“Not effective in defense”: Syria changes “Shell-S” to old air defense systems

5 May 2020 54

Media war between China and Russia on the effectiveness of their air defense systems continues. It is reported by the Arab online edition of Defense Arabic.

Chinese media claim that the Syrian Arab army abandoned the Russian Panzir-C1 self-propelled anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems because of their “inefficiency in defense” against Israeli raids. Now the SAA is replacing the mentioned air defense systems with other air defense systems to counter Israel. It is clarified that in addition to the transition to Chinese radars, SAA began to use the older Buk-M2E systems.

Due to the unsatisfactory combat characteristics of the Shell-C1 system, the Syrian air defense forces switched to Buk-M2E air defense systems. They were more suited to intercept Israeli missiles

- leads the Chinese edition of the word an unnamed source in the CAA.

And although the Chinese media criticize the Shell-C1, it should be noted that the Buk-2ME is also a Russian-made air defense system, the publication said. Indeed, CAA began to use Buk-M2E more often than usual. These are the statistics of recent Israeli air raids.

But even with the help of Buk-M2E, the SAA managed to shoot down only two-thirds of Israeli missiles, which is already not bad. However, Syria is still not able to repulse the attack completely. At the same time, a source of air defense troops in western Damascus said that they did not plan to abandon the Russian "Shell-C1", despite criticism. The Russian "Shell-C1" has already proved its effectiveness in Libya, when the Libyan national army shot down several Turkish drones.

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123

+5

5 May 2020 12: 38

Each sandpiper praises its swamp. In the most remote village, a Chinese peasant must know that Chinese weapons are the best. Assad won thanks to Chinese radars.
But such nuances as the Bukov’s twice-large defeat zone are of no interest to anyone, nor is the fact that stupid Israeli pilots are not going to approach them 40 kilometers, however, as they did not approach the Shell 20.
1. Ivan Ivanov_3
  
  +2
  
  6 May 2020 12: 49
  
  Well, why deny the truth that the Syrians themselves are writing? I also want to believe that the Shell is the best. Look in YouTube how he frantically fired back to the last rocket when an Israeli attacked him. There is a live video.
  1. 123
    
    +3
    
    6 May 2020 16: 59
    
    Well, why deny the truth that the Syrians themselves are writing?
    
    Sorry for the curiosity, but what kind of truth did I deny? Where and what did the Syrians write?
    
    I also want to believe that the Shell is the best.
    
    I want to believe in common sense. There is no perfect weapon. First, they need to be able to use it. Secondly, it must be used for its intended purpose and take into account the characteristics. Until there is an integrated air defense system, the result will not change.
    
    Look in YouTube how he frantically fired back to the last rocket when an Israeli attacked him. There is a live video.
    
    What kind of video do you mean is also not entirely clear.
  2. Winnie
    
    -3
    
    9 May 2020 22: 40
    
    I also want to believe that the Shell is the best.
    
    The Russian agitprom is actively engaged in this.
    
    Look in YouTube how he frantically fired back to the last rocket when an Israeli attacked him.
    
    Sources in the Syrian army report that during the shelling of Turkish SAA positions in Idlib, Russian Pantsir-S air defense missile systems did not shoot down a single missile fired by MLRS. Air defense systems are located in the front area to repel possible drone attacks, however, for unknown reasons, the systems could not detect and hit a single missile.
    According to the same Syrian source, in the past 72 hours alone, terrorists and the Turkish army have fired at the positions of the Syrian government forces several times, firing a total of more than a hundred rockets, which even allowed the militants to break through the defense line. Nevertheless, the work of the air defense systems was never recorded, which raises a lot of questions as to whether the Pantsir-S air defense missile systems really are as effective as in repelling terrorist attacks on the Khmeimim airbase.
    
    It's enough? Or more?
    1. Winnie
      
      -3
      
      9 May 2020 22: 50
      
      It's enough? Or more?
      
      It became known about the extremely low effectiveness of the Russian Pantsir-S air defense missile systems.
      Israel decided to disclose information about the extremely low efficiency of Russian air defense systems transferred to Syria. So, according to the NZIV publication, Russian air defense systems spend an average of 8-9 missiles per F-16 fighter fired to destroy Israeli anti-radar missiles, in fact, firing at random.
      1. Winnie
        
        -4
        
        9 May 2020 22: 53
        
        It's enough? Or more?
  3. Peter Rusin
    
    0
    
    18 May 2020 15: 24
    
    Any weapon still needs to be able to fight! Availability itself is not a guarantee!
Alexei Ushakov

+7

5 May 2020 12: 42

Oh my God! In the same Chinese "magazines" they immediately write why the RF air defense is the best in the world. They then write an article that they can block the South China Sea, put a gate there and let only those they like to pass.) (Apparently, the success of the Ukrainians is haunted). The captain of the 3rd rank is issued as an expert in the Navy, and then it turns out that he was not on the ship either! Unfortunately, there are very, very few sites that adhere to some kind of analysis or data validation. The main thing in the media world is "hype".
Natan bruk

-6

5 May 2020 13: 46

“Two-thirds of the missiles” were shot down exclusively by Syrian propaganda. There should already be enough of these “shot down” missiles for the railway train, but no one has shown anything yet. Well, at least some debris. But no, they are secret!
1. Alexei Ushakov
  
  +4
  
  5 May 2020 14: 13
  
  Here are those times, but those "dvs"))) In the internet there are a lot of photos of a fragment of missiles. Or what, not at all "mogem" in Google search?)
  1. Natan bruk
    
    -9
    
    5 May 2020 14: 22
    
    Not one confirmed that these are fragments of Israeli rockets. If Assad would have made a magnificent presentation. I’ll tell you a secret - cheats are “lost”, missiles, as a rule, hit all their targets.
    1. Binder
      
      -5
      
      5 May 2020 16: 57
      
      Why are you so cruelly destroying the illusions of Assad's friends? Not good...
    2. Egor 7b7
      
      +5
      
      5 May 2020 18: 45
      
      Yes Yes. We remember how in the distant August 1970, Soviet air defense systems S-125 shot down 6 "bogus" over the Sinai. And in total, from July 20, 1969 to early August 1970, 94 Israeli aircraft were shot down, oh, excuse me, of course "tricks", in other words, almost half of the Israeli fleet of military vehicles was destroyed in a year.
      1. Binder
        
        -6
        
        5 May 2020 22: 19
        
        Something with my memory has become ... (c) For the entire time of the "War of Attrition" (July 1, 1967 - August 7, 1970), the Israeli Air Force lost 4 aircraft on the Egyptian front in air battles and 13 as a result of air defense operations, while Israeli pilots shot down 113 Egyptian aircraft and 25 were destroyed by air defense systems. In addition, in that war on July 30, 1970, in an air battle between Soviet and Israeli pilots, the Israelis shot down 5 Soviet MiG-21s without suffering losses. In total, about 40 Soviet soldiers were killed during the war. And here you are telling tales ...
        
        isofat
        
        +2
        
        6 May 2020 00: 46
        
        BinderIn addition, on April 8, 1970, Israeli aircraft bombed a school in the village of Bahr al-Bakr, 46 children were killed. How many children did you kill in a protracted war? Boast about your exploits.
        
        PS Only in the "week of the plane crash" Israel lost 10 cars. Or I'm wrong?
        
        Binder
        
        -4
        
        6 May 2020 03: 58
        
        10 out of 13 aircraft shot down by air defense were actually shot down that week. That's just that week was one such, and therefore got its name.
        I am interested to ask - how many Syrian children were killed as a result of the actions of the air forces in Syria?
        
        isofat
        
        +3
        
        6 May 2020 11: 08
        
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        I am interested to ask - how many Syrian children were killed as a result of the actions of the air forces in Syria?
        
        Bindyuzhnik, you are fighting against Syria, you have to answer this question. You "modestly" kept silent about Egypt ... how many children were killed in Syria?
        But he was once a Soviet Jew, now you justify aggression and the killing of children. Jew, who have you turned into?
        PS
        
        By the beginning of August 1970, 94 Israeli aircraft were shot down - according to Egyptian data.
        According to Israeli data: 17 aircraft (4 in air battles, 13 - shot down air defense)
        
        Binder
        
        -1
        
        6 May 2020 16: 38
        
        We do not fight against Syria; there, the valiant rabbinical ichthamnets kill civilians.
        
        Jacques
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 16: 53
        
        But he was once a Soviet Jew, now you justify aggression and the killing of children. Jew, who have you turned into?
        
        Do you even know what it was like to be a Soviet Jew in the USSR?
        Would be silent better!
        
        isofat
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 17: 36
        
        Quote: jacques
        Do you even know what it was like to be a Soviet Jew in the USSR?
        
        Jacqueswhich one?
        
        Jacques
        
        -2
        
        6 May 2020 17: 44
        
        Poorly. Very bad. Do not envy!
        
        isofat
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 18: 33
        
        Jacques, you do not understand me.
        
        PS The form (what) is used as a part of interjective stable combinations: what the hell / devil /rozna you need?
        
        Jacques
        
        -3
        
        6 May 2020 18: 47
        
        Well, you're asking, "Jew, who have you become?"
        And I wanted to answer you that after the USSR, changes can only be for the better)))
        
        isofat
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 18: 54
        
        Quote: jacques
        Well, you are asking "Jew, who have you become?"
        
        JacquesI’m not asking you. So or not?
        
        Jacques
        
        -2
        
        6 May 2020 19: 14
        
        No one asked you to ask, but you asked. You did not ask me to answer, but I answered. This is what freedom of speech means. Note, you are not required to answer me)))
        
        isofat
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 19: 22
        
        - Mom, buy a dog!
        - No!
        - Mom, look how beautiful she is, kind, well, buy-and-and!
        - Izzy, leave me alone, sell your dog to someone else!
        
        Jacques
        
        -2
        
        6 May 2020 19: 59
        
        Oh, what are you ... the whole world knows what they are ... cunning, cowardly, they beat around the corner, and as soon as they get through the brains, they immediately begin to howl ... as your friend wrote here ... as he said another and in another place; smacks of anti-Semitism.)))
        
        Winnie
        
        -2
        
        9 May 2020 23: 11
        
        I am interested to ask - how many Syrian children were killed as a result of the actions of the air forces in Syria?
        
        Named the number of civilians killed by Russian and Syrian bombs
        14:17, July 26, 2019 World
        Air strikes by Syrian aviation and its allies have killed at least 10 civilians in the past 103 days, 26 of them minors, said UN Human Rights Commissioner Michelle Bachelet. Reported by Reuters.
        According to her, the pro-government forces specifically targeted civilian objects such as schools, hospitals, markets and bakeries. “Judging by the constant nature of such attacks, all this is hardly done by chance,” the agency quotes her words.
        
        According to the British project “Syrian Observatory for Human Rights” (SOHR) on July 31, 2019, more than 8 thousand civilians died as a result of Russian bombing. According to representatives of the international non-governmental organization Amnesty International, for three months (from December 2015 to February 2016), Russian air forces and Syrian government forces at least six times “targeted” hospitals, medical centers and clinics in the north of the rural part of Aleppo province, resulting in the deaths of at least three civilians. In addition, in December 2015, they announced evidence to suspect Russian aviation of using unguided bombs in densely populated areas, as well as using cluster bombs.
        
        isofat
        
        +1
        
        9 May 2020 23: 57
        
        WinnieWell ...? Is there no indignation from your words? Dare!
        PS I haven’t gone to bed yet.
        
        Egor 7b7
        
        +3
        
        6 May 2020 10: 16
        
        Tales are told by you, dear, but the facts speak completely differently. Yes, indeed, at the official level, the USSR did not recognize the presence of its troops in Egypt and Minister of Defense Grechko declared to military pilots: “Keep in mind, comrades, if you are shot down behind the Suez Canal and you are captured, we don’t know you, get out yourself ". Nevertheless, the actions of the Soviet air defense forces to smithereens carried the myths about the invincibility of the American" Phantoms ". It was after the successful actions of the Soviet air defense, Israel howled about a truce. Learn history and mate. part, dear.
        
        Natan bruk
        
        -1
        
        6 May 2020 10: 46
        
        How how? In 1973, Israel "howled for a truce"? You definitely live in parallel reality. The 1973 war ended in the shameful defeat of the Arab coalition under the wise leadership of the "great and mighty". Israeli troops were already 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus. And it was then that your Arab friendships howled loudly about a truce. So, dear, do not flaunt your ignorance.
        
        Binder
        
        +2
        
        6 May 2020 16: 33
        
        All that remains for you is to lie and slander, this is a long-standing Bolshevik tradition ...
        
        Egor 7b7
        
        +1
        
        6 May 2020 19: 23
        
        It was August 7, 1970. I repeat, learn materiel, dear.
        
        On August 3, the Israeli Air Force lost 4 Phantoms and 1 Mirage from air defense systems. The War of Attrition was increasingly justifying its name for both sides. On August 7, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan signed a ceasefire.
        
        The data on the losses of the parties are extremely contradictory, since both Arabs and Israelis lie completely limitlessly, while, unlike others (for example, from Americans), even after a considerable time they never admit their lies and do not disclose their real losses.
        
        Israel lost 1,4 thousand people during the War of Attrition killed and up to 100 aircraft. Egypt’s losses in people cannot be determined, up to 150 aircraft were lost (only MiG-21 - 68), of which Israel’s ground air defense was shot down to 25, and the rest in air battles. Almost all the losses of the Israeli Air Force, on the contrary, are attributable to air defense systems and anti-aircraft artillery.
        
        Eventually. Who now owns the Sinai Peninsula?
        
        isofat
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 19: 37
        
        Egor 7b7, since you started arguing with the Jews, it will be useful for you to inquire what the Jewish loaf is. Google it.
        
        Egor 7b7
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 20: 16
        
        Probably still hutspa. This is a kind of Jewish pride, elevated to the rank of arrogance. About arguing with the Jews? Come on, I am well aware that this is a useless thing, you can never prove anything to them, they are God's chosen ones, and we are goyim.
        
        isofat
        
        +1
        
        6 May 2020 20: 23
        
        Egor 7b7, thank! I remember that arrogance was elevated to the rank of virtues, and the term itself ... Again confused. excuse me
      2. Natan bruk
        
        -5
        
        6 May 2020 00: 09
        
        In the 70th? It’s only in your inflamed brain. But what is a fact - in 1973, the shameful defeat of the five united Arab armies took place with the full and full support of the great and mighty, who himself participated in this war a lot. No wonder the Air Force Commander of the USSR after the first battles forbade Soviet pilots to engage in battle with the Israeli.
        
        Usher
        
        0
        
        6 May 2020 09: 47
        
        Quote: Natan Bruk
        In the 70th? It’s only in your inflamed brain. But what is a fact - in 1973, the shameful defeat of the five united Arab armies took place with the full and full support of the great and mighty, who himself participated in this war a lot. No wonder the Air Force Commander of the USSR after the first battles forbade Soviet pilots to engage in battle with the Israeli.
        
        You can prove your so-called words?
        
        Natan bruk
        
        -4
        
        6 May 2020 10: 47
        
        Want proofs? Okay, I'll come home from work, ladies. From a smartphone, this is problematic.
        
        Jacques
        
        +1
        
        6 May 2020 17: 01
        
        On August 1, 1970, Air Force Commander of the USSR Marshal Pavel Kutakhov flew to Cairo. On August 2, he ordered the termination of MiG flights in the Suez Canal zone until all circumstances of the death of three Soviet pilots were clarified [63]. The leadership of the USSR notified the Egyptian side that it could no longer render assistance to the Egyptian government in ensuring the inviolability of Egyptian air borders ...
        
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0
      3. Winnie
        
        -4
        
        9 May 2020 23: 03
        
        In total, 20 Israeli aircraft were shot down from July 1969, 1970 to the beginning of August 94.
        
        Cheap fake Russian agitation industry.
    3. sgrabik
      
      +1
      
      6 May 2020 10: 06
      
      Do not distort the information too crudely and wishful thinking. I don’t know how it is about two-thirds, but half of the launched missiles are absolutely destroyed on a course approaching the target. But here we must also take into account the human factor. If the calculations of the air defense systems were manned by Russian experts, the missiles would be shot down much more, and all this somehow resembles a monkey, which was entrusted with a combat grenade and tried to teach how to use it correctly. But she, as expected, did not understand anything. The grenade in this case has nothing to do with it !!!
Diver d

-5

5 May 2020 18: 11

On February 22, 2018, Israeli air defense was shocked. Two swarm of drones of several thousand units landed at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria. The thing is that no country in the world has possessed such technologies. And it became clear that these technologies belong to the Russian aerospace forces. Immediately, intelligence and space surveillance of the air base was urgently raised. Records from the radars clearly showed that the swarm of drones was moving in a very consistent and orderly manner, which caused even greater panic. In Israel, like no other, the consequences of the combat use of a swarm of drones were clear. Enormous forces and resources were urgently raised to their feet ... And only after a few hours of hard work, Israel breathed a sigh of relief. It turned out that it was two SU-57s landing on the airfield, sparkling on radars with their brand new rivets)))
1. meandr51
  
  +3
  
  5 May 2020 20: 54
  
  Self-isolation is not for everyone's benefit ...
2. Natan bruk
  
  -1
  
  6 May 2020 00: 10
  
  Beautiful fable :)))
meandr51

+3

5 May 2020 20: 52

For the Syrians, it’s better that simpler. They will not grow to integrated systems soon. There is nothing for them to post their elements.
shinobi

+3

6 May 2020 08: 20

The Israelis are trying not to come close to the air defense coverage areas. And they shot a neighbor from the corner from the corner of the window, nnuuu very heroic. But, as soon as he flies back in the slightest bit, they immediately scream to the whole world and run to bow to Uncle Sam. Warriors!
Usher

+1

6 May 2020 09: 45

Bukies cannot intercept tactical missiles launched from aircraft, much less free-fall bombs.
1. Kristallovich
  
  -1
  
  6 May 2020 12: 02
  
  The Buk works without problems on tactical air-based missiles.
2. sgrabik
  
  0
  
  6 May 2020 12: 57
  
  Usher (Erdem) Who told you such ridiculous nonsense ???
rotfuks

0

6 May 2020 13: 28

Against Israeli raids, it is generally necessary to create special air defense systems. Israeli aviation uses missiles and gliding bombs, not flying into Syria, but uses the territory of neighboring Lebanon. It’s about like a neighbor in the country throwing stones at the windows from the territory of the neighboring country house. One thing pleases, because you can’t hear the loud statements of the Israelis that they are not afraid of the S-300 and will crush all of them.
Dzafdet

+2

8 May 2020 21: 17

Quote: Natan Bruk
How how? In 1973, Israel "howled for a truce"? You definitely live in parallel reality. The 1973 war ended in the shameful defeat of the Arab coalition under the wise leadership of the "great and mighty". Israeli troops were already 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus. And it was then that your Arab friendships howled loudly about a truce. So, dear, do not flaunt your ignorance.

The great and powerful threatened to use nuclear weapons. And then enlightenment came in the Jewish brains ... And now a couple of strikes on Israeli airfields of 100 kilotons would also help the train of thought in the right direction ...
Kondrat

0

15 May 2020 15: 43

... and at the very end of the list of used air defense systems there is a tried and tested hand-held throwing PROSCHA! Although, believe the Chinese and Indian at the same time, the media, it’s in the latrine of the soul to take its contents !!! These are still traders - they’ll write such a thing in the fervor that they don’t believe the eyes themselves - they say they hacked us and made slander. There is no mind, but it seems very smart to seem smart !!
Kondrat

0

15 May 2020 23: 01

... BEECH is the limit of the intellectual capabilities of the Syrian, frightened air defense workers. Well, still in the future, there is a sling manual, throwing, but already with charges from a dried camel dung. In general, listening to the blasphemy of the Chinese media that washing the contents of latrines is a stink, nonsense and extremely negative memories.