships were built in the UK.
  Actually, Her Majesty's Navy has acquired two Suiftshur-class battleships. These were "Swiftsure" at the bookmark - "Constitucion" and "Triumph" at the bookmark - "Libertad". The speed is decent, the armor is weak, the artillery is 254 mm (not enough for those times). According to the Russian classification, these were battleships of the second rank. In the opinion of the British admirals, they did not fit into the structure of the Royal Navy. We bought them so that they would not go to Russia.
  
  From the memoirs of Kokovtsev.
  
  This business dragged on for a long time. It spoiled a lot of blood for me, but it ended almost anecdotally. After endless conversations and meetings, it was decided to buy four Chilean armadillos, their names were also known, the selling price for them was set at 58 million rubles payable in Paris through the Rothschild house, but not otherwise than at the time of receipt of the telegram and acceptance ships under our command. Admiral Abaza was ordered to go to Paris to negotiate there, but the money was not entrusted to him.
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  The Admiral waited a long time for its intermediaries and commission agents, but did not wait. Vyshnegradsky also sat in vain to pay the price, and both of them returned with nothing.
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  Were these Chilean armadillos really real or, as I think, they never existed at all. The Chilean government did not even think of selling them to us, and the whole cunningly conceived enterprise existed only in the imagination of all kinds of intermediaries, counting on the frivolity of our representatives.
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  The sovereign has repeatedly told me that he is quite sure that all this was conceived with the aim of obtaining our money without giving us any courts.
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Dear sofa expert. 27 May 2020 08: 31

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Work in the near future will begin at the Zaliv shipyard in Crimean Kerch.

It is there, in the World Cup, that they are needed. Distill is not required.
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alexandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 27 May 2020 14: 19

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Approached the collapse of NATO.

With the collapse of NATO, it is similar, as with many other victories. This is one of the most successful projects of the new Russian politics. Over the past thirty years of the collapse of NATO by Russia, the first, in fact, gradually disintegrated, especially in the direction of eastern Europe, and even laid its shadow on some former fraternal republics of "freeloaders".
In fact, over the past thirty years, Russian leaders have managed to prove to everyone that breaking is not building, and in this regard they have "unparalleled" experience in breaking up and selling all kinds of unions, communities, blocs, and most importantly, the will to do so.

With the analytical abilities of your brain, located at the level of an amoeba .....
Our troubles began MUCH earlier. Since the construction of the country on a national basis. Monolithic Russia, which does not have in its composition territorial entities tied to nationalities (Kazan province is one thing, and Tatarstan is quite another), for centuries, with its monolith, reflected the misfortunes of enemies. Is there no consideration to assess the strength of countries in which Kurdistan, Ireland, Scotland, Wallonia, (let us skip the USSR, everything is clear here) .... An isolated, and constantly lagging behind in its development economy. Can't you see that we are always good at only what is achieved by BATTLE. Extreme mobilization, restriction in everything else, which is not on the edge? When was normal, daily, creative work practically the exception? And the prepared ground for collapse, laid by comrades Lenin and Stalin. When it was still ..., it kept up and worked, but as soon as life worsened, lies, deceit, postscripts and fraud became obvious to everyone, we ALL decided that, having separated, we would stop feeding the snickering neighbors. Don't you remember the results of the referendum on secession from the USSR? Wherever you live - in Russia, Estonia, Ukraine ..... And ready-made borders, along which the once united and indivisible Russia collapsed.

We have a small republic - Mordovia. It has no boundaries between nations within itself. Moksha, Erzya, and Shoksha, the smallest. And they consider themselves ONE. The language is very different, customs .... But, ONE.
If someone wants to embroil them, he will make a division into regions, areas inside Mordovia - Mokshanskaya, Erzyanskaya, Shokshanskaya - and that's all, in a couple of years they will fight over a meadow near the river, remembering who and what peoples grazed cattle there. In "Virgin Land Upturned" by Sholokhov, Davydov was explained the reason for the spring fights of the Cossacks over the plots? "BETWEEN THE GUILTY".