Russia's closest allies are increasingly abandoning the Russian language


The process of de-Russification in the post-Soviet space is gaining momentum. This is not about Ukraine, where the problem of the status of the Russian language has become one of the reasons for the many years of civil war, but about a completely friendly Kazakhstan so far. Already more than 100 thousand signatures have been received by the petition demanding to deprive the Russian language of the status of interethnic, and among those who advocate for this there are many representatives of the local "intelligentsia" of Russian origin.


Where do these “new Russians” come from, and why is the area of ​​the “Russian World” instead of expanding only narrowing?

Experts note that according to the degree of our language’s presence in everyday life, Central Asia can be divided into two unequal groups. The first is Kazakhstan, where the vast majority of the population speaks Russian, the second - Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, where from 50% to 80% of the local population practically does not speak Russian. Moreover, in all these countries over the past years since the collapse of the USSR, the number of Russians has sharply decreased.

The most favorable conditions remained in Kazakhstan for several reasons: common border, close economic integration, an initially higher share of the European population plus territorial “gifts” of Moscow. However, President Nursultan Nazarbayev, during his tenure as president, headed for the gradual de-Russification of the country:

By 2025, we will translate the Kazakh language education in full. You know what percentage Kazakhs occupied among all Kazakhstanis in the years of independence. And now the percentage of Kazakhs is more than 70% and Kazakh-speaking regions should already switch to Kazakh office work.

According to the idea of ​​the ex-head of state, education should be oriented towards the parallel study of three languages: Kazakh, Russian, English, and, in the future, Chinese. Such a selection in itself says a lot about the development priorities of Kazakhstan. In 2017, a decision was made on the gradual translation of the Kazakh script from Cyrillic to Latin. The transition period will last until 2025.

But now, a petition has arrived in the name of President Tokaev demanding to deprive the Russian language of the status of interethnic. Local “representatives of the intelligentsia” cite the fact that at the time of the adoption of the Law on Languages, the share of Kazakhs was 39,7%, and Russian - 37,8%. Today, after 28 years, the share of the indigenous population exceeds 70%. According to the logic of the “intelligentsia,” this should nullify outdated regulations. The most interesting thing is that some Kazakhstanis of Russian origin actively assent to them, who believe that “Russians should not be offended, because 20 years is a considerable time for studying”.

Let's try to separate the flies from the cutlets. Of course, citizens of the country must respect the state language, in Kazakhstan it is Kazakh. But this does not have to mean that the Russian language, which is native by definition for 19% of the country's population and the language of everyday communication for most of it, should be automatically tamed. Russia and Kazakhstan are neighbors with a common border, partners in the EAEU and other international structures. Let Russians today are a national minority in this country, but respect for their native language, rights and interests is the key to good neighborly relations.

Why would Nur-Sultan take the same curved path that Ukraine followed in 2014? Does the Kazakh authorities really need similar problems in the north of the country, like those of Independent in the Southeast? President Nazarbayev held relatively moderate policies in this matter, comparing favorably with Tajikistan or Uzbekistan. In Uzbek schools, teaching the Russian language is at a minimum level, English is preferred instead. In kindergartens they even try to protect from everything Russian. In Kyrgyzstan, the situation worsened after the 2010 coup: paperwork and education are translated into the state language. In Tajikistan, it got to the point that not only surnames, but also suffixes in middle names began to be desecrated, moreover, the head of state, who turned from Rakhmonov to Rakhmona, showed a personal example.

Of course, this is their right, but the chosen path, let’s say, is “curve”. I would like to remind you that there are intentionally successful Western countries where several state languages ​​are legalized, for example, Canada, the UK, Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Finland, New Zealand and others. So they would take an example from them, and not from Ukraine.
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  1. BMP-2 Offline
    BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 19 May 2020 14: 47
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    Interestingly, do these district princes understand that by declaring a decrease in the number of Russians by 30%, they, in fact, admit the genocide of the Russian people?
  2. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 19 May 2020 15: 01
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    So they would take an example from them, and not from Ukraine.

    So write to them, why are you telling us this? Make your modest contribution to the promotion of the Russian language in the post-Soviet space.
    Or just like picking a sore?
  3. argo44 Offline
    argo44 (mac) 19 May 2020 15: 10
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    W Polsce język rosyjski był nauczany obowiązkowo od 5 klasy szkoły podstawewej i powszechnie uważano to za przejaw okupacji ze strony ZSRR. Może w tamtych krajach także tak to postrzegają? Rozumiem, że Rosjanie mogą się nad tym nie zastanawiać i tego tak nie odbierać, bo po prostu wy żyliście w Rosji, a nie w Polsce, czy Kazachstanie. Jaki język obcy był obowiązkowy w ZSRR poza rosyjskim? ------------------------- google translator:

    In Poland, the Russian language was taught without fail from the 5th grade of elementary school, and this was widely regarded as a manifestation of the occupation of the USSR. Maybe in these countries they also think so? I understand that the Russians may not think about it and not take it that way because you simply lived in Russia and not in Poland or Kazakhstan. What foreign language was compulsory in the USSR except Russian?
    1. akarfoxhound Offline
      akarfoxhound 20 May 2020 12: 30
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      When a common language erases many obstacles, interaction and interconnection in everything between the people of the two countries is much easier. When people talk to each other in different languages, any, even the simplest “in between” actions become a problem. And you know this very well, only include the non-understanding one (like, the “non-understanding one” has a beautiful synonym in Russian, and I am sure you know it very well :) And for what you are doing this, you also know very well. And the "national unity" of the Kazakh, Kyrgyz and other peoples has nothing to do with it, from the word at all!
  4. Dear sofa expert. 19 May 2020 15: 17
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    Knowing and using several languages ​​gives people only benefits. Since it has so historically developed that the countries of the former USSR had a common language - Russian, then what is the point of abandoning such a valuable heritage? And especially Kazakhstan ... A huge border with Russia, close cultural and economic ties. Kazakhs, by the way, are almost the only Central Asian people who knew Russian perfectly in absolute perfection. Competently, without an accent. This, of course, is their choice, but in vain they are so frivolously getting rid of the Russian language. There, the author gave good examples with countries where there are several state languages. Switzerland, a very successful country - 4 languages ​​(plus English - almost mandatory). These are the huge personal intellectual capabilities of every citizen. I would like to know all the major world languages. Russian is one of them.
    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 15: 23
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      All right. More languages ​​- steeper country, smarter people.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 19 May 2020 16: 41
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        ... That's right. More languages ​​- steeper country, smarter people ..

        You won’t be smarter by all means. But a person has much greater personal chances. In addition, we are talking about world languages, and not about small-town dialects, jargons, or, as it is fashionable to say today, movs).
        1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
          Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 19: 57
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          Like so, but small-town dialects, if you know a lot, will also come down.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 19 May 2020 20: 11
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            ... Like so, but small-town dialects, if you know a lot, will also come down.

            Come down for what? Are books of great authors translated into them? Are textbooks and scientific literature printed on them? Are simultaneous translations of world cinema masterpieces being made? Commented on sports?
            Why clog your head with all this "shtetl" rubbish, if there are languages ​​of Pushkin and Dostoevsky, Remarque and Goethe, Stendhal and Dumas, Mitchell and Conan Doyle, Lope de Vega and Alighieri?
            1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
              Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 20: 15
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              You can become a great smuggler. Thief in law. Head of the country. A lot of what you can become something. In many countries, neighboring cities do not understand each other well.

              And Remarque will be needed in the original - the oligarch will call the reader-translator.
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              2. Dear sofa expert. 19 May 2020 20: 22
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                And Remarque will be needed in the original - the oligarch will call the reader-translator

                Yeah, and this translator will translate from German to ... mov?) Do you even think when you write or say something, or do stupid things rummage in your head for reserve?))
                1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                  Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 20: 31
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                  You just read carefully, apparently you don’t want to ..

                  The translator will translate Remarque and read aloud on what order.
                  In pure Russian, thieves, or Uzbek.

                  It is clear that professors are better off knowing many languages ​​....
                  But Gene. the secretary was often speaking Russian with an accent .... And somehow I did not hear about thieves with multilingualism ...
                  1. Dear sofa expert. 19 May 2020 21: 03
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                    The translator will translate Remarque and read aloud on what order.
                    In pure Russian

                    So it’s just that they refuse the Russian language, and leave their “small-town shackles” to themselves. And who will translate them to you? Who needs this? You will be stupidly told - either learn the original language, or look with sign language).
                    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 21: 36
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                      They are worse. Will be dumber. If only one small-town.

                      But if there are 10, then another question.
                      "But for lack of stamp, you can write in plain." About surzhiki also come down.
                      Although 10 classic is better, who is against.

                      Tajik one knew: Russian, Tajik, English, Arabic, Persian and a little German, French and Indian.
                      1. Dear sofa expert. 20 May 2020 10: 21
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                        Tajik one knew. Russian, Tajik, English, Arabic, Persian and a little German, French and Indian.

                        I also had to learn Kazakh and mov. And then suddenly all other languages ​​will be banned)
                      2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 May 2020 10: 28
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                        I think he also knew about 5-10 pieces. I just didn’t apply them here.
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 May 2020 16: 40
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    Idiocy is not destroyed.
    An article in "Evening Dushanbe" from 1989. A year later, a civil war will break out in Tajikistan, which claimed about 100 thousand lives and the loss of 90% of the Russian-speaking population. The results of madness are known.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 May 2020 17: 01
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    Quote: argo44
    W Polsce język rosyjski był nauczany obowiązkowo od 5 klasy szkoły podstawewej i powszechnie uważano to za przejaw okupacji ze strony ZSRR. Może w tamtych krajach także tak to postrzegają? Rozumiem, że Rosjanie mogą się nad tym nie zastanawiać i tego tak nie odbierać, bo po prostu wy żyliście w Rosji, a nie w Polsce, czy Kazachstanie. Jaki język obcy był obowiązkowy w ZSRR poza rosyjskim? ------------------------- google translator:

    In Poland, the Russian language was taught without fail from the 5th grade of elementary school, and this was widely regarded as a manifestation of the occupation of the USSR. Maybe in these countries they also think so? I understand that the Russians may not think about it and not take it that way because you simply lived in Russia and not in Poland or Kazakhstan. What foreign language was compulsory in the USSR except Russian?

    The language of the republic was taught in the national republics, and German, French, and English were studied in all schools.
    A lot or a little is another matter.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 May 2020 17: 07
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    Quote: BMP-2
    Interestingly, do these district princes understand that by declaring a decrease in the number of Russians by 30%, they, in fact, admit the genocide of the Russian people?

    They understand everything perfectly. In our country (then, in 1989), in Tajikistan, the first teachers of the school and doctors were driven out of work by language. The competition of Russian-speaking specialists is immensely strong compared to local ones. The Supreme Council raised the question - HOW TO COMMUNICATE A PATIENT Lying on the Operating Table? If then I have the opportunity to answer the question - And you yourself, under anesthesia, in what language are you talking? The result of this idiocy does not need to be explained.
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    Bulanov (Vladimir) 19 May 2020 17: 09
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    Are there many English left in India? And English is one of the state.
    And if in Central Asia they prefer English to Russian, then let them go to work in England ...
    1. Yevgeny Mikhailov (Vyacheslav Plotnikov) 20 May 2020 11: 20
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      Not so, dear Bulanov. It is necessary to return to the country of Russia attractiveness through SUCCESS. For 30 years, the stupid state of “Capitalist Russia” (RK) has “steered” the territory of Russia. It kills dreams! What matters to the state of traders in aviation, in patriotism, in the army ...? To literature, to problems of the Russian language? "To portray love" great learned. Great to learn to parody.
      Satan is the "monkey of God." And the spiritual basis of "capitalism" is Satanism. Neither respect for Tradition, nor stability, nor Order are necessary for the adherents of Evil.
      Russians (and other indigenous peoples of Russia) will have their own state - they will certainly have something to tell their citizens and citizens of neighboring states. It unequivocally will be able to gently force to respect the MEANING, TRADITIONS, ORDER. Not yet. Not Russians in spirit are now commanding in Russia. They themselves are dismissive of the Russian Tradition. Do they have something to say to other states? When "their" people have nothing to say.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 May 2020 17: 19
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    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    .. That's right. More languages ​​- steeper country, smarter people ..
    You won’t be smarter by all means. But a person has much more personal chances. Moreover, we are talking about world languages, not about small-town dialects, jargons, or, as it is fashionable to say today, mov)

    Through the Russian language, the peoples of the USSR were connected to world culture, literature, and science. Technical terms. There are no and never have been in Kazakh, Tajik, Lithuanian, etc. Having forgotten the Russian language, through a generation, the people will be deprived of the opportunity to read Japanese, French, German books translated into Russian. Yes, Abay Kunanbayev will be read in the original source. BUT! Who stopped reading it in the source yesterday? Leo Tolstoy will be forgotten. Return to the stone age of nationalism. Tamerlan didn’t leave anything, he was not the same person. It was not culture, but destruction, terror, the victims of which were the first Kazakhs.
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 19 May 2020 17: 49
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    - Personally, I have written about this more than once ... - It's just horror ...- just horror ...
    - And what proverbial CSTO is becoming more and more fake ... - What language are these “joint warriors" going to speak ??? - In Aglitsky or something ??? - Or there will be "mine ... do not understand yours" ??? - That's the "military agreement" ... - one laugh ... - you can’t imagine on purpose ...
    - In general - all this is strange and scary ... - in Ukraine because of this the war has been going on for six years already ... - And the “Bakhtiyar Limitrophs” warmed themselves in the warm underbelly of Russia and do what they want with quiet glanders ... - And In response, Russia - not gu-gu ... - just know yourself ... - arranges and provides guest workers from these limitrophs at home ... - That's how it turns out ...
    - Respect to the author and my plus ... - the topic is so topical that it simply does not happen topical ...
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 19 May 2020 18: 16
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    It seems that no one is engaged in the near abroad. In some countries, American biolaboratory originated. They could not have arisen in one day. One roar, and they would come to their senses. It turns out that the calves in two queens sucks.
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    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 19 May 2020 19: 19
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    Kazakhstan is slowly but surely following the road of the non-brothers. Bad end - blaze - do not run away. And Great China is near - and he will not stand on ceremony with the Kazakhs. Absolutely.
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      Bulanov (Vladimir) 19 May 2020 21: 40
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      When Kazakhstan burns, the main Kazakhs will go to the Rostov region. It’s already heated there ...
  • Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 19 May 2020 21: 48
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    What do you want? Our allies have always been the army and navy. For some time, aviation was added to them.
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    rybalkin-igor (Igor Rybalkin) 19 May 2020 22: 38
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    And what do we care about whether they study Russian in the former republics or not? This is their sovereign right.
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      GRF 20 May 2020 04: 57
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      The point is to protect the rights of Russians abroad.
      Such a person lives all his life from birth and then he bam, the rights change. And he does not have the opportunity to defend his rights. After all, the right to life is also a right that someone might want to change ...
      And all this because of the irresponsibility of the people, because of - and what is the matter to us, because - and what can we, because - my hut from the edge ...
      When they eat Russian there, they will come to eat here. Then, of course, there will be a war, and we will win, but it is a pity for those who are eaten ...
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        rybalkin-igor (Igor Rybalkin) 21 May 2020 16: 38
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        Russians do not live abroad. More precisely, they live when they are there on a business trip or on vacation.
        And people who know the Russian language are not Russian. For example, in Ukraine, these Russians are perfectly at war in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. Do you care so much about them?
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          GRF 21 May 2020 16: 50
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          Where only Russians do not live and would live even more extensively if they did not survive. In the Baltic states, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan ... is there an APU? Not everyone was able to leave, many did not want to, where? Where are they waiting? About such and speech.
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            rybalkin-igor (Igor Rybalkin) 24 May 2020 11: 36
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            And who makes them live there? What do we care about people who know the Russian language?
            Everyone who considers Russia to be their homeland left from there back in the early 90s. There are those who like to live there. And let them live.
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    oracul (leonid) 20 May 2020 07: 07
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    What is happening in Kazakhstan is not news, since the process of squeezing Russians out of the country has led to what we have there now. They tried not to offend Nazarbayev, but the outwardly innocuous tilt towards nationalism is dangerous because it is a breeding ground for Nazism. Nationalism is treated only by truth.
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    Evgeny Erofeev (Evgeny Erofeev) 20 May 2020 07: 28
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    This is done to complete the routine of the people, it is easier to rule the local princes. The Russian language gave them a chance to become people, but now there is no chance and I think the ruling elite (the criminal group) understands this well. But alas (not for me), there will be no continuation, like the people, I am not talking about statehood at all.
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    Alexzn (Alexander) 20 May 2020 08: 31
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    Quote: BMP-2
    Interestingly, do these district princes understand that by declaring a decrease in the number of Russians by 30%, they, in fact, admit the genocide of the Russian people?

    Do you understand the meaning of the word GENOCIDE? Indicate what it is in Kazakhstan.
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    Sergey Pedenko (Sergey Pedenko) 20 May 2020 08: 50
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    And what is Russia doing to make Russian a priority?
  • georgy zakharyan (georgy zakharyan) 20 May 2020 11: 14
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    ... for example, Canada, Great Britain, Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Finland, New Zealand and others ...

    OK!!! But only the countries taken as an example are not quite Russia. More precisely, it is NOT RUSSIA at all.
    Russia before them, alas and ah, as "to China in a plastusky" way. And then. What is this "divorce for suckers" ???

    ... but respect for their native language, rights and interests is the key to good neighborly relations.

    How can the adoption of the law on paperwork in the native language interfere with everyday communication in Russian, Russians with each other, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, etc.? The author, it seems to me that you yourself are an inveterate xenophobe and a nationalist hiding behind the GREAT and POSSIBLE LANGUAGE.
    Either stop writing nonsense, or voluntarily admit that you are not only misleading, you are also trying (clumsily, by the way) to “threaten” from the sofa with this:

    ... Why did Nur-Sultan get up on the same curved path that Ukraine followed in 2014? Does the Kazakh authorities really need similar problems in the north of the country, like the one in the South-East? ...
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      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 May 2020 11: 41
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      Quote: georgy zakharyan
      The author, it seems to me that you yourself are an inveterate xenophobe and a nationalist hiding behind the GREAT and POSSIBLE LANGUAGE.
      Either stop writing nonsense, or voluntarily admit that you are not only misleading, you are also trying (clumsily, by the way) to “threaten” from the sofa with this:

      ... Why did Nur-Sultan get up on the same curved path that Ukraine followed in 2014? Does the Kazakh authorities really need similar problems in the north of the country, like the one in the South-East? ...

      You yourself rave.
  • paramidon tabletkin (paramidon tabletkin) 20 May 2020 13: 27
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    Yah!!! Guest workers from all over the former USSR speak excellent Russian.
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    Don36 (Don36) 20 May 2020 18: 22
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    It is high time for the inhabitants of the Kremlin to understand that all the countries of the USSR built their independence on Russophobia and that they are not allies of the Russian Federation ... The parasites - YES, the allies - NO !!! It’s time for Russia to stop feeding these countries and their natives! How many wolves do not feed, he all the same looks into the forest! And these, not even wolves, since the honor didn’t even stand next to them ... They all swore and swore allegiance to Russia and all betrayed it!
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    Syoma_67 (Semyon) 20 May 2020 22: 26
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    The closest allies of Russia

    - Russia no longer has allies in the literal sense of the word. There are still countries that somehow depend on it. This can be judged at least on the issue of Crimea. Here is a list of countries that supported Russia: Belarus, Bolivia, Burundi, Cambodia, Cuba, DPRK, Iran, Laos, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Serbia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Zimbabwe - Belarus and Uzbekistan can no longer be considered, Cuba, I think, too, it will quickly cooperate with the West.
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 21 May 2020 00: 35
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      “Russia's closest allies” - Russia no longer has allies in the literal sense of the word. There are still countries that somehow depend on it. This can be judged at least on the issue of Crimea. Here is a list of countries that supported Russia: Belarus, Bolivia, Burundi, Cambodia, Cuba, DPRK, Iran, Laos, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Serbia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Zimbabwe - Belarus and Uzbekistan can no longer be considered, Cuba, I think, too, it will quickly cooperate with the West.

      It doesn’t matter who supported Russia on the issue of Crimea; most importantly, the people of Crimea and Russia support this.
      Regarding the list, how do Bolivia from Burundi and Zimbabwe depend on us? As for Belarus and Uzbekistan, “we’ll see” about Cuba’s cooperation with the West - did you read the Baltic press?
      By the way, the list of countries is quite normal, in any case, better than that, which voted against the glorification of Nazism - Ukraine, the USA.
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      rybalkin-igor (Igor Rybalkin) 24 May 2020 11: 39
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      We never had allies. Never ever. We always had only two faithful allies, the ARMY and the Navy.
  • Konstantin Sokolov (Konstantin Sokolov) 20 May 2020 23: 20
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    We did not have a single friendly country in the world, and this is all thanks to Putin's policy.
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      rybalkin-igor (Igor Rybalkin) 24 May 2020 11: 39
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      Jump to your Ukraine.
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    Jonik ismjam (Jonik Ismjam) 21 May 2020 04: 46
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    We should speak and think in English now
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    69 21 May 2020 05: 35
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    The question should be decided radically, if you don’t know how to do it in Russian, roll into your ulus.
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    Yan Yanin (Yan Yanin) 21 May 2020 07: 35
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    We were divided and put on external control! Our CIS presidents are simply the heads of their reservations for the disposal of unnecessary human waste to their owners.