When the American F-35 will converge in a real battle with Russian fighters


The fifth-generation American fighter F-35s and Russian Su-57s, as well as our other combat aircraft, may very well try each other out. True, for this the United States does not need to declare war on Russia. In the future, it will be possible to find out in the Middle East who is better at coping with the assigned missions.


Most likely, Israeli pilots will be at the helm of the F-35, and the circle of potential buyers of Russian fighters from among Israel’s neighbors is constantly growing.

Tel Aviv has a large fleet of modified F-16s and F-15s, with a total of over three hundred. The Israeli Air Force has traditionally relied on sudden preemptive strikes, which has been repeatedly demonstrated in recent years in Syria and Iraq, where they mercilessly bomb Iran’s military infrastructure. The appearance of Russian-made S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems in the SAR contributed to the rebalancing of forces in the region. Why are they really inactive, we detail disassembled earlier. This is a question more politicalthan the military, however, the IDF is forced to take into account this new factor.

To defeat targets covered by an air defense system, Tel Aviv purchased a batch of American F-35A Lightning II and F-15 Eagle. In 2018, the Israeli Air Force announced the first combat use of the fifth generation fighter F-35A. Despite this, information on the aircraft’s multiple design flaws that do not allow it to be considered a full-fledged “wunderwaffe” is constantly leaking into the media.

It should be mentioned that in the future, Israelis may lose their dominant air position in the Middle East. In October 2020, the UN Security Council’s ban on Tehran’s purchase of modern combat aircraft expires. Iranian aviation is numerous, but very outdated, during the Afghan and Vietnamese wars, plus there are Chinese copies of Soviet aircraft. Today, it is Russia and China that can seriously help the Islamic Republic in building modern air forces.

After the collapse of the USSR, Tehran tried to buy MiG-29, Tu-22M, MiG-27 bombers, MiG-31 and Su-30SM fighters from Moscow, and J-10 from Beijing, but sanctions prevented it. Then neither Russia nor China were ready to quarrel with the United States. Now a lot has changed. What can the Iranians count on?

Iranian Air Force could be replenished with Russian export fighters of the 4 ++ generation Su-30SM, aircraft of the same generation MiG-35 and multi-functional Su-35S generations. The “cherry on the cake” may be the fifth-generation fighter Su-57 in the export version. They are expensive, and you can’t buy a lot of them, but the Su-57 in capable hands can balance the situation in the air with the Israelis. The Chinese comrades, if desired, will be able to help the Iranians with J-10C fighters of the “4+” generation.

Add problems the IDF is capable of selling the MiG-29M and MiG-35 to neighboring Syria and Egypt. Cairo also signed a contract for the purchase of more than 20 Russian Su-35 fighters. Interest in the Su-35 and Su-57 also showed Turkey, which has a difficult relationship with Israel. It is clear that the more Russian combat aircraft appear in the sky over the Middle East, the more likely they are to collide with the American F-35. Then it will become clear what they stand in real business.
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  1. Cyril Offline
    Cyril (Kirill) 18 May 2020 15: 01
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    They are expensive, and you can’t buy a lot of them, but the Su-57 in skilled hands able to balance the situation in the air with the Israelis.

    Keyword - Skillful)
  2. fider Offline
    fider (fider) 18 May 2020 15: 05
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    The author is in full swing. Dreams of someone annoying Israel. Dreaming is not harmful, but as they say, do not swarm another hole ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 30
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      Is it really about Israel? It says (literally!) About:

      When the American F-35 will converge in a real battle with Russian fighters.

      But the fact that

      .. At the controls of the F-35, most likely, will be Israeli pilots ..

      so .. Well, no matter how they forcibly tie their hands to the F-35 helms. Or am I wrong?
    2. Marzhecki Offline
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 June 2020 12: 16
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      Do not attribute to me your nonsense. I generally have exactly Israel.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 May 2020 15: 17
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    Some unrealistic assumptions.
    Israel showed its aggressive nature, bombing Syria at war (???) with it, despite all sorts of ....
    Iran also showed itself to be peaceful ... having shot down its own plane, hitting a ship and getting confused in statements, news, missile attacks and arms deliveries ...
  4. Winnie Offline
    Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 16: 56
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    The Israelis have never had any particular problems with either the "best in the world" air defense, or with the "best in the world" EW systems, or with the "best in the world" airplanes. This was especially vividly demonstrated in South Lebanon (Operation Medvedka-19, June 1982), when the Israelis shot down 80 Soviet aircraft without losing a single one.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 01
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      It’s all so, but then, since you called the Soviet-made Syrian aircraft obsolete at that time - Soviet, then, in fairness, you need to name the "best in the world" air defense, the "best in the world" electronic warfare equipment, and also the best in the world "aircraft" - And by the way, maybe the Americans themselves also fought with all this? Then where is the valor of Israel in that victory?)
      1. Winnie Offline
        Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 19: 08
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        In fairness, one should name the "best in the world" air defense, the "best in the world" electronic warfare equipment, as well as the best "planes" in the world - American.

        I didn’t pull you by the tongue. Since you think that American air defense, electronic warfare and airplanes are the best, for God's sake. It is your opinion. I won’t even argue. hi
        1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 14
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          ... in fairness, you need to call the "best in the world" air defense, the "best in the world" electronic warfare equipment, as well as the best in the world "aircraft" - American.

          I didn’t pull you by the tongue. Since you think that American air defense, electronic warfare and airplanes are the best, for God's sake. It is your opinion. I won’t even argue ..

          Well, we are talking about that particular case. Yes, it was in that case that the Americans simply had a huge technical advantage against the Syrians. There is even no need to compare.
          It’s right that you “will not even argue” about the valor of the Israelis themselves in this “battle”.
          1. Winnie Offline
            Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 20: 49
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            the Americans had a huge technical advantage against the Syrians.

            Do you want to provide evidence of the participation of Americans in this conflict?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 21: 38
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              Do you want to provide evidence of the participation of Americans in this conflict?

              I AM? No, why? We live in a glorious time “highly likely”) We will accept this as an axiom and deal with the end.
              1. Winnie Offline
                Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 22: 01
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                I AM? No, why?

                Then I highly likely have nothing to talk about with you. The same highly likely I will hear from the TV.

                We take it as an axiom

                I recognize the Russian agitation industry. lol hi
                1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 22: 10
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                  I recognize the Russian agitation industry.

                  - you somehow say so anti-Russian that it becomes obvious that you are not a Russian).
                  And with you, there’s nothing to talk about)) Your intellectual rating in your profile is the lowest of all participating here. Why do you think so?
                  1. Winnie Offline
                    Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 22: 12
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                    Why do you think so?

                    Because I'm not a bumming ram! tongue
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                  2. isofat Offline
                    isofat (Sergei) 18 May 2020 22: 24
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                    Dear Couch Expertand he’s right, he’s not a rival to a ram. smile

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert
                    You have the lowest intellectual rating in your profile ... Why do you think?

                    Quote: Winnie
                    Because I'm not a bumming ram!
        2. Wanderer039 Offline
          Wanderer039 18 May 2020 20: 34
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          Something supposedly the best in the world of the Patriot air defense system in the hands of supposedly the most intelligent Jews could not bring down 100% of even antediluvian rockets from the time of Nikitos Khrushchev, Israel also somehow does not work with Hezbollah artisanal missiles ... And as for the Soviet air defense systems , read the book of Robert Jackson (Legendary fighters), the Israeli Air Force losses are quite fully indicated there, and it is difficult to suspect British sympathies for the Russian Federation ... so that info is completely correct and without Israeli censorship ..
      2. Tramp1812 Offline
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 19 May 2020 19: 37
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        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        And by the way, maybe the Americans themselves also fought with all this? Then where is the valor of Israel in that victory?)

        Let’s analyze your claim that it’s not Israeli pilots who were at the helm of fighters who won an unprecedented victory in world history over the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense. First things first. The design of your syllogism. You ask a question:

        Perhaps the Americans themselves fought with all this? Then where is the prowess of Israel in that victory?

        So the conclusions are not built, from the word absolutely. The interrogative attitude of predicates toward subjects transforms the conclusion into an incorrect one. Since it is not based on a statement, but on a question. But judging by your lack of basic knowledge of formal logic, you naturally understood nothing from what I said. Therefore, I will explain how it is now fashionable to say: for dummies. You ask two questions that you do not answer. And the second question - the question is - the statement that they say what is the victory of the Israelis, if in the first question your statement “maybe” was at the helm of the Americans? Let's build your syllogism, as expected. At the controls of the aircraft were American pilots. The predicate "were" is causally related to the subject "American pilots." And then we can conclude: there is no valor of Israeli pilots in this. And give a link where this fact is documented. No questions. Otherwise, you run the risk of earning a reputation as a "couch expert." Irresponsible, illiterate. And of course - not respected. I would ask you to bring your unkempt fantasies in line with the requirements of formal logic. And back up the source. In any other case, with any other answer, it will be a concussion, and with the corresponding amber. What a shame! For my part, I venture to assert that it was the Jewish pilots of the glorious State of Israel that completely defeated the Syrian pilots with a dry score of 82: 0. In an open battle, demonstrating the highest professional qualities and valor. Link. Text from Wikipedia.

        June 7-11, 1982 in the sky over Lebanon, a series of air battles unfolded between military aircraft of the Syrian and Israeli air forces. On both sides, about 350 aircraft participated in them. According to the estimates of the participants in the events, 120-200 combat vehicles were simultaneously participating in separate fragments of the battles. In total, the Syrian Air Force during this time, according to various estimates, lost 78-82 MiG-21, MiG-23 and Su-22 aircraft. The Israelis had no casualties.

        There is also the impression of the battle of General Yashkin, who claims that the Israelis - the Zionists (not the Americans!) - shot down the Syrian planes like flies.
        So: are you trying to front everything? It's a shame at your age.
        1. isofat Offline
          isofat (Sergei) 19 May 2020 21: 12
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          Tramp1812, where did you see the syllogism in a comment of three sentences, two of which are interrogative?

          Israel does not have its own aircraft; Syrians also do not produce aircraft. Israel, as an active side, was armed with more modern technology before the start of the operation.

          Both Syrian and Israeli data are not objective. All.
          Did your love of logic prevent you from honestly arguing?
          1. Tramp1812 Offline
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 20 May 2020 00: 19
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            Quote: isofat
            Tramp1812 where did you see the syllogism in a comment of three sentences, two of which are interrogative?

            Israel does not have its own aircraft; Syrians also do not produce aircraft. Israel, as an active side, was armed with more modern technology before the start of the operation.

            Both Syrian and Israeli data are not objective. All.
            Did your love of logic prevent you from honestly arguing?

            The fact of the matter is that it is impossible to build any syllogism from two questions. But this is exactly what the old sofa air shaker with a characteristic amber “built syllogism”. The data is not Syrian or Israeli. Soviet data. Read the memoirs of the main Soviet expert G. Yashkin. The rout was too demonstrative to be silenced. Even such recognized caveman anti-Semites as Maxim Kalashnikov cite the same figures about him, they wrote. In particular, in the "Broken Sword of the Empire." Read before you disgrace. Your peremptory “Everything” is like that uninvited guest who is no better than the syllogism of the two questions of the shaker. As for the dishonesty you have seen in the dispute, these are the costs of your upbringing. In short: ordinary rudeness. And inability to discuss. In a knowingly losing dispute. The thesis is weak, strengthen the voice. Such notes were made by Sir Winston Churchill in the pages of his speeches in the English Parliament. Elementary Watson.
            1. isofat Offline
              isofat (Sergei) 20 May 2020 01: 21
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              Tramp1812, the world is changing, what place will Israel take in this new world? I think that nobody will need Israel.
              1. Tramp1812 Offline
                Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 20 May 2020 04: 28
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                He already occupies a worthy place in the world. And it will take. Still, there I am. And this is a very significant factor.)
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    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 May 2020 18: 25
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    ... but the Su-57 in capable hands is able to balance the state of affairs in the air with the Israelis ...

    - where to get them, especially in the indicated places?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 16
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      ... where to get them, especially in the indicated places? ..

      Where to get the "Israelis in the air"?))
  6. Wanderer039 Offline
    Wanderer039 18 May 2020 20: 28
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    Sukhoi Design Bureau fighters are better compared with the F-22, and not with the F-35, as these are heavy vehicles, and the F-35's analogues are the light MiG-29SMT and MiG-35 ...
  7. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 23 May 2020 00: 40
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    Quote: fider
    The author is in full swing. Dreams of someone annoying Israel. Dreaming is not harmful, but as they say, do not swarm another hole ...

    Who about what, and lousy - about the bath.
  8. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 23 May 2020 00: 41
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    Quote: Rogue1812
    He already occupies a worthy place in the world. And it will take. Still, there I am. And this is a very significant factor.)

    And I think, well, why do I have a sharp negative attitude towards Israel? Now it’s clear why.
  9. aleksandrmakedo Offline
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 23 May 2020 00: 42
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    Quote: Arkharov
    ... but the Su-57 in capable hands is able to balance the state of affairs in the air with the Israelis ...

    - where to get them, especially in the indicated places?

    Well, definitely not in your pocket.
  10. Netyn Offline
    Netyn (Netyn) 23 May 2020 03: 04
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    Enough to promote the F-35, it’s not combat ready. These Americans, with all the documentation, even the ancient Yak-141 could not properly tear.