Chinese media reveal Russia's response to NATO threat in the Black Sea


According to the Chinese newspaper People's Daily, the Russian Federation is preparing to send its newest frigate, Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov, to the Black Sea in response to the strengthening of NATO forces in the region. So, on April 5, an RC-135W Alliance plane flew from the British air base Mildenhall to the Black Sea region with reconnaissance targets.


Since 2017, NATO has deliberately strengthened its position in the Black Sea region, sending reconnaissance planes and warships here as part of “free navigation”, with the aim of creating a deterrence factor for the Russian military forces.

Russia also strengthened its military presence by deploying the S-400 Triumph air defense systems and Su-27SM and Su-30SM fighters. Preparations are underway for the construction of the Voronezh early warning radar system, as well as the transfer of additional aviation equipment.

In addition, work is underway to improve the infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, which also strengthens Russia's position in this region. The transfer of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate to the Chermorflot is one of the planned steps of the Russian Federation to build up the naval forces.

Such steps by Russia may be considered an asymmetric NATO response to an attempt to strengthen its position in eastern Europe - the frigate may pose a potential threat to the possible deployment of Alliance offensive weapons in Romania. The ship’s equipment includes Caliber cruise missiles capable of operating at distances of up to 1500 km. The frigate can also be understaffed with Zircon missiles.

For several years now, the possibility of deploying long-range Tu-22M3 missile carriers with anti-ship and other missiles on the Crimean peninsula has also been considered. This will allow us to quickly and efficiently increase our capabilities in the range of the anti-ship forces of Russia, covering the entire Black Sea.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 17 2020 13: 35
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    The Chinese are scoffing.
    Today is the 17th, and the reconnaissance aircraft was on the 5th .... and the frigate is still only "getting ready" ....

    It can be seen that they are considered quite brakes ...
    1. Kristallovich Offline
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 13: 40
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      They fly on watch. Based in Romania, and almost every day fly over the water area.
  2. Burelom Offline
    Burelom (Adam Khomich) April 17 2020 14: 14
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    What else can be strengthened there? The Black Sea is visible through the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet beyond the Bosphorus.
    If a barge sank in the strait, then the entire NATO flotilla will be held hostage by the BAL crew.
    1. Kristallovich Offline
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 14: 33
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      What is viewed, do not tell?
      1. Burelom Offline
        Burelom (Adam Khomich) April 17 2020 14: 38
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        I will prompt. Radio-electronic means of tracking and intelligence.
        You can ask about specific models and modifications on the website of the Ministry of Defense. mil.ru.
        1. Kristallovich Offline
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 14: 46
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          No, no ... The message above wasn’t written by the Ministry of Defense, but by you. Be so kind as to specify specific systems.
          1. Burelom Offline
            Burelom (Adam Khomich) April 17 2020 14: 49
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            Beggars have no servants!
            1. Kristallovich Offline
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 17 2020 14: 51
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              Off topic Zheglov quote ... But in general, your answer is clear.
          2. 123 Offline
            123 (123) April 18 2020 22: 51
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            A missile attack warning system is operating, the Voronezh radar station in Armavir, and is being built in Sevastopol. It seems to work fine.

            https://politikus.ru/army/9003-minoborony-rossiya-byla-gotova-k-lyubomu-razvitiyu-sobytiy-v-sredizemnomore.html

            Overseas radar "Container" in Mordovia, the range from 3 to 6 thousand km to Istanbul is less than 2 thousand km.

            https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/692507-konteiner-stanciya-zagorizontnaya-rls

            Complexes S-300, if I am not mistaken, S-400 is also there. The sky is viewed almost to the Bosphorus. In general, to say that the sky is not controlled, the language does not turn. For ships in the Crimea, there are 15 brigades, “Ball” complexes, including Onyxes, which are officially shot 300 km, in fact, I think, more. From Sevastopol to the Bosphorus 500 km. For aviation, this is not a distance at all. The Krasnodar Territory, I think, is not worth considering. As far as I remember, coastal complexes are also there, and aviation, of course. If I’m not mistaken, there is a Sunflower radar in the Crimea, in any case, they promised to deliver a range of 450 km. Well, plus the fleet, not numerous, but it will be able to drill holes.
            What is the point of further delving into this topic?
            If you want to say that about the "border on the castle" tales, please justify. hi
            1. Kristallovich Offline
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 19 2020 09: 03
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              I don’t understand the purpose of your message. Even without you, I know where the early warning radars are located. Let me remind you of the words of the BureLom colleague, you probably forgot them:

              The Black Sea is visible through the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet beyond the Bosphorus.

              If you consider the radar in Armavir and Mordovia as the “Black Sea Fleet Infrastructure”, then I can’t do anything about it ...

              Further. A colleague spoke specifically about coastal complexes. That is, "about water," not "about air."

              If a barge sank in the strait, then the entire NATO flotilla will be held hostage by the BAL crew.

              Radar "Monolith-B" does not reach the Bosphorus. I'm not talking about the P-800 missiles themselves, and even more so the X-35.

              What is the point of further delving into this topic?

              Really. With your scope, you can even reach the Strategic Rocket Forces and say with unshakable confidence that the PC-24 reaches the Bosphorus ...
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) April 19 2020 15: 49
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                If you consider the radar in Armavir and Mordovia as the “Black Sea Fleet Infrastructure”, then I can’t do anything about it ...

                I believe the Black Sea Fleet is not working autonomously, has access to this information and can use it to aim missiles at a target. As I understand it, Container is capable of tracking ships.

                1. IMHO it was “Container” that saw the appearance of the stealth frigate “Lafayette”, which the French tried to scare us with on the Black Sea. Because at such a wavelength, the radar does not matter "stealth" there flies / floats or an ordinary plane / ship.
                2. The radar may well be observed by NATO aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean and North Seas and from Scandinavia to Iceland. And point the Dagger at them.

                The information is available on the site of the manufacturer of the complex, in the news section: "And it is still under construction! Low-altitude detection field in Russia."

                https://www.niidar.ru/media/news/?PAGEN_1=4

                I also believe that Radar "Sunflower" is operational. I didn’t see the official message, but there were stories of "eyewitnesses" that the complex was working. Do not trust the reasons I do not see. The construction began in 2017, there are already operating in the Far East and the Baltic. And this means that it is possible to observe 400-500 km in range.

                Radar "Monolith-B" does not reach the Bosphorus. I'm not talking about the P-800 missiles themselves, and even more so the X-35.

                Monolith-B

                Detection range of surface targets of a passive radar, up to 450 km.

                http://roe.ru/catalog/voenno-morskoy-flot/statsionarnye-radioelektronnye-sistemy/monolit-b/

                I also believe that this radar, like the Sunflower, has underestimated characteristics, however, like the Onyx, the Indian Bramos flies 400 km.



                Really. With your scope, you can even reach the Strategic Rocket Forces and say with unshakable confidence that the PC-24 reaches the Bosphorus ...

                The RS-24 takes much further, but that's another story.
                I believe that my colleague is right, the Black Sea is visible beyond the Bosphorus and the range of missile weapons allows you to turn the surface fleet there into an underwater fleet.
                There is an inaccuracy in the wording, not all of the listed detection and surveillance tools are included in the Black Sea Fleet, but this does not change the overall picture. hi
                1. Kristallovich Offline
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 19 2020 16: 15
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                  If you notice, then I rarely comment on anything here. And there are reasons for that. The main one is the inability of the vast majority of opponents to operate on facts. To my great regret, you also relate to them.

                  I will answer in this thread for the last time, by points:

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                  I believe the Black Sea Fleet is not working autonomously, has access to this information and can use it to aim missiles at a target. As far as I understand, "Container" is able to track ships.

                  The Voronezh radar, the Container radar and the Sunflower radar are not guidance stations. And again, you might hear: a colleague above spoke about the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet.

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                  I also believe that this radar, as well as the "Sunflower" indicated low characteristics

                  You have the right to believe what and how you like. But the problem is that your own conclusions have nothing to do with facts. There are declared characteristics, I propose to build on them.

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                  I believe that my colleague is right, the Black Sea is visible beyond the Bosphorus and the range of missile weapons allows you to turn the surface fleet there into an underwater fleet.

                  You are contradicting yourself. First you write that it’s 500 km to the entrance to the Bosphorus, and then you claim that the Monolith-B radar with a detection range of 450 km is scanning “beyond the Bosphorus”. On vskidku not enough 50 km ...

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                  There is an inaccuracy in the wording, not all of the listed detection and surveillance tools are included in the Black Sea Fleet, but this does not change the overall picture.

                  I don’t know what kind of overall picture you drew for yourself, but a BureLom colleague wrote about specific things, namely, the Black Sea Fleet.
                  1. 123 Offline
                    123 (123) April 19 2020 17: 21
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                    Of course, this point of view is also quite reasonable. As I already said, the comment is formulated incorrectly, but I repeat, the Black Sea Fleet does not operate autonomously, and it is also incorrect to consider its capabilities separately from the forces and means of the RF Ministry of Defense.

                    The Voronezh radar, the Container radar and the Sunflower radar are not guidance stations. And again, maybe you hear: a colleague above spoke about the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet.

                    Of course not. The space-based target designation system "Liana" is suitable for target designation, as I understand it, it operates.

                    https://expert.ru/2014/01/24/ot-rossijskih-raket-teper-ne-skryitsya-dazhe-avianostsam-ssha/

                    You have the right to believe what and how you like. But the problem is that your own conclusions have nothing to do with facts. There are declared characteristics, I propose to build on them.

                    I'm not so sure about that. no Usually, the characteristics of already used samples are published, or the performance characteristics of the “export” version, the “Sunflower” was sold to China. As for Onyx, the joint development of the Bramos missile with India is due to restrictions on the export of missile weapons with a range of more than 300 km. Later, the Indians “finalized” it, increasing the range to 400 km. I don’t see the reasons why it can be argued that the Onyx range is exactly 300 km. Published "export" data. The missile’s overall dimensions are identical to those of the Caliber; before they were used in Syria, a range of 1 km was not confirmed. You can, of course, rely only on the declared characteristics, but they do not always reflect the real picture.

                    You are contradicting yourself. First you write that it’s 500 km to the entrance to the Bosphorus, and then you claim that the Monolith-B radar with a detection range of 450 km is scanning “beyond the Bosphorus”. Offhand there is not enough 50 km ...

                    This is not entirely true, Monolith-B duplicates other stations, the ability for ships to "frolic" beyond its zone of operation 50 km from Istanbul, does little to change the overall picture.

                    I don’t know what kind of overall picture you drew for yourself, but a BureLom colleague wrote about specific things, namely, the Black Sea Fleet.

                    Thank you for reminding me that the Moskva cruiser, although it is still finishing repairs, has not yet forgotten how to launch rockets 700 km even from the pier.