Mastering the Moon: Russia has been assigned the “role of a servant” in the USA


American business acumen inevitably arouses respect. Step by step, the United States is increasingly becoming a "hegemon" not only on Earth, but also on the Moon. Some time ago, President Donald Trump in absentia “privatized” minerals on our natural satellite.


Now, bypassing the UN, NASA is pushing through the so-called “Artemis Accords”, according to which all managerial threads in outer space will be tied to the “Washington Switch”. With all this, for Russia in the "new marvelous world" a place, if any, is somewhere in the wings of the United States.

The topic of moon exploration is extremely controversial. First of all, what resources can we talk about? There are iron, aluminum and titanium on the Earth’s satellite, but their commercial development and delivery to Earth with current technologies is not practical. Also there is water necessary for the exploration of the moon and flights to Mars and deep space. There is a helium-3 element in the lunar surface, which can serve as fuel for promising thermonuclear reactors. The problem is that in reality such of technologies Today, no, these are all projects of the future.

If we talk about the development of our only satellite as a business, then it, on the whole, gives the impression of a “moon bubble”. It is noteworthy that the role of private space companies has grown sharply, which, with active PR from the White House and NASA, will be able to enter the stock market by selling their shares to naive dreamers. With a high degree of probability, this will all end as another “dot-com collapse”, unless some major technological breakthrough occurs.

Nevertheless, the United States took the moon seriously: either they "clear the clearing" for themselves for the future, or the Pentagon is in the military interests, or all together. Legally, this topic is regulated by the Moon Treaty of 1967 and the Moon Agreement of 1979. By the way, neither Russia nor the United States joined the latter. The key provision of the Moon Treaty was that it was recognized as the common property of all mankind. But in 2015, the US Congress gave American companies the right to explore, mine and sell resources outside the Earth. A month ago, President Trump continued this line, allowing US companies to develop resources on the Earth’s satellite:

Outer space is, from a legal and physical point of view, a unique space for human activities, and the United States does not consider it as a public domain.

So, in a clear order, the “hegemon” de facto extended its jurisdiction to another planet. Now, bypassing the UN, NASA is promoting the so-called "Artemis Accords", which will bring many interesting innovations. For example, “security territories” may be introduced on the Moon, when approaching which, representatives of other countries will have to notify and coordinate so that “it is safe for everyone”. Space powers are also ordered to "disclose intelligence plans and provide scientific evidence." To whom to provide, it is known: naturally, NASA. Reuters, citing its sources in Washington, explained why this cannot be done on the basis of some other form of international cooperation:

The agreements of Artemis ”were drawn up in order to avoid the whole process through the UN, as otherwise the process will be too long, and work with countries without a space program will be unproductive.

Thus, the "hegemon" begins to establish its rules in near-Earth space. The most interesting thing is that, it turns out, for this dubious pleasure of joining the "Agreements of Artemis" as a "servant", our country will still have to fight. NASA spokesman Michael Gold explained that the United States will not leave us overboard if we participate in the program for building the Gateway near-moon station. Recall that earlier Roskosmos expressed dissatisfaction due to the fact that in this project, he speaks frankly on the sidelines.

Apparently, much has now changed, if the Russian state corporation, instead of sending the United States to hell with its “agreements,” has expressed a desire to explore the moon together with NASA.
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  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 12: 39
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    Recall that earlier Roskosmos expressed dissatisfaction due to the fact that in this project, he speaks frankly on the sidelines.

    To be on the first roles, for this you need to have the appropriate opportunity. Russia so far has neither the appropriate carrier, nor a manned spacecraft for flights to the moon. Until they appear, the role will be second. Plus, again, the issue of extremely limited funding for the Russian space program.

    Apparently, much has now changed, if the Russian state corporation, instead of sending the United States to hell with its “agreements,” has expressed a desire to explore the moon together with NASA.

    Maybe it has come to the realization that it’s better to participate in the second roles with the opportunity to go on the first then, than not to participate at all and not have such an opportunity.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 May 2020 14: 19
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      Quote: Cyril
      Maybe it has come to the realization that it’s better to participate in the second roles with the opportunity to go on the first then, than not to participate at all and not have such an opportunity.

      You forget about alternatives: for example, participation on an equal footing in a similar project, for example, with the PRC. Why again dance to the American tune, passing them their technology when designing the base?
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 14: 39
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        in a similar project, for example, with China.

        A project with China will not be equivalent.

        Why again dance to the American tune, passing them their technology when designing the base?

        And in case of a joint project, technologies will not be transferred to China?)
    2. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 25 May 2020 15: 28
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      The United States has no way at all. They can’t even deliver their astronauts to the ISS, much less about the moon.
      So, another shaking of the air, no more.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 15: 36
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        Go read the fake news, you do it best.
        1. shadow Offline shadow
          shadow 25 May 2020 15: 41
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          This is the jaundice to which you throw links and yell that this is the primary source?))) And you yourself admit that this is a humorous newspaper that publishes humorous fiction))).
          And when they throw official information to you, you can only write that everything around is inadequate, Pinocchio, logs, etc., since there is nothing more to say.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 15: 49
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            this is the source

            Right.

            And you yourself admit that this is a humorous newspaper)))

            Right.
            You were seduced by the fake news, first published in a humorous newspaper. And still being carried on.
            1. shadow Offline shadow
              shadow 25 May 2020 15: 55
              +1
              But I refer to the official program, where no one talks about your newspaper, and they talk about another publication that published an interview, which aroused the interest of many, but you can’t take this information.
              Here is the price of your words - a humorous newspaper.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 19: 27
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                but they talk about another publication that published the interview

                Yeah you can't find. However, it is impossible to find something that has never happened.

                Here is the price of your words - a humorous newspaper.

                Yours, not mine.
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    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 25 May 2020 17: 33
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      Maybe it has come to the realization that it’s better to participate in the second roles with the opportunity to go on the first then, than not to participate at all and not have such an opportunity.

      And how do you imagine entering the "first role"? Maybe it's time for you to realize that being on the sidelines is not acceptable for everyone. With such beliefs after the wedding, the risk of becoming henpecked is quite high. You would think about it.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 19: 40
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        Maybe it’s time for you to realize that you’re on the sidelines, it’s not acceptable for everyone.

        Do you understand that to implement the lunar program in the first roles, you need a very, very, very much money? Even the United States, whose NASA budget exceeds the budget of Roscosmos by several dozen, if not hundreds of times, now can not afford a completely independent national lunar program. The USSR could not afford it, which by command-administrative method could send huge funds to this - even it did not work out.

        National pride is good if it is supported by something. If not reinforced, it looks stupid.

        And there is no need to build the illusion that cooperation with the Chinese will be on an equal footing. They recently made the first launch of their new manned ship. China has already received all the space technologies currently used by Russia.

        With such beliefs after the wedding, the risk of becoming henpecked is quite high.

        And with such "national pride" there is a great chance to remain in a low reference orbit, when everyone else, who is in the first, who is in the second roles, will leave to explore the Moon.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 25 May 2020 20: 02
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          Do you understand that to implement the lunar program in the first roles, you need a very, very, very much money?

          Even the United States, whose NASA budget exceeds the budget of Roscosmos by several dozen, if not hundreds of times, now can not afford a completely independent national lunar program. The USSR could not afford it, which by command-administrative method could send huge funds to this - even it did not work out.

          Understanding this, the Americans are carefully pushing Russia out of the program.

          The question is simple. How will participation in the program in supporting roles allow Russia to take the lead? Get "priceless" experience in manufacturing a docking station according to American standards? Do you think this is enough?

          National pride is good if it is supported by something. If not reinforced, it looks stupid.

          National pride is always good. It is bad when a person diligently seeks flaws in it and is shy about being proud of his homeland.
          Do you think they are not backed up by anything? No country is the undisputed leader in all areas of activity. Let's talk about nuclear power or the icebreaker fleet. So, Americans should not be proud of their country?

          And there is no need to build the illusion that cooperation with the Chinese will be on an equal footing. They recently made the first launch of their new manned ship. China has already received all the space technologies currently used by Russia.

          Firstly, I did not say a word about cooperation with China. Secondly, since we have touched on this topic, let me quote you.

          Even the United States, whose NASA budget exceeds the budget of Roscosmos by several dozen, if not hundreds of times, now can not afford a completely independent national lunar program.

          It turns out the United States can not afford, but China can? Does he have a bigger budget? Or does he need technology less than the USA? After all, he “received everything” ...
          The option of cooperation with the Chinese, if only because of budget savings, is incredible for you?

          And with such "national pride" there is a great chance to remain in a low reference orbit, when everyone else, who is in the first, who is in the second roles, will leave to explore the Moon.

          Oh yeah, yes the new docking unit will allow us to rise to an unattainable height and not to lag behind progress. winked
          Until they left to explore the moon, let's wait a couple of days, if I'm not mistaken, is launch scheduled for 27? In the meantime, "moon racers" continue to fly into space on the "ancient" Unions. winked
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 20: 27
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            Understanding this, the Americans are carefully pushing Russia out of the program.

            Where do they push it out? They propose to make a gateway module, they propose to make a backup delivery system based on modified Unions.

            How will participation in the program in supporting roles allow Russia to take the lead? Get "priceless" experience in manufacturing a docking station according to American standards? Do you think this is enough?

            We will gain the experience of our people near the moon and on it. We get an idea of ​​whether the moon is worth it to spend on its development.

            You think she’s not backed up by anything? No country is the undisputed leader in all areas of activity. Let's talk about nuclear power or the icebreaker fleet.

            What does atomic energy and the icebreaker fleet have to do with it? We are talking about the space program in general and the lunar program as part of it.

            It turns out that the United States can not afford, but China can?

            I did not understand the essence of this question and how it follows from my words.

            After all, he “received everything” ...

            Read carefully - he received all the space technology that Russia can now offer him. Do you understand?

            The option of cooperation with the Chinese, if only because of budget savings, is incredible for you?

            And how will cooperation differ from cooperation with the USA? Do you think the Chinese will cooperate with Russia on equal terms?

            the new docking unit will allow us to rise to unattainable heights and keep up with progress

            The presence at the near-moon station will help to do this.

            In the meantime, "moon racers" continue to fly into space on the "ancient" Unions

            And?
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 25 May 2020 21: 27
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              Where do they push it out? They propose to make a gateway module, they propose to make a backup delivery system based on modified Unions.

              The gateway module and the backup delivery system is, as I understand it, their new offer? I would appreciate more detailed information.

              We will gain the experience of our people near the moon and on it. We get an idea of ​​whether the moon is worth it to spend on its development.

              Is working experience on the moon and its orbit so valuable? How does he help Americans? In order to have an idea of ​​whether the Meadows of development is worth it, it is not necessary to feel everything with your hands. Everything is described in detail in the article. In the foreseeable future, economic development cannot be achieved.

              What does atomic energy and the icebreaker fleet have to do with it? We are talking about the space program in general and the lunar program as part of it.

              Then let’s talk about it, and not drag national pride here.

              I did not understand the essence of this question and how it follows from my words

              And what is incomprehensible? Say, the United States can not afford development alone, expensive, so attract partners. You consider the cooperation between Russia and China impossible, because China does not need our technologies. Do not consider economic feasibility of cooperation?

              And how will cooperation differ from cooperation with the USA? Do you think the Chinese will cooperate with Russia on equal terms?

              Почему нет?
              By the way, even if they will not cooperate on an equal footing. Do you agree on the second roles with the USA, why is China worse? Doesn't it sound so pretty?

              And?

              And what? So far, these are all plans.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 22: 53
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                The gateway module and the backup delivery system is there I understand their new offer? I would appreciate more detailed information.

                From Wikipedia:

                At the end of September 2017, a joint statement was signed between Roscosmos and NASA which reported on the planning of work to create a visited station in the moonlight space. Possible creation of one to three modules: one of which is the most elaborate gateway module, as well as residential. It is also possible to create a transformable module and an additional energy module. Possible development of standards for a universal docking mechanism.

                October 2017 The head of Roskosmos Igor Komarov said that working groups have been set up in Russia and the United States to discuss the configuration of the near-moon station Deep Space Gateway, the docking centers and gateways will be made according to Russian standards. Russian experts will create a gateway module designed for spacewalks; module launch is scheduled for 2026.

                January 2019: Head of Roskosmos D. Rogozin said that NASA is asking the Russian side to develop a version of the Soyuz spacecraft that can fly to the moon in order to create a second backup transport system

                Unfigurable such "extrusion", is not it?

                Is working experience on the moon and its orbit so valuable?

                If not valuable, then why do we even need our own lunar station and a manned lunar program? To be?

                You consider the cooperation between Russia and China impossible, because China does not need our technologies.

                No not like this. Cooperation with China is possible, only it will also be on the sidelines for Russia.

                Do not consider economic feasibility of cooperation?

                What is it more expedient in terms of economy than cooperation with the USA?

                Почему нет?

                China has more money. The one who has more money in joint projects always dictates the conditions if the opposite side does not have leverage. Russia has transferred the technology of manned spacecraft and orbital stations to China for a long time. Moreover, China is already starting to outgrow them. Therefore, we do not have the technological leverage, China has money.

                Do you agree on the second roles with the USA, why is China worse? Doesn't it sound so pretty?

                Americans in space are a proven and reliable partner. For the entire ISS program or other cooperation in this area, they clearly and always complied with their contract clauses. China is a risky partner. This is the first reason.

                The second - the Americans have already developed the Lunar program, while China has it at the initial stage. Whatever separate logs might say, the Americans already had experience with manned flights to the moon. The Chinese (and us along with them) will have to start everything on their own.

                Third, the Japanese, Canadians and Europeans are likely to join the American project. These are broader opportunities for scientific cooperation and exchange of scientific experience. China, of course, has become a great fellow in science, very big, but the Europeans, Japanese and the USA still have more experience.

                And what? So far, that's all the plans.

                The lunar station will not have any relation to the ISS. The modules are new, the supply ship is new, the launch vehicle is new. The ship and the LV, by the way, are already embodied in the gland. Therefore, the reference to the ISS is incomprehensible.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 26 May 2020 00: 15
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                  Nifigovoe such "extrusion", is not it?

                  You're right, yes some extrusion.

                  September 2017 of the year.
                  1. Possible creation of one to three modules: one of which is the most sophisticated gateway module, as well as residential.
                  2. Also possible creation of a transformable module and an additional energy module.
                  3. Possible development of standards for a universal docking mechanism
                  A month passed, instead of three modules already remained -
                  October 2017 year.
                  1. Docking nodes and gateways will be made according to Russian standards.
                  [2. b] Gateway module [/ b] for spacewalks
                  A little time has passed and already ...
                  October 2017 year.

                  Roscosmosu in an international project trusted important part - construction of a small gateway module weighing 4,6 tons. Two-compartment module will be created under american standards on voltage in the power supply network and system interfaces. It will also be managed through American systems.

                  Russia is building a docking module, such as the Americans want. That's all. What are the prospects?
                  We completed the station, we must fly. On what? We buy a place from the Americans.
                  Where to live? We pay the Americans.
                  If we want more than a tourist trip, we ask for permission and pay for using the American module.
                  But in the beginning they planned a scientific and residential module. What is it if not extrusion?
                  January 2019 of the year.
                  Negotiations are underway that may be trusted

                  To develop a version of the Soyuz spacecraft capable of flying to the moon in order to create a second backup transport system

                  If not valuable, then why do we even need our own lunar station and a manned lunar program? To be?

                  That’s what I’m talking about. In this form is not needed. You need at least your residential and scientific modules and a delivery vehicle.

                  No not like this. Cooperation with China is possible, only it will also be on the sidelines for Russia.

                  China has more money. The one who has more money in joint projects always dictates the conditions if the opposite side does not have leverage. Russia has transferred the technology of manned spacecraft and orbital stations to China for a long time. Moreover, China is already starting to outgrow them. Therefore, we do not have the technological leverage, China has money.

                  Who cares? Exactly the same thing applies to the United States. Do you think that with the Americans any cooperation for happiness, even making pots, is not comme il faut with the Chinese? I do not see a single argument in favor of cooperation with the United States.

                  Americans in space are a proven and reliable partner. For the entire ISS program or other cooperation in this area, they clearly and always complied with their contract clauses. China is a risky partner. This is the first reason.

                  Come on. laughing The cooperation was international; China did not participate in the ISS program because the US was against it. The USA is consistently curtailing cooperation in all areas of activity; we are legislatively fixed as an adversary, together with the DPRK. Contracts with them are not worth the paper on which they are written. If they still do something, just because they cannot refuse it yet. Why do we need such a partner? And when did China let us down?

                  The second - the Americans have already developed the Lunar program, while China has it at the initial stage. Whatever separate logs might say, but the Americans already had experience with manned flights to the moon, the Chinese (and us together with them) will have to start everything ourselves.

                  A similar program was being worked out in our country, it was curtailed, but the best practices remained. The USA has lost a lot. Technology is recreated. Not that much of a difference. But in this way we will have our own experience, and not a "passenger" ride on an American ship.

                  Thirdly, the Japanese project, most likely, will be joined by the Japanese, Canadians and Europeans. These are more opportunities for scientific cooperation and exchange of scientific experience. China, of course, has become a great fellow in science, very large, but Europeans, Japanese and the USA still have more experience.

                  Space experience of Canada, of course, yes. You have forgotten the UAE, they are not against it either. In the manned space program, the Europeans do not shine, by the way, like the Japanese. Scientific experience can already be exchanged, there would be a desire.
                  As far as I remember, you initially had no doubts in terms of technology, money was considered a problem.

                  The lunar station will not have any relation to the ISS. The modules are new, the supply ship is new, the launch vehicle is new. The ship and the LV, by the way, are already embodied in the gland. Therefore, the reference to the ISS is incomprehensible.

                  What is incomprehensible here? Both that and another - while plans, and they, as you know, if they are implemented, often with delays. But if on the ISS they are at least close to completion, the lunar station is still just a fantasy. What is embodied in the iron - it will be seen until there is nothing.

                  But you quite rightly noted:

                  The modules are new, the supply ship is new, the launch vehicle is new.

                  They will create a new generation of technology. We will not get anything. A docking station by American standards, possibly a modernized Union. The Americans are our competitors who are not interested in our development and will try to slow it down. They will try to drag out negotiations so that there is no time left for development.
                  1. cmonman Offline cmonman
                    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 26 May 2020 23: 17
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                    Space experience of Canada, of course, yes.

                    Yes. In 1962, with its rocket, its satellite was the third country in the world.
                    Canada has invested in the ISS $ 1.5 billion. For a country with a population of 37.5 million people, the amount is huge.
                    And for space, she did no less than Russia. Canadian hand robots worked on shuttles and are now working on the ISS to dock ships with the station. And develop a hand for the lunar station.
                    And a lot of all sorts of different Canadian works on the ISS. They are not just carriers of shells, as Russia can become if it agrees with the Amer’s lunar program, but a full-fledged participant.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 27 May 2020 04: 27
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                      Taki - yes. In 1962, with its rocket, its satellite was the third country in the world.

                      Thank you for having fun. laughing The Alouette 1 satellite was launched using the Tor Agen B rocket from ....... California. winked If we talk about manned astronautics, the first Canadian in 1984 flew on an American shuttle, later such great space powers as Czechoslovakia, Poland, East Germany, Bulgaria, Hungary, Vietnam, Cuba, Mongolia, Romania and even a couple, their Saudi "conquerors of space not ahead smile

                      Canada has invested in the ISS $ 1.5 billion. For a country with a population of 37.5 million people, the amount is huge.

                      You need such "associates" yes they drag money, do what they say and do not shine.

                      And for space, she did no less than Russia.

                      Really? belay What is the name of the Canadian rocket?

                      Canadian hand robots worked on the Shuttles and are now working on the ISS to dock ships with the station. And develop a hand for the lunar station.

                      Let them first develop a leg, so as to jump to the cosmodrome, preferably their own.

                      And a lot of all sorts of different Canadian works on the ISS. They are not just carriers of shells, as Russia can become if it agrees with the Amer’s lunar program, but a full-fledged participant.

                      That's what I’m talking about. The "great space power" Canada is your full member, and Russia, if you agree, will be a "carrier". We do not need such cooperation.
                      Have a nice flight. Let the Canadian hand do you nice.
                      1. cmonman Offline cmonman
                        cmonman (Garik Mokin) 27 May 2020 15: 10
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                        So am I about that !!!
                        Russia is strong with its rocket, the Yenisei dam and ballet. AND Americans they want from Russia something intelligent for their lunar program - they have their own rockets ...
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 27 May 2020 15: 20
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                        So am I about that !!!
                        Russia is strong with a rocket, Yenisei dam and ballet. But the Americans want something intelligent from Russia for their lunar program - they have their own missiles ...

                        I think that the Americans themselves will cope, in extreme cases, the Canadians will change roles.
            2. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 23: 32
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              See which thing you found interesting:

              https://www.interfax.ru/world/580769

              Quote:

              It is agreed that China, India, Brazil and South Africa may take part in the project. According to the head of Roskosmos, participation in the BRICS project was approved by Russia and the United States.

              "Our initiative was taken into account in expanding the number of countries that can participate in the discussion of this project. It was determined that China, India and other BRICS countries will take part in joint work on the near-moon station," Komarov noted.

              That is, in the event of a refusal Russia may not have anyone to cooperate with.

              But as I understand it, Roskosmos will no longer turn its nose and has again joined in the negotiations.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 26 May 2020 21: 52
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                That is, in the event of a refusal Russia may not have anyone to cooperate with.
                But as I understand it, Roskosmos will no longer turn its nose and has again joined in the negotiations.

                Article for September 2017. repeat
                Yes, it all started well. yes

                It is agreed that China, India, Brazil and South Africa may take part in the project. According to the head of Roskosmos, participation in the BRICS project was approved by Russia and the United States.

                Where is China and India? Where is Brazil and South Africa? They do not need any cooperation, no cooperation is of interest, they want to be in charge.
                Only the retinue remained in the program. There will be no result, they just pull the time. What does it mean, there will not be anyone to cooperate with? All listed countries were squeezed out of the program.
              2. isofat Online isofat
                isofat (isofat) 26 May 2020 22: 04
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                CyrilWhat agreements have the US not yet violated?
    4. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 25 May 2020 20: 27
      0
      What is the first role? It’s just a concussion, as it always has been, to distract the public from the virus. That's all.
  • Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 May 2020 13: 34
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    I remember that the achievement of the lunar surface at Roscosmos was planned in 2015 ...

    Has anyone been held responsible? That's the whole role ...
    1. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 25 May 2020 15: 30
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      Moved, what's so wrong? Few people plan what. Plans may change. There is nothing like this. And here is the responsibility and role.
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 25 May 2020 16: 14
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    Against the backdrop of the pandemic, everyone in the world hit a fantasy. What kind of cargo turnover can we talk about when only Progress is delivering cargo now? I read both Chinese projects on the conquest of the solar system, and American. There is nothing real about them. Share the skin of an unkilled bear. The colonization of Mars is spoken of as if it would come tomorrow. In modern ships, this flight is beyond the reach of people. Yes, and robots are in their infancy.
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 May 2020 17: 33
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      Something you overslept, that on the ISS for a long time not only Progress delivers cargo.
      1. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 26 May 2020 06: 50
        +1
        Name the transport.
  • AlexVas44 Offline AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 (Alexander) 25 May 2020 16: 18
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    Were these hegemons on the moon? That is the question.
    1. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 25 May 2020 16: 20
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      1. shadow Offline shadow
        shadow 27 May 2020 17: 14
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        How the Americans fly.

    2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 May 2020 17: 35
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      There were, do not worry. Modern (non-American) pictures of the whole site that they put there, everything is perfectly visible. Do you also believe in flat Earth?
    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 23: 07
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      6 expeditions
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  • cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 25 May 2020 16: 47
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    ... now much has changed, if the Russian state corporation, instead of sending the United States to hell with its "agreements", has expressed a desire to explore the moon with NASA.

    Sergey, because Rogozin, in an interview with KP, repeated Lenin’s words “we will go the other way, because we don’t have such grandmas as the USA. ” And without grandmothers - then “on - grab” (and this is the first space!), And pride does not allow. Then with China. But for this you need to ask them what they need. Or something joint. But so far, China has relied solely on itself, and it will not work in the middle of its development. Russia remains to do it herself or with Europe.
    The most - very prestigious, expensive and long. It's up to you, your choice ...
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 25 May 2020 19: 41
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      Europe will also be with the United States most likely.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 25 May 2020 17: 38
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    American business acumen inevitably arouses respect. Step by step, the United States is increasingly becoming a "hegemon" not only on Earth, but also on the Moon. Some time ago, President Donald Trump in absentia “privatized” minerals on our natural satellite.

    This is not a business acumen and unlimited arrogance.
    The "victorious hegemonic gait" on the planet seems to exist only in a sick imagination.
    By the way, if anything, the Moon is not a planet.
    1. cmonman Offline cmonman
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 26 May 2020 23: 35
      -3
      This is not a business acumen and unlimited arrogance.

      I would like to know your opinion about the Russian flag at the bottom of the Ice Ocean under the North Pole. "Unlimited arrogance?" or "Is this our legitimate?" After all, no one forbade Russia to do this, right? Even Americans did not comment - "well, they stuck it like that, they comforted the pride of the poor."
      So it will be with the Moon - well, they dug / got / got it Americans something on the moon.
      “Why raise kipish?” With whom to share and how? Offered to participate? Yes! Abandoned? Yes! Who to blame?
      1. isofat Online isofat
        isofat (isofat) 26 May 2020 23: 55
        +1
        Garik Mokin, it would be boring without you. smile

        ... the number of unemployed in the United States has grown over the past week by 2,4 million people and amounted to 38,6 million people.
        Of these, only 25,1 million people receive unemployment benefits. This is 17,2% of the total labor market.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 27 May 2020 04: 38
        +2
        I would like to know your opinion about the Russian flag at the bottom of the Ice Ocean under the North Pole. “Infinite impudence?” or “Is this our legit?”

        Do you care about Russian flags and only at the pole?
        When Russia left the flag at the pole, said that it is now its territory? The contract is being pushed through, who stuck a flag there and its territory?
        If you think so, collect manat and bring down from our Antarctica. yes
        As for the pole itself, let's see how the shelf goes there, maybe the United Nations still recognizes our economic zone.

        So it will be with the Moon - well, Americans dug up / got / got something on the Moon.
        “Why raise kipish?” With whom to share and how? Offered to participate? Yes! Abandoned? Yes! Who to blame?

        Successfully fly. Do not forget the shovel. hi
        1. isofat Online isofat
          isofat (isofat) 27 May 2020 06: 46
          +2
          Quote: 123
          let's see how the shelf goes there, maybe the United Nations still recognizes our economic zone.

          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 27 May 2020 07: 09
            +1
            UN Sub-Commission recognized part of the Arctic as a continuation of the Russian shelf

            If not mistaken, the last application is still pending.
  • caravanbashi Offline caravanbashi
    caravanbashi 25 May 2020 17: 54
    +4
    The Americans do not hesitate to appropriate the successes of others, even the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, where the United States shamelessly acted as feeds on the Nazis. So here it is - let them do all the work, we will put a tick and reckon it among our achievements, as the Americans do. And if they are bad at cheating, then well, let's blame everything on them. These are the attitudes of capitalism - lie or die.
  • Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 25 May 2020 22: 34
    +2
    And the United States looks at everyone as at lackeys, this will destroy them !!!
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 26 May 2020 08: 37
    +3
    Many are outraged by the "privatization" of the moon. The United States can privatize the planets of the entire solar system, and beyond. Why answer the deliberate stupidity in the same way?
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