Western cynicism for the anniversary of the Victory: How long will Russia endure this?


This year, the celebration of the next anniversary of the Great Victory is pretty spoiled by the coronavirus pandemic that has gripped the world, which, alas, has not bypassed our country. However, no less, and, perhaps, more than the abolition of the traditional military parade in honor of Victory Day and other, highly anticipated and dear to the hearts of every Russian festive events, this bright and memorable date has been overshadowed recently by the very frequent demarches of a certain sense. which allow themselves the countries whose deliverance from the Nazi yoke was paid for by the blood and lives of our heroic ancestors.


Having become extremely arrogant and provoking antics of the Russophobes in power, their aim is clearly to spit out national pride and memory of our people on the eve of the holy day for them. Moreover, it is becoming increasingly obvious - this bacchanalia will continue exactly as long as Russia tolerates it.

“Russians will wipe off”?


One gets the impression that it is this confidence that guides those who today allow themselves open mockery of the memory of the liberating soldiers, the destruction of memorials dedicated to them and vile statements that sound insulting to every normal resident of our country. I do not want to once again return to the list of disgusting acts and words of these “figures”, but what can you do - as they say, you can’t erase a word from a song. The dismantling of the monument to its liberator Marshal Ivan Konev in Prague and the installation in this city of a memorial plaque dedicated to collaborators and Nazi lackeys, the gang of General Vlasov, were, in fact, only the first act of the Russophobic show that the Czech Republic had begun. Following the tragedy of the loss of memory and conscience, a uniform comedy generally followed. More truly, the farce of the low base itself. Delusional statements about the arrival of “a Russian liquidator who intends to poison with ricin all those involved in the dismantling of the monument to Konev,” completely unworthy tantrums on this far-fetched occasion, regularly broadcast primarily by the main paskudnik - the head of the Prague-6 district, Ondřej Kolráž ... Police guards assigned by to him, as well as to two other local officials, who were fancied by the very same “horror films” themselves — a fan of Vlasov’s elder of the Rzhepory district, Pavel Novotnu, and Prague mayor Zdenek Grzhiba ... The Kolarzh’s panic appeal to Ursula von der Leyen, the President of the European Commission herself, with a request “to protect Russia from the threatening Czech Republic and interfering in its internal affairs” ... All this can be described with only one rude and popular word - “disgrace”. However, as it turned out, all the mouse fuss described above was also started in order to pour another bucket of mud, which consists of ridiculous accusations and perversions of historical truth, into our Motherland.

Not with a ricin, but with something hard to clean the brains, you should treat the Prague mayor for his words that the liberation of the Czech capital “is not at all the merit of the Soviets, although for political reasons they attributed it to themselves and attribute it to this day.” According to Grzyb, Prague was liberated by certain "Czech rebels who returned the nation honor and pride", before whom the "fascists surrendered." Well, we’ll talk about Czech “honor and pride” (to write only in quotation marks!), But for now we will notice that these mayors, who have nothing to do with the truth of boastful statements, seemed few, and he added words to them about them that "the Soviet Union was one of the inspirers of World War II and an ally of Nazi Germany during its first two years." Well, here - no comment at all. The most touching thing is that after all this, the Czech Foreign Minister Tomas Petršicek appeared on the stage and, as if nothing had happened, suggested Moscow “not to politicize the issue”, but “to solve it in the space of diplomacy”. Moreover, the Foreign Ministry, which did not give a damn to every Russian person in the country, also announces plans to "increase the number of its diplomats in Russia." Think about it - these naughty people are firmly convinced that we will not expose even those of their ambassadors that are already available (although this is exactly what would be the most appropriate answer in this situation)! “Russians will wipe off” ?! Why then be surprised that another European dirty trickster, even of smaller caliber - Speaker of the Estonian Parliament Henn Põlluaas allows himself to call the “Immortal Regiment” a “symbol of murder and repression,” and the Red Army soldier “killers and destroyers”, because which his "country", you see, "has suffered half a century of occupation and oppression." Where to go further ... How is it in the song of a popular group? “The miserable dwarfs that yesterday smiled respectfully, behind someone else’s back they already spit in your face ...” So, it seems? Well, it came to this.

It's time to change the concept


I will allow myself not even to speculate, but to assert with complete confidence that it will only get worse. The blackening of the exploits of the Soviet people, the Red Army, the entire USSR during the Great Patriotic War, attempts to completely level its role in saving mankind from the mortal threat hanging over it in the face of the Nazis and their satellites are not the only antics of the nowadays professional Russophobes and anti-advisers who have sprouted today. It is clear, thoughtful and global. policy the whole "collective West". The ultimate goal is to equate the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany and the final declaration of it as an "evil empire." With all, as they say, the ensuing consequences for Russia, which is the legal and historical successor of the USSR. Not to see this, not to be aware of this, only a person suffering from extreme forms of blindness and naivety can deny this. However, sometimes one gets the feeling that it was they who were struck by the leadership of our country (with the possible exception of Shoigu, who called to judge the bastards who dared to demolish the monument to Konev). Once upon a time, it’s understandable that no "expressions of concern", diplomatic notes, or similar "pin-shots" can fix this. Here you need a club, not a pin! Lawsuits, expulsion of diplomats, severance of relations, complete blocking of the assets of those countries on the territory of Russia, the official representatives of which at least once allowed themselves to spit in our Memory, in our Victory, to mock the millions of victims of our people and their exploit. Moreover, the maximum amount of trouble should be created for representatives of any business related to a country that has lost shame, fear and conscience - even then ask their presidents, mayors and speakers. It will bring economic losses of Russia itself? And would you dare to say about these “losses” to those who lay bones beneath Rzhev and Vyazma in order for you personally to live today ?!

However, you need not start with this. Let me give you an example - Estonia and Ukraine today in the person of the heads of their diplomatic departments declare the creation of an "anti-Russian historical front in the UN Security Council." You see, they are committed to “fighting the spread of distorted historical facts by Russia, primarily related to the Second World War”. One can only imagine how many abominations will be said from the high rostrum of the UN, how many lies and dirt have been poured onto our country. And what does our Foreign Ministry do as opposed to all other government departments ?! I could be wrong, but it seems that nothing. In any case, an adequate counteraction is somehow not visible. And it's time to render it. And above all, Russia in the most decisive way needs to abandon the concept imposed on us by Soviet historiography about "confronting the Nazi occupiers" and "liberating the peoples of Europe who suffered under the Nazi yoke." The hordes that came to our land to kill, rob, rape, burn were German-Romanian-Italian-Spanish-Hungarian-Finnish-Slovak ... And so on. The list is long! Let me remind you - after the end of the Great Patriotic War, in addition to the quite expected Germans, Italians, Hungarians and Romanians, Austrians, Poles, French, Czechs and Slovaks, Croats, all tens of thousands, were found in Soviet captivity. There were also Belgians, Danes, Dutch, Norwegians, Swedes and others. In smaller quantities, of course, but these creatures were, believe me, by no means a pair. So this is only prisoners! How many whole scum from all ends and corners of Europe has been dragged onto our land, now it’s impossible to count - it’s rotted in it qualitatively, and rightly so. As during the Patriotic War of 1812, our country did not fight with the Third Reich in any way, but with Europe united under its filthy banners. When will it finally be recognized and laid the foundation for our approach to that war and the descendants who waged it against us?

Regarding the Czechs, as promised ... They, sorry for the expression, "national honor and pride." These pathological cowards, which had armed forces in 1938, surpassed almost the newborn Wehrmacht and fortified areas, were not inferior to the famous “lines” of Maginot and Mannerheim, were never even shot at the Germans who came from the occupation! And there is no need to shove it into the "Munich agreement", if we would like to, we would fight back. “It's disgusting to have such opponents” is a quote from real reviews of German officers about the Czechs. 9 Wehrmacht divisions until the last rifle were armed with Czech weapons by June 22, 1941, every third tank in it was again launched on the conveyors of this country by the end of the war, there were Czech formations (exclusively voluntary) in the SS - this is about these “pride” and honor ”dare to make sounds of Grzhib ?! Or about the highest ratings that the Nazis gave to workers and engineers of Czech military factories, from which they “never saw a single act of sabotage”? In the Great Patriotic War, Czechoslovakia was Hitler's real ally - faithful, executive, obsequious and vile. For 1968 in Prague to this day are offended? Judging by Grzhib, Kolarzh and Novotny, “brains were set” then quite deservedly. It’s a pity - it’s not enough ... Consider this my personal opinion and you may not agree with him, but I will stay with him.

Russia must recognize the obvious - the vast majority of European Union countries are responsible for the deaths and suffering of our people, for our burnt cities and villages, for the blood and torment of our fallen soldiers and victims of the occupation. Let not the same as the German Nazis who led the pack, but absolutely certain. It’s time to show once and for all to all these small jackals that yapping at the holy is fraught. And by the way, this should be done not only in the Kremlin. Is it weak for all of us to declare a complete boycott of Czech goods tomorrow? Yes, they have wonderful beer, no doubt - I like it myself. And the Skoda is a great car. But are there more important things in life? But no one calls us to go with a rifle to the trenches, to lie down with grenades under the Panzerkampfwagen 38 (t), which was stamped in the Czech Republic by the hundreds during the whole war. It was our grandfathers who went to them ... We just need to remember whose grandchildren we are and that we have pride. No, one can, of course, prefer a glorious beer to all these high matters. But then remove the St. George ribbon - not yours. And avoid looking into the eyes of a front-line photograph of your great-grandfather ...
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  1. GRF Offline
    GRF 7 May 2020 09: 57
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    Well, not to use the trophy, voluntarily on the personal front, it’s not that, but the fact that the state should regulate the ruble trade with Russophobes in rubles is unambiguous, although even for this it is necessary to depart from traditional “diplomacy”:
    Partners ... Spit in the soul and again partners ...
    It is a pity that simplicity is the lot of the trench, when you can \ need to clearly state: "You are not my brother, but r ..."
    It is not the first time for Americans to get out of contracts that have become unprofitable for them, why do not their advisers set us an example?
  2. Dmitry S. Offline
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 7 May 2020 10: 16
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    I stopped drinking beer long ago - there is practically no domestic good, and Kraft is all of the imported ingredients. I will not give up Hasek, because he is good. I try not to buy imported products. I agree with the author: it is necessary to arrange a boycott of Russophobic products.
  3. Bitter Offline
    Bitter (Gleb) 7 May 2020 10: 56
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    It's time to change the concept.
    I will allow myself not even to speculate, but to assert with complete confidence that it will only get worse.

    Of course it will be. And who said it would be easy? What kind of concept are we talking about? Everything goes according to a secret and cunning plan.
    The Soviet Union was condemned, the Communists were persecuted, everything was privatized and life began to be wonderful.
    The parades from the beginning to the mid-90s, of course, were the most brilliant in the history of all Victory parades. A demonstrative strewing of ashes of the head from year to year and the blackening of their own compatriots and soldiers (generals are also soldiers) were carefully observed from the same countries. Conclusions were drawn.
    Monuments to the same Czechs who died in the war on the side of the Nazis were put on the territory of Russia. Sick people from the political elite, for "a little money" allowed to erect whole monuments, although in fact (purely Christian) just a cross for memory and a short inscription would be more than enough.
    It was then, in the 90s, that the very advanced mines were laid by the most advanced Russian politicians, who are now starting to tear here and there.
    After all, you can suspect that the authorities are the same enemies of the Soviets and the people as the Vlasovites, they just came to power on a different path.
    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 7 May 2020 12: 25
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      We just need to remember whose grandchildren we are and that we have pride

      Quote: Bitter
      one may suspect that the same enemies of councils and people are in power

      We are the grandchildren of our grandfathers who fought for our (grandchildren) bright socialist future. Here's what you can remember, plunging into the memories deeply enough. And the “partners” of our grandfathers were situational - they landed in Normandy only at the end of the war and, under Stalin’s personal guarantee, began after that a major offensive operation (which ended in the complete defeat of the Army Center group). Please note that even in the "friendly allied" impulses, the USSR did not detract from its own role - the only one hand of the Soviet state balanced all the other attempts of the "partners":

      1. 1000 svolder Offline
        1000 svolder (1000 svolder) 13 May 2020 08: 09
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        Hitler's partner was Hitler until June 22, which your grandfathers supplied with raw materials.
  4. 1536 Offline
    1536 (Eugene) 7 May 2020 11: 16
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    The Czech Republic is marked on large-scale geographical and political maps in numbers. Why does the embassy of this so-called country occupy so much space in Moscow? It is enough to transfer powers to express the interests of Czechs in Russia, for example, Hungary or Austria, thus lowering the status of diplomatic relations. And the economy, let it remain the economy, if someone is interested in communicating with the heirs of fascist shortcomings.
    1. 1000 svolder Offline
      1000 svolder (1000 svolder) 13 May 2020 08: 07
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      If you yourself, why pour mud on the Czechs, they are on their own, we are on their own. They have the right to the monuments that they need, and not to us. Place a monument to Konev in your yard and download.
  5. Bakht Online
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 May 2020 13: 26
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    In Russia there are currently dozens of monuments to Czech legionnaires. There can be only one adequate answer - to demolish everything to Benin’s mother. At the same time, a memorial near Smolensk.
    And in no case explain why they were demolished.

    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 7 May 2020 16: 48
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      As far as I remember, an agreement on the inviolability of military graves is in force with the Czechs. As with Poland. The consequences of violation of this agreement of the Russian Federation are not difficult to predict.
      1. Bakht Online
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 May 2020 21: 02
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        There is a contract. But lately, it has become fashionable to break contracts without any explanation. The Konev Monument is not a burial place. And the desecration of burial places in Eastern Europe has taken on a massive nature. What other consequences could there be? Will desecration begin already undisguised?
        Strictly speaking, I do not quite understand the meaning of the monument near Smolensk and absolutely do not understand a dozen monuments to white whales. By the way, the monuments to white-cherries are precisely monuments, not burial places. So take everything to the root.
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        The Czechs do not like history, since in real history the Czechs, like the Slovaks, were on the side of Hitler.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 May 2020 00: 38
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          Quote: Bakht
          But lately, it has become fashionable to break contracts without any explanation.

          Which for example?

          Quote: Bakht
          And the desecration of burial places in Eastern Europe has taken on a massive nature.

          Straight on the loose? How much is last year? And for 2018?

          Quote: Bakht
          What other consequences could there be? Will desecration begin already undisguised?

          What are you offering? "Take everything to Benin’s mom." It is likely that the Czechs will do the same in return. There will simply be no graves.

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          Strictly speaking, I do not quite understand the meaning of the monument near Smolensk and absolutely do not understand a dozen monuments to white whales.

          You do not understand why people put commemorative signs on the graves? This is a tradition.

          Quote: Bakht
          By the way, the monuments to white-cherries are precisely monuments, not burial places. So take everything to the root.

          Something is hardly believed that anyone in Russia had the idea to put a monument to the Czechs just like that, without reference to the graves. Nonsense.

          Quote: Bakht
          The Czechs do not like history, since in real history the Czechs, like the Slovaks, were on the side of Hitler.

          Nobody likes the real story (if the current one exists at all). You are likely to justify the cooperation of the USSR with Nazi Germany in the first two years of World War II or the partition of Poland with Hitler, but outside Russia you are unlikely to find people who share your point of view. But at the same time you vehemently denounce the cooperation of the Czechs with the same Hitler. And by the way, what was it expressed "were on the side of Hitler"? How many fought on the side of Germany, how many on the side of the allies?
          1. Bakht Online
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2020 09: 39
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            I support the absence of war in the USSR. And the partition of Poland does not recognize. The USSR returned what Poland had grabbed in 1920. The opinion outside of Russia excites me a little. For the simple reason that they write all sorts of nonsense. We have already discussed this topic.
            The Czechs fought on the side of Hitler. And there were more of them than on the side of the allies.
            But this fact is not interesting. The appointment of Heydrich as the protector of the Czech Republic and Moravia led to the fact that the Czech resistance (if it was) quickly came to naught. Czech workers increased their salaries, opened holiday homes, began to give various benefits. This led to the fact that productivity at Czech plants was higher than at German. Throughout the war. More than half of German self-propelled guns were released in the Czech Republic. One of the best Hetzer was designed by Czech engineers and was produced until the end of the war. Until May 1945. It was Hitler’s arsenal.
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            About the graves. Part of the cemeteries, but a lot of and just monuments. All this is superfluous. Europe does not like Soviet monuments? Conduct a survey in Russia and I am sure that Europe will not like the result.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 May 2020 17: 44
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              Quote: Bakht
              I support the absence of war in the USSR.

              And the Czechs supported the absence of war and terror on their territory. What is the difference?

              Quote: Bakht
              And the partition of Poland does not recognize. The USSR returned what Poland had grabbed in 1920.

              You see, but in the "real" history of the USSR, Poland was recognized within those borders, and at the initiative of the Soviet government a memorandum on the definition of aggression was signed, under which the actions of the USSR clearly fall. That is, in the "real" history of the USSR, together with a preliminary conspiracy with Nazi Germany, he committed an act of aggression against Poland. But you do not like such a story and you ignore it. But at the same time, he vehemently condemns others who have committed such acts.
              History is biased, so some argue that this is not science.

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              The opinion outside of Russia excites me a little.

              I think your opinion is also not very much who cares.

              Quote: Bakht
              For the simple reason that they write all sorts of nonsense.

              I don’t know how it is, there’s a lot of nonsense here, too, dear bear040 with foam at the mouth proves to me that for all deliveries under the Lend-Lease, the USSR paid in gold. And where do you read all these nonsense?

              Quote: Bakht
              We have already discussed this topic.
              The Czechs fought on the side of Hitler. And there were more of them than on the side of the allies.
              But this fact is not interesting. The appointment of Heydrich as the protector of the Czech Republic and Moravia led to the fact that the Czech resistance (if it was) quickly came to naught. Czech workers increased their salaries, opened holiday homes, began to give various benefits. This led to the fact that productivity at Czech plants was higher than at German. Throughout the war. More than half of German self-propelled guns were released in the Czech Republic. One of the best Hetzer was designed by Czech engineers and was produced until the end of the war. Until May 1945. It was Hitler’s arsenal.

              I don’t remember discussing this with you; you can link to the Czech national units of the Wehrmacht. I met about the Soviet, about the English, too, but the German only about the security unit in Italy, from which they massively fled to the partisans.
              And actually, does all this written by you change something in today?

              Quote: Bakht
              About the graves. Part of the cemeteries, but a lot of and just monuments. All this is superfluous. Europe does not like Soviet monuments? Conduct a survey in Russia and I am sure that Europe will not like the result.

              I do not believe that someone in the Russian Federation could have come up with an idea to put up just a monument to the white whales, why the hell should they put them? Can you give an example?
              Poll about what? On the territory of Russia in general there are monuments to someone foreign national? Monerheim demolished the board, I did not hear more. And how many monuments of Russian citizens abroad? Explicitly more orders of magnitude. Your idea of ​​"Tear Everything Down to Benin's Mother" is disadvantageous above all to Russia.
              1. Bakht Online
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2020 21: 08
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                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/

                Monuments to Czechoslovak Legionnaires

                At the same time, Czech volunteers had the opportunity to join the Wehrmacht and the SS troops (Czechs in the SS). Some of them found themselves on the Eastern Front. According to the statistics of the NKVD, in 1945 there were 69 Czechs and Slovaks in Soviet captivity, but it is not known how many Czechs were among them.

                When I say that the Czechs fought on the side of Hitler, this is not only the front. Victory is forged in the rear. Every fifth German tank (this is 20%) produced in the Czech Republic, heavy artillery systems, and shells. Victory is forged in the rear.

                In February 1945, the first Czech enrollment took place in the SS Brisken police regiment, which was included in the 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Bohemia and Moravia (31. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division).

                In the same year, Czechs, mainly soldiers and cavalry officers of the former Czechoslovak army, formed the second SS division (900 men) - the 37th SS Lutzov volunteer cavalry division (37. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Division "Lützow").
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 9 May 2020 14: 57
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                  Quote: Bakht
                  Monuments to Czechoslovak Legionnaires

                  It seems to me that all these are memorials, even if there are no burials there. Do you suggest taking a chance and starting a war of monuments? Which can easily go into a war of graves, which can lead to the disappearance of the graves of Soviet soldiers in the Czech Republic? And for what? More than a century has passed, their grandchildren are already deep old men, that everyone is at war.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  According to the statistics of the NKVD, in 1945 there were 69 Czechs and Slovaks in Soviet captivity, but it is not known how many Czechs were among them.

                  It seems to me that most of these prisoners are called Volksdeutsche. But then again, what does that change? What is the difference from heavi or ROA?

                  Quote: Bakht
                  When I say that the Czechs fought on the side of Hitler, this is not only the front. Victory is forged in the rear. Every fifth German tank (this is 20%) produced in the Czech Republic, heavy artillery systems, and shells. Victory is forged in the rear.

                  Occupied France gave much more, I think, and the occupied part of the USSR gave the Reich economy no less than the Czechs. All Wehrmacht bread on the eastern front produced from local grain not only captured but also grown during the occupation. Repair of German armored vehicles was also carried out at Soviet factories by Soviet citizens. Railways served not only the Germans. A "real" story - it is like that. And yet, what does all this change in today?
                  1. Bakht Online
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 9 May 2020 15: 52
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                    The war of monuments is already underway.
                    But I like your approach. Finally, at least indirectly, you acknowledge that the USSR fought with all of Europe. Many times I called to carefully read order 227. In the summer of 1942, the USSR did not have an advantage in either human or material resources.
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                    My opinion has not changed. There is no place for monuments to white whales, Poles in Russia.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 10 May 2020 20: 19
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                      Quote: Bakht
                      The war of monuments is already underway.

                      Unfortunately, you are not directly responding. Once again, do you think that the Russian Federation should risk the burial of Soviet soldiers in the Czech Republic in order to punish the Czechs and destroy their memorials in Russia?

                      Quote: Bakht
                      But I like your approach. Finally, at least indirectly, you acknowledge that the USSR fought with all of Europe. Many times I called to carefully read order 227. In the summer of 1942, the USSR did not have an advantage in either human or material resources.

                      Yes, yes, I remember, you believe in Santa Claus, miracles, and that Stalin stopped the flight of the Red Army with his own word. Your "USSR fought with all of Europe" is a substitution of concepts.
                      Germany used the resources of the occupied countries, no one argues with this, but these countries did not fight the USSR. I understand that such phrases flatter national (and nationalist, such as Russian superhumans in one fell swoop seven murders) feelings, but they have little to do with reality. If the whole of Europe really fought the USSR, we would not have had the resources, this again is all from the realm of faith in miracles. By the way, England from 40 to 41 also fought with all of Europe?
                      Regarding resources, can you prove it with numbers in hand? As far as I remember, in the most deplorable year 42, tank production exceeded German more than twice, and this is without taking into account Lend-Lease. In the Red Army, 36 million people were called up for the war, and Germany and its European allies 27 (moreover, this is not only for the eastern front) (from memory).

                      Quote: Bakht
                      My opinion has not changed. There is no place for monuments to white whales, Poles in Russia.

                      Are you ready to make an exchange and demolish monuments to white whales and Poles in exchange for the demolition of the burial places of Soviet soldiers in Poland and the Czech Republic?
                      1. Bakht Online
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 May 2020 20: 38
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                        I am for parity in the relationship. Those countries that consider the USSR an aggressor and which are against monuments to Russian soldiers do not have the right to have monuments in Russia.
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                        The USSR fought with all of Europe and Santa Claus has nothing to do with this. And about the fact that Stalin stopped the retreat, I also believe.
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                        What is a substitution of concepts - we must carefully look. If you carefully read my first post, you will not find a single word about the graves. Read carefully.
                      2. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 12 May 2020 14: 15
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        The USSR fought with all of Europe and Santa Claus has nothing to do with this. And about the fact that Stalin stopped the retreat, I also believe.

                        Well then. You claim that

                        In the summer of 1942, the USSR had no advantage in either human or material resources.

                        That is, you say that there were no objective reasons for the victory. But since we still won, the icons of the reason for this victory lie in the realm of the mystical, supernatural. But what is this if not a miracle?

                        Quote: Bakht
                        I am for parity in the relationship. Those countries that consider the USSR an aggressor and which are against monuments to Russian soldiers do not have the right to have monuments in Russia.

                        Don't you feel the difference between a memorial and a monument?
                        Please answer the question, what will the Poles do with the graves of Soviet soldiers if they demolish the memorial to the executed Poles near Smolensk?
                      3. Bakht Online
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 May 2020 16: 09
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                        Poland uses the memorial near Smolensk for political purposes. Are there definitely the remains of Poles? Or is it just a memorial?

                        Memorial - a memorial place, monument or event in memory of someone or something.

                        Burial places can be left, and the memorial torn down.
                        And this is just information about the "monument to the unknown fascist."

                        https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/9d45e864
                      4. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 12 May 2020 18: 33
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Poland uses the memorial near Smolensk for political purposes. Are there definitely the remains of Poles? Or is it just a memorial?

                        What difference is there, no? So they will demolish Soviet memorials in response. Someone will understand something wrong and take down the burial place. In response, the other side will also take down the graves. As a result, neither there nor there will be these graves. Are you ready to pay such a price for your dislike of Polish and Czech memorials?

                        Quote: Bakht
                        And this is just information about the "monument to the unknown fascist."

                        https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/9d45e864

                        https://riavrn.ru/districts/rossoshanskiy/okhota-na-vedm-kak-voronezhskiy-pamyatnyy-znak-okazalsya-v-tsentre-skandala/

                        It is difficult to call this a "monument to the unknown fascist." Leave the children a good kindergarten. What is the use of fighting the dead?
                      5. Bakht Online
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 May 2020 20: 45
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                        I was not going to fight the dead. In Poland, graves (monuments and graves) of Soviet soldiers are regularly desecrated. You have not noticed this link.
                        I am talking about those countries where Soviet monuments are demolished. In this case, it is Poland and the Czech Republic. The Italians erected a monument - it was necessary to coordinate the sketches. A kindergarten is always a good thing.
                        That's just to remember everything. As they say:

                        Who remembers the old - that eye out. And whoever forgets - both.
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                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 16 May 2020 15: 17
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        in Poland, graves (monuments and graves) of Soviet soldiers are regularly desecrated. You have not noticed this link.
                        I am talking about those countries where Soviet monuments are demolished. In this case, it is Poland and the Czech Republic.

                        Poland contains these graves, if some marginals damage them, they are being repaired.

                        https://ria.ru/20191128/1561709043.html

                        https://www.ridus.ru/news/313219

                        https://rg.ru/2015/11/30/polsha.html

                        But for some reason, with tenacity worthy of a better application, you want to give a trump card to the hands of those forces in Poland who want to destroy these graves.
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                        isofat (Sergei) 16 May 2020 15: 56
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                        Oleg RamboverWill I ever hear your suggestions on this issue - the desecration of our graves and monuments in Europe? Or do I follow the comments in vain and can I make a diagnosis?
              2. Bakht Online
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 May 2020 16: 15
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                About the mystic. No mysticism. I'm tired of repeating. In the summer of 1942, the USSR had no advantages other than a working industry (the merit of Stalin) and an honest order that the war was lost and nowhere to retreat. And, importantly, the management of military operations. Also the merit of Stalin.
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                For example. The Polish leadership fled on the third day of the war and did not control anything. The command of the French army started a reshuffle and for three days no one led the troops. Raynaud wrote to Churchill: “The war is lost” on the fifth day of hostilities. Stalin was in Moscow in November 1941, 30 km from the front and was not going to flee. If you think that war is won without command, you are greatly mistaken.
              3. Oleg Rambover Offline
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 May 2020 15: 34
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                Quote: Bakht
                In the summer of 1942, the USSR had no advantages other than a working industry

                So was the advantage or not? Did this industry produce more military products? Are you able to justify your claim with links?

                Quote: Bakht
                an honest order that the war is lost and nowhere to retreat.

                And who is to blame for the fact that the war was losing?



                I understand your idea that one word of Stalin changed the course of the war, but to me, as a materialist, it seems impossible, that for a change just a word, an order is enough. For me, to believe in the power of the words of Stalin is akin to believing in a miracle, Santa Claus, Voodoo, etc. And this is faith in you, because you are not able to prove it.

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                The Polish leadership fled on the third day of the war and did not control anything.

                It is not true. The leadership of Poland left the country on the night of September 17-18. It is logical that they left Warsaw, it is difficult to control anything from the environment, especially from the occupation. For example, in the USSR, a spare capital was prepared with a bunker for Stalin, and I do not believe that Joseph Vissarionovich was so not smart that he would remain in Moscow under the real threat of her fall or encirclement, and would shoot from the Nagan from the Kremlin towers.
                And I want to remind you the story of the collapse of Comrade Stalin a week after the start of the war, when Minsk and its commissar of defense fell, when he realized that the red generals did not know the situation, had no connection with the troops, and these same troops in the border regions disappeared as morning fog. What is the fundamental difference between the first months of the Second World War and the Polish company, apart from the speed of advancement of the Wehrmacht?

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                The command of the French army started a reshuffle and for three days no one led the troops.

                You recall how things were with the rearrangements and executions of the Red Army generals in the first months of the war?

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                Raynaud wrote to Churchill: “The war is lost” on the fifth day of hostilities.

                This is also not true, firstly, I didn’t write, but I called, and secondly, he said

                “They beat us; we lost the battle. ”

                And this was true.
                How long did the battle of Dubno last? Day three? How did it end?
                Here is such a "real" story.
              4. Bakht Online
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 May 2020 18: 34
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                You have not read order 227? How many times did he ask and all without attention.

                After the loss of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, Donbass and other areas, we have become much less territory, therefore, there are much less people, bread, metal, factories, factories. We have lost more than 70 million people, more than 800 million pounds of bread per year and more than 10 million tons of metal per year. We now no longer have a predominance over the Germans either in human reserves or in stocks of bread.

                The Polish leadership escaped from Warsaw on the third day. There was no talk of any environment. The president fled the second day. Rydz-Smigly left the third capital and forgot the radio station and codes. So after September 3rd, there was no command of the troops. Same thing in France.
                Why did the USSR produce more weapons - tons of books were written. In the summer of 1942, the USSR did not have an advantage over Germany. How and why they won, I gave links. But you do not read them.
                The influence of the order on the mood and resistance of the troops is described by the front-line soldiers. Including in prose.

                This month was terrible,
                It was all at stake.
                Is it possible until autumn?
                There was already Don
                And at least wheels
                Did he escape to the Volga?


                Knowledge alone does not mean much. You can learn the names of the units and the dates of the battles. The morale and desire of Victory is a material factor.
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                About the breakdown in a week. I have written many times. Stalin knew that the Cross-Border Battle had already been lost on June 23 (if not the evening of the 22nd). And why he shot Pavlov and others - I also wrote. To do this, read Liddel-Garth.
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                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 May 2020 18: 47
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                ... Not an order of two hundred and twenty-seven was difficult, but it was hard that in July last year we lived to see such an order. The situation at the front was nowhere worse, and sometimes it seemed that there was no end to the retreat. Just shortly before this order, Sintsov saw with his own eyes all the measure of our helplessness, saw a hundred steps away from himself a marshal, front commander, who had arrived at the front line to restore order. He arrived on his "emka" in the thick of the retreat, walked between the runners, stopped them, hefty, brave and helpless. He will approach, persuade, people will stop, start digging holes in his eyes, and then he will go further - and again, everyone gradually begins to reach back ...

                And the order of two hundred and twenty-seven simply looked the truth in the eye. He brought nothing more than what they themselves saw. But he raised the question with an edge: to stop or die. If this goes on, Russia is gone!

                Strange thing, but when they read that cruel order, he, Sintsov, felt joy. He was happy when he listened about the detachments that would shoot the fleeing, although he knew well that this was directly related to him, that if he ran, he would be the first bullet in the forehead. And when he listened about the penal battalions, he was also glad that they would be, although he knew that it would be there to justify himself with torn buttonholes with blood if he retreated without an order and fell under the tribunal.

                They themselves felt the need to stop and put things in order. Therefore, they were ready to approve any drastic measures with their souls, even if on their own blood. "

                K. Simonov "Soldiers are not born"
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                And barrage detachments: we did not think about them. We knew that our losses were greater from panic than in battles. We were interested in detachments. Today, thinking of order 227, I understand the power of truth. When we were comfortingly lied to, we retreated and reached the Volga; when they told us the truth, we started to advance and reached Berlin. I hate the philosophy of cowards. It’s not cowards who win, but people who defeated fear in themselves.

                Grigory Chukhrai, Guard Senior Lieutenant, Company Commander
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                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 May 2020 19: 02
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                I do not like Beshanov. Too odious books. In fairness, it should be noted that he has a lot of factual material. But he deliberately misses some things. And for the mere title of his book, I cannot stand him. Another anti-adviser.
                In his book "1942 - educational" there is an opinion and by order of 227.

                This appeal to popular patriotism (it is noteworthy that Stalin spoke not about protecting socialist conquests, but about saving the Motherland), without embellishing bitter facts and empty promises, took effect.

                “The soldier’s psychology is very complicated, and nobody will ever get to the bottom of the true,” writes “Private Infantry” M. Abdulin. “According to our ... understanding, we could retreat until this order appeared.” It worked as a deliverance from insecurity, and we stopped. All stopped together. The soldier stopped, convinced that the neighbor had stopped. They all got to death, knowing that no one would rush to run. The order turned out to be a powerful weapon of the soldiers - psychological. Although it was awkward to be aware of the fact that behind me was a detachment. ”

                German generals say that since about August 10, enemy resistance has been strengthened in all sectors of the front.
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              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 May 2020 22: 43
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              Yes, I read. You seem to have a lyrical mindset, love prose, poetry. I am more prone to "physics", give me the numbers.
              For example, here.

              https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/public/ww2overview1998.pdf

              - On pages 30-31 are the figures for the production of major weapons by year. From them it is clear that for all types of the USSR and at 42 it produced more at times or an order of magnitude. And from entertaining numbers. There is a Submarines point; Germany produced 42 pieces in 244. It was mainly sevens, it weighs 750 tons. The main tank of the Wehrmacht T-4 weighs 25 tons, that is, instead of these boats, Germany could produce 42 tanks in 7320 years (this is about 2 times more than the invasion of the USSR on June 22 of the 41st, but there were mainly T-2 and T-3). And Germany produced tanks and self-propelled guns in the same 42 year, 6100 pieces. This would allow Germany to have at least 2, but rather 3 times more tank divisions.

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              The morale and desire of Victory is a material factor.

              Any material factor can be quantified. How much did the order raise the “spirit” and how to evaluate it?

              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) July 25, 2019 13:57 p.m.
              It was a miracle. Or almost a miracle.

              Previously claimed to be a miracle. Progress, however.

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              The Polish leadership escaped from Warsaw on the third day. There was no talk of any environment. The president fled the second day. Rydz-Smigly left the third capital and forgot the radio station and codes. So after September 3rd, there was no command of the troops. Same thing in France.

              Suppose you are right (although this is not so), and what follows from this?
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              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 May 2020 10: 50
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              And what conclusion do you draw from production numbers? With more machines, more skilled personnel, more resources, the German economy lost in production. And what is the conclusion?
              Tanks and planes alone do not fight. And they themselves do not leave the shops. The USSR had no advantage over Germany either in steelmaking or in the production of electricity. There was no advantage besides oil. Even before the start of the war.
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              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 21 May 2020 15: 06
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              And what conclusion do you draw from production numbers? With more machines, more skilled personnel, more resources, the German economy lost in production. And what is the conclusion?

              Well, firstly, that "the USSR fought with all of Europe" is somewhat exaggerated.
              Secondly, in 42, Germany also spent considerable resources on other theater of operations, except for the eastern front.
              Thirdly, Germany at 42 still relied on “blitzkrieg”, while for the USSR it was a “total” war since 41. For Germany, it became total from 43.
              Fourthly, the assertion that in 42 the war was lost was somewhat strained, since the resources of the USSR for the war allocated more to Germany.
              Fifth, I’m interested in hearing your explanations of how it happened that the whole of Europe is at war with the USSR, smelting more metal, having more machines, more qualified personnel, more resources, and economy. Germany could not produce more weapons than USSR alone? Where did they all go? Pots with stoves, did they produce?

              Quote: Bakht
              Tanks and planes alone do not fight. And they themselves do not leave the shops.

              Undoubtedly, they themselves are not fighting. And therefore it is doubly disappointing to hear the opinion that our ancestors, having more weapons and a larger army, were able to fight normally only after the shout of Comrade Stalin and the detachments in the rear.

              Quote: Bakht
              The USSR had no advantage over Germany either in steelmaking or in the production of electricity. In addition to oil, there was no advantage in anything. Even before the war

              At 39, the economic potential was comparable, at 41, no doubt, Germany had more.
              PS Do you ignore uncomfortable questions? So after all, who is to blame for the defeats of 42 years?
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    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 May 2020 16: 18
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    But order No. 227 could have acted if his spirit did not meet the inner spirit of our people. As the English historian Overy writes, “the influence of order number 227 is easy to exaggerate. It concerned primarily officers and political workers, and not ordinary soldiers, who always had to obey strict discipline. And the order concerned an unauthorized retreat, and not all types of retreat ... There was a feeling that a desperate situation required desperate measures. One of the soldiers later described his reaction to the order “Not a step back!” with these words: "Not the text itself, but the spirit of the order made a moral, psychological and spiritual breakthrough in the hearts and minds of those to whom this order was read."
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    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 May 2020 16: 20
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    And this is just information:

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/10/09/12014251.shtml
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    isofat (Sergei) 8 May 2020 01: 03
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    Dear Bakht, I completely agree with you!
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    Tatyana 7 May 2020 21: 22
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    The consequences of violation of this agreement of the Russian Federation are not difficult to predict.

    It is clear to the Russians, even without Russia breaking this treaty, that the political course of the US creature in the Czech Republic will not change on its own, but will only increase.

    Russia's inaction in this matter only incites enemy activity and aggressive impunity, which is clearly fraught with the approach of war between our countries.

    It must be understood that Russia lost the information war with the West. Russians have nowhere to hide their heads in the sand.
    Russia needs to accept the challenge of the aggressor and give the provocateurs an adequate rebuff.
    Russia simply has no other way if we want to survive.
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      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 May 2020 00: 44
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      Wah ... War with the Czech Republic? Do they have an army? Do you really believe in all that you wrote?
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        Artyom76 (Artyom Volkov) 8 May 2020 09: 38
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        YOU would not be dishonored by your cries !!! Or "yours" at you is who in a trench with these "Czechs" sat for Hitler ??? And keep your filthy thoughts to yourself.
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          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 May 2020 17: 53
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          What do you dislike about wah? Are you a nationalist? Will your filthy nationalist ideas defile the great celebration of the victory of the multinational people of the USSR over Nazi-Nazis?

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          keep your filthy thoughts to yourself.

          You indicate what to do, accordingly you know where to go.
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    steelmaker 7 May 2020 14: 14
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    And when in your comments Hitler is called a “great man”, you are exhausted and missed !! And why should the Foreign Ministry do differently? "An apple from an apple tree ..."
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    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 7 May 2020 16: 28
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    The act of the Czech villains should become an indicative flogging for all of them. These bastards deserve a break in diplomatic relations. With the freezing of all economic ties. For an indefinite period.
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    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 7 May 2020 16: 44
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    These pathological underpants

    It seems to me, or is the respected Neukropny trying to say that the Czechs are some kind of wrong people?
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 7 May 2020 17: 51
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    Again, someone waves his fists after a fight ....
    Previously, they did not attend to the treaties on the protection of monuments, specifically now they could not agree on what?
    This is not the first time that pops up (with the Poles, for example), maybe the bureaucrats attended to them in advance? Has anyone been punished? Something is not heard.

    Some of the monuments, memorials, cemeteries are protected by the laws of the USSR. Somewhere they made a fuss, new laws were adopted on protection, but this was rarely written.
    And the rest? It is not audible that the Defense Ministry or the Chinushi negotiate about this.

    A boycott is bullshit. In our rural shops there is nothing from the Czech Republic. And the Moscow elite will not care about all these ideas. It is she who drinks Czech, Bavarian and others .... despite all sorts of "sanctions."

    So wisely, do not write articles, what all the bastards are there, let's not buy Skodes ...
    And reap, reap, conclude agreements on the line of the Ministry of Defense, on diplomatic lines on monuments, museums, memorials ...

    Goblin had a program the other day. "... about the amazing story of the" Raseiniai tank "." Nothing, enthusiasts go to the Baltic states. And the locals help them. And museums. And agree.
    But the bureaucrats for 30 years there can’t agree on pensioners of the USSR. Although leverage is the sea ...
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    Egor 7b7 7 May 2020 18: 22
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    RUSSIA will tolerate all this as long as inhumans are in power, completely lying under the Americans. As long as the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is controlled by the Rothschilds and other evil spirits from the Fed. Until the "chicks" of Soros, who run the largest and richest bank in Russia, spread rot to our children, introducing an absolutely hostile education system aimed at completely dulling the people. And as long as the godfather from the cooperative "Lake" is in power, which provides enrichment to its billionaire sidekicks and spits on laws, the guarantee of which is. All this bacchanalia will end with the advent of the new Stalin. It would be a shame for the Power.
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    RFR (RFR) 7 May 2020 23: 53
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    Don’t make people laugh. The authorities are not going to punish anyone, because these are their “partners”, all of them either have families or children live and study abroad, moreover, in NATO countries, i.e. our immediate opponents, their values-this is Yeltsin, that’s it.
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      Smirnoff (Victor) 12 May 2020 09: 29
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      Russia has its own historical values. We are Proud of them! Smashed and will always smash the enemy. This is our historical role.
      Glory to Russia the winner !!! Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!
  • Valery Vasilievich Pyatachenko (Valery Pyatachenko) 11 May 2020 06: 29
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    Russia must admit the obvious - the vast majority of European Union countries are responsible for the deaths and suffering of our people, for our burnt cities and villages, for the blood and torment of our fallen soldiers and victims of the occupation.
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      Smirnoff (Victor) 12 May 2020 09: 31
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      Russia must admit ???

      We have long recognized and are seeing the enemy, but the time will come - and we will DESTROY! DOES NOT LOAD FOR US! We will certainly defeat and free the World from American democratic terrorist tyranny.
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    Smirnoff (Victor) 12 May 2020 09: 27
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    How long will Russia endure this ???

    God tolerated and we LOVED. Not long left. It is necessary to be patient. Patience and labor, all American ominous provocations will be POWDERED and dusted.
    Victory will be for Russia.
    The American Democratic Enemy will be BROKEN!
    I act as a guarantor! The time will come and you will know everything.