“Not effective in defense”: Syria changes “Shell-S” to old air defense systems


Media war between China and Russia on the effectiveness of their air defense systems continues. It is reported by the Arab online edition of Defense Arabic.


Chinese media claim that the Syrian Arab army abandoned the Russian Panzir-C1 self-propelled anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems because of their “inefficiency in defense” against Israeli raids. Now the SAA is replacing the mentioned air defense systems with other air defense systems to counter Israel. It is clarified that in addition to the transition to Chinese radars, SAA began to use the older Buk-M2E systems.

Due to the unsatisfactory combat characteristics of the Shell-C1 system, the Syrian air defense forces switched to Buk-M2E air defense systems. They were more suited to intercept Israeli missiles

- leads the Chinese edition of the word an unnamed source in the CAA.

And although the Chinese media criticize the Shell-C1, it should be noted that the Buk-2ME is also a Russian-made air defense system, the publication said. Indeed, CAA began to use Buk-M2E more often than usual. These are the statistics of recent Israeli air raids.

But even with the help of Buk-M2E, the SAA managed to shoot down only two-thirds of Israeli missiles, which is already not bad. However, Syria is still not able to repulse the attack completely. At the same time, a source of air defense troops in western Damascus said that they did not plan to abandon the Russian "Shell-C1", despite criticism. The Russian "Shell-C1" has already proved its effectiveness in Libya, when the Libyan national army shot down several Turkish drones.
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  1. 123 Online
    123 (123) 5 May 2020 12: 38
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    Each sandpiper praises its swamp. In the most remote village, a Chinese peasant must know that Chinese weapons are the best. Assad won thanks to Chinese radars.
    But such nuances as the Bukov’s twice-large defeat zone are of no interest to anyone, nor is the fact that stupid Israeli pilots are not going to approach them 40 kilometers, however, as they did not approach the Shell 20.
    1. Ivan Ivanov_3 Offline
      Ivan Ivanov_3 (Ivan Ivanov) 6 May 2020 12: 49
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      Well, why deny the truth that the Syrians themselves are writing? I also want to believe that the Shell is the best. Look in YouTube how he frantically fired back to the last rocket when an Israeli attacked him. There is a live video.
      1. 123 Online
        123 (123) 6 May 2020 16: 59
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        Well, why deny the truth that the Syrians themselves are writing?

        Sorry for the curiosity, but what kind of truth did I deny? Where and what did the Syrians write?

        I also want to believe that the Shell is the best.

        I want to believe in common sense. There is no perfect weapon. First, they need to be able to use it. Secondly, it must be used for its intended purpose and take into account the characteristics. Until there is an integrated air defense system, the result will not change.

        Look in YouTube how he frantically fired back to the last rocket when an Israeli attacked him. There is a live video.

        What kind of video do you mean is also not entirely clear. hi
      2. Winnie Offline
        Winnie (Winnie) 9 May 2020 22: 40
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        I also want to believe that the Shell is the best.

        The Russian agitprom is actively engaged in this.

        Look in YouTube how he frantically fired back to the last rocket when an Israeli attacked him.

        Sources in the Syrian army report that during the shelling of Turkish SAA positions in Idlib, Russian Pantsir-S air defense missile systems did not shoot down a single missile fired by MLRS. Air defense systems are located in the front area to repel possible drone attacks, however, for unknown reasons, the systems could not detect and hit a single missile.
        According to the same Syrian source, only in the past 72 hours, terrorists and the Turkish army have fired at the positions of the Syrian government forces several times, firing a total of more than a hundred rockets, which even allowed the militants to break through the defense line. Nevertheless, the operation of air defense systems was never fixed, which raises a lot of questions as to whether the Pantsir-S air defense missile systems really have the same efficiency as when repelling terrorist attacks on the Khmeimim airbase.

        It's enough? Or more?
        1. Winnie Offline
          Winnie (Winnie) 9 May 2020 22: 50
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          It's enough? Or more?

          It became known about the extremely low effectiveness of the Russian Pantsir-S air defense missile systems.
          Israel decided to disclose information about the extremely low efficiency of Russian air defense systems transferred to Syria. So, according to the NZIV publication, Russian air defense systems spend an average of 8-9 missiles per F-16 fighter fired to destroy Israeli anti-radar missiles, in fact, firing at random.
          1. Winnie Offline
            Winnie (Winnie) 9 May 2020 22: 53
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            It's enough? Or more?
      3. Peter Rusin Offline
        Peter Rusin (Peter Rusin) 18 May 2020 15: 24
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        Any weapon still needs to be able to fight! Availability itself is not a guarantee!
  2. Alexei Ushakov Offline
    Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 5 May 2020 12: 42
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    Oh my god! The same Chinese "magazines" immediately write why the Russian air defense is the best in the world. They then write an article that they can block the South China Sea, put the gates there and let in only those who they like). (Apparently, the success of Ukrainians haunts). They give the captain 3 ranks for an expert in the Navy, and then it turns out that he was not on the ship either! Unfortunately, there are very, very few sites that adhere to some kind of analysis or data verification. The main thing in the media world has become "hype".
  3. Natan bruk Offline
    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 5 May 2020 13: 46
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    "Two-thirds of the missiles" shot down exclusively by the Syrian propaganda prop. There already should be enough of these "shot down" missiles for the train, but no one has shown anything yet. Well, at least some debris. But no, they are secret!
    1. Alexei Ushakov Offline
      Alexei Ushakov (Alexey Ushakov) 5 May 2020 14: 13
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      Here are those times, but those are the "dvas"))) On the Internet, a bunch of photos of a rocket chip. Or what, by no means a "search" in Google?)
      1. Natan bruk Offline
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 5 May 2020 14: 22
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        Not one confirmed that these are fragments of Israeli rockets. If Assad would have made a magnificent presentation. I’ll tell you a secret - cheats are “lost”, missiles, as a rule, hit all their targets.
        1. Binder Offline
          Binder (Miron) 5 May 2020 16: 57
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          Why are you so cruelly destroying the illusions of Assad's friends? Not good... wassat
        2. Egor 7b7 Offline
          Egor 7b7 5 May 2020 18: 45
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          Yes Yes. We remember how far back in August 1970, the Soviet S-125 air defense systems shot down 6 "tricks" over the Sinai. A total of 20 Israeli aircraft were shot down from July 1969, 1970 to the beginning of August 94, oh, I'm sorry, of course, a "trick", in other words, almost half of the Israeli fleet of military vehicles was destroyed in a year.
          1. Binder Offline
            Binder (Miron) 5 May 2020 22: 19
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            Something with my memory became ... (c) For the entire time of the "War of Attrition" (July 1, 1967 - August 7, 1970), the Israeli Air Force lost 4 vehicles on the Egyptian front in air battles and 13 as a result of air defense operations, while Israeli pilots shot down 113 Egyptian aircraft and 25 were destroyed by air defense systems. In addition, in that war on July 30, 1970, in an air battle between Soviet and Israeli pilots, the Israelis shot down 5 Soviet MiG-21s without incurring casualties. In total, about 40 Soviet troops were killed during the war. And here you are telling tales ...
            1. isofat Offline
              isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 00: 46
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              BinderIn addition, on April 8, 1970, Israeli aircraft bombed a school in the village of Bahr al-Bakr, 46 children were killed. How many children did you kill in a protracted war? Boast about your exploits.

              PS In the "airplane crash week" alone, Israel lost 10 cars. Or I'm wrong?
              1. Binder Offline
                Binder (Miron) 6 May 2020 03: 58
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                10 out of 13 aircraft shot down by air defense were actually shot down that week. That's just that week was one such, and therefore got its name.
                I am interested to ask - how many Syrian children were killed as a result of the actions of the air forces in Syria?
                1. isofat Offline
                  isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 11: 08
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                  Quote: Bindyuzhnik
                  I am interested to ask - how many Syrian children were killed as a result of the actions of the air forces in Syria?

                  Bindyuzhnik, you are fighting against Syria, and you answer this question. About Egypt, you "modestly" said nothing ... how many children were killed in Syria?
                  But he was once a Soviet Jew, now you justify aggression and the killing of children. Jew, who have you turned into?
                  PS

                  By the beginning of August 1970, 94 Israeli aircraft were shot down - according to Egyptian data.
                  According to Israeli data: 17 aircraft (4 in air battles, 13 - shot down air defense)
                  1. Binder Offline
                    Binder (Miron) 6 May 2020 16: 38
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                    We do not fight against Syria; there, the valiant rabbinical ichthamnets kill civilians.
                  2. Jacques Offline
                    Jacques (jacques) 6 May 2020 16: 53
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                    But he was once a Soviet Jew, now you justify aggression and the killing of children. Jew, who have you turned into?

                    Do you even know what it was like to be a Soviet Jew in the USSR?
                    Would be silent better!
                    1. isofat Offline
                      isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 17: 36
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                      Quote: jacques
                      Do you even know what it was like to be a Soviet Jew in the USSR?

                      Jacqueswhich one?
                      1. Jacques Offline
                        Jacques (jacques) 6 May 2020 17: 44
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                        Poorly. Very bad. Do not envy!
                      2. isofat Offline
                        isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 18: 33
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                        Jacques, you do not understand me. smile

                        PS The form (what) is used as a part of interjective stable combinations: what the hell / devil /rozna you need?
                      3. Jacques Offline
                        Jacques (jacques) 6 May 2020 18: 47
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                        Well, you are asking, "Jew, who have you become?"
                        And I wanted to answer you that after the USSR, changes can only be for the better)))
                      4. isofat Offline
                        isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 18: 54
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                        Quote: jacques
                        Well, you're asking, "Jew, who have you turned into?"

                        JacquesI’m not asking you. So or not?
                      5. Jacques Offline
                        Jacques (jacques) 6 May 2020 19: 14
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                        No one asked you to ask, but you asked. You did not ask me to answer, but I answered. This is what freedom of speech means. Note, you are not required to answer me)))
                      6. isofat Offline
                        isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 19: 22
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                        - Mom, buy a dog!
                        - No!
                        - Mom, look how beautiful she is, kind, well, buy-and-and!
                        - Izzy, leave me alone, sell your dog to someone else!
                      7. Jacques Offline
                        Jacques (jacques) 6 May 2020 19: 59
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                        Oh, what are you ... the whole world knows what they are ... cunning, cowardly, they beat around the corner, and as soon as they get through the brains, they immediately begin to howl ... as your friend wrote here ... as he said another and in another place; smacks of anti-Semitism.)))
    2. Winnie Offline
      Winnie (Winnie) 9 May 2020 23: 11
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      I am interested to ask - how many Syrian children were killed as a result of the actions of the air forces in Syria?

      Named the number of civilians killed by Russian and Syrian bombs
      14:17, July 26, 2019 World
      As a result, Syrian air strikes and its allies over the past 10 days killed at least 103 civilians, of whom 26 were underage, said UN Human Rights Commissioner Michelle Bachelet. Reported by Reuters.
      According to her, the pro-government forces specifically targeted civilian objects such as schools, hospitals, markets and bakeries. “Judging by the constant nature of such attacks, all this is hardly done by chance,” the agency quotes her words.

      According to the British project “Syrian Observatory for Human Rights” (SOHR) on July 31, 2019, more than 8 thousand civilians died as a result of Russian bombing. According to representatives of the international non-governmental organization Amnesty International, for three months (from December 2015 to February 2016), Russian air forces and Syrian government forces at least six times “targeted” hospitals, medical centers and clinics in the north of the rural part of Aleppo province, resulting in the deaths of at least three civilians. In addition, in December 2015, they announced evidence to suspect Russian aviation of using unguided bombs in densely populated areas, as well as using cluster bombs.
      1. isofat Offline
        isofat (Sergei) 9 May 2020 23: 57
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        WinnieWell ...? Is there no indignation from your words? Dare!
        PS I haven’t gone to bed yet. smile
  • Egor 7b7 Offline
    Egor 7b7 6 May 2020 10: 16
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    Tales are told by you, dear, but the facts speak completely differently. Yes, indeed, at the official level, the USSR did not recognize the presence of its troops in Egypt and Minister of Defense Grechko declared to military pilots: “Keep in mind, comrades, if you are shot down behind the Suez Canal and you are captured, we don’t know you, get out yourself ". Nevertheless, the actions of the Soviet air defense forces to smithereens carried the myths about the invincibility of the American" Phantoms ". It was after the successful actions of the Soviet air defense, Israel howled about a truce. Learn history and mate. part, dear.
    1. Natan bruk Offline
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 6 May 2020 10: 46
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      How how? In 1973, Israel "howled for a truce"? You definitely live in parallel reality. The 1973 war ended in the shameful defeat of the Arab coalition under the wise leadership of the "great and mighty". Israeli troops were already 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus. And it was then that your Arab friendships howled loudly about a truce. So, dear, do not flaunt your ignorance.
    2. Binder Offline
      Binder (Miron) 6 May 2020 16: 33
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      All that remains for you is to lie and slander, this is a long-standing Bolshevik tradition ...
    3. Egor 7b7 Offline
      Egor 7b7 6 May 2020 19: 23
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      It was August 7, 1970. I repeat, learn materiel, dear.

      On August 3, the Israeli Air Force lost 4 Phantoms and 1 Mirage from air defense systems. The War of Attrition was increasingly justifying its name for both sides. On August 7, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan signed a ceasefire.

      The data on the losses of the parties are extremely contradictory, since both Arabs and Israelis lie completely limitlessly, while, unlike others (for example, from Americans), even after a considerable time they never admit their lies and do not disclose their real losses.

      Israel lost 1,4 thousand people during the War of Attrition killed and up to 100 aircraft. Egypt’s losses in people cannot be determined, up to 150 aircraft were lost (only MiG-21 - 68), of which Israel’s ground air defense was shot down to 25, and the rest in air battles. Almost all the losses of the Israeli Air Force, on the contrary, are attributable to air defense systems and anti-aircraft artillery.

      Eventually. Who now owns the Sinai Peninsula?
      1. isofat Offline
        isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 19: 37
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        Egor 7b7, since you started arguing with the Jews, it will be useful for you to inquire what the Jewish loaf is. Google it.
        1. Egor 7b7 Offline
          Egor 7b7 6 May 2020 20: 16
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          Probably still hutspa. This is a kind of Jewish pride, elevated to the rank of arrogance. About arguing with the Jews? Come on, I am well aware that this is a useless thing, you can never prove anything to them, they are God's chosen ones, and we are goyim.
          1. isofat Offline
            isofat (Sergei) 6 May 2020 20: 23
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            Egor 7b7, thank! I remember that arrogance was elevated to the rank of virtues, and the term itself ... Again confused. excuse me smile
  • Natan bruk Offline
    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 6 May 2020 00: 09
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    In the 70th? It’s only in your inflamed brain. But what is a fact - in 1973, the shameful defeat of the five united Arab armies took place with the full and full support of the great and mighty, who himself participated in this war a lot. No wonder the Air Force Commander of the USSR after the first battles forbade Soviet pilots to engage in battle with the Israeli.
    1. Usher Offline
      Usher (Erdem) 6 May 2020 09: 47
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      Quote: Natan Bruk
      In the 70th? It’s only in your inflamed brain. But what is a fact - in 1973, the shameful defeat of the five united Arab armies took place with the full and full support of the great and mighty, who himself participated in this war a lot. No wonder the Air Force Commander of the USSR after the first battles forbade Soviet pilots to engage in battle with the Israeli.

      You can prove your so-called words?
      1. Natan bruk Offline
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 6 May 2020 10: 47
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        Want proofs? Okay, I'll come home from work, ladies. From a smartphone, this is problematic.
      2. Jacques Offline
        Jacques (jacques) 6 May 2020 17: 01
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        On August 1, 1970, Air Force Commander of the USSR Marshal Pavel Kutakhov flew to Cairo. On August 2, he ordered the termination of MiG flights in the Suez Canal zone until all circumstances of the death of three Soviet pilots were clarified [63]. The leadership of the USSR notified the Egyptian side that it could no longer render assistance to the Egyptian government in ensuring the inviolability of Egyptian air borders ...

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0
  • Winnie Offline
    Winnie (Winnie) 9 May 2020 23: 03
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    In total, 20 Israeli aircraft were shot down from July 1969, 1970 to the beginning of August 94.

    Cheap fake Russian agitation industry.
  • sgrabik Offline
    sgrabik (Sergei) 6 May 2020 10: 06
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    Do not distort the information too crudely and wishful thinking. I don’t know how it is about two-thirds, but half of the launched missiles are absolutely destroyed on a course approaching the target. But here we must also take into account the human factor. If the calculations of the air defense systems were manned by Russian experts, the missiles would be shot down much more, and all this somehow resembles a monkey, which was entrusted with a combat grenade and tried to teach how to use it correctly. But she, as expected, did not understand anything. The grenade in this case has nothing to do with it !!!
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    Diver d (Oleg) 5 May 2020 18: 11
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    On February 22, 2018, Israeli air defense was shocked. Two swarm of drones of several thousand units landed at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria. The thing is that no country in the world has possessed such technologies. And it became clear that these technologies belong to the Russian aerospace forces. Immediately, intelligence and space surveillance of the air base was urgently raised. Records from the radars clearly showed that the swarm of drones was moving in a very consistent and orderly manner, which caused even greater panic. In Israel, like no other, the consequences of the combat use of a swarm of drones were clear. Enormous forces and resources were urgently raised to their feet ... And only after a few hours of hard work, Israel breathed a sigh of relief. It turned out that it was two SU-57s landing on the airfield, sparkling on radars with their brand new rivets)))
    1. meandr51 Offline
      meandr51 (Andrei) 5 May 2020 20: 54
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      Self-isolation is not for everyone's benefit ...
    2. Natan bruk Offline
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 6 May 2020 00: 10
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      Beautiful fable :)))
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    meandr51 (Andrei) 5 May 2020 20: 52
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    For the Syrians, it’s better that simpler. They will not grow to integrated systems soon. There is nothing for them to post their elements.
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    shinobi (Yuri) 6 May 2020 08: 20
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    The Israelis are trying not to come close to the air defense coverage areas. And they shot a neighbor from the corner from the corner of the window, nnuuu very heroic. But, as soon as he flies back in the slightest bit, they immediately scream to the whole world and run to bow to Uncle Sam. Warriors!
  • Usher Offline
    Usher (Erdem) 6 May 2020 09: 45
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    "Buk" can not intercept tactical missiles launched from aircraft, and even more so free-falling bombs.
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      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 6 May 2020 12: 02
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      The Buk works without problems on tactical air-based missiles.
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      sgrabik (Sergei) 6 May 2020 12: 57
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      Usher (Erdem) Who told you such ridiculous nonsense ???
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    rotfuks (Ivanov Ivan) 6 May 2020 13: 28
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    Against Israeli raids, it is generally necessary to create special air defense systems. Israeli aviation uses missiles and gliding bombs, not flying into Syria, but uses the territory of neighboring Lebanon. It’s about like a neighbor in the country throwing stones at the windows from the territory of the neighboring country house. One thing pleases, because you can’t hear the loud statements of the Israelis that they are not afraid of the S-300 and will crush all of them.
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    Dzafdet (Sergei) 8 May 2020 21: 17
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    Quote: Natan Bruk
    How how? In 1973, Israel "howled for a truce"? You definitely live in parallel reality. The 1973 war ended in the shameful defeat of the Arab coalition under the wise leadership of the "great and mighty". Israeli troops were already 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus. And it was then that your Arab friendships howled loudly about a truce. So, dear, do not flaunt your ignorance.

    The great and powerful threatened to use nuclear weapons. And then enlightenment came in the Jewish brains ... And now a couple of strikes on Israeli airfields of 100 kilotons would also help the train of thought in the right direction ...
  • Kondrat Offline
    Kondrat 15 May 2020 15: 43
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    ... and at the very end of the list of used air defense systems there is a tried and tested hand-held throwing PROSCHA! Although, believe the Chinese and Indian at the same time, the media, it’s in the latrine of the soul to take its contents !!! These are still traders - they’ll write such a thing in the fervor that they don’t believe the eyes themselves - they say they hacked us and made slander. There is no mind, but it seems very smart to seem smart !!
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    Kondrat 15 May 2020 23: 01
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    ... BEECH is the limit of the intellectual capabilities of the Syrian, frightened air defense workers. Well, still in the future, there is a sling manual, throwing, but already with charges from a dried camel dung. In general, listening to the blasphemy of the Chinese media that washing the contents of latrines is a stink, nonsense and extremely negative memories.