The offensive of Kiev in the Donbass will untie Moscow


When Vladimir Zelensky became president of Ukraine in May 2019, many hoped that the war in the Donbass would end soon. A year has passed, negotiations in Minsk have reached a deadlock, and another aggravation is observed in the Donbass. But for most experts, regardless of affiliation and public rhetoric, what is happening is understandable, understandable and predictable.


The current Ukrainian authorities are not going to voluntarily implement the Minsk agreements for obvious reasons. For them, the return of the territories of Donbass, in the form of the existing DPR and LPR, is fraught with catastrophic consequences. This will mean the end of the country's banderization and the construction of Anti-Russia.

Deputies from regions will appear in the Rada, where people with weapons in their hands defended their rights, which will become an example for others. Residents of the DPR and LPR (no matter what these entities will be called in the future) will be able to vote in the elections, which is almost two million voters who are negative about the processes that have taken place in Ukraine over the past six years. And they will have to be reckoned with. At the same time, the recent elections have clearly demonstrated that frank Nazis already have extremely low voter support. Therefore, for many Ukrainian “patriots”, the implementation of the Minsk Agreements is literally like political death and nothingness.

A large-scale offensive by the Armed Forces is also unlikely, since the DNI and LC have more than enough forces and means to repel aggression. After this, the territory of the DPR and LPR can even expand to the administrative borders of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the images of which appear in every state institution of the Republic. Moreover, the loss of these territories could lead to a collapse of Ukraine.

At the same time, it makes no sense for Russia to directly get involved in this. After six years, nothing has changed for Moscow, so there is no need for it to become a party to the conflict. The people's militias of the Republics are able to independently force Kiev to peace. Moscow’s hands will only be untied if Kiev officially refuses to comply with the Minsk agreements, discrediting itself in the eyes of the imputed part of the international community. Although many in the West are sure that it is Russia that must comply with the Minsk agreements and put pressure on Moscow.

That is why Kiev regularly arranges escalation in the Donbass. This makes it possible to extend the existing situation for a while.
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  1. Jack clubs Offline
    Jack clubs (Eugene) 24 May 2020 20: 32
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    After six years, nothing has changed for Moscow.

    What kind of nonsense? Six years ago it was necessary to inject a little money, weapons and send instructors, and Ukraine would become part of Russia. And today, only in order to preserve the DPR and LPR, it is already necessary to introduce regular troops of the Russian Federation.
    If this has not changed anything, then crow is also a deep thought.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 24 May 2020 22: 49
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      Zhenya, I have a few questions for you:
      And why do we need the population of a country that is organizing terrorist attacks? Why do we need people who sleep and see how Russia would be harmed? Are you out of your mind if you are proposing to accept those who are just waiting for them to receive the passports of Russian citizens and will easily begin to spoil us wherever possible with extraordinary ease? Nazis make citizens of the Russian Federation? Is everything all right with your head?
    2. Dear sofa expert. 24 May 2020 23: 03
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      DNR and LC will sooner or later migrate to the jurisdiction of Russia. As for the rest of Ukraine, everything is fine here. Neither Europe really needs common borders with Russia so far, much less Russia, borders with NATO member countries. Russophobic Baltic states - enough for the eyes. Therefore, to keep Ukraine in a state of conflict is beneficial to everyone. Just like in the case of Moldova. This, in the future, will probably affect Belarus. Lukashenko himself plays up to this game.
      1. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 25 May 2020 00: 07
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        Odessa still remained there ... well, and a couple more regions ... True, there will have to be carried out work on denazification. And then - if the inhabitants of these areas themselves express a desire to go.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 00: 17
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          Odessa still remained there ... well, and a couple more regions ... True, there will have to be carried out work on denazification ..

          Yes, but let them do it better. Or at least initiate, as the inhabitants of Donbass.
        2. Wanderer039 Offline
          Wanderer039 25 May 2020 21: 55
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          Yes, everything is much simpler and more efficiently possible and necessary. It’s just to deport all Bandera’s people forcibly, even to Lviv, and it’s useless to re-educate them, they were still doing this in the USSR, and to no avail ... The hunchback grave will be corrected, so that Bandera’s will only be fixed!
      2. commbatant Offline
        commbatant (Sergei) 26 May 2020 00: 54
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        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        DNR and LC will sooner or later migrate to the jurisdiction of Russia.

        What for? In order to organize a “buffer zone” with a “sanitary cordon” between the Russian Federation and a potential NATO member state, it is not necessary to take away from this state the territory for subsequent inclusion in the Russian Federation (“time bomb” in historical terms), it is enough to take part of the territory from of this state and create in this territory a new (controlled by the Russian Federation), recognized by the Russian Federation and the World Bank in these territories ... (Note: Abkhazia and South Ossetia) ....

        Therefore, to keep Ukraine in a state of conflict is beneficial to everyone.

        Not at all. This is beneficial to the economic competitor of the EU - the United States.

        This, in the future, will probably affect Belarus. Lukashenko himself plays up to this game.

        No one will allow the Republic of Belarus to fully join NATO, otherwise, on the territory of the Republic of Belarus there will appear their PLR, PLR, PLR .... etc.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 26 May 2020 01: 03
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          No one spoke about "joining NATO". This is just about the "buffer zones" between Russia and NATO countries. Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia - geographically approach this. Of course, they will not be taken to NATO.
    3. King3214 Offline
      King3214 (Sergius) 25 May 2020 02: 11
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      Why Ukraine as part of Russia? And what about the "Ukrainians", to shoot everyone? They are not needed in Russia. Why did Russia need stupid people who were Russians for 1000 years, and then they drove around "by the ears", they showed the gingerbread and they became "Ukrainians".
      If they are stupid, they are degenerates. Why do you need degenerates?
  2. shapko.aleksandar (Alexander Shapko) 24 May 2020 20: 43
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    Russia profiled moment in 2014! As they say: "Hit the iron while it's hot" !!!
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 24 May 2020 23: 02
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      The leadership of the Russian Federation did everything right that did not fit into this mess. The Amerians (spinning the war) wanted to achieve this. By intervening in the INTERNAL conflict, the Russian Federation would become an INTERVENT (to remind you, Sasha, what happened in 1918-1920?). And you want Russia to get the full program, including, possibly, a blow to its territory from NATO, as an aggressor, encroaching on the STATE (whatever it may be) of Ukraine, and this, by the way, is the founding state UN (although it was not yet in the direct sense of the word at that time. From the way you reason, you can draw two conclusions (moreover, one may not exclude the other):
      1. Or you are too young and do not understand what is happening in the world.
      2. Or you are not from Russia at all, and then you are a provocateur.
      Choose - and that, and that suits you.
  3. Sergey Morozov Offline
    Sergey Morozov (Sergey Morozov) 25 May 2020 06: 04
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    Russia has enough Black Sea Fleet and Strategic Rocket Forces of Peter the Great! Half an hour and practical with all of Ukraine, you can say goodbye and remember.
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    camo ridges (Michael) 25 May 2020 12: 02
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    It is time for Russia to discard all sorts of ceremonies associated with inappropriate political correctness, and begin to truly help the republics of Donbass with the most advanced equipment capable of suppressing shelling from the ukrov in the bud. Cover fire with any stirring, any single shot so that the number of coffins in the square grows in proportion to their arrogance. Only in this case they will begin to understand what’s what, and, possibly, will finally become negotiable ...
  5. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 13: 40
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    Quote: Jack clubs
    After six years, nothing has changed for Moscow.

    What kind of nonsense? Six years ago it was necessary to inject a little money, weapons and send instructors, and Ukraine would become part of Russia. And today, only in order to preserve the DPR and LPR, it is already necessary to introduce regular troops of the Russian Federation.
    If this has not changed anything, then crow is also a deep thought.

    Saying this - you don’t need to have any brains in your head. Natsik, brought up since the time of Mazepa, didn’t get anywhere in the undecided. And all those problems we would have at home. Do you remember with what result the Crimeans held a referendum? 83% if memory serves. And even this is not one of the Westerners, this result is impressive. And LDNR wanted to have independence, but within the framework of Ukraine. Its joining is impossible, by definition. Even now, after so much bloodshed. Even only LDNR. Recognition will not rectify the situation either. There will be a flap that has lost most of the territory, which no one except us recognizes. Intervening only if a real war begins is another matter. But the Ukrainians must begin.
  6. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 13: 42
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    Quote: shapko.aleksandar
    Russia profiled moment in 2014! As they say: "Hit the iron while it's hot" !!!

    In our village they say something different. . ".... while hot." .. And you follow the proverbs.
  7. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 13: 45
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    Quote: Sergey Morozov
    Russia has enough Black Sea Fleet and Strategic Rocket Forces of Peter the Great! Half an hour and practical with all of Ukraine, you can say goodbye and remember.

    Tens of thousands of dead, on either side is rubbish. A kind of revolutionary expediency. Ukrainians themselves must turn the head against these newly-hit Hitlers. And we will help. Break this nedostrana into three parts. Poles, Romanians, and for themselves. This will be less in conflict with NATO. And forget about its existence. And watch what the Pshek will do with their new "friends" who destroyed them in the forests of Pshekia and Ukraine during the Nazi invasion. There is infa that about 700 thousand psheks have property documents in the Western regions of Ukraine, and they will not wait for the restitution, according to which they will take their own. Having taken Lviv, no one can hinder them. With what a fig, one asks, they pull ukrov to themselves, realizing that they feel bad from their neighborhood, and even more so from a closer one.
    1. Wanderer039 Offline
      Wanderer039 25 May 2020 21: 59
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      When it finally comes to you that Bandera can be made to respect the Russian Federation and Russians, only by forcing them to sign unconditional surrender and nothing more !! ?? As for the fact that the whole Ukraine of the Russian Federation is not needed, and the lands of Russia temporarily occupied by Ukraine must be returned to Russia, forcibly deporting Bandera from them, I completely agree!
  8. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 13: 57
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    Quote: Camo Gryadshi
    It is time for Russia to discard all sorts of ceremonies associated with inappropriate political correctness, and begin to truly help the republics of Donbass with the most advanced equipment capable of suppressing shelling from the ukrov in the bud. Cover fire with any stirring, any single shot so that the number of coffins in the square grows in proportion to their arrogance. Only in this case they will begin to understand what’s what, and, possibly, will finally become negotiable ...

    It is more effective, and less sanctioned, to issue Russian passports. Most of the Russian population will already give the opportunity to speak in different tones with everyone. A referendum on withdrawal from Ukraine, recognition of independence ..... This is for a long time, but inevitable. In the case of the insanity of the Natsiks and the beginning of stirring, to provide real military assistance, already without looking back at the whole shell.
  9. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 14: 01
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    Quote: King3214
    Why Ukraine as part of Russia? And what about the "Ukrainians", to shoot everyone? They are not needed in Russia. Why did Russia need stupid people who were Russians for 1000 years, and then they drove around "by the ears", they showed the gingerbread and they became "Ukrainians".
    If they are stupid, they are degenerates. Why do you need degenerates?

    Ukraine, as a republic, of course, is not needed. To enter regions of Russia is another matter. And when performing procedures that are as convincing as possible, with voting, referenda, and with the presence of observers.
  10. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 14: 10
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    Quote: A.Lex
    Zhenya, I have a few questions for you:
    And why do we need the population of a country that is organizing terrorist attacks? Why do we need people who sleep and see how Russia would be harmed? Are you out of your mind if you are proposing to accept those who are just waiting for them to receive the passports of Russian citizens and will easily begin to spoil us wherever possible with extraordinary ease? Nazis make citizens of the Russian Federation? Is everything all right with your head?

    Obtain citizenship, wanting to fight already in Russia? There will be few. Rather, these will run farther to the West. To Poland, the Baltic states, to Canada. There are already hundreds of thousands there. Those who WISH terrorism will not receive citizenship. This will stop him, because to come and go legally will be more difficult than illegal. Against such will work both time and special services. The normal existence of man is the world. And having left the war, many will abandon this business. Of course, not all. But they will need to be weighed out and done. Believe me, there are thousands of normal people. In their name and in the world this must be done. By repelling, we give the bandits doubting in the hands. Do you want that?
  11. Alexander Churinov (Alexander) 25 May 2020 19: 26
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    Nonsense the author writes. On what these conclusions are based is unclear. Without military support from Russia, the DPR and LPR will not last long. APUs are well armed, thanks to the Americans, and have learned from their boilers. Yes, and the APU operation against the DPR, LPR will be developed by specialists from the United States. Plus technical support.
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      Kuzmitsky (Sergei) 25 May 2020 21: 07
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      Yes, no one is going to develop operations against LDNR in Ukraine. What for? Capture the Donbass? For what? They have few other problems, except how to deal with the captured Donbass? And specialists from the United States also sleep straight and see how Gorlovka and Makeyevka would be grabbed.

      Yes, and this troublesome occupation is to capture Donbass.

      Ukraine is quite happy with the sluggish version of the conflict. So that the war goes on, and the victory so as not to triumph. Then it’s easier to ask for help from the West, it’s kind of like to fight the “aggressor”.
  12. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 22: 27
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    Quote: Wanderer039
    When it finally comes to you that Bandera can be made to respect the Russian Federation and Russians, only by forcing them to sign unconditional surrender and nothing more !! ?? As for the fact that the whole Ukraine of the Russian Federation is not needed, and the lands of Russia temporarily occupied by Ukraine must be returned to Russia, forcibly deporting Bandera from them, I completely agree!

    Bandera should not be forced to respect us. They need to be destroyed, without mercy and pity. But we cannot be the first to fight. And to make sure that from the West there are also those who want to dump western Ukraine for themselves.
  13. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 25 May 2020 22: 29
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    Quote: Alexander Churinov
    Nonsense the author writes. On what these conclusions are based is unclear. Without military support from Russia, the DPR and LPR will not last long. APUs are well armed, thanks to the Americans, and have learned from their boilers. Yes, and the APU operation against the DPR, LPR will be developed by specialists from the United States. Plus technical support.

    The President of Russia should personally tell you that we will not allow touching LDNR?
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    commbatant (Sergei) 26 May 2020 00: 43
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    DNI and LC have more than enough forces and means to repel aggression.

    Again the chants of "cheers-patriots" .... maybe the author will write in more detail about the alignment of forces and means of the Parties at the Donbass Theater ....
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    shinobi (Yuri) 26 May 2020 09: 33
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    An abscess of Ukraine will have to be opened one way or another.
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 26 May 2020 10: 25
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    Quote: shinobi
    An abscess of Ukraine will have to be opened one way or another.

    ... and cauterize with the Sunshine.
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