Czech Republic refused to meet Russia on the issue of Konev monument


Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu wrote a letter to the head of the Czech military, Lubomir Metnar, in which he expressed a request to hand over to Russia a monument to Marshal Konev, demolished the day before in Prague.


However, they replied from the Czech Republic that they could not meet the Russian colleagues, since the monument, according to representatives of the ministry, is not part of the military burial, but belongs to the municipal district of Prague-6.

Earlier, Russian authorities strongly protested the Czech Republic in connection with the dismantling of the monument to Russian Marshal Konev, whose troops rendered invaluable services to the capital of Czechoslovakia in preventing its destruction by the Nazis during World War II. The monument was erected by grateful residents of Prague in 1980.

Over the years of its presence on the Interbrigade Square in Prague, the monument to the Marshal of the USSR has been subjected to cynical tricks by vandals many times, one of which took place in August last year, when unknown persons doused the monument with red paint.

In September 2019, the authorities of the district of Prague-6 decided to remove the monument and place it in the museum building, and dismantling was carried out on April 3, 2020.

Former Slovak Prime Minister Jan Czarnogurski expressed his desire to move the monument to the Marshal in Slovakia, putting it on a private site in order to avoid a situation similar to Prague.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker April 10 2020 11: 02
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    Well, Shoigu's show-off is over! Began to ask. Did you say the magic word? "It's not like reading from a piece of paper:" Tanks don't need visas? "SHAME !!!
    1. Do not provoke Comrade Shoigu, DO NOT! Now Rosatom wants to get the nuclear power plant in a row, that's what matters!
  2. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF April 10 2020 11: 54
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    There is no place in Russia where there would be all the monuments (or their copies), demolished by the "descendants of the saved grateful Europeans" with tablets by whom, when, for what they were erected, and by whom when they were demolished.
    But it’s a pity to see, and we are ordered to forget about it ...

    If the Czechs suddenly returned the monument, where would they put it? What prevents us from doing this?

    The customs coefficient should automatically increase the cost of Russian goods and services for such ... I see the fines for violations of the self-isolation regime (I am delighted with the operational work of the president and deputies in this direction), but where are they for Russophobia?
  3. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 10 2020 11: 59
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    Dismantling a monument is an indicator of the state of relations between countries. This is just the first sign. The level of cooperation, including in the economy, will steadily decline. I hope they will understand this and draw appropriate conclusions. It is necessary to look for a replacement for Czech goods and services now, there is no need to wait for a "new" Ukraine or the Baltic states.
    For example, you can look at ZAO "Plant named after V. A. Degtyarev".

    http://www.zid.ru/

    On his website proudly flaunted orders, Soviet orders. They went the easy way with the expansion of civilian production. The manufactured agricultural machinery is designed by Czech designers. They say it’s cheaper and easier. Here is such a conversion. I hope that the management of the plant is not indifferent to the fate of the monument to the Marshal, whose fighters reached Prague with his products in their hands and they would draw the appropriate conclusions for the company. I believe that this is not an isolated example, and Sergey Kuzhugetovich will also pay attention to this. And the rest of the leaders should pay close attention to cooperation with the Czech Republic, in our area their delegations also come.
    1. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) April 10 2020 22: 34
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      ... the factory management is not indifferent to the fate of the monument to Marshal ...

      From a sick head to a healthy one.
      "Those Above" for decades basked in the rays of the rising sun of Russian democracy, reclining in comfortable Foreign Ministry and other ministerial chairs. They shoved off everything Soviet with their hands and feet. At the international level, nothing was done to preserve and strengthen the already weakened Yeltsin and Gorbachev positions.
      Local businesses have been told for years, look for investors yourself and all that in a similar vein. And now the uncles and aunts from the factory should disentangle another brew, in the preparation of which they did not take any part. good
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 11 2020 00: 28
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        I voiced one of the options to "thank" the Czech partners with a ruble.

        At the international level, nothing has been done to maintain and strengthen the already weakened Yeltsin and Gorbachev positions.

        And what exactly were they supposed to do in the Czech Republic? Do you have a specific offer? Or so, "general abstract discontent"?

        Local businesses have been told for years, look for investors yourself and all that in a similar vein. And now the uncles and aunts from the factory should disentangle another brew, in the preparation of which they did not take any part.

        If you remember, the defense enterprises were given the task of increasing the share of civilian products to 50%. The plant began to make tractors, but attracted Czech designers for construction. They sit in the Czech Republic and work, the plant pays them for the work. We are not talking about any investments at all.
        1. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter (Gleb) April 11 2020 01: 55
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          And what exactly were they supposed to do in the Czech Republic? Do you have a specific offer? Or so, "general abstract discontent"?

          It concerns not only the Czechs. Can you describe the program to you? From age, "I want to be a minister" I have long ago left. Besides, historically lost time is lost. Now we have what we have. And for some reason not everyone likes it. Is it strange? It means that something was done wrong. Analytics of the late eighties and early nineties and it is useless to continue to engage here, but it was then that all these problems with Poland, Tribaltics, Magyars, Czechs and God knows with whom else were laid. Georgia and Ukraine are the latest examples.
          It would be necessary for the Yeltsin and company masters to establish and install a couple more monuments, foundations and centers "forever and ever."

          They sit in the Czech Republic and work, the plant pays them for the work.

          And the factory makes competitive products for this and receives money for it. This means that he invests nothing more than hard currency in Czech engineering and technical thought.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) April 11 2020 02: 05
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            It is useless to engage in analytics of the late eighties and the beginning of the nineties, but it was then that all these problems were laid with Poland, the Baltic, Magyars, Czechs and God knows with whom else. Georgia and Ukraine are the latest examples.

            I agree. Now what can I say about this? We must look forward. Ahead is the deterioration of relations with the Czech Republic, and this must be prepared. In order not to rush about with new import substitution.

            And the factory makes competitive products for this and receives money for it. This means that he invests nothing more than hard currency in Czech engineering and technical thought.

            The plant should do it itself, develop its own design school, and not rely on Czechs and invest better in their own team, cheaper and more reliable.
            1. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter (Gleb) April 11 2020 13: 01
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              Ahead is the deterioration of relations with the Czech Republic, and this must be prepared.

              Why's that? Some may want this, but apparently, these people do not see beyond their own noses. At least for the reason that -

              We must look forward.

              And at the Mausoleum lined with plywood in May, too, do not forget to take a look.

              to develop your own design school, and not rely on Czechs and invest better in your own team, it’s both cheaper and more reliable.

              Unless, of course, there is still something to develop. How did Czech engineers not please you? Even if the whole design bureau came to the defense of this monument, how would it help?
              The action was conceived, planned and executed at a completely different level. Moreover, it is very vile and disgusting, since the actions were committed during certain restrictions associated with the epidemic.
              But for the rest, Yeltsin’s de-communization business lives on.
              After all, Ivan Stepanovich Konev was a communist from 1918 until 1973, and therefore he is the personal enemy of all Russian democrats combined.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) April 11 2020 14: 06
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                Why's that? Some may wish it, but, apparently, these people do not see beyond their own noses. At least for the reason that -

                Why? Everything is simple. yes Czech Republic under the tutelage of the United States, NATO, EU. Repeats the fate of all the countries of the former socialist camp, trapped in Europe. Don't like to look forward? Look around.

                And at the Mausoleum lined with plywood in May, too, do not forget to take a look.

                That's how you restore the GDR, then you will advise.

                Unless, of course, there is still something to develop.

                There is still. yes But if you use overseas, it certainly will not.

                How did Czech engineers not please you? Even if the whole design bureau came to the defense of this monument, how would it help?

                Whatever they helped, this is their country, since they have chosen which direction to go, you just need to comprehend this fact, understand that we are not on the way and move our own way. Surely the Ukrainians, producing engines for helicopters and gas turbines for ships, also had nothing against the French, making accessories for the Superjet. Only they are not particularly asked. Sooner or later, these designers will have problems and it is better to solve them in advance, before they appear.

                The action was conceived, planned and executed at a completely different level. Moreover, it is very vile and disgusting, since the actions were committed during certain restrictions associated with the epidemic.

                I agree. yes But this is only an episode. In Poland and the Baltic States, too, not everyone did it right away.

                But for the rest, Yeltsin’s de-communization business lives on.

                Are you sure that the people want to return to the construction of communism? No, you, of course, can have such an opinion, but how popular is it among the people?

                After all, Ivan Stepanovich Konev was a communist from 1918 until 1973, and therefore he is the personal enemy of all Russian democrats combined.

                Directly so categorically, since he was a communist, then an enemy? And "all Russian democrats" are the authorities? Don't you think this is a black and white painting? Can you give an example of who and what spoke out against Marshal Konev?
                Show me, where are these "democratic enemies" who spread rot on the bright memory of the Marshal? By the way, Gagarin was also a communist. Nobody says anything bad about him. It is wrong to say that if someone from the past is not singing praises, it is because he was a communist.
                1. Bitter Offline Bitter
                  Bitter (Gleb) April 11 2020 22: 57
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                  ... this is their country, since they have chosen which direction to go ...

                  Not a fact, if we recall the end of the eighties and the consultations of the CMEA countries, then, just like the people in the USSR in their time, they did not want to destroy the community, but offered ways of its reformation and further development. Only all these "PPs" in the Central Committee, and most importantly the newly made presidents, were of little interest, they already had dolLars in their eyes and they rushed there at full speed, biting the bit and blowing foam.
                  So the Czechs didn’t come out, just like the whole USSR, they were simply thrown at one time, but now you see - "they chose", ha-ha three times.

                  Are you sure that the people want to return to the construction of communism?

                  What for? What does this have to do with it? I’m not a fan of the Communists and I don’t even sympathize with them. I’m just sure that one should respect his story, and not blind and rewrite or customize it for the sake of a fleeting political situation. State policy should be consistent and predictable, then everything will be fine. And what kind of system, American capitalism or Chinese communism, is secondary.

                  Right so categorically, since he was a communist, then an enemy?

                  Listen and read Boris Nikolayevich, everything is clear there.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) April 11 2020 23: 57
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                    So the Czechs did not come out, just like the whole USSR, they were just thrown in their time, but now, you see - "they chose", ha-ha three times.

                    I am not talking about the collapse of CMEA. Once they are satisfied with the demolition of the monuments, it means that they have chosen their path. And the fact that people are not particularly asked is not news. This does not make it any easier for us. I believe that Ukrainians are also far from all against Russia, but you know what happens. So, I'm glad that not all Czechs are like that, but there is a tendency to worsen relations.

                    What for? What does this have to do with it? I’m not a fan of the Communists and I don’t even sympathize with them. I’m just sure that one should respect his story, and not blind and rewrite or customize it for the sake of a fleeting political situation.

                    If you are personally interested in my opinion on this issue, I consider it necessary to have a portrait of Stalin at the parade as commander in chief who won the army in the war. As for the mausoleum, it is categorically against using it as a tribune. Nothing to stomp on the grave. And I don’t see the need to focus on him during the parade, after all, it was not Lenin who won the war.
                    Everyone has different opinions on this issue, but no one is trying to demolish the mausoleum. How are you doing with this? Anyone posting portraits of Erich Honecker? Or do GDR flags appear on holidays?

                    Listen and read Boris Nikolayevich, everything is clear there.

                    What for? How many have you ever been to Russia? Do you think nothing has changed since then?
                    1. Bitter Offline Bitter
                      Bitter (Gleb) April 12 2020 23: 45
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                      I am not talking about the collapse of CMEA. Once they are satisfied with the demolition of the monuments, it means that they have chosen their path.

                      Naturally, they chose, the Gorbachevs and the Yeltsins turned their necks for the CMEA for inexpensive, only 33 pieces of silver. Naturally, I had to choose the road, it was possible, of course, to wait 15-20 years until they woke up in Russia, but as history shows, "a holy place is never empty." Czechs in the nineties too, oh, how hard it was.

                      strongly against using it as a tribune.

                      But there is nothing to cover, and even if this page of history is such a shame for the new Russian state, let it be dismantled and handed over somewhere to the museum. The Chinese are happy to buy.

                      How are you doing with this?

                      Everything is normal with us, the initial situation is completely different, and the executive authorities practically did not stop working at the time of the unification. GDR without any transitional and candidate terms immediately got into the EU and NATO.

                      What for?

                      Just because the current president continues the course set by Boris Nikolayevich.

                      How many have you ever been to Russia?

                      It has not been for a long time. But I read the news, and sometimes I communicate with people who come and go.

                      Do you think nothing has changed since then?

                      In terms of the level of well-being of individual large, "thieves" and strategic cities and regions, progress is obvious, but otherwise I'm not sure. If in the past Russia allegedly fed the republics of the country of the Soviets, now some capitalists and Moscow are fattening at its expense. request
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 12 2020 23: 59
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                        Naturally, they chose, the Gorbachevs and the Yeltsins' necks for the CMEA for inexpensive, only 33 pieces of silver. Naturally, I had to choose the road, it was possible, of course, to wait 15-20 years until they woke up in Russia, but as history shows, "a holy place is never empty." Czechs in the nineties too, oh, how hard it was.

                        Are they taking revenge on us now? Again we are to blame for everything?

                        But there is nothing to cover, and even if this page of history is such a shame for the new Russian state, let it be dismantled and handed over somewhere to the museum. The Chinese are happy to buy.

                        I would be grateful for photographs of German citizens walking on holidays with the flags of the GDR or are ashamed?

                        Everything is normal with us, the initial situation is completely different, and the executive authorities practically did not stop working at the time of the unification. The GDR without any transitional and candidate terms immediately got into the EU and NATO.

                        But we didn’t have repressions, the military and special services did not have a ban on the profession. It is not customary to spread rot, perhaps because the Crimeans did not hesitate? Just the epaulettes changed and that’s it.

                        Just because the current president continues the course set by Boris Nikolayevich.

                        Truth? And what is this expressed in? Or should he restore socialism and return the party?

                        It has not been for a long time. But I read the news, and sometimes I communicate with people who come and go.

                        Well, judging by the news, then all your offspring should be from "refugees", only sexual minorities are in power and are held in high esteem, in the army all the equipment is in a joke, in general, you rot and hold on with the last bit of strength. And in the USA, probably, blacks are still lynched. laughing

                        In terms of the level of well-being of individual large, "thieves" and strategic cities and regions, progress is obvious, but otherwise I'm not sure. If in the past Russia allegedly fed the republics of the country of the Soviets, now some capitalists and Moscow are fattening at its expense.

                        Moscow - under the Soviets, it was in a special position. "Progress", of course, I would like more, but as it is. And what about the capitalists, is it different, everything is equal?
                      2. Bitter Offline Bitter
                        Bitter (Gleb) April 13 2020 00: 44
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                        Are they taking revenge on us now? Again we are to blame for everything?

                        No and yes, they live their own lives. The costs of Czech legislation and the narrow-mindedness of Russian politics. The legacy of the USSR in Eastern Europe was enormous, it was necessary to discuss and make decisions in the nineties with the collapse of the CMEA and similar things. For example, that such monuments and burials should be on the balance sheet of states, not municipal districts. It was necessary to work with the "allies", to really work and to rebuild the entire system. Do not curry favor with American democracy with reports directly. And also in words "to break the back of the communists", but in fact, under this counter, to sell and distribute everything and everyone.

                        I will be grateful...

                        The system has not changed in the GDR, this state no longer exists and that’s it. In Germany, there are monuments to both soldiers, without any problems.

                        there were no repressions, the military and special services were not banned from the profession ...

                        Well, yes, in the nineties and beyond, it was so-so, "hardships and deprivation of military service," and the phrase "we do not need an army" in general, the Americans brought to Russia.

                        Truth? And what is this expressed in?

                        Truth. You know me better.

                        Well, judging by the news.

                        Anything can happen. But I have the opportunity to compare the news here and there. And people who come here on business trips, on holidays and by invitation, are generally different, even in terms of their social level. From there and look. Do you think he is too subjective?

                        Moscow she was in a special position under the Soviets.

                        Is that an excuse? Again the tips are to blame?

                        And what about the capitalists, is it different in yours, everything is equally divided?

                        No, of course, Germany also feeds the entire EU, and also its capitalists. laughing
                        But the distribution system of industrial enterprises is somewhat different; everyone does not climb into Berlin.
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 13 2020 01: 11
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                        No and yes, they live their own lives.

                        Let them live, only the monuments cannot be demolished.

                        Costs of Czech law and the lack of Russian politics. The legacy of the USSR in eastern Europe was enormous, it was necessary in the nineties during the collapse of the CMEA and to discuss such things and make decisions.

                        Are you seriously? Right before my eyes, the picture - Gorbachev and Yeltsin are discussing the transfer of monuments to Soviet soldiers on the state balance. sad

                        It was necessary to work with the "allies", to really work and to rebuild the entire system. Do not curry favor with American democracy with reports directly. And also in words "to break the backbone of the communists", but in fact, under this counter, to sell and distribute everything and everyone.

                        To be honest, I’m tired of hearing that we ourselves are to blame for everything and that it was necessary to do so, and not differently. Where else should we have laid straws? The Czechs demolish the monuments, but they, like Rafik, are not to blame for anything, they just live their own lives. And as usual we are to blame.
                        If you argue this way, the Germans are to blame for everything, they could strangle Hitler in the cradle, because they could not understand what this would lead to.

                        Anything can happen. But I have the opportunity to compare the news here and there. And people who come here on business trips, on holidays and by invitation, are generally different, even in terms of their social level. From there and look. Do you think he is too subjective?

                        No, I don’t think, just to say that life is getting worse, I can’t.

                        Is that an excuse? Again the tips are to blame?

                        Why? It just happened so historically. Uneven development, plus the capital. It happens. Compare New York with Detroit. Or do you have all the cities the same?

                        But the distribution system of industrial enterprises is somewhat different; everyone does not climb into Berlin.

                        Industrial enterprises also do not go to Moscow, people of "mental labor" gather there rather. Industry is more likely in other regions. Not all, of course, in the capital is also enough, everything was concentrated there, industry, management. Even a missile defense system around Moscow was made. Excessive concentration is an echo of past planning. Here we can confidently say that it was not without advice. yes
                      4. Bitter Offline Bitter
                        Bitter (Gleb) April 14 2020 22: 09
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                        If you talk like that ...

                        The most important matters were decided by our ancestors in 1945 and no g (l) avnyuk had the right that simple, with a condachka, it was all unilaterally to abolish, sell, and surrender. They didn’t shed blood there. Rebuild, yes, as much as you like. Hand over, no. So, yes, they are to blame for the fact that the monuments are demolished and not only.
                      5. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 14 2020 22: 35
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                        Well now. The figures have done.
                        Mikhail Sergeyevich, if by chance you meet in a pizzeria, say hello. Fiery. sad
                      6. Bitter Offline Bitter
                        Bitter (Gleb) April 15 2020 22: 37
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                        Not so simple, otherwise it would be a queue - wow. laughing
  • cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 10 2020 22: 05
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    In fact, according to the law of the genre, “asking to be handed over” is impossible. Ask to buy - you can.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) April 11 2020 00: 36
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      In fact, according to the law of the genre, “asking to be handed over” is impossible. Ask to buy - you can.

      Do you think it's all about money? I doubt if this is so, it would be enough to voice the amount.
      1. cmonman Offline cmonman
        cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 11 2020 17: 02
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        Again, according to the law of business, the Czechs will not say “buy”, but if the Russian Ministry of Defense said “we will buy and take it out,” the Czechs would gladly sell it - they do not need it.
        “Ask to give” is among the poor. “Would you like to sell?” is a business business.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) April 11 2020 17: 17
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          Here on the website the article came out:

          “Do not interfere in our affairs”: Czechs on Russia's reaction to the demolition of the monument to Konev

          It is written there:

          After that, the Czech Foreign Ministry advised Russia not to disturb the Czech state authorities anymore and to negotiate "receiving a monument to Marshal Konev" with "its owner" (Prague-6 district.).

          Conscious actions, he does not intend to smooth out the conflict. request And the "owners" are still "local spill svidomites", they would rather saw it apart.
          1. cmonman Offline cmonman
            cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 11 2020 17: 24
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            ... they are more likely to cut it into pieces.

            Cut to pieces - pay for work! And pickup is also not free.
            Therefore, the Russian Ministry of Defense should appeal to the district in Prague with a request to sell. Nothing personal just business.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) April 11 2020 17: 33
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              In April 2020, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu wrote a letter to the Czech Defense Minister Lubomir Metnar asking him to hand over the monument to Marshal Ivan Konev to Russia: “I ask you to hand over the monument to the Russian Federation as soon as possible. We expect information from you about the place and time of its transfer. If the solution to this problem requires financial expenses, we are ready to fully pay them ”
              1. cmonman Offline cmonman
                cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 11 2020 17: 42
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                Well, the Czechs answered correctly. The monument is on the finances of the Prague district, and the district leadership should be addressed. Czech government cannot indicate a district or transmit a request.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) April 11 2020 18: 18
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                  If the leadership of one country wants to do something, the other country turns to its leadership, and does not act directly. Those in their direction meet halfway and settle the problem within their country or "politely send", which, in fact, they did.
                  1. cmonman Offline cmonman
                    cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 11 2020 20: 02
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                    Last year was the first time in Prague - a beautiful city, “occupied” by Russian speakers. Ask one of them to go to the Russian embassy and show Shoigu's correspondence with the Czechs. The embassy will untwist everything, find someone to contact ... laughing
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) April 11 2020 21: 21
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                      Nobody needs to go to the embassy, ​​they know there. yes I doubt that Prague is still "occupied" by Russian-speaking citizens. Times, you know, are not the same. No. I doubt that everything will be the same.
                      You can, of course, humor on this subject, but I doubt that this is correct. You can pretend that it does not concern you and nothing happens, and you do not understand what this may lead to in the end. It all starts small and this is a small first step.
                      Warsaw, for example, was also "occupied" by Russian-speaking citizens until recently, but Poland is practically a mono-ethnic country. Remind me how and when she became like this? The history is not so ancient, less than a century has passed.
                      1. cmonman Offline cmonman
                        cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 11 2020 21: 28
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                        I doubt that Prague is still "occupied" by Russian-speaking citizens. Times, you know, are not the same ...

                        Just like those! Czechs entered the EU, but they have their own money, crowns, not the euro, so everything is much cheaper than in Europe, not to mention the United States. Fully Russian-speaking .... !!!
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 11 2020 22: 04
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                        Quarantine in the yard.
                  2. Bitter Offline Bitter
                    Bitter (Gleb) April 12 2020 23: 55
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                    beautiful city, “occupied” by Russian speakers.

                    Well, of course, there are a lot of people, but most of them are from Ukraine.
                    How to make noise, then in Russian, but how to answer, so immediately - "no, no. We are from Ukraine." laughing
                    1. cmonman Offline cmonman
                      cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 13 2020 01: 13
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                      Thank you, I didn’t know ...! drinks