The emergence of "unknown aviation" in Libya does not bode well for Russia


For the first time since the NATO invasion in 2011, an air operation can begin in Libya. MiG-29 fighters and Russian-made Su-24 bombers will be used as strike aircraft in a civil war between the West and the East of the country. LNA Khalifa Haftara promises "the largest air campaign in history."


Who will be sitting at the controls of these aircraft, and what will threaten all the participants in the conflict to escalate further?

A few days ago, six combat aircraft without identification marks flew from Syria to Libya. Fighters and bombers were at the disposal of Field Marshal Haftar, whose army has recently suffered a number of sensitive defeats. For more than a year, the LNA was unable to take the capital of Tripoli, and now it has lost al-Vatyya airbase, where a certain amount of combat equipment Russian production. The front was in danger of collapse.

It is not difficult to notice a direct correlation between the successes of official Tripoli and the active military assistance provided to him by Ankara. Representatives of the LNA claim that the government of Faiz Saraj is supported by 25 thousand Turkish military and 15 thousand militants deployed from Syria. Particularly distinguished in battle were the drones provided by Ankara, designed to destroy ground targets. President Erdogan’s interest in the Government of Libya’s National Accord is to sign an extremely beneficial agreement between Turkey on the division of sea shelves and territorial waters.

The tangible successes of the PNS demanded a change in the balance of power in the region. The “unidentified” MiG-29s and Su-24s are obviously a “fire brigade” designed to land Turkish unmanned aircraft and stop the further advance of Saraj’s troops. It is not surprising that Russian-made aircraft transferred from Syria. Now all kinds of experts are trying to build versions of their “Belarusian origin”, but this can hardly be misleading to anyone.

It just so happened that Russia acts as an adversary to Turkey in two conflicts at once, Syrian and Libyan. If the Kremlin supports official Damascus in the SAR, then in Libya, on the side of the official Tripoli - Ankara, that is, there is some kind of “mirroring”. Russian mercenaries and other military experts have long been seen in the ranks of the LAA of Khalifa Haftar. That's just to transfer the Russian Air Force to the aid of Field Marshal Moscow can not. So there are schemes with “Belarusian” airplanes, at the helm of which Al-Iksander will sit.

The problem is the seriousness of the escalation of the conflict. When the MiG-29 and Su-24 begin to work on the positions of the PNS and the Turks, Ankara will be forced to respond with the transfer of air defense systems and its own aircraft. Turkey will obviously have more opportunities to legally build up an air group, and Al-Iksander in Libya’s sky can have a hard time.

Do not forget about Syria, where the conflict is still paused. The Turks in early March demonstrated their combat capabilities, destroying a significant amount of Syrian armored vehicles, artillery and manpower. At the same time, Russia did not dare to send its troops to the front lines. With the active support of Ankara, the militants can quickly enough not only repel the territories of the Idlib province occupied by the Syrians, but also go on the offensive.

Such a scenario for the development of the situation will not leave Moscow any choice - Russia will be forced to support Damascus, as they say, from all the trunks, under the shells of which the Turkish military will likely be. It is difficult to predict how this will affect Russian-Turkish relations. However, it certainly won’t end in anything good.
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  1. Cheburashk Offline
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 23 May 2020 13: 49
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    In Libya, everything is more or less clear or in other words, everything is complicated there.

    With the active support of Ankara, the militants can quickly enough not only repel the territories of the Idlib province occupied by the Syrians, but also go on the offensive.

    Author, then tell me what to do if you understand everything. Maybe it's better to back off or give up altogether.
    1. Observer2014 Offline
      Observer2014 23 May 2020 14: 37
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      The author, then tell me what to do if you understand everything? Maybe it’s better to retreat or give up altogether?

      And so, life seemed like a sheepskin? Without the leading role of a party. Now, now, without the opinion of the author, does it? Complex difficulties flashed around with frightening frequency. The absolute pitch is probably approaching. laughing But this is better than "digging trenches near Moscow." yes good
    2. Kristallovich Offline
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 23 May 2020 15: 59
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      The author, then tell me what to do, if you understand everything, maybe it is better to retreat or even give up?

      I am not an author, but I’ll put in my 50 cents. The whole difference is that both in Libya and in Syria, regular units of the Turkish armed forces are fighting. We are only trying to train the Syrians and "Haftarovtsev", and it works out badly. The Arabs were never distinguished by a special mind in military affairs. Moscow does not risk sending its soldiers to the front - the Russians themselves may not understand. But you need to find some way out of the situation. The Turks do not hesitate to fight openly, but we all press ...
      1. Gennady ratin Offline
        Gennady ratin (Gennady Ratin) 23 May 2020 23: 40
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        Do you propose not to be shy and start an open war with the Turks? And, of course, so that all military operations are shown on TV at a time convenient for us?
        1. Kristallovich Offline
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 May 2020 08: 55
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          They are not shy about actually announcing it to us ... That is, you can mimic some mongrel, and the elephant is spinning nearby and is afraid of something.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 24 May 2020 22: 17
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            Do you propose that Russia provoke itself into a war with a member of NATO? Americans are just waiting for this.
            By the way, if you really can’t wait to annoy the Turks, now there is a better opportunity than getting involved in the Libyan conflict. Now the Turks have very complicated relations with another country - a member of NATO. Greece. There is space for imagination. "Divide and rule!" - So the Romans seemed to say?
            1. Kristallovich Offline
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 May 2020 22: 27
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              I believe that the Turks need to be made clear: in Syria, the Russian army is at the invitation of official authorities and provides them with military support. An operation is underway to cleanse the country's territory of armed bandits. And if Turkish soldiers suddenly appear among these bandits, then let Ankara not be offended. They are in Syria illegally, as an aggressor. I think we need to clearly and firmly outline our position and not be limited to threats. Our VKS flew from Khmeimim and bombed the enemy. And do not care that there may be Turks below. As for Libya, the situation here is somewhat more complicated, since officially we do not participate there. But my message was more about Syria.
              1. Dear sofa expert. 24 May 2020 22: 30
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                But my message was more about Syria.

                Yes, in Syria - I agree.
      2. rybalkin-igor Offline
        rybalkin-igor (Igor Rybalkin) 24 May 2020 11: 21
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        So go and do not be shy, fight how much you want.
    3. Marzhecki Offline
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 May 2020 07: 32
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      Quote: Cheburashk
      Author, then tell me what to do if you understand everything. Maybe it's better to back off or give up altogether.

      First tell me what are we doing there? Maybe you should first deal with Ukraine, in general, and the Crimea, in particular, its water supply?
      1. Accidentally Offline
        Accidentally 24 May 2020 08: 28
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        But in Syria and Libya there is a COMMERCIAL WAR. There’s nothing to think about, business, nothing more. Mercenaries are meat ................. the war continues for the interests of the DOLLAR. Interests are only green.
      2. boriz Offline
        boriz (boriz) 24 May 2020 12: 09
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        First tell me what are we doing there?

        “It seems to be just everything” (C). All for now, for complete happiness, it is not enough just to bring oil from Syria and Libya onto the market. Therefore, in Syria do not expel amers. Well, they dig oil, but slowly, not on an industrial scale, just to get black cash for dark things (like with Afghan drugs). And in Libya, the PNS and Haftar will drive each other through the desert with varying success.
        Geopolitics, however!
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      4. Natan bruk Online
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 24 May 2020 22: 27
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        And in what, interestingly, way do you propose to deal with the water supply of Crimea? Maybe to blow up a dam in the Kherson region? Or just occupy the whole of southern Ukraine?
        1. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 00: 14
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          And in what, interestingly, way do you propose to deal with the water supply of Crimea? Maybe to blow up a dam in the Kherson region? Or just occupy the whole of southern Ukraine?

          What for? Crimea has always been one of the regions with unstable water supply, especially in terms of irrigation. And for drinking, there only 15% of Crimea’s needs for drinking water were covered by the North Crimean Canal. This part of the water was used for drinking needs of residents of the cities of Simferopol, Kerch, Feodosia, Sudak and the Leninsky district. The remaining 85% of the water for cities and regions has always been reservoirs. So, to connect the problem of irrigation of Crimea with the Kherson dam is empty talk.
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          2. Natan bruk Online
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 07: 36
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            Seriously? Why didn’t such questions arise during Ukraine?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 08: 28
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              Seriously? Why didn’t such questions arise during Ukraine?

              It happened, just topcor did not tell you this)
              1. Natan bruk Online
                Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 10: 09
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                Well, in coastal cities there have always been problems with water, but after the construction of the canal, it more or less settled down and there were no special problems, but now they have appeared. It is not surprising - they pump water from aquifers in full and salinization has already begun.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 10: 13
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                  ... there were still no special problems, but now they have appeared ..

                  Have you heard anything about global warming?
                  1. Natan bruk Online
                    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 13: 26
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                    It is global warming everywhere, but they are adapting to it. In Israel, in general, about two-thirds of the territory is desert, but there are no problems with water, moreover, we also supply it outside. The same could have been done in Crimea if it had not been for the path of least resistance.
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                    2. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 13: 33
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                      .. In Israel, in general, about two-thirds of the territory is desert, but there are no problems with water, moreover, we also supply outside ..

                      .. The total shortage of water resources in Israel is 2,5 billion cubic meters ..

                      ..Climatic changes oblige us to turn water saving into a way of life, even when there are times more generous in rains. Specialists cite global climate change as the main cause of water depletion. In this regard, it is expected that restrictions on water consumption will be introduced in the country, first of all, quotas for irrigation of private plots will be reduced.

                      The administration notes that the most difficult situation with water sources has developed in the north of the country. According to experts, by the end of the summer season of 2018, the water level in the largest lake in Israel - Kineret - will drop to a black line, that is, to a mark of 214,86 meters below sea level and will continue to decline by an average of 1 centimeter per day ...

                      https://www.google.de/amp/s/ria.ru/amp/20180826/1527257052.html

                      As you see, it also happens?)
                      1. Natan bruk Online
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 14: 29
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                        Three ha ha ha. Droughts occur here very regularly, but nothing terrible happens. What year is this information for you? For 2018? So that you know, and then there were no restrictions on the domestic use of water, since its bulk is desalinated. For the state of the lake - yes, it was, this is the only natural water reservoir, one might say, “a national lake, it is full of beaches, resorts, etc., but I repeat - there were no restrictions on drinking water. But this year, Kinneret is literally crowded due to heavy winter rains. And this is despite the fact that now they are pumping water in full swing from there, so as not to be forced to open the dam. So, they would not have been left without water, even if there was no Kinneret at all. And yes, Israel supplies water to the Palestinian Authority and pumps water to Jordan.
                      2. Natan bruk Online
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 14: 39
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                        Well, as for savings - this, of course, is always necessary, regardless of anything. But here the matter also lies in the fact that Israel is in first place in the world in the reuse of water for technical needs. Therefore, in general, everything is in order. Yes, by the way, the capacity of desalination plants is still increased, so today they do not even work at full capacity, there are reserves. Of course, a lot of energy is needed, but this is all right - now the power plants operate on their own gas.
                      3. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 15: 10
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                        .. Three hah ha ...

                        Do not bother, on the Internet there is more than enough information about Israel.

                        Israel and Palestine have two main common water sources.

                        The first of these is an underground aquifer, located on the border between the West Bank and Israel and providing all the needs of Palestinians in the West Bank (domestic, industrial and agricultural).

                        From this source, Israel pumps out about 1/4 of the volume of water, which is distributed in the ratio: Israel and settlements in the territories - 80% and Palestine - 20%.

                        The second common source is the basin of the Jordan River, which includes the upper Jordan and its tributaries, Lake Kinneret, the Yarmouk River and lower Jordan. Palestinian rights to the source are due to the fact that the West Bank is located in the lower reaches of the Jordan River. Israel extracts from it about 1/3 of the consumed water. Palestine does not use the source water, if you do not take into account the small amount of water that Israel pumps from it and supplies to the Gaza Strip ..

                        - etc.

                        http://www.cawater-info.net/bk/water_law/2_4_3.htm

                        So, there is nothing new that could convince everything in something - you do not. It's about the Crimea. There, too, there have always been problems with water, Russia solves this problem, and naturally, it solves it. Do not break your head with this)
                      4. Natan bruk Online
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 15: 35
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                        The information you have is not very relevant to today's reality - it is very outdated. Yes, indeed, both artesian and from Kineret are used, but today the bulk of the water used in Israel is desalinated. And the vast majority of the water used in autonomy is from Israel. And of course I’m not going to rack my brains about Crimea - I live not there, and not in Russia at all. But still it is not clear what the authorities have been doing for these 6 years and how they are going to solve this problem.
                      5. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 15: 46
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                        The information you have is not very relevant to today's reality ..

                        - There was no goal to seek out new information. Just for completeness. It describes a fairly long period of time during which Israel is trying to solve the problem of water. There 1991 to 2008. And the first article - it was for August 2018, that is, the total period of time is 27 years. That's all. And even if what you say is true and the problem is solved today - 29! (!) Years were needed to solve it.
                        Russia also solves this problem in Crimea, and for a shorter time. As the experience of the Israelis shows, you can’t throw hats here.
                      6. Natan bruk Online
                        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 15: 58
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                        I have been in Israel since 1993. It was different, but there was never any restriction on household consumption. And desalination plants were not built in 2018, but much earlier. Again, I have nothing against the problem of water being solved in Crimea, but just what has been done in 6 years is the intensive use of underground horizons, which has already led to the beginning of salinization. Although, probably, it still somehow will be solved sometime.
  • 123 Offline
    123 (123) 25 May 2020 05: 51
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    And in what, interestingly, way do you propose to deal with the water supply of Crimea? Maybe to blow up a dam in the Kherson region? Or just occupy the whole of southern Ukraine?

    You have addressed the question to the wrong address, you will not find answers there. request Only "constructive criticism" in style - we need to leave everywhere, sit at home, until the gas pipeline is stretched to each hut of the forester. smile
  • Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 May 2020 06: 59
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    That's right, in your Jewish style. Why are you outraged, I do not quite understand? Only you can occupy the Golan?
    1. Natan bruk Online
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 07: 48
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      But where am I outraged, I am joking with your shortsightedness and inconsistency. Of course, you can also occupy it. Here we are even, the occupation of Crimea and the UN “referendum” also does not recognize. But why didn’t they worry about water supply for 6 years? They answered all questions on water, saying that everything is in order, and soon it will be very good, and suddenly it turns out that it is not even very good, but expected to be very bad. Well, they would buy technology from the same Israel - we have built powerful desalination plants and nuclear power plants were not needed for this, now we are not dependent on external sources, we also supply water to the Palestinian Authority and Jordan. But they considered that it was not tacky to turn to Jews. Well now let's see what you will do.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 08: 44
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        Of course, you can occupy it too ..

        Yes, calm down already. Even if you can’t, but if you really want to, then you can)
        Israel - the Golan Heights, Europe - Kosovo from Serbia tear. In Europe, by the way, the appetite is growing: Ukraine is trying to annex the CIS from the CIS, but it didn’t work out. So Crimea remained where it should be. UN - in general, this anachronism can already be crossed out and forgotten.
        By the way - a curiosity - the UN today really began to correspond to its name. A few heaps of “united nations”, each “heap” is trying to defend exclusively its mercantile interests.
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          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 25 May 2020 10: 01
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          Well, fine, come to a common denominator. But all the same there is a difference - Syria launched a war against Israel, received the cabbage soup and lost part of the territory as a result of the war unleashed by it. Ukraine didn’t start a war against Russia, and talk about the alleged genocide in Crimea would be nothing more than talk. There is Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov nearby, there are no less Russian-speaking and simply ethnic Russians, and there is no genocide. Well, as for the UN - nevertheless, in this regard, Russia has double standards as usual - the condemnation of Israel "in accordance with the UN decisions", but the resolutions regarding Crimea are wrong. By the way, Israel did not vote for sanctions against Russia in connection with Crimea, while Russia regularly continues to vote “for” anti-Israeli resolutions. Incidentally, according to the aforementioned Kosovo, Israel did not recognize its independence and continues to officially consider it a part of Serbia.
  • Serge Tixiy Offline
    Serge Tixiy (Serge Tixiy) 23 May 2020 14: 02
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    I wonder where did the interests of Russia in Libya come from. Something I do not remember any statements by the president or any officials ... well, except for Western "friends" and here on the site ....
    1. Guerilla1 Offline
      Guerilla1 (Eremeev) 24 May 2020 07: 09
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      Quote: Serge Tixiy
      where did the interests of Russia in Libya come from?

      The same question gnaws at me. And except for the Alaverdi to the Turks, I see no interest.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 May 2020 09: 57
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      Serge Tixiy
      Well, absolutely do not count all fools.
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      Vladimir Krymov (Vladimir Krymov) 24 May 2020 18: 41
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      There is interest, of course. In case of aggravation of the contradictions between NATO and Russia. The Russians will take control of the south of Western Europe in two weeks, according to forecasts by NATO analysts. The north of Africa to Gibraltar is a bridgehead from where a strike will be delivered.
    4. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 25 May 2020 06: 04
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      I wonder where did the interests of Russia in Libya come from. Something I do not remember any statements by the president or any officials ... well, except for Western "friends" and here on the site ....

      There are really no applications. The government of Saraj is officially recognized, but they don’t put “all eggs in one basket”, they maintain contacts with everyone, apparently, Haftar is preferable.
      What is interesting in Libya?
      1. Oil. Russia is trying to take control of the oil market.
      2. The base. In Libya, convenient deep-sea ports, in addition, from there you can control the bases of the American fleet in Italy, without departing from the pier, you can keep Naples at gunpoint. And the whole western part of the Mediterranean Sea, including Gibraltar.
      3. The prospect of obtaining new markets. They were planning to build armaments, a railway before the war, and so on.
      True, it is not a fact that if Haftar wins, all this will be realized, it’s too “crowded”, behind every local “Sultan”, a coalition from several countries.
  • Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 23 May 2020 14: 12
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    The example of Afghanistan does not teach us anything, these eastern "brothers" have repeatedly thrust a dagger into the back of Russia, but we still run towards them with open arms.
    1. Gennady ratin Offline
      Gennady ratin (Gennady Ratin) 23 May 2020 23: 41
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      Do you think we are running with open arms completely disinterestedly ?!
      1. Marzhecki Offline
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 May 2020 06: 56
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        Who are we? Who will benefit, Russia or individual oligarchs?
        1. Dear sofa expert. 25 May 2020 08: 53
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          Who will benefit, Russia or individual oligarchs?

          Geopolitical benefit - of Russia.
          Well, the oligarchs .. well, where without them) They will make their own money for everything. As one “oligarch” of the past said:

          Big money can be made in two cases: when creating a new state and when it collapses. When building it is a slower process, in a crash it is faster.

          "Gone With the Wind"
  • Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 23 May 2020 14: 38
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    And who needs all this? As a rule, according to history, all this does not end very well. Especially various kinds of show-offs.
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    Roarv (Robert) 23 May 2020 15: 06
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    What is there to argue. Three regiments of S-400 South Ossetia should put Haftaru.
    Well, Abkhazia should send coastal complexes Bastion, Ball, + a naval group to the shores of Libya.
    A joint group of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and the LNA to declare a no-fly zone and a restricted navigation zone along the Libyan sea borders, well, experts from Ala, “Come on Arab, move on” will bring all this action.
    1. Igor Pavlovich Offline
      Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 23 May 2020 17: 27
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      Robert, you still forgot to invite a couple of tank corps from LDNR ... laughing
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        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 23 May 2020 17: 59
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        And a good couple of beech.
      2. Gennady ratin Offline
        Gennady ratin (Gennady Ratin) 23 May 2020 23: 43
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        Interesting thought! Moreover, local miners will easily find the required number of tanks in mines and local flea markets.
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 23 May 2020 15: 54
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    A few days ago, six combat aircraft without identification marks flew from Syria to Libya. Fighters and bombers were at the disposal of Field Marshal Haftar

    - Well, flew over ... - and what ???
    - If everything looked like this: “six combat aircraft without identification marks” (not necessarily exactly six - maybe much more) launched a massive missile and bomb strike on PNS positions ... -As a result, the air defense systems and the entire military Transport aviation (including all the equipment that Turkey delivered to Libya); along with this, a significant amount of armored vehicles, artillery and manpower belonging to the NDP was destroyed ... etc, etc ...
    - But what is it ??? - Well, they drove the planes ... and then what ???
    - Russia, as always in its repertoire ... - pretends that it is swinging it, but it will never hit ... - Well, that’s it ... and the ordinary East-Arab endless tyagomotin will begin ...
    1. Valentine Offline
      Valentine (Valentin) 23 May 2020 17: 19
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      Irina, you write a lot of reasonable things, but for some reason you always get dislikes - is that such an allergy to you from visitors to this site ..... Try changing your nickname. And do not call yourself to YOU, it will be easier, and people will reach you.
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        gorenina91 (Irina) 23 May 2020 18: 22
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        Irina, you write a lot of something reasonable, but for some reason you always get dislikes - is that such an allergy to you from visitors to this site ..... Try changing your nickname. And do not call yourself to YOU, it will be easier, and people will reach you.

        - Well, I don’t know ... - Somehow, that's all ... - Well, there are screams ... mmmm ... - "sexual triumph and ... and despair" ... - Well , here ... to this miserable public, it is evident that no triumph shines through life ... - So it remains ...- one despair ...
        - But their problems for me ... - just ... - no way ...
        - Hahah, and only ...
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        Accidentally 24 May 2020 08: 35
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        Well, you know, Valek ... there’s a hell of "generalities" to hell. Well, if a rational person appears and writes the right things, then the "generalisimuses" write nasty things out of habit, without thinking head off, in favor of the Kremlin dumbheads .... well, as always.
    2. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 May 2020 09: 51
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      If everything looked like this: “six combat aircraft without identification marks” (not necessarily just six — maybe much more) launched a massive missile and bomb strike on PNS positions.

      “Why do you personally need this?” Can you somehow clearly explain?
    3. rybalkin-igor Offline
      rybalkin-igor (Igor Rybalkin) 24 May 2020 11: 31
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      What did you want to see? How do Russian guys die for the freedom and independence of Libya?
      Probably you've seen enough militants?
  • They need to put anti-ship missiles and launch Erdogashka to the bottom.
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  • Cheburashk Offline
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 23 May 2020 22: 59
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    Quote: Kristallovich
    The author, then tell me what to do, if you understand everything, maybe it is better to retreat or even give up?

    I am not an author, but I’ll put in my 50 cents. The whole difference is that both in Libya and in Syria, regular units of the Turkish armed forces are fighting. We are only trying to train the Syrians and "Haftarovtsev", and it works out badly. The Arabs were never distinguished by a special mind in military affairs. Moscow does not risk sending its soldiers to the front - the Russians themselves may not understand. But you need to find some way out of the situation. The Turks do not hesitate to fight openly, but we all press ...

    I agree with you!
  • Netyn Offline
    Netyn (Netyn) 24 May 2020 00: 00
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    Author, where is the proof of the Su-24? If the photo of the lone Mig is on the network, then with the Su-24 everything is sadder)
    And yes.
    LNA command promises in the "Largest air campaign" in the history of Libya "in the near future.
    But at the same time they report that so far there are only 4 MiG-29s ready for combat.
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    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 24 May 2020 01: 25
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    And the fools continue to giggle from the drone UAVs of Turkey, which, until now, are not in service with the vaunted VKS of the Russian Federation, and it is important to puff out the cheeks of importance. The smelly and impoverished Turkey with Iran has them and has learned to use them perfectly, and the Russian Federation is in complete shit here.
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      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 May 2020 07: 34
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      That's why they are fools ...
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      unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 25 May 2020 00: 43
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      Great to use? Oh well. Something in the same Idlib to the Turks, their use and inflicting losses on the Syrians somehow did not help, and they all the same rolled back. Yes, the losses have increased, but then what? Why did the Turks not continue to push then if they were in a winning position? Where is the blitzkrieg and the defeat of the CPA? And what about the loss of drones, that the loss of air defense missile systems is one hell of consumables in war. Always have been, always will be.
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    Guerilla1 (Eremeev) 24 May 2020 07: 25
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    Quote: gorenina91
    So it remains ...- one despair ...

    Irina, get a cat.
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 May 2020 11: 24
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    In fact, they always wrote that developed countries have nowhere to put their obsolete weapons ...
    And here - here - conflicts for 9 years ...
    Everyone benefits ... old recipe: small wars far from home.
    Break in troops and logistics, discard junk, protest nove, preferences nabyat ....
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    Alena Belous. (Alenka Belous) 24 May 2020 15: 13
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    Why "unknown aircraft"? These Belarusians harnessed themselves. It is not clear why. There was already information in the media.
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    Anton Yazov (Anton Yazov) 25 May 2020 03: 37
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    The author invented all kinds of garbage, strategist of figs!
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      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 May 2020 06: 53
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      Quote: Anton Yazov
      The author invented all kinds of garbage, strategist of figs!

      Well, judging by the vocabulary, you are definitely not our audience. You would have something easier to read. smile
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    Cat (Sergei) 25 May 2020 07: 00
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    Hmm ... Libya is not Syria. There you need drones, combat drums, and reconnaissance, with flying at a high altitude than the Hawk takes, which is more than 18 km. The manned aircraft there are dead. Accordingly, Libya should have a "distant" hand, such as "Points-U" (Tornado), which could destroy an enemy air defense system. And only after the suppression of anti-aircraft defense, air support is possible for its own air defense. An IA deployed to Libya is more for air defense purposes, and not for attacks on enemy ground targets. Libya urgently needs to buy both types of PSUs, but where? So, now we are witnessing the development of a new type of war - the “UAV War”. I won’t be surprised that Solntsepek appeared there ... Well, Russia, of course, needs to stay away, otherwise the "Problem of the Black Sea Straits" will arise ...
  • Vitaly Dino-Zavro (Vitaly Dino-Zavro) 25 May 2020 12: 32
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    Americans climb into all holes. Russia is surrounded by bacteriological and other laboratories. I think the events in Syria and Libya directly affect Russia. So somehow it is necessary to answer. The main thing is not to be mistaken.
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    nemoXX 27 May 2020 22: 30
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    Russia, like all the old empires that have survived from the mind, suffers from increased ambitiousness! This is compounded by ridiculous illusions (“we can repeat it!”) Of “great victories” by wasting money with impunity for millions of Russian and colossal resources in stupid attempts to demonstrate Russia's exaggerated “greatness” with sharply reduced possibilities. One can confidently predict 2 possible outcomes of Russia's adventurous policy:
    1) its defeat in the event of a war with a serious enemy with subsequent major internal upheavals;
    2) the Maidan of "perestroika" (shootout?) Against the background of the inevitable ruin of the country and the growth of social tensions: that which the "great and mighty" USSR did not master - all the more, its remnant in the geopolitical impasse will not master. Why Belarusians were dragged together, who do not need Libya or Syria in figs, it will become clear over time.