Chinese media reveal Russia's response to NATO threat in the Black Sea

April 17 2020

According to the Chinese newspaper People's Daily, the Russian Federation is preparing to send its newest frigate, Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov, to the Black Sea in response to the strengthening of NATO forces in the region. So, on April 5, an RC-135W Alliance plane flew from the British air base Mildenhall to the Black Sea region with reconnaissance targets.

Since 2017, NATO has deliberately strengthened its position in the Black Sea region, sending reconnaissance planes and warships here as part of “free navigation”, with the aim of creating a deterrence factor for the Russian military forces.

Russia also strengthened its military presence by deploying the S-400 Triumph air defense systems and Su-27SM and Su-30SM fighters. Preparations are underway for the construction of the Voronezh early warning radar system, as well as the transfer of additional aviation equipment.

In addition, work is underway to improve the infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, which also strengthens Russia's position in this region. The transfer of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate to the Chermorflot is one of the planned steps of the Russian Federation to build up the naval forces.

Such steps by Russia may be considered an asymmetric NATO response to an attempt to strengthen its position in eastern Europe - the frigate may pose a potential threat to the possible deployment of Alliance offensive weapons in Romania. The ship’s equipment includes Caliber cruise missiles capable of operating at distances of up to 1500 km. The frigate can also be understaffed with Zircon missiles.

For several years now, the possibility of deploying long-range Tu-22M3 missile carriers with anti-ship and other missiles on the Crimean peninsula has also been considered. This will allow us to quickly and efficiently increase our capabilities in the range of the anti-ship forces of Russia, covering the entire Black Sea.

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Offline Sergey Latyshev

Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 17 2020 13: 35

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The Chinese are scoffing.
Today is the 17th, and the reconnaissance plane was on the 5th .... and the frigate is still just "preparing" ....

It can be seen that they are considered quite brakes ...
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  Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 13: 40
  
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  They fly on duty. Based in Romania, and almost every day they fly over the water area.
Offline Burelom

Burelom (Adam Khomich) April 17 2020 14: 14

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What else can be strengthened there? The Black Sea is visible through the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet beyond the Bosphorus.
If a barge sank in the strait, then the entire NATO flotilla will be held hostage by the BAL crew.
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  Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 14: 33
  
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  What is viewed, do not tell?
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    Burelom (Adam Khomich) April 17 2020 14: 38
    
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    I will prompt. Radio-electronic means of tracking and intelligence.
    You can ask about specific models and modifications on the website of the Ministry of Defense. mil.ru.
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      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 14: 46
      
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      No, no ... The message above wasn’t written by the Ministry of Defense, but by you. Be so kind as to specify specific systems.
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        Burelom (Adam Khomich) April 17 2020 14: 49
        
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        Beggars have no servants!
        
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        Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 14: 51
        
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        Off topic Zheglov quote ... But in general, your answer is clear.
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        123 (123) April 18 2020 22: 51
        
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        There is a missile attack warning system, the Voronezh radar station in Armavir, and is under construction in Sevastopol. It seems to work fine.
        
        https://politikus.ru/army/9003-minoborony-rossiya-byla-gotova-k-lyubomu-razvitiyu-sobytiy-v-sredizemnomore.html
        
        Over-the-horizon radar "Container" in Mordovia, the operating range from 3 to 6 thousand km to Istanbul is less than 2 thousand km.
        
        https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/692507-konteiner-stanciya-zagorizontnaya-rls
        
        Complexes S-300, if I'm not mistaken, there are S-400 too. The sky is scanned almost to the Bosphorus. In general, to say that the sky is not controlled, the tongue does not turn. For ships in the Crimea, there is a 15 brigade, the Bal complexes, they shoot, including Onyxes, officially 300 km, in fact, I think, more. From Sevastopol to the Bosphorus 500 km. For aviation, this is not a distance at all. Krasnodar Territory, I think, is not worth considering. As far as I remember, there are also coastal complexes there, and aviation, of course. If I am not mistaken, there is a Sunflower radar station in Crimea, in any case, they promised to deliver it, with a range of 450 km. Well, plus the fleet, not numerous, but will be able to drill holes.
        What is the point of further delving into this topic?
        If you want to say that there are fairy tales about the "border on the castle", please justify.
        
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        Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 19 2020 09: 03
        
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        The purpose of your message is not clear to me. I know without you where the early warning radars are located. Let me remind you the words of my colleague "BureLom", you probably forgot them:
        
        The Black Sea is visible through the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet beyond the Bosphorus.
        
        If you consider the radar stations in Armavir and Mordovia to be the "coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet", then I can’t do anything about it ...
        
        Further. A colleague spoke specifically about coastal complexes. That is, "about water", not "about air".
        
        If a barge sank in the strait, then the entire NATO flotilla will be held hostage by the BAL crew.
        
        The "Monolit-B" radar does not reach the Bosphorus. I'm not even talking about the P-800 missiles themselves, and even more so the Kh-35.
        
        What is the point of further delving into this topic?
        
        Really. With your scope, you can even reach the Strategic Rocket Forces and say with unshakable confidence that the PC-24 reaches the Bosphorus ...
        
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        123 (123) April 19 2020 15: 49
        
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        If you consider the radar stations in Armavir and Mordovia to be the "coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet", then I can’t do anything about it ...
        
        I believe that the Black Sea Fleet does not operate in an autonomous mode, has access to this information and can use it to guide missiles at a target. As far as I understand, the Container is capable of tracking ships.
        
        1. IMHO it was the "Container" that saw the appearance of the stealth frigate "Lafayette", with which the French tried to frighten us on the Black Sea. Because at such a wavelength the radar does not matter "stealth" there is flying / floating or an ordinary plane / ship.
        2. The radar station may well observe NATO aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean, North Seas and from Scandinavia to Iceland. And point the Dagger at them.
        
        The information is posted on the website of the manufacturer of the complex, in the news section: "And it is still being built! The field of low-altitude detection in Russia".
        
        https://www.niidar.ru/media/news/?PAGEN_1=4
        
        I also believe that the Sunflower radar is in operation. I haven’t seen an official announcement, but there have come across stories of "eyewitnesses" that the complex is working. I see no reason not to trust. Construction began in 2017; there are already existing ones in the Far East and the Baltic. This means that there is a possibility of observing 400-500 km in distance.
        
        The "Monolit-B" radar does not reach the Bosphorus. I'm not even talking about the P-800 missiles themselves, and even more so the Kh-35.
        
        Monolith-B
        
        Detection range of surface targets of a passive radar, up to 450 km.
        
        http://roe.ru/catalog/voenno-morskoy-flot/statsionarnye-radioelektronnye-sistemy/monolit-b/
        
        I also believe that this radar, like the Sunflower, has understated characteristics, however, like the Onyx, the Indian Bramos flies 400 km.
        
        Really. With your scope, you can even reach the Strategic Rocket Forces and say with unshakable confidence that the PC-24 reaches the Bosphorus ...
        
        The RS-24 takes much further, but that's another story.
        I believe that my colleague is right, the Black Sea is visible beyond the Bosphorus and the range of missile weapons allows you to turn the surface fleet there into an underwater fleet.
        There is an inaccuracy in the wording, not all of the listed detection and surveillance tools are included in the Black Sea Fleet, but this does not change the overall picture.
        
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        Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 19 2020 16: 15
        
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        If you notice, then I rarely comment on anything here. And there are reasons for that. The main one is the inability of the vast majority of opponents to operate on facts. To my great regret, you also relate to them.
        
        I will answer in this thread for the last time, by points:
        
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        I believe that the Black Sea Fleet does not operate in an autonomous mode, has access to this information and can use it to guide missiles at a target. As far as I understand, the "Container" is capable of tracking ships.
        
        The Voronezh radar, the Container radar and the Podsolnukh radar are not guidance stations. And again, you may hear: a colleague spoke above about the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet.
        
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        I also believe that this radar, like the "Sunflower", has underestimated characteristics
        
        You have the right to believe what and how you like. But the problem is that your own conclusions have nothing to do with facts. There are declared characteristics, I propose to build on them.
        
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        I believe that my colleague is right, the Black Sea is visible beyond the Bosphorus and the range of missile weapons allows you to turn the surface fleet there into an underwater fleet.
        
        You are contradicting yourself. First, you write that the entrance to the Bosphorus is 500 km, and then you say that the Monolit-B radar with a detection range of 450 km is scanning "beyond the Bosphorus." 50 km are not enough for a jump ...
        
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        There is an inaccuracy in the wording, not all of the listed detection and surveillance tools are included in the Black Sea Fleet, but this does not change the overall picture.
        
        I don't know what general picture you drew for yourself, but a colleague of "BureLom" wrote about specific things, namely, about the Black Sea Fleet.
        
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        123 (123) April 19 2020 17: 21
        
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        Of course, this point of view is also quite reasonable. As I already said, the comment is formulated incorrectly, but I repeat, the Black Sea Fleet does not operate autonomously, and it is also incorrect to consider its capabilities separately from the forces and means of the RF Ministry of Defense.
        
        The Voronezh radar, the Container radar and the Podsolnukh radar are not guidance stations. And again, maybe you will hear: my colleague spoke above about the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet.
        
        Of course not. The Liana space-based target designation system is suitable for target designation, as I understand it, it works.
        
        https://expert.ru/2014/01/24/ot-rossijskih-raket-teper-ne-skryitsya-dazhe-avianostsam-ssha/
        
        You have the right to believe what and how you like. But the problem is that your own conclusions have nothing to do with facts. There are declared characteristics, I propose to build on them.
        
        I'm not so sure about that. Usually, the characteristics of the already used samples are published, or the performance characteristics of the "export" version, "Sunflower" was sold to China. As for the Onyx, the joint development of the Bramos missile with India is due to restrictions on the export of missile weapons with a range of more than 300 km. Later, the Indians "finalized" it, increasing the range to 400 km. I don't see any reasons why it can be argued that the Onyx's range is exactly 300 km. "Export" data published. The missile's mass and dimensions are identical to those of the Caliber; before their use in Syria, the 1 km range was not confirmed. You can, of course, rely on only the declared characteristics, but they do not always reflect the real picture.
        
        You are contradicting yourself. First, you write that the entrance to the Bosphorus is 500 km, and then you say that the Monolit-B radar with a detection range of 450 km is scanning "beyond the Bosphorus." Offhand, 50 km are missing ...
        
        This is not entirely true, "Monolit-B" duplicates other stations, the ability for ships to "frolic" outside the zone of its operation 50 km from Istanbul does not change much in the overall picture.
        
        I don't know what general picture you drew for yourself, but a colleague of "BureLom" wrote about specific things, namely, about the Black Sea Fleet.
        
        Thank you for reminding me that the Moskva cruiser is still finishing repairs, but I have not forgotten how to launch missiles at 700 km even from the pier.