Putin spoke about the secret to the success of Russian civilization


Russian leader Vladimir Putin in an interview with the program “Moscow. Kremlin. Putin "of the channel" Russia 1 "spoke about the secret to the success of Russian civilization. The video was recorded back in December 2019, but it was first shown just now.


The head of state emphasized that in order to preserve Russian civilization, emphasis should be placed on the development of new (high) of technologies.

Russia is not just a country, it is truly a separate civilization: it is a multinational country with a large number of traditions, cultures, religions. If we want to preserve civilization, we, of course, must focus on high technologies and their future development.

said the president.

Putin noted that such technologies are already changing the world. Therefore, the basis on which the country should develop should be artificial intelligence, unmanned vehicles, genetics, medicine and education. This is necessary to secure the future of Russian civilization.

We need to look carefully at what is being done in other countries of the world. Look at their achievements, but never forget that we have a very good base of our own. I have already spoken about this. This fact is already absolutely obvious. We would never have modern types of weapons. High tech species. Which so far, in any case, does not exist in any country in the world. How could we do this if we did not have fundamental science, neither scientific schools, nor engineering personnel. That would be absolutely impossible. But we did this, relying on everything that I just said. Now we need not only to transform these achievements into civilian spheres. But we also need to build on the achievements made by previous generations.

- Putin added.


In his opinion, Russia should use its competitive advantages in order to move on.
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  1. cmonman Offline
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 17 May 2020 21: 24
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    Russia is not just a country, it is truly a separate civilization.

    Apparently, he learned from Trump! He also often speaks loudly.
    If you look at the wording “Civilization” on Wiki, it turns out that “Russia as a Separate Civilization” does not exist and cannot exist. Country - yes, Civilization - no. Sorry !!!
    See for yourself:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Цивилизация

    There are 4 formulations of Civilizations, and not under what Russia, as a country, does not fall. Maybe Putin meant the extra chromosome (or lack thereof) among Russians? I do not know...
    Russians (or Russians) will understand this easier, I hope.
    But one can already be proud now - they began as Mayans (or Incas) ...
    Yes, I almost forgot!
    Adam Ferguson, who meant the Development Stage of Humanity by this term, could not have imagined that Russia is Civilization, and NOT-Russia is non-civilization. But Putin is a storyteller, not a philosopher, he, Putin, knows better how and who belongs to Humanity, and who does not ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 00: 11
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      ... Apparently, he learned from Trump! ..

      What you read, we taught you! Think better who you Putin will appoint the next president)
  2. argo44 Offline
    argo44 (mac) 17 May 2020 21: 40
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    To Rosja nie należy do cywilizacji słowiańskiej? Jiwne. Przypomina mi się Pan Xi, który powiedział o swoim narodzie coś w rodzaju (przytaczam z pamięci): "nie jesteśmy głupią cywilizacją". Kto tak mówi o sobie ??

    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Cywilizacja
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  3. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 May 2020 23: 09
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    Do you truly believe Wikipedia?
    I do not completely agree with Putin’s statement, but Vicki’s definition is not true either. At the moment, there are several civilizations on Earth. Chinese, Anglo-Saxon, Muslim. Definitions are different and can be interpreted in their own way.
    Russian Civilization exists, but I would not talk about its success. I would say that WASP has become the most successful.
    To the Polish comrade. It is possible to bring the definition to Slavic as well, but the human community now has such a parameter as religion. Catholic countries fall under another civilization. You can be attributed to the Western European. The gene set has nothing to do with it. Mentality, religion, worldview matter.
    Russian civilization has long been following in the footsteps of Western Europe. So it’s definitely not necessary to talk about successes.
    If we begin to strictly define Civilization, there will be many points of view.
    1. argo44 Offline
      argo44 (mac) 17 May 2020 23: 42
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      Podaję wikipedię, choć wiem, że często kłamie, jednak czy cywilizacja słowiańska nie istnieje? Moim zdaniem istnieje, znam nawet jedną opinię pewnego Turka, który stwierdził "w Europie są ludzie zachodu, są Słowianie i jesteśmy my". W krajach katolickich są także ateiści - podobnie jak iw Rosji i innych krajach niekatolickich. Słowianie nie należą w istocie do kręgu cywilizacji zachodniej - ponieważ kraje zachodnie walczą ze Słowianami tj. nie postrzegają nas jako "swoich". google translator:

      I give Wikipedia, although I know that he often lies, but does Slavic civilization not exist? In my opinion, there is, I even know one opinion of a Turk who said: "There are Westerners in Europe, there are Slavs, and we are we." There are also atheists in Catholic countries, as in Russia and other non-Catholic countries. In fact, the Slavs do not belong to the circle of Western civilization - because Western countries are fighting against the Slavs, that is, they do not perceive us as “their own”.
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 May 2020 23: 49
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        If you take the trouble to read an entire Wikipedia article, you will see criticism of the term “Civilization” at the end.
        I can give a quote from this article:

        common geopolitical conditions, primordial linguistic kinship, unity or closeness of the economic and political system, culture (including religion) and mentality.

        What is common in "Slavic civilization"? There is Russian civilization and there is Western European. Poles belong to the Western European civilization. In this case, no matter how regrettable for you - on the sidelines. If you think that Western countries are fighting against the Slavs, then I personally see how Poland is fighting Russia. Paradox? No. Just after the adoption of Catholicism, Poland moved to the Western camp.
        1. argo44 Offline
          argo44 (mac) 18 May 2020 09: 51
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          Moim zdanie istnieje coś takiego jak "cywilizacja śmierci" - ukryta władza, która postępując liniowo - od Egiptu do USA - stopniowo podbija napotkane krainy, podstępnie niezauważalnie niszczy ich kulturę i pamięć zamieniając po kilkuset latach w poddane sobie gromady, których z nową mentalnością używa do dalszych podbojów. Lachia - Lechia została podzielona na mniejsze części, by łatwiej ją pożreć. Germanie mówili po słowiańsku, Prusowie zostali zamienieni w Prusaków, Lachy z centrum w Po-Lachów (Polaków), Lachy ze skraja Lachii - w Ukraińców, a teraz Polacy zamieniani są w Europejczyków i kiowi kier kier

          In my opinion, there is such a thing as a “civilization of death” - a hidden force that, linearly, from Egypt to the USA, gradually conquers the discovered lands, cunningly imperceptibly destroys their culture and memory, turning after several hundred years into subordinate clusters that it uses with a new mentality for further conquest. Lachia - Lechia has been split into smaller parts to make it easier to devour. The Germans spoke Slavic, the Prussians were turned into Prussians, Lahi from the center in Po Lahov (Poles), Lahi from the edge of Lahia into Ukrainians, and now the Poles are turning into Europeans and directed against Russians ...

          https://maciejsynak.blogspot.com/2017/12/rozprzestrzenianie-sie-cywilizacji.html
    2. cmonman Offline
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 18 May 2020 00: 51
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      Bakhtiyar, I was wrong in defining civilization. Found today 4 -
      Islamic, South Asian, East Asian, Western
      And the map is attached.

      http://www.essential-humanities.net/history-overview/global-civilizations/

      The authors include Europe, Russia, North. - South America to Western Civilization. Edward Radzinsky believes that Russia has gone through 20 civilizations in the entire 3th century.
      You said:

      Definitions are different and can be interpreted in their own way.
      Russian Civilization exists, but I would not talk about its success.

      Totally agree with you. I hastened to make a comment a floor above without “sufficient knowledge of the material”.
    3. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 18 May 2020 09: 09
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      I don’t know, maybe it just caught my eye. But Mr. Putin elegantly adapted the name of Russian civilization to the more desirable and "politically correct" - "Russian civilization." What can be the secret of success if it has not grown during its existence, but rather has contracted. Indeed, according to legend, it began somewhere on the island of Buyan, and the USSR was very close to its ancient borders, but it was sold.
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  5. beeper Offline
    beeper 17 May 2020 23: 37
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    Of course, not the whole range of "basic foundations of growth" of our common multinational Russian Civilization in two minutes outlined the incumbent President of Russia, only part of the important named. yes

    Even if we take that with the development of the same, now “fashionable”, “artificial intelligence”, one cannot do without an in-depth applied study of psychology and comprehension of the secrets of the brain (and not only mammals), consciousness and subconsciousness, I would come first, first all of these (in fact - all the same secondary, IMHO), listed to the journalist, the "basic foundations", would put the Comprehensive Development (not only "education" !!!) Thinking The Man of Russian Civilization and its Well-Being!

    Indeed, any Civilization, setting its goals, prosperity, development and sunset, depend, first of all, on health, development and prosperity, synergetic productivity, creative direction and quality of thinking of as many people as possible - the Main Civilization Basis!

    IMHO - Our Soviet Union collapsed precisely because of the loss in the battle for the Consciousness of People, because of the emasculation, above and in places, which laid the foundation of our Soviet society (Soviet civilization) ideas, the immense growth of unprincipled formalism and, ultimately, profanation the "moral code of the builder of communism", disregard for the Soviet people, their aspirations and their needs for the sake of the irrational - promoting "world peace" in a mega-cost uncontrolled "arms race" and a mega-loss hyper wide "unconditional support for revolutionary movements" in "developing countries", and even individual, forgotten by God, tribes in any corner of the planet, if the local prince (someone remembers Khrushchev's Hero of the Soviet Union Ahmed Ben-Bella, for what kind of merit he or, from Hitler, the mega-problematic Egyptian “Fuhrer” Gamal Abdel Nasser, on the market received this our honorary title, which was not even given to all our domestic, rightfully deserving real Heroes, but even to humiliating our veterans who emigrated abroad but taken their battle honors is much lower rank than the GSS, not caring about the image of the USSR "on the long-running grass-roots level", among relatives and descendants of our soldiers-veterans ?!) editorialized declared his supposedly about "communist orientation"!

    What is the use of our “development of science” and the “high achievements of Soviet civilization”, which took the work of entire generations, if later, often together with carriers of breakthrough ideas, unique knowledge, military secrets and secrets, Western civilization was given a gift I use it with might and main - it was like that after 1917, it was like that after 1991 and it will be like that in 202? After the “Putin era” (even if with such “effective managers” as Rogozins, Chubais and others, it will be possible to incredibly develop successes in the areas of science and technology, health care and education that Putin described, which, in my opinion, is degrading right before our eyes ?!), if you do not engage in a Unifying Inspirational Ideology, a comprehensive Organization of the Society (after all, there is an elementary depopulation of the Russian population ?!) and the Struggle for the Minds of People is the Basis !!!

    I’m no longer surprised, in Zinoviev’s way, “spelling the Soviet regime, but going to Russia” by the press secretaries of the Russian Foreign Ministry, for whom Hitler is supposedly better than Stalin, and other television journalists who offer to erect monuments to Hitler’s accomplices, the cultural ministry memorial plates of Mannerheim, anti-Soviet To Russophobian film-priests, shot at public expense, and other "tricks" of the Russian "elites" - these are all the putrid consequences of Washington's "unprincipled bookmark" under the Basics of Unity, Development and the Power of Russian Civilization!

    No attractive and inspiring, for most Russian citizens (and not only for them - compare international appeal ideas of a communist society that helped to rise from ruin and become the industrial giant of Soviet Russia - the USSR, and survive - win a brutal war, quickly recover from a grandiose military ruin and win the space race with the prosperous and mega-rich U.S. warriors, who also caved in to the main designers of rocket technology and all the achievements of Hitler’s most advanced rocket technology at that time!) of the State Ideology, clear goals and objectives of the Society - there is tearing, stratification and "boiling e under the cover ", which is what the enemies of the Russian Civilization rejoice and will certainly take advantage of!
    And it’s worthless to all advanced weapons and developments if the foundations of society are rotten or “sewn anyhow like a quick nouveau riche” ... the sad experience of our hyper-armed and seemingly powerful Soviet Union showed it well (they give two unbeaten if they did right conclusions!)!

    The Russian "elite", which is represented by Vladimir Putin, would think about this! Unless, of course, really wants to build a Strong "Russian Civilization" and "secure its future" in any long-term perspective ?! In principle, I am only for! wink
    There should be a right approach - in any case, you should correctly determine what to grab on, what to concentrate on, first of all, so that everything works out as planned, and not "as always" !!!
    IMHO
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 May 2020 23: 55
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      To mix scientific, military and other developments with CIVILIZATION is simply the height of illiteracy. In relation to civilization, as a way of organizing and sociocultural concept, even the form of government, the system are secondary features.
      You can play with words, but the essence does not change. Civilization, as a way of organizing society, is not artificial intelligence or military development. It is related to the world, people and nature.
      1. beeper Offline
        beeper 18 May 2020 00: 15
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        hi I understand something like that, dear comrade Bakht! good
        But we are not at a refined scientific forum - this is a comprehensive "drawing of the future" for real politics performed by purely practitioners! Together with verbal methods of influencing the consciousness and subconscious of readers. smile
        Everyone is beaten, everyone knows how to “play with words,” and we well understand that we must defend our “this attitude to the world, people, and nature,” otherwise the price for such an “attitude” and such a defenseless “beautiful civilization” will be crushed!
        This is what this says, it is always emphasized by our esteemed comrade, Mr. President of Russia Vladimir Putin! wink
        And without the dominant state ideology, there will be no distinct defense of “Russian civilization”!
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 May 2020 00: 23
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          I am not going to criticize the president. He said how he understood. What he listed can be attributed to the goals of the state. But for me, the situation is much more complicated and tragic. For the survival of Russian civilization, decisive measures are needed. Time is running out. There are invariable unshakable laws of development of society and the state. Lack of initiative is already a sign of weakness. In the absence of initiative, loss is inevitable. No modern developments will help.
          To understand this, Mr. (I can’t tell someone) the president should read the rules of the game of chess. So far, Russia is acting “reactively,” that is, it is simply responding to challenges. Like a frog in a famous experiment. They gave a current - the foot twitched.

          At present, in Russia there is no ideology at the official level. At the informal, the president himself is a supporter of liberals. Or he himself is a liberal. It cannot lead to anything good.
          1. beeper Offline
            beeper 18 May 2020 00: 32
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            hi Alas, it is! I completely agree with you, comrade Bakht! good
            As for the "comrade" - mister, you understood me correctly, although I didn’t quote it - I suggested exactly such your reaction, and I’m glad you weren’t mistaken! wink
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          Bitter (Gleb) 19 May 2020 09: 38
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          ... without a dominant state ideology, there will be no distinct defense of "Russian civilization"!

          A lot of work is being done in this direction, churches are baked like pies. good
          Former Komsomol members with communists, sincerely praying, regularly knock their foreheads on various icons and even appear in frescoes in some temples.
          So another “couple of years” and everything will be.
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 18 May 2020 01: 35
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      Quote: pishchak
      if you do not engage in a Unifying Inspirational Ideology, a comprehensive Organization of the Society (after all, there is an elementary depopulation of the Russian population ?!) and the struggle for the minds of people - this is the basis !!!

      So what ideology do you propose?
      PS "Soviet civilization" is ridiculous. Communist ideology is a product of Western civilization, moreover, the Western libertarian idea.
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        beeper 18 May 2020 13: 18
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        hi I suggest everyone to think about it, Olezhek! yes
        It is in that paradigm that you wrote about, and you quoted. wink
        And do not be captive to stereotypes - to approach the development of such an Idea of ​​Development creatively, based on your own (and not brought from outside!) Realities!
        You don’t need to brainwash people with a beautiful “sonorous phrase” (such as the power usurped by usurpers — hard to imagine and too vague, “theoretical”, supposedly “future building of communism”), which then does not stand the test of practice and time, and does not correlate with “voluntarist” assigned "dates. request
        And the Soviet Civilization - yes, there was, although not very long - of course, a “historically ridiculous” term, I agree, but, nevertheless, I threw the sprouts of the Future into the hearts and thoughts of people!
        Thanks to her, the whole world has changed a little for the better! yes

        But, outside this pleasant theoretical “projection” of ours and even the appearance of a creative discussion, I think that there will be no creeps towards progressive changes, because the Russian non-bourgeois “elite” is quite happy with its current situation inside the country (as well as our “Ukrainian” ones) the nouveau riche people are only striving (at least for the carcass, even for the stuffed animal) to occupy any status “six” in the Western establishment, which is why the question of the Washington sanctions so personally “annoys” them ??! winked
        And this speech of the Russian President, it seems, is from the same “duty” series of “messages to the people of positive messages” - such as “My job is to crow, but at least don't dawn!” ??!
        It is unfortunate, of course, because one could indeed generate (there is nothing particularly complicated and impracticable in this!) The rise of Russian Civilization, and there of the whole of Humanity, to comprehensively and fully master our planet, finally to know the noosphere and rush to the stars, to open spaces of the Universe ... but not with the attitude towards the People as it is today, not with that approach, alas !!!
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 19 May 2020 15: 11
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          Squeaker, let's think.
          I’m not overestimating my capabilities, and I don’t think that I can offer the world any concept at the level of Locke, Marx or Mussolini (or whoever invented fascism there) .. I believe that a person should choose an ideology, like faith, himself, and the state should not impose. In my opinion, today nothing better has been invented than liberal democracy and a market economy with a high share of social responsibility (similar to Scandinavia). I suspect that you will not agree with me. And how will we decide whose ideology is more correct. What to do with dissent?

          Quote: pishchak
          The rise of Russian civilization

          I do not understand the term "civilization". How Russian differs from Soviet. And how is Russian different from western? Do Chechens have their own civilization?
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            beeper 19 May 2020 15: 22
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            hi So you, Oleg, didn’t turn on at all, didn’t even think now that content with ready-made, brought in from the outside ??! smile

            In my opinion, today they haven’t come up with anything better than ...

            According to the term “civilization” and their differences - this is, here, read Comrade Bakhta's Comments - he has an educational talent and clearly teaching skills! good wink
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 May 2020 12: 04
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              Quote: pishchak
              So you, Oleg, didn’t turn on at all, didn’t even think now that you are content with the ready-made, brought in from the outside ??!

              Pishchak, dear, of course I am infinitely glad to talk at this forum with modern Spinoza, who can easily formulate Russian ideology. Can her essence be thesis?
              And what to do with those who disagree?

              Quote: pishchak
              According to the term “civilization” and their differences - this is, here, read Comrade Bakhta's Comments - he has an educational talent and clearly teaching skills!

              At respected Bakhta, everything is somehow blurry, not clear. Maybe the problem is in me, but I still do not understand what is the difference between Russian civilization and Western. Still, what is the difference between Soviet civilization and Russian?
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            isofat (Sergei) 19 May 2020 16: 17
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            Quote: Oleg Rambover
            In my opinion, today they haven’t come up with anything better than liberal democracy and a market economy with a high share of social responsibility

            Anecdote:

            Liberals somehow went to the Orthodox in the temple and mocked there over all the saints.
            The angry Orthodox decided to repay them with the same coin. But they did not succeed - they could not find anything sacred among the liberals.
            smile
  6. isofat Offline
    isofat (Sergei) 18 May 2020 00: 50
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    Russia, subject to the development of new technologies and primarily artificial intelligence, can be considered a model by which the whole world will be built.

    ... it has been tested for strength (WWII), it turns out that peoples can live in peace, socialism, capitalism are not out of the ordinary ...

    A breakthrough in science, technology ... forces us to choose a different model of world governance. Otherwise, technology will kill this world.

    PS This is short so as not to drown in detail. smile
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    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 18 May 2020 01: 16
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    Yes you look in the wiki.

    - ha ha ha, the clown found himself the last resort. Look who is "stirring up" there. It seems to me that if we listen to them, then they will ascribe a victory to themselves and in the information war, as before in the cold, they are fooling around and circling their fingers! I think that the "enlightened" cattle give their "plankton" to live only for the sake of our civilization, do not scorch, so to speak, for now ... pray for Russian civilization - if you want to continue to live in your dream world, and not in concentration camps Ziggurat. IMHO - of course.
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 May 2020 09: 49
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    PS Somehow 5-10 years ago we compared the number of US and Russian patents per year. They differed once in 1000, or even more.
    Now the news also does not hear about the number of patents from Skolkovo, Zelenograd and other Naukograd.

    And so: is European civilization successful? Yes. Asian? Yes. Latin American. Yes too. Middle Eastern? Yes.
    And unsuccessful? Blacks, ancient Australians and islanders, ancient American and Siberian Indians.

    Allocate Russian as a separate successful civilization? But Forbes writes that all the oligarchs are waiting for the coronavirus in the West, in Western civilization .... and the disease was brought from Italian boutiques ....
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 May 2020 15: 25
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      Question. How do you determine the success of civilization? What are the criteria?
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        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 May 2020 16: 42
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        Alive or not. If she runs naked in the forest or tourists from the USA and the Russian Federation come to see her remains / dances with spears, then, alas, she died.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 May 2020 17: 05
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          Allocate Russian as a separate successful civilization?

          Alive or not - this is the factor that determines its existence. But I asked about "success." Do you think that Russian civilization "dances with spears"? Or is there only her "remnants"?
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            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 May 2020 17: 27
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            You understand how you wanted and wrong.

            A Russian .... is included in the European. Faith, culture, plots of paintings, operas, oil supplies and Soloviev’s dachas .... everything is there.
            1. Bakht Offline
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 May 2020 19: 35
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              I understood how they wrote. Russian Civilization is different from European. This is what I am talking about here. Mentality, religion, ... there are too many differences.
              Of course - the desire of part of society to the West is. Since the days of Rurik. But there is no identity.
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                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 May 2020 19: 54
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                In order not to be unfounded. Quote from an ardent Westerner, a supporter of the rapprochement between Russia and the West. All books of which are riddled with one thought - Russia's separation from the West - is a great tragedy.

                in relations between East and West, what was previously hidden by economic contradictions and (since 1917) an ideological debate was revealed, namely: that the West is a unique region and a unique civilization, for which it is not enough to name the Secretary General as president, insert a phrase about separation in the Constitution authorities and declare human and civil rights. The experience of the 90s is brighter, perhaps than the experience of confrontation, showed that Russia and the West live in different civilization fieldseducated primarily by various historical experiences. Being cut off from the West by two centuries of Mongol captivity, the subsequent two centuries of self-isolation, without undergoing the three most important revolutions of the West, renaissance, reformation and enlightenment, Russia, being in the grip of its religion, history and cruel historical experience, created own way of life, own vision of the world, own civilization. Tsar Peter built the absorption mechanisms of the Western experience, but two centuries of the Romanov experiment in communication with the West gave very mixed results. On the one hand, the recognized flourishing of culture on Western ideological foundations, on the other almost complete separation of the masses from the processes that captured the West in the XVIII - XX centuries. There are obvious civilizational differences, ignoring which Russia has not led to anything good and will not lead. The 1991 radical democrats declared Russia's Western affiliation, but this was much easier than creating an economic structure and representative Western-style democracy in the vast expanses of Russia. Ignoring the difference between the Russian mentality and the western one was demonstrated in the most striking way in 1991-1995. Key concepts such as compromise and the rule of law are still missing in the minds of Russian society, of which October 1993 is a symbol.
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                  Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 May 2020 21: 46
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                  Honestly, I don't care about quotes from Westerners. Although - it is precisely the Westerner liberal in the quote that affirms "special civilization." It’s strange. Are you for him?

                  I can simply compare churches, literature, music, paintings, and the history of both Russia and the West and East.

                  Western fiction, detective stories, adventures (not Arabic) are translated - and they have Something of ours. Tchaikovsky and Mozart obey, similar pictures about Christ, the siege of La Rochelle with Smolensk, Leonardo da Vinci brought to Pushkinsky, Ivan the Terrible and some kind of tyranny almost simultaneously tyrannized several wives.
                  And there are no Arab, Negro and Chinese operas, books, paintings in museums .... And a little movie.

                  And Putin’s paths in Surkov’s articles a year ago ... have already been forgotten about them. Liberals are ....
                  1. Bakht Offline
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 May 2020 22: 09
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                    Both Chinese and Indian literature are being translated. Arab culture, mathematics, medicine. No need to mix the achievements of all mankind and civilizational principles.
                    I have already mentioned. I do not distinguish between works that I like and dislike. Read it all. And the literature that is personally unpleasant for me, I also try to read.
                    People often believe that their thoughts are perceived by all. This is not true. Do not confuse a thin layer of intelligentsia (according to Lenin ... I don’t want to bring it) and the bulk of the people.

                    In the economic sphere, Russia by 1914 became a powerful industrial power. Its agriculture, although backward in production methods, took several steps forward and strengthened Russia's export position. In the cultural field there was no high-level gap between Russia and the West - Russian classics were pan-European classics. Russia could proudly compare itself in any field of creative spirit - its thinkers, scientists and representatives of creative professions were the vanguard and glory of Europe. But when the focus shifts from the elite to the total mass of the population, here Russia does not stand comparison with the leading countries of the West. However, instead of turning energy to narrow the gap between educated circles and the uneducated mass of the population, the government chose to protect estate and other privileges.

                    How do you like the quote of S.M.Soloviev?

                    “The departure of the Russian nation to the far north-east was an important circumstance, because it allowed the Russian state to become stronger away from Western influence. We see that those Slavic nations that prematurely came into contact with the West, with their strong civilization and their Roman heritage, fell into decay, lost their independence and some of them even their national characteristics ”
                    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 May 2020 23: 32
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                      Translated, who argues.
                      1000 + 1 night, Anime, Shaolin show arrives ... Not without exceptions ... but very few.

                      Here other questions are raised.
                      High technologies that seem to exist, but they seem to be absent.
                      And is Russia a civilization separate from all?

                      So you go to flickr.com_photos_amber-tree, look at EuropeanEy images and see ... damn it, the same thing about us. With its own specifics ...

                      The quotes are not bad, but logically they say nothing. They just fix something.
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 May 2020 23: 55
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                        I already wrote my opinion. High technology, the political system, and the form of government toward civilization have a subordinate position. Mentality, attitude to life, morality, religion ...
                        In this regard, Russia is a separate Civilization. Different from Western European. Which is actually more correct to call WASP. In any case, I like this term more.
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 08: 17
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                        Then it can be considered a separate civilization of many others ... Cossacks, Caucasians, Siberians, Yakuts, Kazakhs .. and others.
                        "Mentality, attitude to life, morality, religion", etc. they are not like that ....
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 May 2020 19: 37
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                        These are not all the signs.
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 May 2020 20: 14
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                        Question. Can one attribute the Orthodox-Russian and the Muslim Tatar to one civilization? They live in one country, obey the same laws, pay the same taxes (ideally). They even fought alongside shoulder to shoulder. But do they relate to one Civilization?
                        There are gradations, so to speak, a different level. Quantity still goes into quality. Can a small nation create its own Civilization? Civilization is the highest stage of sociocultural relations (according to Pitirim Sorokin). One tribe in a small territory will not be able to create Civilization. Will be able to create his own state or tribal union.
                        There are not many Civilizations in the world. They correctly pointed to ideology. Without a clear idea, Civilizations cannot be created. A Muslim, Hindu, or Orthodox should have a common goal. There must be a single language (as in the Game of Thrones they spoke a “common language”).

                        Strictly speaking, the term Civilization is criticized and questioned. But I still tend to think that there are currently several Civilizations on the Globe. As R. Kipling wrote -

                        West is West, East is East and they will never meet.
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 20: 17
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                        West is West, East is East, and they will never meet.

                        Here! Large! It is not necessary to call each village or region a "separate civilization".
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 May 2020 21: 01
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                        I do not call. But size in itself is not a sign of Civilization. We are trying to clarify the issue over which spears were broken by people smarter than us. I can also make statements that run counter to my own words. Not because I'm confused, but because there are a lot of terms and definitions.
                        I can give an example from my life. In the 90s he got into an international team. And the conversation came about nationalities. The captain (norwegian) asked me, "In what language do you dream?" I answered "in Russian." The answer is "So you're Russian." This, of course, is exaggerated. But that makes sense.
                        Tell me, is there such a thing as Jewish Civilization? I haven’t heard of this. Of course, they can answer me that the Jews don’t bother with this. But this is not the answer. They have a thousand-year history, their own religion, their own state, their own language. But their attitude is not accepted by the majority of the world's population. Why and why are questions to historians. Something is missing. Maybe ideologies? Jews have always entered any society. They didn’t mix, but adopted its laws. In Europe, Russia, in America. Maybe it's good. Or maybe not.
                        Pitirim Sorokin denied the term Civilization and replaced it with the words "higher sociocultural relations." But he called his book "Man. Civilization. Society."
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 May 2020 21: 44
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                        Here! There are few Jews - doubts already. That is a big, big community. 150 million Russians are not enough. So much in some Nigeria or Japan.

                        But under 1 billion white Europeans - it’s already normal.
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 May 2020 23: 11
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                        A lot. I said there are several definitions. Say 50 million Britons controlled almost a billion people and half the globe. 150 million Russians control the heart of the Earth - Heartland (according to Mackinder). And if you read the basics of geopolitics, you can understand what Russian Civilization is like.
                        Civilization is probably a sociological concept (we can agree with Sorokin). Although I'm not sure. But geopolitics is more important at this stage.
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 May 2020 01: 13
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                        This is all figs .... debatable, IMHO.
                        At first the Italians controlled it. Then the Netherlands. Then the Spaniards. Then the British. Now is the USA. Assign each by Civilization?
                        + Germans, + France, + Balkans, etc.

                        The heart of the earth, the Center of Africa, the Land of the rising sun, 7 kingdoms, the Great Silk Road ...... Doesn’t converge either, each according to Civilization?

                        Do not save up.
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 May 2020 01: 33
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                        All of whom you have listed belong to Western civilization. So there was no thought to separate them from me. This is all one Civilization. Its rise began in the 14-15 centuries. And still it is she who controls the world. And Luther laid the foundation for her. And so I call it Protestant - White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
                        The heart of the earth belongs to geopolitics. Who controls HeartLand controls Eurasia. Without control of HeartLandom, there is no control of the world. But this is not sociology, but geopolitics.
                        Returning to civilizational principles. Protestantism is incompatible with Orthodoxy. Cyrillic is different from Latin. The atomization of the people of Europe is contrary to the communal way of Russia. The climate of Western Europe is incompatible with the climate of continental Eurasia. Here the division of L. Gumilyov is appropriate. He drew the border between the West and Russia along the zero isotherm of January.
                        The differences are much greater than coincidences. Call it Civilization or Social Relations - it doesn't matter. The essence does not change. These are different attitudes towards people, God and society.
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 May 2020 08: 33
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                        Okay. I think there’s no need to continue. I basically understood your point of view. Thank.
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 May 2020 10: 46
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                        And thank you. I also believe that we will not come to a common denominator. We see the world in different ways.
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 21 May 2020 11: 52
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                        From experience, the truth is somewhere in between.
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    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 19 May 2020 15: 21
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    Quote: Bakht
    Question. How do you determine the success of civilization? What are the criteria?

    Can I ask you a question? How do you define Civilization? What are the criteria?
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      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 May 2020 19: 39
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      It was written above. Should I repeat?
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        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 May 2020 01: 23
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        Quote: Bakht
        It was written above. Should I repeat?

        This?

        Russian Civilization is different from European. This is what I am talking about here. Mentality, religion, ... there are too many differences.

        I will assume that most of these differences are myths.
        How does the mentality of a representative of Russian civilization differ from the western? It is only possible without lengthy quotes by Slavophiles or Westerners, and in what this is specifically expressed, what can be felt, so to speak. For example, in the same situation, the Russian will do so, and the European will do otherwise, and this can be measured by statistical methods.
        I just heard a couple of times that the mentality, let’s say, is not a scientific term.
        Regarding religion, Russian society is one of the most secular in the world, the Chinese can only argue with us. But 100 years ago, everything was different, is it the same civilization?
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          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 May 2020 01: 37
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          Repeat

          ... common geopolitical conditions, primordial linguistic kinship, unity or closeness of the economic and political system, culture (including religion) and mentality.

          Often they act just differently from others.
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            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 May 2020 11: 41
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            Quote: Bakht
            Often they act just differently from others.

            For example?

            Quote: Bakht
            common geopolitical conditions,

            What is this?

            Quote: Bakht
            native linguistic kinship,

            Is it also relevant for Western “civilization”?

            Quote: Bakht
            the unity or proximity of the economic and political system,

            The whole world is close economically. Politically, they may not be so united, but most countries of the world, if they don’t use Western practices, at least imitate them carefully.
            What is unique, not European in Russian culture?
            What is the uniqueness of the Russian religion?
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              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 May 2020 10: 45
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              Our dispute cannot be resolved. You do not see the difference; often you mix economy and worldview. These are different things. If the whole world uses a wheel, this does not mean that it is one.
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                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 21 May 2020 15: 21
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                Quote: Bakht
                You don't see the difference

                But you did not even try to explain and argue your position.
                In my opinion, an elementary question was asked, if the "mentality" is different between us and the Europeans, then this should somehow manifest itself in behavior, in reactions to events. I have been to Europe and nothing comes to my mind what makes us different.
                What is the difference in worldview?
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