Not in favor of "Almaty": the network compared the stabilization of tank guns after a shot


Netizens discuss the video that appeared, which shows shots from the guns of tanks of various armies of the world.


The shots show how the M1A2 Abrams (USA), T-14 Armata (Russia), K-2 Black Panther (South Korea), Type 96 and Type 99 (China) carry out shots.

For greater “visibility”, the author worked hard and drew red lines that show the stable (ideal) position of the barrels of guns of shooting tanks. Based on these lines, it became possible to track how much the tank’s trunk changed its position. In this video, the author tried to show the "superiority" of American tanks over others.


In turn, some commentators noticed that in this video the mass of tanks and the power of their guns were not taken into account at all. For example, the weight of the Abrams tank reaches 70 tons and has a 120-mm gun on it, while the Armata weighs only 55 tons and has a 125-mm gun.
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  1. sgrabik Offline
    sgrabik (Sergei) April 14 2020 15: 14
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    They no longer know which side to approach and to come up with such a ridiculous one, to slander and muddy our equipment and our military industrial complex, but this is all so ridiculous and stupid for them that, apart from laughter, it doesn’t cause anything else.
    1. cmonman Offline
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 14 2020 17: 07
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      They no longer know which side to approach and to come up with such a ridiculous one, to slander and douse our equipment and our military industrial complex ...

      - and at the same time, a big ballet with space!
      Should tanks shoot? Should! Need to shoot fast / often? Yes!
      Poor cushioning reduces accuracy / firing rate? Yes!
      So what's the difference in gun size or tank weight !!! Or do tanks not fight each other? On the Kursk Bulge, the ratio of the wrecked German and Soviet tanks was 1: 5 in favor of the Germans because of the difference in the tanks' TTD.
      And here it is clear that the gun of Almaty is not stabilized, i.e. track. the shot will be delayed. And any delay is fraught with the defeat of the tank. So don’t need about “different weight / size / color ...”
      1. sgrabik Offline
        sgrabik (Sergei) April 14 2020 17: 47
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        Here, just the same, this is not visible, and the whole topic is sucked from the finger. There are special sensors at the end of the barrel that monitor these parameters and the automation transmits all the necessary parameters to the ballistic computer, which timely makes all the necessary adjustments before the next shot, so this certainly does not affect the accuracy of the shot. The main task of the tank is to accurately hit the target, and who exactly measured and compared all these parameters? An absurd and obviously amateurish fortune-telling on coffee grounds. Well, it’s understandable, for some not-so-morons, everything Western a priori should always be better than ours, but this certainly does not apply to the weapons and products of our military-industrial complex.
        1. cmonman Offline
          cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 14 2020 21: 42
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          Here, just the same, this is not visible, and the whole topic is sucked from the finger.

          Here it is just perfectly visible, but you're right - the whole topic is sucked from the finger. Abrams has a recoil gun, Armata has a recoilless gun and the suspension is soft for the crew’s convenience so that there is no hemorrhoids.
          The ballet is saved, the military-industrial complex is also ... The country is growing stronger ...
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          2. Usher Offline
            Usher (Erdem) April 16 2020 10: 42
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            Quote: cmonman
            Here, just the same, this is not visible, and the whole topic is sucked from the finger.

            Here it is just perfectly visible, but you're right - the whole topic is sucked from the finger. Abrams has a recoil gun, Armata has a recoilless gun and the suspension is soft for the crew’s convenience so that there is no hemorrhoids.
            The ballet is saved, the military-industrial complex is also ... The country is growing stronger ...

            What are you talking about? What recoilless gun? Do you even know what it is? Armata has the usual 2A82 gun.
      2. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 15 2020 09: 19
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        Did the Germans report this to you, or the Soviets suffering from Russophobia from Rain and Echo Matz ?! It’s always funny for me to read the fabrications of such bookkeepers ... starting to count the losses of Soviet and German tanks, and you catch on the same thing ... LETTER - you had to read it, not smoke ... Well, yes, all this is lyrics, and now points.
        Before taking on the calculation of losses, you need to consider 4 things:
        A) In the German army, self-propelled guns belonged to artillery and losses in self-propelled guns were not counted as losses in armored units. In the USSR, self-propelled guns were classified as armored units, and losses were recorded in tank losses and self-propelled guns ... There were a lot of self-propelled guns and Germans, including small-scale and even single samples, not only mass ones, such as Shtug-3 ...
        B) Not only Germans fought against the USSR and not only Germans killed Soviet tanks, which means that the losses of the Germans must be added to the losses of Hitler’s allies that had their own tanks ...
        C) The Germans actively used practically all captured tanks against the USSR, there were 750 Czech LT tanks alone ... the last of them was burned somewhere near Moscow in 1941 ... after which the production of self-propelled guns based on it for the needs of the Wehrmacht continued. .
        D) Considering the wrecked Soviet tanks, the masterpieces include such masterpieces as T-37, T-38 and the like, all of whose armament was 1 machine gun of 7,62 caliber, forgetting to rank as tanks, for example, Italian wedges armed in 1941 or machine gun 12,7 mm, or 20 mm cannon, not inferior in armament to the Soviet T-60 ...
      3. General Black Offline
        General Black (Gennady) April 15 2020 23: 14
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        Guderian also turned up! Look, there are shots there - shooting is slowed down 500 times. Where the projectile flies and when the recoil of the gun begins. You treat everyone here.
      4. stef13ch Offline
        stef13ch (Yadykin) 13 May 2020 19: 09
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        But the tank is not automatic ... Is the frequency of the shot important for the tank? Some time passes between shots to reload ...
        What, the gun of our tank is swinging there .. ???
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  3. Serge Tixiy Offline
    Serge Tixiy (Serge Tixiy) April 14 2020 16: 38
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    “Online” is, of course, strong ..... I recall a forum of small arms - “I shot from AKSU at STALKER, sucks ...”
  4. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 14 2020 17: 33
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    Author? Resource?
    At VO expressed reasoned suspicion that the video was made by the Russian author of the post.
  5. shadow Offline
    shadow April 14 2020 18: 01
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    See, the article is not very carefully read.
    In turn, some commentators noticed that in this video the mass of tanks and the power of their guns were not taken into account at all. For example, the weight of the Abrams tank reaches 70 tons and has a 120-mm gun on it, while the Armata weighs only 55 tons and has a 125-mm gun.
    1. Kristallovich Offline
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 14 2020 21: 44
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      And this, dear, is very close here .... Unfortunately ....
    2. cmonman Offline
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 15 2020 00: 34
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      ... in this video the mass of tanks and the power of their guns are not taken into account at all.

      And correctly unaccounted for, because the tank is compared with the tank, and not with an armored personnel carrier / boat / cavalry. The tank is fighting against the tank, so you have to fight with what is - Abrams against Armata. And the mass / color / diameter does not matter.
      1. shadow Offline
        shadow April 15 2020 00: 55
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        https://topwar.ru/170188-voennyj-jekspert-ne-daj-bog-amerikanskomu-abramsu-na-hodu-vstretitsja-s-nashej-armatoj.html
      2. dubovitskiy.1947 (Victor) April 16 2020 14: 18
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        You do not understand the MAIN. Not the technical characteristics of machines are compared, but mathematics and physics - the mass of 70 tons fluctuates when the shot returns less than the mass is half as much. Our oscillations are zero in ten seconds. During this time, the automatic loader manages to do its job. Compare the rate of fire with them and ours. Used to compare cartoons. Stratech.
        1. cmonman Offline
          cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 16 2020 16: 29
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          Victor, “You did not understand the MAIN!”
          At our tank, the barrel goes inside, extinguishing recoil (see the movie very carefully), so the second shot happens faster than in your tank, where you have to wait a split second (all recoil to the tank’s mass - see the movie, but carefully).
  6. boriz Offline
    boriz (boriz) April 15 2020 12: 37
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    All disputes can be resolved very simply: welcome to the tank biathlon. After all, they invited ... But no, they refused.
  7. dubovitskiy.1947 (Victor) April 16 2020 14: 12
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    To compare the oscillations of a tank weighing 70 tons, and, with a gun of the same power, but with an iron mass of half less, can only be foolish.
    Further. Well, do tank guns fire at a machine gun pace, and tenths of a second pass before the next shot? That time, when the swings calm down, the guns are serviced - for them - a black man, and for us - automatically.
  8. dubovitskiy.1947 (Victor) April 17 2020 18: 13
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    Quote: cmonman
    Here, just the same, this is not visible, and the whole topic is sucked from the finger.

    Here it is just perfectly visible, but you're right - the whole topic is sucked from the finger. Abrams has a recoil gun, Armata has a recoilless gun and the suspension is soft for the crew’s convenience so that there is no hemorrhoids.
    The ballet is saved, the military-industrial complex is also ... The country is growing stronger ...

    First you need to read what it is - recoilless gun.

    A recoilless gun is a gun that does not have a recoil when firing. This effect is achieved due to the removal of part of the powder gases through a special nozzle in the breech of the barrel, as a result of which a reactive force is created that balances the recoil force.

    Wikipedia