When the American F-35 will converge in a real battle with Russian fighters


The fifth-generation American fighter F-35s and Russian Su-57s, as well as our other combat aircraft, may very well try each other out. True, for this the United States does not need to declare war on Russia. In the future, it will be possible to find out in the Middle East who is better at coping with the assigned missions.


Most likely, Israeli pilots will be at the helm of the F-35, and the circle of potential buyers of Russian fighters from among Israel’s neighbors is constantly growing.

Tel Aviv has a large fleet of modified F-16s and F-15s, with a total of over three hundred. The Israeli Air Force has traditionally relied on sudden preemptive strikes, which has been repeatedly demonstrated in recent years in Syria and Iraq, where they mercilessly bomb Iran’s military infrastructure. The appearance of Russian-made S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems in the SAR contributed to the rebalancing of forces in the region. Why are they really inactive, we detail disassembled earlier. This is a question more politicalthan the military, however, the IDF is forced to take into account this new factor.

To defeat targets covered by an air defense system, Tel Aviv purchased a batch of American F-35A Lightning II and F-15 Eagle. In 2018, the Israeli Air Force announced the first combat use of the fifth generation fighter F-35A. Despite this, information on the aircraft’s multiple design flaws that do not allow it to be considered a full-fledged “wunderwaffe” is constantly leaking into the media.

It should be mentioned that in the future, Israelis may lose their dominant air position in the Middle East. In October 2020, the UN Security Council’s ban on Tehran’s purchase of modern combat aircraft expires. Iranian aviation is numerous, but very outdated, during the Afghan and Vietnamese wars, plus there are Chinese copies of Soviet aircraft. Today, it is Russia and China that can seriously help the Islamic Republic in building modern air forces.

After the collapse of the USSR, Tehran tried to buy MiG-29, Tu-22M, MiG-27 bombers, MiG-31 and Su-30SM fighters from Moscow, and J-10 from Beijing, but sanctions prevented it. Then neither Russia nor China were ready to quarrel with the United States. Now a lot has changed. What can the Iranians count on?

Iranian Air Force could be replenished with Russian export fighters of the 4 ++ generation Su-30SM, aircraft of the same generation MiG-35 and multi-functional Su-35S generations. The “cherry on the cake” may be the fifth-generation fighter Su-57 in the export version. They are expensive, and you can’t buy a lot of them, but the Su-57 in capable hands can balance the situation in the air with the Israelis. The Chinese comrades, if desired, will be able to help the Iranians with J-10C fighters of the “4+” generation.

Add problems the IDF is capable of selling the MiG-29M and MiG-35 to neighboring Syria and Egypt. Cairo also signed a contract for the purchase of more than 20 Russian Su-35 fighters. Interest in the Su-35 and Su-57 also showed Turkey, which has a difficult relationship with Israel. It is clear that the more Russian combat aircraft appear in the sky over the Middle East, the more likely they are to collide with the American F-35. Then it will become clear what they stand in real business.
Ad
The publication is looking for authors in the news and analytical departments. Requirements for applicants: literacy, responsibility, efficiency, inexhaustible creative energy, experience in copywriting or journalism, the ability to quickly analyze text and check facts, write concisely and interestingly on political and economic topics. The work is paid. Contact: [email protected]
28 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.
I have an account? Sign in
  1. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 18 May 2020 15: 01
    +1
    They are expensive, and you can’t buy a lot of them, but the Su-57 in skilled hands able to balance the situation in the air with the Israelis.

    Keyword - Skillful)
  2. fider Offline fider
    fider (fider) 18 May 2020 15: 05
    +1
    The author is in full swing. Dreams of someone annoying Israel. Dreaming is not harmful, but as they say, do not swarm another hole ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 30
      +3
      Is it really about Israel? It says (literally!) About:

      When the American F-35 will converge in a real battle with Russian fighters.

      But the fact that

      .. At the controls of the F-35, most likely, will be Israeli pilots ..

      so .. Well, no matter how they forcibly tie their hands to the F-35 helms. Or am I wrong?
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 June 2020 12: 16
      0
      Do not attribute to me your nonsense. I generally have exactly Israel.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 May 2020 15: 17
    +4
    Some unrealistic assumptions.
    Israel showed its aggressive nature, bombing Syria at war (???) with it, despite all sorts of ....
    Iran also showed itself to be peaceful ... having shot down its own plane, hitting a ship and getting confused in statements, news, missile attacks and arms deliveries ...
  4. Winnie Offline Winnie
    Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 16: 56
    -2
    The Israelis have never had any particular problems with either the "best in the world" air defense system, nor with the "best in the world" electronic warfare systems, or with the "best in the world" aircraft. This was especially clearly demonstrated in South Lebanon (Operation Medvedka-19, June 1982), when the Israelis shot down 80 Soviet planes without losing a single one.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 01
      0
      Everything is so, but then, since you called outdated at that time Soviet-made Syrian aircraft - Soviet, then in fairness it is necessary to call "the world's best" air defense, "the world's best" electronic warfare systems, as well as the world's best "aircraft" - By the way, maybe the Americans themselves fought all this too? Then where is Israel's valor in that victory?)
      1. Winnie Offline Winnie
        Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 19: 08
        -4
        For the sake of justice, it is necessary to call the "best in the world" air defense, "the best in the world" electronic warfare systems, as well as the best "aircraft" in the world - American.

        I didn’t pull you by the tongue. Since you think that American air defense, electronic warfare and airplanes are the best, for God's sake. It is your opinion. I won’t even argue. hi
        1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 14
          +2
          ... for the sake of justice it is necessary to call the "best in the world" air defense, "the best in the world" electronic warfare systems, as well as the best "aircraft" in the world - American.

          I didn’t pull you by the tongue. Since you think that American air defense, electronic warfare and airplanes are the best, for God's sake. It is your opinion. I won’t even argue ..

          Well, we are talking about that particular case. Yes, it was in that case that the Americans simply had a huge technical advantage against the Syrians. There is even no need to compare.
          It’s right that you “will not even argue” about the valor of the Israelis themselves in this “battle”.
          1. Winnie Offline Winnie
            Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 20: 49
            -2
            the Americans had a huge technical advantage against the Syrians.

            Do you want to provide evidence of the participation of Americans in this conflict?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 21: 38
              +1
              Do you want to provide evidence of the participation of Americans in this conflict?

              I AM? No, why? We live in a glorious time “highly likely”) We will accept this as an axiom and deal with the end.
              1. Winnie Offline Winnie
                Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 22: 01
                0
                I AM? No, why?

                Then I highly likely have nothing to talk about with you. The same highly likely I will hear from the TV.

                We take it as an axiom

                I recognize the Russian agitation industry. lol hi
                1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 22: 10
                  0
                  I recognize the Russian agitation industry.

                  - you somehow say so anti-Russian that it becomes obvious that you are not a Russian).
                  And with you, there’s nothing to talk about)) Your intellectual rating in your profile is the lowest of all participating here. Why do you think so?
                  1. Winnie Offline Winnie
                    Winnie (Winnie) 18 May 2020 22: 12
                    0
                    Why do you think so?

                    Because I'm not a bumming ram! tongue
                    1. The comment was deleted.
                      1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 18 May 2020 22: 24
                    -1
                    Dear Couch Expertand he’s right, he’s not a rival to a ram. smile

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert
                    You have the lowest intellectual rating in your profile ... Why do you think?

                    Quote: Winnie
                    Because I'm not a bumming ram!
        2. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
          Wanderer039 18 May 2020 20: 34
          +2
          Something supposedly the best Patriot air defense systems in the world in the hands of the supposedly smartest Jews could not shoot down 100% of even antediluvian missiles from the times of Nikitos Khrushchev, Israel somehow also does badly with artisanal Hezbollah missiles ... And what about the Soviet air defense systems , read the book by Robert Jackson (Legendary Fighters), the Israeli Air Force losses are quite fully indicated there, and it is difficult to suspect the British in sympathy for the Russian Federation ... so the info is quite correct without Israeli censorship ..
      2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 19 May 2020 19: 37
        -3
        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        And by the way, maybe the Americans themselves also fought with all this? Then where is the valor of Israel in that victory?)

        Let’s analyze your claim that it’s not Israeli pilots who were at the helm of fighters who won an unprecedented victory in world history over the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense. First things first. The design of your syllogism. You ask a question:

        Perhaps the Americans themselves fought with all this? Then where is the prowess of Israel in that victory?

        So inferences are not built, from the word absolutely. An interrogative attitude of predicates to subjects transforms the conclusion into an incorrect one. Because it is not based on a statement but on a question. But judging by your lack of basic knowledge of formal logic, you naturally did not understand anything from what I said. Therefore, I will explain how it is now fashionable to say: for dummies. You are asking two questions that you do not answer. And the second question - already a question - is the statement, what is the victory of the Israelis, if in the first question your statement "maybe" were the Americans at the helm? Let's build your syllogism as expected. American pilots were at the controls of the aircraft. The predicate "were" is causally related to the subject "American pilots." Then we can conclude: the prowess of the Israeli pilots is not in this. And give a link where this fact is documented. No questions. Otherwise, you run the risk of earning a reputation as a "sofa expert". Irresponsible, illiterate. And of course - not respected. I would ask you to bring your unkempt fantasies into line with the requirements of formal logic. And back up with links to the source. In any other case, with any other answer, it will be an air concussion, and with the corresponding amber. What a shame! For my part, I undertake to assert that it was the Jewish pilots of the glorious State of Israel who completely defeated the Syrian pilots with a dry score of 82: 0. In open combat, demonstrating the highest professional qualities and valor. Link. Text from Wikipedia.

        June 7-11, 1982 in the sky over Lebanon, a series of air battles unfolded between military aircraft of the Syrian and Israeli air forces. On both sides, about 350 aircraft participated in them. According to the estimates of the participants in the events, 120-200 combat vehicles were simultaneously participating in separate fragments of the battles. In total, the Syrian Air Force during this time, according to various estimates, lost 78-82 MiG-21, MiG-23 and Su-22 aircraft. The Israelis had no casualties.

        There is also the impression of the battle of General Yashkin, who claims that the Israelis - the Zionists (not the Americans!) - shot down the Syrian planes like flies.
        So: are you trying to front everything? It's a shame at your age.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 19 May 2020 21: 12
          +3
          Tramp1812, where did you see the syllogism in a comment of three sentences, two of which are interrogative?

          Israel does not have its own aircraft; Syrians also do not produce aircraft. Israel, as an active side, was armed with more modern technology before the start of the operation.

          Both Syrian and Israeli data are not objective. All.
          Did your love of logic prevent you from honestly arguing?
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 20 May 2020 00: 19
            -2
            Quote: isofat
            Tramp1812 where did you see the syllogism in a comment of three sentences, two of which are interrogative?

            Israel does not have its own aircraft; Syrians also do not produce aircraft. Israel, as an active side, was armed with more modern technology before the start of the operation.

            Both Syrian and Israeli data are not objective. All.
            Did your love of logic prevent you from honestly arguing?

            The fact of the matter is that it is impossible to construct any syllogism from two questions. But this is exactly how the old sofa air shaker with a characteristic ambergris "built the syllogism". The data is not Syrian or Israeli. Soviet data. Read the memoirs of the chief Soviet expert G. Yashkin. The rout was too demonstrative to be silenced. Even such recognized cave anti-Semites as Maxim Kalashnikov cite the same figures about him, they wrote. In particular, in "The Broken Sword of the Empire". Read before you embarrass yourself. Your peremptory "Everything", like that uninvited guest, which is no better than the syllogism of the two questions of the shaker. And as for my dishonesty you saw in the conduct of the dispute - these are the costs of your upbringing. In short: ordinary rudeness. And the inability to debate. In a notoriously losing dispute. Thesis is weak, strengthen the voice. Such notes were made by Sir Winston Churchill on the pages of his speeches in the English Parliament. Elementary Watson.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 20 May 2020 01: 21
              0
              Tramp1812, the world is changing, what place will Israel take in this new world? I think that nobody will need Israel.
              1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 20 May 2020 04: 28
                -2
                He already occupies a worthy place in the world. And it will take. Still, there I am. And this is a very significant factor.)
  5. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 May 2020 18: 25
    -3
    ... but the Su-57 in capable hands is able to balance the state of affairs in the air with the Israelis ...

    - where to get them, especially in the indicated places?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 19: 16
      -1
      ... where to get them, especially in the indicated places? ..

      Where to get the "Israelis in the air"?))
  6. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 18 May 2020 20: 28
    +3
    Sukhoi Design Bureau fighters are better compared with the F-22, and not with the F-35, as these are heavy vehicles, and the F-35's analogues are the light MiG-29SMT and MiG-35 ...
  7. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 23 May 2020 00: 40
    0
    Quote: fider
    The author is in full swing. Dreams of someone annoying Israel. Dreaming is not harmful, but as they say, do not swarm another hole ...

    Who about what, and lousy - about the bath.
  8. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 23 May 2020 00: 41
    0
    Quote: Rogue1812
    He already occupies a worthy place in the world. And it will take. Still, there I am. And this is a very significant factor.)

    And I think, well, why do I have a sharp negative attitude towards Israel? Now it’s clear why.
  9. aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 23 May 2020 00: 42
    0
    Quote: Arkharov
    ... but the Su-57 in capable hands is able to balance the state of affairs in the air with the Israelis ...

    - where to get them, especially in the indicated places?

    Well, definitely not in your pocket.
  10. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 23 May 2020 03: 04
    +2
    Enough to promote the F-35, it’s not combat ready. These Americans, with all the documentation, even the ancient Yak-141 could not properly tear.