Russia's actions in Syria force Israel to take desperate steps

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The situation in Syria is starting to heat up again. Having barely reached a ceasefire with Turkey, Russia can now run into a direct conflict already with Israel. Maneuvering between Tel Aviv and Tehran, the Kremlin, apparently, chose the latter.

What could turn out for our country a decision to take Iranians under its wing in the distant Syrian desert?



As you know, in the Middle East there are two irreconcilable enemies, Iran and Israel, relations between which balance on the brink of war. Why in the very heart of the "Arab world" the Jewish and Persian states were conflicting parties, the question is old and multifaceted. Complicating the situation is that the United States stands on the side of Tel Aviv, and Tehran in its expansionist policy for many years supported by Damascus. Syria was forced to become a territory of opposition of dangerous external players.

Iran is interested in strengthening its military presence in the SAR. According to reports, the Islamic Republic plans to reach the Mediterranean Sea by rail through Iranian and Syrian territories. Last year, it became known that the port of Latakia was transferred to the management of Iranian managers. It was also reported that in the future, the naval object of Iran may appear in the Syrian port of Banias. By the way, it is very close to the Russian bases in Tartus and Hmeimim.

Needless to say, this can dramatically destabilize the situation in the Middle East. Tel Aviv, not hiding, set out to squeeze out the Iranian presence in the SAR. Israeli aviation has been bombing Iran’s military infrastructure in Syria with impunity for years. During one of these attacks, a few years ago, an IL-20 plane with Russian troops on board was shot down, all of them died. To prevent such incidents, the Kremlin later transferred the S-300 air defense system to help an ally.

True, while they continue to remain inactive. Political scientists and military experts are inclined to believe that the passivity of air defense systems is associated with Moscow’s reluctance to directly contact Tel Aviv. Yes, Russia is a nuclear power, but a war with Israel with conventional weapons in such a remote theater of operations today will be an extremely unfortunate idea. Most importantly, there simply wasn’t much point in such a clash: the Kremlin allowed the Israelis and Iranians to sort things out on their own.

But, apparently, now something has changed. Recently, the IDF began to launch air strikes not only along the occupied Golan Heights, but also in the center, and even in the north of Syria - the city of Aleppo. Missile strikes destroyed Iranian military depots. Observers drew attention to the fact that Israeli aircraft this time flew through Jordan and Iraq, wisely flying around the province of Hama, where the S-300 air defense missile systems are deployed. Pretty desperate step. It will not be possible to enter from the south, as, incidentally, also from the West: in both cases, enemy aircraft will be immediately discovered by means of control both in Russia and in Syria itself. The length of the route through the airspace of Jordan, Iraq and further through the Syrian desert to Aleppo and vice versa exceeds the maximum possible combat radius of the main strike aircraft of the Israeli Air Force F-16. It turns out that you can’t do without fuel refueling, and this is already a very large-scale air operation, which will result in millions of dollars of expenses.


Along with this, it is reported that the Kremlin provided Tehran with the opportunity to use the Russian Khmeimim air base for its needs. Cargo transshipment of Iranian weapons has already begun through a military airfield. One has to wonder - why was this done?

If you call a spade a spade, this is a direct challenge to Israel, which promised to mercilessly bomb Tehran’s military facilities in the SAR. Russian tactics imply that the IDF’s Air Force will not dare to launch airstrikes on Khmeimim. Thus, Moscow expects to save both Iranian military cargo and the lives of the Iranian military themselves. This is probably the case, and Tel Aviv will try to avoid a direct confrontation. But the consequences will still be.

It is no secret that one of the reasons for the recent Syrian army offensive in Idlib was the continuous attacks of drones, with which militants attacked Khmeimim with impunity. The air defense system of the air base was constantly in operation, firing literally “from guns at sparrows”. As you know, Israel is one of the world leaders in the production of UAVs. It can be assumed that now the Russian military will be forced to face the “gloomy genius” of Israeli military thought.
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  1. -6
    7 May 2020 14: 12
    What are the desperate steps, found nothing but this:

    Recently, the IDF began to launch air strikes not only along the occupied Golan Heights, but also in the center and north of Syria. Missile strikes destroyed Iranian military depots.
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      7 May 2020 14: 48
      This, in your opinion, is not enough ???
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        7 May 2020 15: 32
        And they applied earlier. Even along the Syria-Iraq border, at pro-Iranian police bases like Kataib Hezbollah. So, nothing particularly new and even more desperate.
  2. -3
    7 May 2020 16: 53
    Yes. Israel has done, is doing, and will be doing. Cadmi provoked, and will provoke on TV. The elite has collaborated, and will cooperate with Israel.
  3. 0
    7 May 2020 17: 47
    The facts given by the author can be commented on in another aspect. Let's say, in the context of the statement made by the head of the operations department of the IDF General Staff Aaron Halawi. The latter said that secret operations to squeeze Iran out of Syria would continue. Israel traditionally does not comment on airstrikes against Iranian targets in Syria. Meanwhile, their number by "unknown aircraft", which the author of the publication mentions, has recently increased dramatically. And as a result - information that Iran is withdrawing its armed formations from Syria. At the same time, the RF observes eventual neutrality. In favor of Israel, since Iran is now the third superfluous.
  4. +1
    7 May 2020 18: 37
    It is not entirely clear from the text where the information came from that the Russians allegedly allowed the Persians to use the Khmeimim base as a transshipment point. It seems to me that this fake is the naive dreams of the ill-wisher of the Israelis. Moreover, it turns out that this gentleman is also an ill-wisher of Russia - it is to Russia that an abundant cargo of 200 will go if the Israelis strike at the base, and there is no doubt that they will take this step if necessary.
    1. +1
      8 May 2020 01: 03
      I also believe that this is a fake. Russia is not interested in strengthening Iran’s influence.
      Glad to meet you again. It is a pity that the newsland was blocked. Fat man.
      1. -1
        8 May 2020 05: 40
        Mutually, Tolyach! You are absolutely right - increasing the influence of the Persians in Syria and in general on the BV is completely not in Russia's interests, as well as a confrontation with Israel.
    2. -2
      8 May 2020 08: 05
      It is interesting, and what will happen after the strike on the base of the Russian Federation ???
      1. +1
        8 May 2020 12: 59
        Obviously, Masha will express serious concern and will dance. With options not a lot.
  5. +1
    7 May 2020 21: 29
    The right choice ... In the event of a clash between Jews and Persians, it is unlikely that Jews will buy our weapons .. But those Persians - yes ... They will tear off their hands .. So let them butt ... Business ... nothing personal ..
    1. 0
      8 May 2020 17: 32
      For example, India. As a result of Israel’s clash with Arab countries, India opened its arms market to the Israeli military-industrial complex, and became the most significant client for the purchase of Israeli weapons.
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  7. +2
    8 May 2020 00: 56
    I quote from the article:

    ... Why in the very heart of the "Arab world" the Jewish and Persian states turned out to be conflicting parties, the question is long-standing and multifaceted.

    The author of the article, Sergey Marzhetsky, veiled the core of the conflict between Iran and Israel by the lack of understanding, although it is obvious that he knows the essence of the conflict. The essence of the conflict is that in Iran at the official state level the goal has been proclaimed - DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH STATE ISRAEL. Is Israel therefore carrying out preemptive strikes on Iranian infrastructure in Syria? And since the actions of Iran are a mortal threat to the existence of Israel. IDF will not stop any patrons of Iran. Let me remind you of the armed clashes between Israel and the USSR in Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. These senseless clashes led to many casualties. I hope Shoigu knows this. In the struggle for its existence, Israel will take extreme measures.
    1. 0
      8 May 2020 01: 10
      Quote: chuhman
      In the struggle for its existence, Israel will take extreme measures.

      What?
      1. 0
        8 May 2020 01: 31
        A good question)))) What, I don’t know. But let me remind you of some of the past: - a six-day war.

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шестидневная_война

        Operation Rimon 20 (Hebrew רימון 20, Operation Pomegranate) is the code name for the Israeli Air Force air battle against Soviet fighter pilots stationed in Egypt during the July 30, 1970 Attrition War, which resulted in four, according to other sources, five Soviet fighters

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Операция-«Римон-20»

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Операция Энтеббе

        etc. etc.
        1. +1
          8 May 2020 10: 11
          chuhman... Operation Rimon, you probably understand, is a "product" of a piece nature, requiring a lot of time and aces pilots to train. You don't have such resources to wage war. Yes, and come up with a "zamanuha" every time you have to different.

          But after the "Day of Falling Airplanes" you are still hiding. And these tools are always at hand and are waiting for you.

          So after all, what extreme measures have you prepared? The fact that you feel that the end has crept up is good. And what will you do? Wikipedia shake? smile
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 12: 45
            Wikipedia is a statement of fact. What is this "Day of falling planes", I do not know. I don't have such resources to wage war, Israel has more than enough. And the longer Israel exists, the more powerful it becomes. Let me remind you:
            - War of Independence 1948
            - war of 1956
            - six-day war of 1967
            - The Doomsday War of 1973
            - The first Lebanon war of 1982 ..... etc. etc.
            The Israeli military-industrial complex is creating the most advanced and advanced weapon systems.
            1. 0
              8 May 2020 12: 52
              chuhmanYou just destroyed the myth of the mind of the Jews. smile
              I didn’t ask you this at all.
              1. 0
                8 May 2020 14: 11
                I sympathize with you. When you have to give up your innermost myth. However, you never answered your "Day of Falling Aircraft".
                1. +1
                  8 May 2020 14: 24
                  But after the "Day of Falling Airplanes" you are still hiding.

                  I was wrong, your planes have been crashing all week, excuse me.
                  1. 0
                    8 May 2020 17: 40
                    isofat (Sergey) - you are persistent. Stubbornly do not want to tell what you mean. Lurking behind the supposedly meaningful phrases. The impression is created that you have some top-secret information.
                    My crashes are paper planes that I make for my grandchildren.
                    1. 0
                      8 May 2020 17: 50
                      chuhman, please read.

                      On May 10, 1970, Moshe Dayan announced that "Israel will not allow the installation of the SAM-2 missile system on the Suez Canal." In the first week of June, an Egyptian air defense system shot down 10 Israeli aircraft at the front of the canal. This week was called the week of the "fall of the aircraft

                      Are you prepared
                      1. 0
                        8 May 2020 19: 25
                        You obviously distorted. It was not Egyptian air defense. A limited contingent of Soviet troops in the amount of 32000 people.

                        The first units of the Soviet limited contingent arrived on March 5 and 8, 1970, at the port of Alexandria on the motor ships Rosa Luxemburg and Georgy Chicherin. These were the divisions of Soviet anti-aircraft gunners, under the leadership of Major General P. G. Smirnov, and the regiments of fighter aircraft under the leadership of Major General A. G. Dolnikov. ... All in all, in the regions of Cairo, Alexandria, Aswan, in the area of ​​the Suez Canal and other places, twenty-one Soviet anti-aircraft missile battalions were deployed with the latest weapons at the time. In addition, two regiments of MiG-21 interceptor aircraft were based at military airfields near Cairo, Alexandria and Aswan.

                        https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1780739
                      2. 0
                        8 May 2020 20: 12
                        But after the "Week of falling planes" you are still hiding. And these tools are always at hand and are waiting for you.

                        chuhman, I hope that now I haven’t distorted anything.
                      3. 0
                        8 May 2020 19: 30
                        War of attrition. For tactics of warfare, see War of Attrition (tactics)

                        War of attrition

                        Arab-Israeli conflict
                        Suez canal map.jpg
                        Place of hostilities
                        Date July 1967 - August 7, 1970
                        Place Sinai Peninsula
                        Cause Egypt's attempt to recapture the Sinai
                        Bottom line: Both sides declare victory.

                        Territorial changes No territorial changes [1]
                        opponents
                        Flag of Israel.svg Israel Flag of Egypt.svg Egypt
                        Flag of the Soviet Union.svg USSR
                        Flag of Jordan.svg Jordan
                        State of Palestine PLO

                        https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/148614
                      4. 0
                        8 May 2020 19: 54
                        You distort the facts that it was not Egyptian but the Soviet limited contingent of troops in the amount of 32 thousand people.

                        The first units of the Soviet limited contingent arrived on March 5 and 8, 1970, at the port of Alexandria on the motor ships Rosa Luxemburg and Georgy Chicherin. These were the divisions of Soviet anti-aircraft gunners under the leadership of Major General P. G. Smirnov and the regiments of fighter aircraft under the leadership of Major General A. G. Dolnikov.

                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Группа_советских_военных_специалистов_в_Египте#Операция_«Кавказ»
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            3. +1
              9 May 2020 09: 55
              Quote: chuhman
              The Israeli military-industrial complex is creating the most advanced and advanced weapon systems.

              With US taxpayer money.
              1. -1
                9 May 2020 13: 30
                The military-industrial complex of the United States and Israel is practically integrated, and we can talk about the joint production of weapons systems. Let me remind you that many of Israel's weapons systems are in service with the United States. The most famous are helmets for US combat aircraft. "Windbreaker" - active protection of armored vehicles, wings for F-35 aircraft, etc.
    2. 0
      8 May 2020 06: 00
      Quote: chuhman
      I hope Shoigu knows this.

      I got the impression that Shoigu is not a completely adequate person - to recall at least that thoroughly false and senseless hype in the Russian media that the Russian Defense Ministry raised after the death of the Russian Il-20 aircraft. The plane was shot down by the Syrians with a Russian / Soviet missile, but the Israelis declared the Israelis guilty, contrary to obvious facts. This senseless wave of accusations and even direct threats against Israel then stopped only after Putin's restrained remarks. It seems that in Russia serious decisions in international affairs are still not made by the Minister of Defense.
      1. +1
        8 May 2020 06: 26
        Well, it was understandable there - it was by no means impossible to recognize the flagrant criminal slovenliness of the Russian commanders who sent the scout to the fire zone, as well as the complete lack of coordination with the cross-eyed Syrian "snipers", beating at everything that was moving, after that like Israeli planes were not there for a long time. They themselves knew very well what had happened, but if this were recognized, then many had to be driven. Yes, and a strong blow to the image. Israel did not prove the truth. What for? Anyway, no one will voice this to the internal user anyway, and the rest know everything. So, figs with him, interaction is more expensive.
        1. 0
          8 May 2020 06: 35
          Quote: Natan Bruk
          Israel did not prove the truth

          The Israelis then tried to convince the Russians of their non-involvement in the death of the plane - a representative delegation led by the Air Force commander flew to Moscow, but all this, in my opinion, was superfluous. It is impossible to prove anything to those who ignore the obvious facts for the sake of their political goals.
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 09: 31
            What are we talking about. Naive, they thought that if the Russian leadership got acquainted with the data, they would have no choice but to admit their own cant and the “mastery” of their crooked-arm friends. Schazz. Moreover, at the "press conference" a frank forgery was voiced - the marks of civilian aircraft in the Cyprus area were issued as marks of Israeli fighters.
            1. 0
              8 May 2020 18: 37
              There was no naivety - everyone understood everything perfectly and knew who they were dealing with, they simply considered it their duty to provide objective information about the incident and their conclusions. And there, then, what the Russians decide for themselves is their business.
              1. +1
                9 May 2020 10: 20
                The way it is. Therefore, V.V. Putin did not comment and did not stop at this sad event, leaving this to Shoigu and the military. The President of the Russian Federation should not use dubious information.
      2. 0
        8 May 2020 09: 36
        I completely agree with the comment by Natan Bruk (Natan Bruk). I will add that in the army elite of Russia, anti-Semitic sentiments occupy strong positions. Let me remind you of some of the most odious:
        Lieutenant-General Nikolai Sergeevich Leonov for 10 years was the head of the information and analytical department of the Soviet intelligence, 7 years was the Deputy Head of the First Main Directorate.
        Colonel Kvachkov - Colonel Russian military and public figure.
        Ivashov, Leonid Grigoryevich - Colonel General.
        1. +4
          8 May 2020 10: 53
          It’s normal when the Russians want the Russians to rule them, the same thing about other nations. There is nothing anti-Semitic about this.
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 12: 47
            Putin is a Jew? Or Shoigu? Or Lavrov?
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              8 May 2020 13: 05
              Mishustin, Medvedev, Khloponin, Dvorkovich, the State Duma is 90 percent, do not pretend to be a rag, there are still many, there aren’t enough fingers.
              1. -1
                8 May 2020 18: 39
                Of these figures, one Jew is Dvorkovich.
                1. +1
                  9 May 2020 00: 26
                  Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                  Of these figures, one Jew is Dvorkovich.

                  Yes, and that kicked out. Could leave for the background.
            2. 0
              9 May 2020 09: 53
              Putin "reigns" but does not rule.
          2. +1
            8 May 2020 13: 03
            There is really nothing anti-Semitic about what you wrote. When Russians want Russians to rule them, that's fine. But this does not mean what is necessary for this to be done under anti-Semitic slogans and actions.
            I hope you will not reject the contribution of the Jews to the victory of the USSR over fascist Germany. Let me remind you of the generals Kreiser, Dragunsky, 173 heroes of the USSR, Vannikov, Chertok, Lavochkin, Miles, Salzman, Kotin, Mehlis, Kaganovich ......
            1. +1
              8 May 2020 13: 12
              Quote: chuhman
              But I hope you will not reject the contribution of Jews to the victory of the USSR over fascist Germany

              chuhmanI will deny.
              1. 0
                8 May 2020 14: 17
                isofat (Sergey) - I would also remind you that during the Second World War almost all of the Soviet foreign intelligence consisted of Jews. However, you can deny it.
              2. +1
                9 May 2020 00: 33
                Quote: isofat
                Quote: chuhman
                But I hope you will not reject the contribution of Jews to the victory of the USSR over fascist Germany

                chuhmanI will deny.

                Let's start by denying the presence of 305 Jewish generals and admirals in the Red Army during the Second World War. Source. F.D.Sverdlova: Jews are generals of the USSR Armed Forces. 1993. Each short biography is illustrated with a photo. The years of service of the Jewish military leaders are interesting: 1942-1946. Then everyone was fired, of course.
                1. 0
                  9 May 2020 01: 15
                  Quote: Rogue1812
                  Let's start by denying the presence of 305 Jewish generals and admirals in the Red Army during the Second World War ...

                  Tramp1812, I do not know what you are trying to portray, but in this wording it makes no sense to talk about the contribution of Jews to the victory of the USSR.
                  Let's start by finding out - how do we determine the contribution of a Nazi criminal, a Jew, Otto Adolf Eichmann?

                  PS It's too late already, I can continue tomorrow. Good night.
                  1. 0
                    9 May 2020 01: 36
                    The contribution of the Nazi war criminal of a purebred German - Aryan by nationality, was determined by an Israeli court, lifting it up on the gallows. In the history of World War II, three Reichswehr soldiers with Jewish roots have been documented.
                    1. Werner Goldberg. Father, baptized Jew before his birth, mother - German. He was dismissed from the ranks of the Reichswehr as a Jew in 1939 on the basis of a law prohibiting Jews from serving in the Aryan army.
                    2. Morris - Hitler's personal driver. When passing the mandatory Jewish test, it turned out that he had Jewish roots. Hitler personally issued an order that in this and only in this case, as an exception, Morris remains in the ranks of the SS.
                    3. Field Marshal Milch. Father is a Jew. SS by establishing this fact. demanded to dismiss Milkh. A special commission was created. They made a fictitious conclusion that Father Milch was impotent, his mother lived with the baron from whom Milch was born. Goering’s famous phrase is that he decides who his Jew is. But this incomplete phrase. Before this, Goering said that we did from Milch ....
                    And about Eichmann. This is small Trunks. He would not have spent a minute in the SS. You would have thought up something more interesting. For example, that Lieutenant General Vlasov was a Jew, and the entire ROA under the tricolor was entirely Jews. And that would be more reliable.
                    1. 0
                      9 May 2020 02: 14
                      Tramp1812, I believe, the inhabitants of Israel should know - the multinational population of the USSR defeated the Nazis.

                      They should know and be proud that among the defenders of their homeland and the victors of fascism were, including Jews.

                      Let me remind you of those who do not know or have forgotten that the state of Israel was not yet there. If we did not defeat the fascists, would Israel be? It is difficult to say, the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis.

                      PS Confused with Eichmann, sorry. I needed any Jewish surname in the service of the Nazis, several were highlighted ... I grabbed the wrong one.
                      You are not a lawyer by accident, quickly respond? And last, I'm Khobotov.
                      1. +1
                        9 May 2020 02: 27
                        Я not Khobotov, missed the negation, again made a mistake. smile
                      2. -2
                        9 May 2020 10: 22
                        You made a reservation according to Freud.
                      3. 0
                        9 May 2020 11: 49
                        chuhmanand happy holiday to you!
                      4. +1
                        9 May 2020 13: 36
                        Thank. This is a great holiday. And you with the Victory Day holiday.
                        LEKHAIM
                      5. -2
                        9 May 2020 06: 56
                        Quote: isofat
                        Tramp1812, I believe, the inhabitants of Israel should know - the multinational population of the USSR defeated the Nazis.

                        They should know and be proud that among the defenders of their homeland and the victors of fascism were, including Jews.

                        Let me remind you of those who do not know or have forgotten that the state of Israel was not yet there. If we did not defeat the fascists, would Israel be? It is difficult to say, the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis.

                        PS Confused with Eichmann, sorry. I needed any Jewish surname in the service of the Nazis, several were highlighted ... I grabbed the wrong one.
                        You are not a lawyer by accident, quickly respond? And last, I'm Khobotov.

                        You would have less emotions, but more erudition, to polemicize would be more interesting. In principle, your statement that the Jews fought in the ranks of the Soviet Army and it makes no sense to distinguish them from the total number of Soviet fighters is already a position, not a surge of anti-Semitism. But she is vulnerable and controversial. And that's why.
                        1. Jews are very small people. And like any small nation, it is very sensitive to any slander: be it a blood libel, or an accusation of cowardice. There is a study by a veteran of the Second World War - A. Shulman: "Jews in the wars of millennia." And in the preface, the author explained why he took up this question. Described a sapper of his unit, with a cartoonish Jewish appearance, who was the very first to be called on all the most dangerous missions. And the author asked him why he was doing this. He replied - so that not a single anti-Semitic ....... dared to say that Jews are cowards.
                        2. Not the Jews protruded the nationality of the soldiers during the Second World War, but the leadership of the USSR, in which at that time the paranoid Stalin shot all the Jews with a few exceptions. And his assistant A.S. Zhdanov, in 1943, issued a directive that he sent to the front to reward soldiers of all nationalities, and limited Jews. A tanker - a Jew, for example, Ion Degen, military comrades twice submitted to the rank of GSS, twice refused. The rear rat, a military commissar with a completely non-Jewish surname, personally deleted from the presentation for the award of the Order of the Battle Red Banner of the legendary Alexander Aronovich Pechersky and replaced.
                      6. +2
                        9 May 2020 14: 12
                        Quote: Rogue1812
                        You would have less emotions, but more erudition, to polemicize would be more interesting.

                        Tramp1812, but I'm interested in you. Your company interested me.
                    2. +1
                      9 May 2020 02: 19
                      Already on May 9! Happy holiday to you Tramp 1812! smile
                      1. +1
                        9 May 2020 07: 18
                        Happy Great Victory Day. My father, Isaak Yakovlevich, was born in 1924 and fought on the Voronezh front. He was the commander of an artillery battery of 145 mm guns. He was twice wounded, the second time by a fragment of an aerial bomb, not just a participant, but an invalid of the war. Victory Day was his favorite holiday. He was called up in 1942, by the way, from Tashkent, where the grandmother was in evacuation. He finished six-month machine gun and artillery courses in Fergana. He was awarded the Medal for Military Merit and the Order of the Red Star. Although he had a chance to fight for only six months .... All my relatives - men fought. Except for uncle Jonah Eichelevich Tarnavsky. Ironically, it was he who was a career officer. But part of it stood the entire war in the Far East. And he fought only with Japan. Which was already defeated by the states by that time. I only talked about Chinese brothels. I do not accept the understatement of the role of the USSR, USA and Great Britain against the countries of the OSI. Each of the allies, in their sector of the front, confronted a common enemy: the USSR on the eastern front, England - at sea and in North Africa, the USA - in the Pacific Ocean. But the fact remains that before the opening of the second front, the most large-scale battles took place, of course, on the Eastern Front. Where the main forces of the opponents were concentrated. And it was in the USSR and Poland that atrocities took place, otherwise it is impossible to name the German troops and the Einsatzgruppen.
                      2. +3
                        9 May 2020 08: 51
                        HAPPY VICTORY DAY !!!!!
                        My father - Chukhman Grigory Abramovich (1894) was in the militia near Moscow. I still have his medal "For DEFENSE OF MOSCOW". My mother and I were evacuated to Margelan. My first childhood memories are of a reserved seat carriage with people chewing hard eggs and chicken. The courtyard of the hospital in Moscow, where I stood waiting for my mother visiting my father. Fireworks in Moscow and I am in the arms of my father in a soldier's greatcoat.
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    8 May 2020 07: 09
    Historically, Israel’s best cure for despair in Syria is strong sanctions at the UN.
    1. -2
      8 May 2020 07: 49
      Historically, no UN sanctions (promoted by Arabs) have helped anyone in any way.
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      9 May 2020 07: 22
      Quote: Miron_1
      Historically, Israel’s best cure for despair in Syria is strong sanctions at the UN.

      This will never happen. Because one of the members of the UN Security Council will block the decision. And not necessarily the states. Today, China is implementing multibillion-dollar Israeli high-tech projects on its territory.
  9. +3
    8 May 2020 11: 43
    It is necessary to end the betrayal of the allies .... Israel must indicate its place. He already shot down our plane, and with impunity.
    1. -2
      8 May 2020 12: 32
      When did Israel bring down a Russian plane?
      1. +3
        8 May 2020 14: 09
        Cyril, who's guilty? The one who ran into the pedestrian or the one who pushed him under the wheels of a passing car?
        1. -2
          8 May 2020 14: 17
          So this is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation sent IL to the war zone, and not Israel.
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          8 May 2020 18: 11
          The pedestrian is to blame - who got in the wrong place at the wrong time. And also because he crossed the road in the wrong place.
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            8 May 2020 19: 53
            It was not the driver who provoked the road accident, but a third person. The driver is not to blame.
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              8 May 2020 22: 25
              The concept provoked a very conditional. For example, any criminal can justify any crime by provoking him - including the wrong company, he wanted a better life, in the end, the victim did not like it - he didn’t look like that and liked the suit.
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                8 May 2020 23: 09
                chuhman. The analogy is not proof and does not prove anything. It only helps to understand the speaker’s thought.

                I gave an example to show that the true culprit, without whom nothing would have happened, is not necessarily the driver.

                And in the case of the plane, due to the fact that Israel gave a warning in only 12 minutes, the likelihood of a tragedy increased sharply. Syria had no intention of shooting down our plane.
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                  9 May 2020 11: 31
                  Syria had no intention of shooting down our plane.

                  The issue is debatable, perhaps it was a prudent goal to quarrel Russia with Israel. I believe the investigation was conducted by the Russian Federation and Syria, but will not be published.
                  Notify in 12 minutes is a lot. The press officer of the Russian army Konoshenko announced the notification in a few minutes, without indicating the exact location of the airstrike. Moreover, the Russian side does not hide the fact that Israeli information is instantly transmitted to Syria.
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              9 May 2020 00: 36
              Quote: isofat
              It was not the driver who provoked the road accident, but a third person. The driver is not to blame.

              Sorry, but the third Jewish person in this case, the Hel Haavir combat aircraft, was almost at its base for nearly an hour. Which is objectively confirmed by means of fixation. However, the Russian side knows this very well.
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                9 May 2020 01: 30
                Quote: Rogue1812
                Sorry, but the third Jewish person in this case, the Hel Haavir combat aircraft, was almost at its base for nearly an hour.

                Tramp1812excuse me you too but it yours "detailing" my example. I have already voiced the meaning of my analogy. Read carefully.
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      8 May 2020 12: 43
      He "shot down" the plane only in the minds of a duped population. And they tried to indicate the place more than once, and with the full and comprehensive support of the great, mighty, not a couple of the current erefii, who himself participated in this a lot. Tell what came of it?
    3. -2
      8 May 2020 17: 47
      You confused Israel with Turkey, and 1970 from 2019 - the times of the war of attrition between Egypt and Israel.
  10. 69
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    8 May 2020 11: 59
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    it is in Russia that a heavy cargo of 200 will go if the Israelis strike at the base

    You will become a legitimate military target, and not necessarily in Israel, but wherever caught.
    1. -1
      8 May 2020 12: 49
      Tell us about 1973 and how many two hundredths arrived in the USSR? Well, also, how did this whole campaign end?
      1. 69
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        8 May 2020 13: 11
        I am not interested in what happened. I'm talking about what will happen. Russia is not the USSR, there they kept you under the heel, or in the zone for economic crimes, as usual.
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          8 May 2020 14: 50
          Yeah, there will be. :))) It only remains like you to indulge in investment dreams. :)))
        2. -2
          9 May 2020 00: 42
          Quote: 69P
          I am not interested in what happened. I'm talking about what will happen. Russia is not the USSR, there they kept you under the heel, or in the zone for economic crimes, as usual.

          What will be was not yet and it is not known how it will be. But what was, everyone knows, because it was in October 1873. They attacked Israel at that time by the whole Arab world: from Saudi Arabia to the Maghreb countries. And even we Koreans are Red Army men and we are Spartans - Pakistanis are connected. Why, even the Cubans drove up to shop. And the German pilots MiG-23 surpassed the Syrians. Got it all. It was. And what about it .... Will it still be, oh, oh, oh. )))
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    8 May 2020 12: 14
    For a hundred years now, Jews have been terrorizing the world with their schizophrenic idea of ​​being tied to Palestine.
    For the past 70 years, as a payment for blood, they have been given the opportunity to gather on this earth.
    However, as I understand it, this process threatens to turn back as soon as the patience of the peoples of the world overflows.
    Iran violet Israel.
    But the state of Zionists, like an ordinary fascist state, can only provoke conflicts.
    Well, the next round of escalation of the situation is happening before our eyes.
    I am sure that the invaders will get what they deserve. Zionism = Nazism.
    1. -1
      8 May 2020 12: 40
      Only in inflamed brains like you.
    2. +1
      8 May 2020 13: 17
      For a hundred years now, Jews have been terrorizing the world with their schizophrenic idea of ​​being tied to Palestine.

      You are somewhat off topic - not a hundred years, but over 20 centuries. Your comment verbiage.
      In fact, it is more appropriate: "For a hundred years the Arabs have been terrorizing the world with their schizophrenic idea of ​​being tied to Palestine."
      You can also whip in your words regarding:
      - "For a hundred years the Dutch have been terrorizing the world with their schizophrenic idea of ​​being attached to the Netherlands."
      "For a hundred years now, the British have been terrorizing the world with their schizophrenic idea of ​​being tied to Great Britain."
      "For a hundred years now, Russians have been terrorizing the world with their schizophrenic idea of ​​being attached to Russia."
      You can continue.
      1. +1
        8 May 2020 13: 53
        Quote: chuhman
        Your comment verbiage.

        chuhman, your comment - fornication. smile
        1. -1
          8 May 2020 13: 59
          Don't be offended. After all, I'm right. You yourself have defined my comment as "fornication". What is true, as an analogy to yours.
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            8 May 2020 14: 32
            Isofat with analogies does not matter.
            1. -1
              8 May 2020 18: 29
              And with what is this citizen doing well? bully
    3. 0
      9 May 2020 01: 11
      Quote: kalimera1
      For a hundred years now, Jews have been terrorizing the world with their schizophrenic idea of ​​being tied to Palestine.
      For the past 70 years, as a payment for blood, they have been given the opportunity to gather on this earth.
      However, as I understand it, this process threatens to turn back as soon as the patience of the peoples of the world overflows.
      Iran violet Israel.
      But the state of Zionists, like an ordinary fascist state, can only provoke conflicts.
      Well, the next round of escalation of the situation is happening before our eyes.
      I am sure that the invaders will get what they deserve. Zionism = Nazism.

      This is how the movie hero of the talented Jewish actor - combat front-line officer Vladimir Abramovich Etush recalls: "It's a shame, yes, you know, it's a shame ...."
      I understand that it's a shame that Jewish humiliation, pogroms, the Holocaust, and state anti-Semitism will never be repeated. And all because, I will report to you, that there is Zionism. Who gave battle to anti-Semitism on all fronts and won. By knockout. By the way, if you are not aware, in most European countries, anti-Zionism at the state level is equated with anti-Semitism. And is prosecuted. A couple of months ago, the largest country in Europe, France, also adopted a relevant law. Thanks to Zionism, the language of the Bible - Hebrew - has been revived, half of 15 million Jews live in their homeland in Israel, the world no longer hears anything about pogroms or Jewish refugees. Because any Jew, or even one who has at least a Jewish grandfather, can always repatriate to his historical homeland. Remind how Jews were not allowed out of the USSR? And then what happened to this country? Yes, you yourself know. Now about your statement that Zionism is fascism. Apparently, you are not working on yourself, you are not reading books. Well, what kind of fascism is this if 61% of the repatriates from the countries of the former USSR are ethnic Slavs - the wives and husbands of Jews and those who have grandfathers ... And the "joint Arab list" is represented in the Knesset by the third largest party. Arabic is the second state language. There is not a single law that discriminates against national minorities. Israel is an exemplary democracy with three branches of government, free elections. Is it possible in a fascist country, say the Hitlerite Reich, three elections in a row within a year, because the winner cannot be identified? Well, why so publicly demonstrate your ignorance? Worthless. Well, what about the peoples of the world, supposedly hating Israel. Okstay, my friend. Israel is visited by 4 million tourists a year, visa-free travel from all over Europe, Australia, Canada. Unlike your homeland. Peace and friendship with all Arab countries that unanimously hate Shiite Iran. And Russia has loyal allies: its army and navy. This has long been known. Who else, can you tell me? And will you name your friends? It's interesting all the same.
      1. +1
        9 May 2020 12: 03
        Tramp1812You make excuses all the time.
  12. 69
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    8 May 2020 13: 28
    All frostbitten Prilepino kodla, terry Russophobic Zionists, have now migrated here?
  13. 69
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    8 May 2020 13: 33
    Quote: chuhman
    I hope you will not reject the contribution of the Jews to the victory of the USSR over fascist Germany.

    You already decide there, or they defeated Hitler, or he holocausted you in the tail and in the mane, contradict yourself.
    1. -1
      8 May 2020 14: 29
      You already decide there, or they defeated Hitler, or he holocausted you in the tail and in the mane, contradict yourself.

      It does not interfere. 15 million dead civilians of the USSR will confirm.
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      8 May 2020 14: 54
      It is for you, the modern Russian Natsiks, to decide, otherwise you have no Holocaust at the same time, and Hitler supposedly did not work. Well, what can we take from the poor ... Hitler, for your overall development, by the way, ALL the nationalities of the USSR defeated, since ALL fought on an equal footing. Take an interest, if you have enough mind, by the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union among Jews.
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      9 May 2020 01: 18
      Quote: 69P
      Quote: chuhman
      I hope you will not reject the contribution of the Jews to the victory of the USSR over fascist Germany.

      You already decide there, or they defeated Hitler, or he holocausted you in the tail and in the mane, contradict yourself.

      The Jewish civilian population was subjected to the Holocaust, and the Jewish soldiers, officers and generals in the armed forces of the countries of the Allied armies numbering a million fighters, just Germans, in the very tail and mane. And the civilian Jewish population, doomed to gas chambers, were not resigned sheep. The uprising in the Jewish Warsaw ghetto frightened the entire Reich. Goebbels wrote in his diaries: "This is what to expect from Jews if they are armed." And the successful uprising of captured Jewish fighters in the Sobibor concentration camp !? They killed all the guards with their bare hands. Did not hear? Google to help you.
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  15. 69
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    8 May 2020 16: 15
    Quote: Natan Bruk
    This is for you, modern Russian Natsiks

    Whatever cow mooed about the Natsiks, it’s better to keep whining about the Holocaust than about your fake heroes.
    1. -1
      8 May 2020 17: 03
      ... better keep whining about the Holocaust than about your fake heroes.

      From 170 to 177 Jews received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, which puts them in 4th place after the Russians (7998 people); Ukrainians (2021 people) and Belarusians (299 people), approximately on a par with the Tatars (161 people).

      Jews were in 5th place in the number of deaths in the Red Army during the war.
      More:

      http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/
      1. +1
        8 May 2020 20: 23
        Quote: jacques
        From 170 to 177 Jews received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union

        Yes, it is our people of the USSR who fought against the Nazis. What relation do you have to her, this victory? Your country was not even at that time. Our victory is one of the reasons for the emergence of Israel.
        1. -1
          9 May 2020 11: 33
          Quote: isofat
          Quote: jacques
          From 170 to 177 Jews received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union

          Yes, it is our people of the USSR who fought against the Nazis. What relation do you have to her, this victory? Your country was not even at that time. Our victory is one of the reasons for the emergence of Israel.

          And this your argument is not true. De facto, Israel was created in the mid-20s of the 20th century. And as part of the British Armed Forces, the national Jewish brigade fought under the Israeli flag. It was she who liberated Sicily. Germany paid reparations and restitution to Israel as a defeated victorious country. Holocaust payments were made later. Israel appeared on the political map of the world for completely different reasons. And his birth is not the end of World War II, but the Balfour declaration, the international conference in San Remo and the decision of the League of Nations. Which took place from 1917 to 1923. After the defeat of Ottoman Turkey in the First World War.
          1. +2
            9 May 2020 13: 23
            Quote: Rogue1812
            Israel was created in the mid-20s of the 20th century.

            Tramp1812honestly searched signs of existence at least some Jewish state, even de facto. Alas, there was no such thing.

            PS The British authorities created a Jewish brigade in September 1944, and the war with Germany ended in May 1945.
            The Jewish Brigade was disbanded in 1946, again by the British authorities.
            1. -1
              9 May 2020 14: 10
              The Jewish Brigade (Hebrew הַבְּרִיגָדָה הַיְּהוּדִית, the English Jewish Infantry Brigade Group) is the only Jewish national military unit in the Allied forces during the Second World War. Was part of the British army. Created in September 1944, it consisted of Jewish volunteers, had its own military emblem and banner - a white panel with two blue stripes, gold Magen David and the inscription "Jewish Brigade". The Canadian Jew, Brigadier General Ernest Frank Benjamin, was appointed commander of the brigade.
              The brigade conducted successful military operations in Italy against selected fascist German troops.
              1. +2
                9 May 2020 14: 19
                Tramp1812. Britain had to create such a brigade before, but, apparently, they were saving the backbone of the future army of Israel from heavy losses.
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                  9 May 2020 14: 46
                  27 Palestinian Jews have served in combat units of the British Army since the start of the war. But the British, at that time, being against the creation of a Jewish state, strongly opposed this. Since it was clear as God's day, that after the defeat of Germany, the Jewish brigade would begin to liberate the territory on which Israel already de facto existed. By the way, these territories, including the Golan, were bought by Jews in the person of Baron Edmond Rothschild and the Zionist Fund. But the British turned on the back, formed Jordan in the territory intended for Israel. Germany recognized Israel’s right as one of the winning countries for reparations (1952) and paid them, if memory serves, by 1964.
                  1. +1
                    9 May 2020 15: 26
                    Quote: Rogue1812
                    But the British at that time, being against the creation of a Jewish state, strongly opposed this

                    Well, but I'm looking. It turns out that there was still no Jewish state.
        2. -1
          9 May 2020 14: 31
          A huge contribution to the creation of the state of Israel was made by the Jews who fought in the armies of the allies against Nazi Germany. Their combat experience may have been decisive in the defeat of the many times superior forces of the Arab countries.
    2. -1
      9 May 2020 21: 39
      Linden heroes are, for example, policemen in the occupied territories.
  16. 69
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    8 May 2020 17: 54
    Quote: jacques
    Jews were

    All your "statistics", sheer profanation, lies and forgery, and also love to appropriate, someone else's, including merit. And the eternal whining about the Holocaust is an admission of your worthlessness, in Egypt you also had a Holocaust. Wherever you stick your head around, it turns out to be crap.
    1. -1
      8 May 2020 19: 33
      All your "statistics", sheer profanation, lies and forgery, and also love to appropriate, including someone else's, and merit.

      For example?
  17. 69
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    8 May 2020 18: 42
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Of these figures, one Jew is Dvorkovich.

    It’s you who will be breathing in to your Sarah.
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  20. +2
    8 May 2020 18: 50
    The Israeli pilot Dov Ashkenazi during the exercises, threw another missile at the target and, returning to his base, anticipated the delicious smell of freshly brewed coffee, satisfied with the results of the shooting.

    Not far from this place, on the ground, once again with enthusiasm, shouting: "Allah Akbar !!!" a Syrian missile launcher launched another missile at an Israeli one. The ancient spell did not work ...))))

    And at this time, tearing a thoughtful gaze from the monitor, without turning to anyone, the air defense captain of the Russian Federation, Glitchy, said:
    “I wonder how the Israelis leaked unnoticed through this mountain range?”
    To which the ensign Smyshlenny cheerfully answered:
    - So, Comrade Captain, the F-16 has a high ground clearance, so they drove along mountain trails there!))))
    At the same time, the Syrian news agency SANA has already cheerfully scribbled news that the vile attack was carried out by the Israelis and all the missiles were shot down. Shards hit several civilians walking a tractor in a field in the middle of the night ...
  21. 69
    +2
    8 May 2020 19: 50
    Quote: jacques
    eg ?

    Yes, even the fact that 90% of your "heroes" are the executioners of the Gulag, it is better not to mess with your history and statistics, sheer dirt.
    1. -3
      8 May 2020 19: 55
      From 170 to 177 Jews received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, which puts them in 4th place after the Russians (7998 people); Ukrainians (2021 people) and Belarusians (299 people), approximately on a par with the Tatars (161 people).
      Is there anything to answer?
      When we are done with this, let’s take a look at the Gulag.
    2. -2
      9 May 2020 21: 41
      Oh, how, on the one hand - what a fine fellow Stalin, that the GULAG arranged, on the other - "the executioners of the GULAG." Indicative schizophrenia.
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        11 May 2020 06: 53
        The Gulag is the General Directorate of Camps, an analogue of the FSIN.
  22. 69
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    8 May 2020 20: 03
    Quote: jacques
    170 to 177 Jews

    These are those to whom the investigators did not get on the wave of euphoria after the Victory, as planned, as the Georgians and other Bandera. For the plan, each creature was taken in pairs.
    1. +2
      8 May 2020 21: 18
      69. These are our heroes, they defeated fascism. We managed to fight Zionism. In the war, the Nazis and Zionists were friends.
  23. 69
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    8 May 2020 20: 23
    Quote: jacques
    when we're done with this gulag

    You have already dealt with the gulag, it’s better not to tackle this topic.
    1. -4
      8 May 2020 21: 26
      You have already dealt with the gulag, it’s better not to tackle this topic.

      Well why))) Your friends have done very well in this field.
      The Jews didn’t stand on the towers, they didn’t shoot ... these are all your fellow Stalinists.

      Number of Communists CCCP: 19 (January 487, 822) ... are all Jews?

      Do you know this old Martian saying about a bad dancer and Faberge eggs?)))
      Do not look for the culprits away, look in the mirror.
      1. +1
        9 May 2020 00: 31
        Quote: jacques
        Jews did not stand on the towers, did not shoot ...

        Jacques, and who is Mordechai Rumkovsky with his colleagues?
        1. -2
          9 May 2020 01: 38
          Quote: isofat
          Quote: jacques
          Jews did not stand on the towers, did not shoot ...

          Jacques, and who is Mordechai Rumkovsky with his colleagues?

          And who is Vasily Blokhin, al?
          1. +1
            9 May 2020 02: 33
            Tramp1812, do not be nervous. I just denied jacks. Let's not list all the villains.
        2. -2
          9 May 2020 12: 44
          Kuzya, here the conversation is about the Gulag !!!
          One Vlasov’s division contained so many native Russians ... that it overdid all the Jews !!!
          The Jews tried to save their lives, tell you how the Russians behaved in captivity with the Germans?
          Or what can Russians, foolish Jews?
          1. +1
            9 May 2020 13: 38
            Jacques, calm down, stop the tantrum.

            So who is Mordechai Rumkovsky with his colleagues? Is he related to you? Do not want to answer. smile
  24. -2
    8 May 2020 21: 28
    Russia's actions in Syria force Israel

    - Israel wanted to sneeze at the actions of Russia, and more than once it has already proved it.
  25. +1
    10 May 2020 08: 09
    Russia's actions in Syria are forcing Israel to take desperate steps that are doomed to failure!
  26. 0
    10 May 2020 19: 11
    6 nuclear warheads of the Luna-M tactical complex and the problem with Israel will be closed once and for all.
  27. 0
    11 May 2020 00: 08
    Those who have no interests are doomed to adapt. This is a purely female position.