The Saudis took an unjustified risk: who will win the "oil war"


The statements made today from all the main “poles” of the oil confrontation allow us to draw only one reasonable conclusion: contrary to all expectations, we should not expect stabilization in the near future.


The controversy for world markets of “black gold” is not nearly complete - it is in the phase when it is quite possible to expect a further aggravation of the conflict, fraught with completely unpredictable consequences for the economies of the countries that got into it. And besides, too much uncertainty factor contributes to everything that happens is the main “black swan” of our days - the COVID-19 pandemic.

It's time to get used to the new realities


Alas, the misfortune of all those who, in the usual way, have assessed and interpreted the main news on the "oil issue", he is in a hurry to draw far-reaching conclusions, is that the analysis is carried out in the realities of the old, "pre-coronavirus" world. That is, those geopolitical alignments that now seem to be worth forgetting forever. I confess - I myself have sinned like that. After all, it would seem that everything is extremely transparent and clear: the presidents of the United States and Russia have finally come to an agreement on the cessation of the “lawlessness” that is currently taking place in the sphere of energy supplies. We talked thoughtfully, seriously, with all possible mutual understanding and respect ... It just turned out that the agreements between the two world leaders - Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump for the final solution of the issue in the current realities are completely insufficient! Saudi Arabia, as they say, "has bitten the bit" and continues to do things that make the energy ministers stand on end in both Moscow and Washington. The flow of oil from the Middle East is not only unabated - it is becoming more powerful, despite the real needs of importers and the most basic common sense. One gets the impression that Riyadh has decided to show the rest of the world the oil "Kuz'kin mother", even at the cost of the complete destruction of its own economics. By the way, if someone thinks that the sheikhs are doing fine today, then he is mistaken in the most profound way. The oil sector of Saudi Arabia is experiencing a fall to the level of August 2009, and in the UAE, the indices reflecting its state have the lowest values ​​in history. All other industries, at least their non-state segments, are also in deep decline and crisis.

And yet, as soon as the OPEC + “big deal” nominally in effect until April 1 ordered it to live officially for a long time, Riyadh, as it was threatened, “turned off the tap” even more - Saudi Aramco's oil supply exceeded a record 12 million barrels . All this looks like some kind of crazy bravado of suicide bombers, but this is exactly what happens. Representatives of the company write on Twitter:

We are proud to have loaded 15 million barrels into 18,8 oil tankers!

And this despite the fact that ocean fillers are increasingly falling off from the mooring wall, generally without a specific destination. Such "gentlemen of oil fortune", traveling across the seas, catch on the waves a chance that the cargo overflowing their tanks will be possible to attach at least somewhere. At the same time, Riyadh is trying hard to expose Russia as the culprit of everything that is happening and to relieve himself, his beloved. The other day, a statement was made by the head of the Saudi Arabian Foreign Ministry Faisal bin Farhan al-Said that the statement by Moscow of an absolutely obvious fact: once again the Saudi’s ardent desire to test the shale oil production in the USA for strength, “is completely devoid of truth.” It’s all the Russians to blame! They refused to agree. Why, it is completely incomprehensible - but this is precisely their malice. And we, peaceful and kind, white and fluffy, like our beloved camels ... Only one thing categorically does not fit into the framework of such "logic", though so inconvenient that it completely breaks all the "arguments" of the main diplomat Riyadh. If everything is as he says, then why is it precisely his country, which does not want to listen to anyone’s arguments, that is increasing oil production and its deliveries today? There is no other explanation than the desire to insist on one’s own worth at any cost, taking advantage of the chaos in the world.

Survive the pandemic


By the way, Washington also understands this. The same Donald Trump just yesterday, and not even on his favorite Twitter, but publicly, in the process of communicating with the press, declared OPEC "an illegal organization and a cartel," adding that "he had been against him all his life." The president also said that "this monopoly" does not just behave fundamentally wrong, but specifically "acts unfairly towards the United States." Such accusations, sounding from Washington at such a high level, rightly speaking, should have made Riyadh think hard. Especially in combination with the fact that they were expressed in conjunction with the American leader's confirmed willingness "to save tens of thousands of jobs in the United States to impose duties on any crude oil" - both from Saudi Arabia and from Russia. However, the claims made by Trump against OPEC make it clear who exactly he sees as the main culprit in the problems. Moreover, the Russians for the Americans are old and familiar rivals in every sense, but they are unlikely to want to have "a lot of Arabs who understand themselves" as an additional headache. It may turn out that just these will be taken to "put in place" - the blessing and levers for this Washington has more than enough. What can not be said about his capabilities in relation to our country ... Trump today is in an extremely delicate position - his administration is literally stormed by oil workers demanding help, support, quotas, benefits, but, most importantly, an end to the "price drop" on energy resources, which turns their business into a deliberately unprofitable occupation. As far as is known, one of the President's meetings with representatives of this sector of the economy (first of all, “shale producers”) took place last Friday and was by no means rosy.

On the other hand, representatives of oil refineries are “pressing” on him, begging not to introduce any duties - after all, then the price of gasoline will rise again. Wherever you go, there is a wedge everywhere ... At the same time, according to Trump himself, the most difficult period in the country's fight against the pandemic is "still ahead." The President speaks of "the coming week", but it is clearly felt that his optimism is becoming more and more cautious. This, however, is not surprising given that in terms of the number of infected people, the United States came out on top in the world (more than 330 thousand people at the time of this writing), and in terms of the number of deaths from COVID-19, they are also at the very top of the list, far ahead of China. In Saudi Arabia, the same UAE, according to official statistics, everything is still quite well - there are sick and even deaths from the coronavirus, but in quantities that do not come close to the horrific figures of Europe or the United States. However, it is still far from known how the situation there will develop in the future. And, by the way, the prospects of the Arab oil industry are, perhaps, much more influenced by the incidence of the virus in the countries where this oil is produced, but just in the states that until recently were its main consumers. The first quarter was the worst for energy markets in their entire existence, not so much because of the collapse of the OPEC + deal, but because of the absolutely unprecedented stagnation that gripped the world economy. The rejection of aviation fuel alone on a global scale has reduced the demand for "black gold" in a way that no trader had dreamed of in the worst nightmares. And plus another stop of industry and land transport ... French Total in early March this year closed its Grandpuits refinery, calculating that the amount of fuel that it can sell is not worth the cost of its production. Refineries are shutting down one by one around the world, including the United States. In Italy, they are already thinking about closing gas stations.

Most likely, in the current "oil war" the one who has the least "safety margin" will lose. No matter how much the Arabs flood the market with almost free raw materials, they will not be able to keep such prices forever. The dependence of the Saudi budget on oil prices is an order of magnitude higher than that of Russia. In this sense, this is a completely unjustified risk for Riyadh - the Arabs decided to dig a hole for themselves, flooding the world market with super-cheap oil. In addition, the American bank Goldman Sachs has a very original theory that in the future those energy suppliers who will be able to offer consumers more convenient logistics, and whose raw materials will be cheaper to transport, will benefit significantly in the future. Russia has undoubted advantages here, at least in relation to the European market. The next video conference in the OPEC + format is scheduled for April 9, dedicated to reducing the level of "black gold" production. Riyadh is already hinting with might and main that the virtual "meeting", originally scheduled for today, has again been postponed due to the "intractability of Moscow." The Russian side, on the other hand, does not hide its own position - all market participants, and not just one, should reduce the rate of operation of drilling rigs. Until the last moment, the problematic party was just the United States, making it clear that it was only Arabs and Russians who had to "sort things out" between themselves, and they did not intend to give up a single barrel. Nevertheless, it seems that this seemingly unshakable position has also cracked. It became known that the Texas oilmen are ready to consider reducing production at their fields by 10%. A significant number of representatives of the “shale industry” express a consolidated agreement on the decrease in activity until the price of “black gold” is acceptable for their business. If the United States will be ready to "turn on the tap" in its own country, then, I would like to believe, for the hot guys from the Middle East they will have arguments that are weighty enough to be listened to.

One way or another, but, according to serious market analysts, even the achievement on April 9 of certain agreements, the result of which will be the cessation of completely unbalanced and clearly excessive supplies, no matter where they come from, will not fundamentally solve the problem. Yes, energy prices are stabilizing somewhat, but to what extent and for how long is impossible to say now. The only way out of the crisis for oil exporters can only be the recession of the pandemic, the restoration of international and domestic transport links in the world, as well as a new "inclusion" of the economy. Only then will it be possible to talk about the need to immediately end the "oil wars" and return to normal energy markets. The one who comes to this moment with the least losses, in fact, will be able to claim the status of the winner.
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  1. mor7d Offline mor7d
    mor7d (mor7d) April 6 2020 09: 24
    -4
    The other day, a statement was made by the Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia, Faisal bin Farhan al-Said

    The Foreign Minister confirmed that this information is completely far from the truth, and also that the Kingdom has not withdrawn from the agreement, namely Russia has withdrawn from the agreement. While the Kingdom and 22 other countries tried to convince Russia to make further reductions and extend the agreement, but Russia did not agree.
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 6 2020 09: 43
      +4
      Russia did not withdraw from the current agreement. Moscow was against the new mining restrictions that the Saudis proposed. No need to replace concepts. In the form in which the OPEC + agreement was originally signed, we were ready to comply.
      1. mor7d Offline mor7d
        mor7d (mor7d) April 6 2020 09: 47
        -2
        did not withdraw from the current agreement

        I didn’t leave the current one, but I didn’t want to sign a new one. What is wrong here? Who left the OPEC + Summit? Saudis? No, the Russian Federation.
        1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 09: 49
          -4
          And now, it seems, they are asking again?
          1. mor7d Offline mor7d
            mor7d (mor7d) April 6 2020 09: 51
            -2
            In light of this, the Minister (Faisal ibn Farhan ibn Abdallah) expressed surprise at the falsification of facts and the hope that the Russian Federation would make the right decisions at the urgent meeting to which the Kingdom called on the OPEC + countries and a group of other countries in order to reach a fair agreement that restore the desired balance in the oil markets.
          2. mor7d Offline mor7d
            mor7d (mor7d) April 6 2020 09: 53
            -2
            And now, they ask back?

            It suddenly dawned on that:
            1. The price has fallen.
            2. Buy less.
            3. Energy superpower on the verge of ... ruin.
            1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
              Rum rum (Rum rum) April 6 2020 19: 34
              +4
              Quote: mor7d
              It suddenly dawned on that:
              1. The price has fallen.
              2. Buy less.
              3. Energy superpower on the verge of ... ruin.

              Dear, are you in yourself? Read the Blumerg, Deutsch Velch, National Interest, Washington Post.
              I can throw links.
              Not everything is great, but "on the brink of ruin"? - You’ve got enough.
          3. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
            Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 6 2020 09: 57
            +2
            Trump’s call to Putin with a proposal to discuss oil prices can hardly be called a “petition from Moscow”.
          4. The comment was deleted.
          5. stef13ch Offline stef13ch
            stef13ch (Yadykin) April 6 2020 13: 06
            -1
            It looks like a pig on a hedgehog ..!
            Putin is right ..!
            1. stef13ch Offline stef13ch
              stef13ch (Yadykin) April 6 2020 13: 08
              +2
              The Russian side does not hide its own position - all market participants, and not just one, should reduce the pace of work of drilling rigs.
        2. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 6 2020 09: 56
          +2
          Not to sign a new agreement and get out of the old are fundamentally different things. Once again: Russia was ready to comply with the terms of the current agreement, and new proposals - this is a new agreement. Therefore, blaming Moscow for the exit is not correct. Sorry, if you are offered unprofitable restrictions, no one is required to sign anything.
          1. mor7d Offline mor7d
            mor7d (mor7d) April 6 2020 09: 57
            -2
            Not to sign a new agreement and get out of the old are fundamentally different things

            Do you argue with yourself? I dare not get into a conversation.
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 6 2020 10: 01
              +3
              You are trying to make Russia guilty of not wanting to sign a new agreement with the Saudis. Imagine that you have a loan at 5% per annum. You pay it responsibly, the repayment period is coming to an end ... You do not mind taking a new loan at the same interest rates, but the bank already offers you 12% per annum. You naturally refuse. Who's guilty?
              1. mor7d Offline mor7d
                mor7d (mor7d) April 6 2020 10: 04
                -7
                Are you trying to make Russia guilty

                I just want to say that the Russian Federation and only the Russian Federation is the culprit of the current crisis and the "oil war". No more.
                1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 6 2020 10: 08
                  +2
                  Well, I specifically cited for you an example of how unfavorable conditions can offer you. Will you be guilty of not taking a 12% loan? I think no. Here, in principle, there is no guilty party. One offered, the other refused, for which he had every right. It would be another matter if Russia tore off the agreement. Here the fault of Moscow would be obvious.
                2. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
                  Rum rum (Rum rum) April 6 2020 19: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: mor7d
                  I just want to say that the Russian Federation and only the Russian Federation is the culprit of the current crisis and the "oil war". No more.

                  Seriously?
                  Perhaps Russia will cease to extract oil altogether so that the USA and KSA can do pleasant things? And do not pee on the back? To smell of the sea.
                3. Smirnoff Offline Smirnoff
                  Smirnoff (Victor) April 7 2020 17: 10
                  +3
                  Russia was not a supporter of the termination of the OPEC + deal.
                  Russia advocated its extension without any additional conditions that the Saudis put forward under US pressure !!!

                  The Americans were preparing the oil war against Russia, by the hands of the Saudis, long before April 1, when the contract expired between the OPEC + countries.
                  The dates of its beginning, they have long agreed with their Saudi puppets.
                  Here you have the American oil terrorism against Russia in action-atrocities.

                  The ruling circles of the United States decided to crank up the oil scam, playing on increasing oil production, with their puppets of Saudis, to ruin Russia with low oil prices and move it to the raw materials market. But what happened! Russia did not fall apart, but STANDED, and moreover, in the USA there is a collapse of oil industry, which the United States did not even imagine.

                  The Americans, building oil plans with the Saudis against Russia, did not take into account the viral epidemic, which was gaining momentum and also helped bring down oil prices, but confused all US oil maps.
                  And if it weren’t for the virus, it’s still unknown if this US oil SCAM could help them ruin Russia with low prices for raw materials.

                  However, in fact, we see that Russia has not collapsed and, contrary to US plans, is developing confidently and is fighting the American coronavirus.
                  Thus, now Russia has a unique HISTORICAL chance of a very POWERFUL answer to the USA to the illegal sanctions that they imposed against us.
        3. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
          Rum rum (Rum rum) April 6 2020 19: 23
          +3
          1. There is a difference - “leave everything as it is” (Russia) and “increase production” (KSA).
          2. Russia supported the previous decline.
          3. Russia is not obliged to support all OPEC + decisions.
          1. mor7d Offline mor7d
            mor7d (mor7d) April 7 2020 07: 52
            -3
            Russia is not obliged to support all OPEC + decisions.

            No, not obligated. She then leaves OPEC +. A cartel, while OPEC is a cartel, is wonderful.
    2. Smirnoff Offline Smirnoff
      Smirnoff (Victor) April 6 2020 12: 02
      +3
      The United States and the Saudis DID Russia an oil hole, and fell into it themselves.

      The world oil market today is in a fever due to the fault of the US Oil CONSENT and the Saudis against Russia. The United States picked up the Saudis on an oil hook and forced them to withdraw from their OPEC + agreements.
      The Americans promised the Saudis to enter the American oil market and, by lowering their oil prices, to gain great advantages over other market players.
      All last year and the beginning of this, the United States put pressure on the Saudis to lower oil prices by raising production to ruin Russia.
      The Saudis really liked the cheap trick offered by the USA and they bought the American trick to enter the American market with cheap oil.
      The largest oil market in the world.

      However, the global coronavirus pandemic has confused the United States and the Saudis with all their insidious oil conspiracies against Russia.

      The Saudis, having withdrawn from the OPEC + agreement, have now lost, according to various expert estimates, from 40 to 60 percent of oil volumes.
      The ghostly strategy of the Saudis, in the US oil market, Failed.
      On the one hand, dumping is the sale of its US oil at low prices in order to capture the American market, and on the other it is an attempt to enter the capital of shale oil producers and put them under their control of oil.

      The US authorities will not allow the Saudis to do this, because this is a political issue and plus this is the USA BAM, which the Saudis bought into.
      The United States has long ruled the territory of the Saudis and cranked up various political, economic, military and espionage SCAMs there for the benefit of the United States, while the Saudis get leftovers from the lordly democratic table.
      The Saudis, following the lead of the United States, were themselves in a deep oil crisis.
      Most of all, in the oil crisis, the United States and the Saudis lost.
      Russia also lost, but not by much, in comparison with them.
      The duration of the crisis will lead to the collapse of the US oil industry and the Saudis, and Russia will emerge from the crisis with less loss.

      Russia stands for equal cooperation, so that the three major world oil players Russia, the USA and the Saudis sit at the negotiating table and for three resolve issues of overcoming the oil crisis.
      Reduce production on a parity basis for the next three months, followed by a simultaneous increase in production as the global economy recovers.
      This will allow us to impose obligations on the United States - to limit American oil production in the world market.
      Before the crisis, the United States only GRAVED and did not cut anything.
      Trump nods to Russia and the Saudis so that they cut, and the US itself is not going to cut.
      Trump did not promise anyone.
      According to the insidious plans of the United States, Russia and the Saudis should do this, and the United States will continue to tell the Saudis how and what to do to annoy and harm Russia.

      However, Trump cannot understand that completely different times have come and there is NO way back to return to past CAPTURES.
      The Americans, as before, want to dictate to everyone the oil conditions, and they themselves owe nothing to anyone.
      They can still dictate to the Saudis, but Russia will not succeed.
      Now Russia already has historical advantages forcing the United States to cut oil production.
      And the Americans have nowhere to go.
      If not cut, then US shale oil will completely BURN.
      This threatens disaster for the United States and its entire economy of capture and enslavement, and Russia will not make US concessions !!!
      Russia does not owe anything to anyone, but it is ready to reduce oil production on an equal basis, and not unilaterally, according to American criminal democratic wishes.
      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 12: 57
        -3
        Where do you usually look for such fierce nonsense? After all, the whole office of loafers, at the expense of our taxes, sit and compose all this garbage. Peter-1 on your profile picture for you all the time blush, it seems, have to.
      2. mor7d Offline mor7d
        mor7d (mor7d) April 7 2020 07: 53
        -2
        The United States and the Saudis DID Russia an oil hole, and fell into it themselves

        Not certainly in that way. Rather, the Russian Federation tried to dig a US oil pit, and fell into it itself.
  2. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 6 2020 10: 23
    +5
    The problem went beyond normal resolution. Oil consumption fell to a record level. Suppose even that they agree to a reduction in production. How much should be reduced? Unknown The vaults are full. The world can easily live 2-3 months without any oil supplies. The Saudis are definitely crazy.
    From this point of view, the agreement of the 9th may not take place at all. There is no point. A completely different agreement is needed - on the division of spheres of influence. But at this moment, in general, no one agrees.
    1. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) April 6 2020 11: 29
      +1
      It’s necessary to negotiate, everything needs to be reduced. Trump can not afford, especially before the election, to announce a reduction. They say Putin’s agent surrendered everything. Apparently, they expect a reduction in US production by the required amount in fact.
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 6 2020 11: 53
        +2
        Most likely, OPEC ordered to live long without any advantages. There will be no meeting on April 9th. Could not agree. A big slate and fiery greetings ... and Trump too.

        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) April 6 2020 12: 00
          +1
          So, not everything that was required was managed to close. Let's wait. yes
          There is, here, in my opinion, a rather interesting opinion:

          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 6 2020 12: 14
            +2
            Only normal people can understand this. People like Trump and his fans cannot understand this in principle. Trump's statements can no longer be trusted. Nobody can agree to cut production now. Such an agreement would mean that the Saudis must admit defeat, Trump will lose the elections, and Russia ... just that Russia has nowhere to rush and it will cut it by a maximum of 1 million barrels. While others will also cut production. So, the link is quite adequate.
            It is incomprehensible completely different. What is REAL world oil consumption and what is REAL production.
            I see the reformatting of the oil market according to this scenario: refusal of non-deliverable futures on exchanges, division of sales markets, a force ban on smuggled oil production and real reports on oil production, transportation and refining. So far this is all from the realm of fantasy. But I do not see another option yet.
            1. Smirnoff Offline Smirnoff
              Smirnoff (Victor) April 7 2020 16: 44
              +1
              What is REAL world oil consumption and what is REAL production.

              We must wait.
              The Pentagon Coronavirus will show everyone how much a pound of American LIHA and the Saudi Oil OPIUM for their people :-))). Like this!
          2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 12: 51
            -3
            Cartoons have already gone. Everything as usual.
            1. 123 Online 123
              123 (123) April 6 2020 13: 06
              +1
              Do not look, the head may get sick. smile
            2. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 6 2020 14: 00
              -1
              Quote: Arkharov
              Cartoons have already gone. Everything as usual.

              Arkharov, and you should apologize. You, without watching the video, unfoundedly and unprovenly accused the commentator of distributing cartoons.
              1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 14: 04
                -1
                And what, the animation?
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) April 6 2020 14: 46
                  -1
                  Arkharov, Yuri Podolyaka?
          3. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) April 6 2020 13: 53
            -2
            123, a wonderful movie. Thanks!
        2. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) April 6 2020 14: 29
          -1
          BakhtWill Saudis have enough oil for a long time?
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 6 2020 14: 33
            +2
            Nobody knows that. Matthew Simmons claimed that the peak of production was passed long ago. Before the Senate hearing, accidentally drowned in his pool. Or in the bath. I don’t remember exactly what they wrote about his death. The heart could not stand it.
            He did not compare the declared production volumes, but the cargo plans of tankers passing through the port of Rotterdam and other oil fields. And he argued that the Saudis in the best of times produced no more than 7-8 million barrels.
            But after him, no one wants to die in their own pool.

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Симмонс,_Мэттью
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 6 2020 15: 35
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              ... after him, no one wants to die in their own pool.

              Thank you.
              1. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 6 2020 16: 09
                +3
                Not at all .... There is a lot of conflicting information. The same Simmons was heavily criticized. There are many links on the Internet, both for and against his allegations. But he believed that no one has exact numbers. The largest field of Saudi Arabia (and the world) Gavar has been in operation for over 50 years. It certainly had to go through the peak of production. But ... continues to show an increase in production.
                I understand that technology is improving. Exploration work is currently underway on the 4D methodology for monitoring production. But all this data is sealed in TNK safes. There is no access to them.
                This is a rather interesting and extensive topic. But I am not an analyst. I am a simple engineer.
    2. mor7d Offline mor7d
      mor7d (mor7d) April 7 2020 07: 55
      -2
      Saudis are definitely crazy

      Why are the Saudis? The Russian Federation refused to reduce production, and the Saudis went crazy.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 6 2020 10: 35
    0
    Yes ... Everyone writes what he wants. Now and then. They all bent, then they lost ...
    And most importantly - about distant dudes whom no one has ever seen and will not see ...... but still they are bad.
    1. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) April 6 2020 12: 01
      0
      And most importantly - about distant dudes whom no one has ever seen and will not see ...... but still they are bad.

      Have you ever seen Rogozin or Miller?
  4. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 6 2020 10: 49
    +2
    We are proud to have loaded 15 million barrels into 18,8 oil tankers!

    This phrase is the most interesting. No offense to the author. The article is written, but there is no analysis and no conclusions. Well, except maybe the Saudis are crazy.
    But it would be nice to indicate for what period the shipment occurred? When did it happen? I had to delve into the Internet myself. This is the data for one day on April 1, 2020. A normal tanker is 2 million barrels (300 thousand tons). They used to be called supertankers. Now it is a standard class VLCC (Very Large Crude Carrier) tanker. But 18,8 million barrels for 15 tankers, which means tankers with a deadweight of 100 to 150 thousand tons. I do not consider incomplete downloads. Not the right time.
    But these are the details. Almost 19 million barrels of Saudi did not produce in one day. So they are emptying their oil storage facilities. And overwhelming foreign. Pay for storage, for freight. But there is no buyer. Are you crazy? Unlikely. They have a calculation, but will it be justified?

    Two blondes:
    - Tell me, is a marriage of convenience happy?
    - Of course it does. If the calculation is correct!

    The coup d'etat in Saudi ripened long ago. Or the offensive of the Hussites. It depends on who undertakes to restore order there.
    1. mor7d Offline mor7d
      mor7d (mor7d) April 7 2020 07: 58
      -2
      Well, except maybe the Saudis are crazy

      Yes, why. The Russian Federation has left the cartel, announced that it is increasing production, that it does not want to reduce production, and the Saudis are crazy?

      Saudi coup d'état long overdue

      It happens under your nose, and you talk about some kind of Arabian kings.
  5. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 6 2020 11: 06
    +2
    Gentlemen, comrades, the world has fallen into a perfect storm. We are waiting for a fall, from which we will get out of the years. Compared to this, the prices for stinky slurry are so secondary ... Well, they will be 10 bucks more expensive, in principle, this will not affect anything.
    For Russia, generally lower prices are better, then we will have no choice but to stop eating up natural resources and do something more worthy.
    1. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) April 6 2020 11: 30
      0
      For Russia, generally lower prices are better, then we will have no choice but to stop eating up natural resources and do something more worthy.

      What, for example?
      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 12: 49
        -2
        What 90% of the world does. And so many succeed.
        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) April 6 2020 13: 06
          +1
          What 90% of the world does. And so many succeed.

          And what?
          1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 14: 09
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            Low-resource, high-tech economy with a high degree of redivision.
            1. 123 Online 123
              123 (123) April 6 2020 14: 11
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              Low-resource, high-tech economy with a high degree of redivision.

              Are you talking about 90% of the world? belay I understand quarantine and all that, but stop celebrating drinks
              1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 14: 37
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                Civilized, naturally.
                1. 123 Online 123
                  123 (123) April 6 2020 14: 43
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                  Does the "civilized world" have coordinates?
      2. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 6 2020 13: 12
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        Do you think the Russians are no longer capable of anything, except how to pick out natural resources from the earth and sell for bucks? Yes, my friend, Russophobe.
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          123 (123) April 6 2020 13: 53
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          Oh, well done. good I thought it up, made a conclusion from my own assumptions and managed to call for it. belay So you need to be able to twist. Are you Worried? smile First, are you a telepath to read my mind? belay Secondly, only ignorant and limited individuals can believe that in Russia, apart from mining, there is nothing.
          Secondly, since when has the sale of raw materials been considered an unworthy business? You can look at world practice, there will be a desire - write to Trump, let him break the oil rigs. I also recommend that you go deeper into history and see what the USSR exported.
          In one you are right

          sell for bucks

          - it basically doesn’t work out differently, but it's temporary.
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            isofat (isofat) April 6 2020 15: 05
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            123, I called him not so long ago verbiage, 321 I am sure that this is a real Sausage fighter. You suspect that he is Vyvortoten. And he himself believes that he liberal. smile
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              123 (123) April 6 2020 15: 25
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              It happens, some consider themselves Napoleons. yes
              1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 6 2020 23: 52
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                123 isofat That's why I love cheers, it’s for their nobility, discussing behind the back of another is so worthy. Just five points.
                isofat How old are you? My notion about a sausage wrestler is not a very adult thing anyway, but to go down to the level of "no, you are like this, no, you are like that" - this is quite a kindergarten.
                1. 123 Online 123
                  123 (123) April 7 2020 00: 29
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                  Sorry for not being informed. hi Correspondence, like, in the public domain, no one hides.
                2. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) April 7 2020 00: 33
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                  Quote: Oleg Rambover
                  123 isofat That's why I love the cheers-patriots, it’s for their nobility, discussing behind the back of another is so worthy.

                  There is no back on the site, do not invent, everything is open.

                  Personally. Oleg RamboverI call you verbiage 321 sure that you are a real Sausage fighter. 123 suspected that you are Worothothen. Do you yourself think that you are a liberal?
                  You can not answer.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 7 2020 10: 05
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                    Well, how can you not answer. So much better. Good old cheers patriotic rudeness. It remains only to repeat that rudeness is a sign of weakness, when knowledge and ingenuity is not enough to answer on the topic.
                    And yes, you say to the respected 321, this good man never allowed himself to say "sausage fighter", you are lying stupidly in this.
                    Stepping someone else's idea ... Are you unable to come up with your own?
                    Picked up hamsters.
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                      isofat (isofat) April 7 2020 10: 50
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                      Oleg Rambover. The liberals all lie, all louts ... This is not original.
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    2. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 6 2020 23: 35
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      Quote: 123
      Oh, well done. I thought it up, made a conclusion from my own assumptions and managed to call for it. So you need to be able to twist. Are you Worried?

      Oh, I had an excellent teacher, a certain 123 constantly did this in conversations with me. It seems like more recently something like that I told you. And as something similar is being done to you, so immediately complain.

      Quote: 123
      Secondly, only ignorant and limited individuals can believe that in Russia, apart from mining, there is nothing.
      Secondly, since when has the sale of raw materials been considered an unworthy business? You can look at world practice, there will be a desire - write to Trump, let him break the oil rigs. I also recommend that you go deeper into history and see what the USSR exported.

      Secondly, I completely agree with you, grain, metal, even IT is already comparable to arms export. So it is necessary to develop these growths or others.

      Secondly, it became an unworthy thing in 1959 with the discovery of the Groningen gas field.
      No, for Nigeria this is a worthy occupation, but for Russia with its level of education at the level of the first countries of the world, this industry should not be decisive.

      Quote: 123
      it basically doesn’t work out differently, but it’s temporary.

      Undoubtedly, nothing lasts forever under the moon, it’s only a pity that neither me nor you live in this beautiful time.
      1. 123 Online 123
        123 (123) April 7 2020 00: 51
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        Oh, I had an excellent teacher, a certain 123 constantly did this in conversations with me. Like, just recently, something like that I told you. And as something similar is being done to you, so immediately complain.

        Glad I found it useful. hi Only it is not clear about complaints, I’m not accustomed to sneak.

        Secondly, I completely agree with you, grain, metal, even IT is already comparable to arms export. So it is necessary to develop these growths or others.

        Firstly, they are already being developed. Secondly, the development of these industries does not mean at all that it is necessary to stop trading in oil. The oil and gas industry is also developing, sometimes faster than others, what now - to stop everything? So that by the numbers it seems that we are not so raw? In terms of these indicators, we will never be equal to Japan. They have no minerals and they stupidly cannot sell them. In addition, the extraction and transportation of minerals is developing industry, such as pipes, drilling equipment, tankers and so on.

        Secondly, it became an unworthy thing in 1959 with the discovery of the Groningen gas field.

        Very strange statement. The Netherlands discovered a gas field and trading gas and oil became an unworthy occupation? belay

        No, for Nigeria this is a worthy occupation, but for Russia with its level of education at the level of the first countries of the world, this industry should not be decisive.

        Everything is simple. The industry works, makes a profit, why should it be ruined? For your reassurance? Yes, in a wooden pea jacket in white Czechs, in this case I saw your peace of mind.
        With what fright is it decisive? Stop talking nonsense that we live only at the expense of oil. Yes, oil and gas more than 40% of exports, but we do not live on one export. We are not Bedouins who all buy for oil. A quote from a fresh article, the opinion of the British (such data have been met repeatedly, look for laziness)

        Decision makers in Saudi Arabia overlooked an obvious fact: in Russia, oil revenues account for 16% of gross national income, unlike the kingdom, where oil accounts for 90% of budget revenues.

        https://inosmi.ru/economic/20200406/247202271.html


        Note 16% of GDP. But you are sure that we got a bucket of oil, drove it to the market, bought a bucket of grain and we will get to the next sale.

        Undoubtedly, nothing lasts forever under the moon, it’s only a pity that neither me nor you live in this beautiful time.

        Who knows, I'm not in a hurry yet, maybe I will also see. hi
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) April 7 2020 01: 13
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          123, so I found myself a punching bag for training, which is not a pity. smile
        2. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 7 2020 12: 55
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          Quote: 123
          Glad I found it useful. Only it is not clear about complaints, I’m not accustomed to sneak.

          Well, they didn’t complain, they were offended. That's better?

          Quote: 123
          Very strange statement. The Netherlands discovered a gas field and trading gas and oil became an unworthy occupation?

          I thought you were an ace, and you are Udvas.

          What do you need to chew all. Dutch b ..... And this is the answer to the previous paragraph, why it is bad when the commodity sectors develop faster than others.

          Quote: 123
          Pay attention to 16% of GDP.

          Everything is mixed up, people, horses.
          For some reason, your quote compares the gross national income with the budget income of the kingdom, and then you also added GDP.
          And meanwhile

          https://www.minfin.ru/ru/statistics/fedbud/execute/?id_65

          At the same time, evil tongues claim that all taxes from extractive companies such as VAT, profit are taken into account in the non-oil and gas revenues line.

          Quote: 123
          But you are sure that we got a bucket of oil, drove it to the market, bought a bucket of grain and we will get to the next sale.

          Here you again pass your thoughts as mine.

          Quote: 123
          Who knows, I'm not in a hurry yet, maybe I will also see.

          It is difficult to make so far, but I suspect that a person has not yet been born who will live to see this. At least, this does not bode well.
          1. 123 Online 123
            123 (123) April 7 2020 13: 41
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            Well, they didn’t complain, they were offended. That's better?

            Let's converge on the wording of "afflicted." laughing

            What do you need to chew all. Dutch b ...... And this is the answer to the previous paragraph, why it is bad when the commodity sectors develop faster than others.

            Those sectors of the economy are developing for which favorable conditions are developing and their products are in demand. Artificially restraining the development of the oil industry is not obvious to me.

            For some reason, your quote compares the gross national income with the budget income of the kingdom, and then you also added GDP.

            To blame, the word "income" was missed by carelessness. hi

            And meanwhile -
            At the same time, evil tongues claim that all taxes from extractive companies such as VAT, profit are taken into account in the non-oil and gas revenues line.

            I don’t know what evil languages ​​say there, I have a calculator.
            Compiled data starting from paragraph 1.2.1 and paragraph 1.2.3. I managed 22. billion rubles. This is all income associated with domestic production. Including VAT (internal) - paragraph 1.2.1.1.
            How does this data relate to paragraph 1.2. (Non-oil and gas revenues) - 12 billion rublesI hope you can count it yourself. Apparently, in paragraphs 1.1. and 1.2. Indicated export earnings. Here is such a statistic. So, do not listen to these evil tongues, it is not known where they used to be. winked

            https://www.minfin.ru/ru/statistics/fedbud/execute/

            It is difficult to make so far, but I suspect that a person has not yet been born who will live to see this. At least, this does not bode well.

            I think I was born. And it doesn’t portend anything; you are mistaken, even as it portends.
            1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 7 2020 16: 39
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              Quote: 123
              Let's converge on the phrase "upset"

              OK. Notice when you do this yourself, you are not upset.

              Quote: 123
              Those sectors of the economy are developing for which favorable conditions are developing and their products are in demand. artificially restraining the development of the oil industry is not obvious to me.

              Regarding the artificial containment of the development of the oil industry, the philosophical question is, do our descendants need oil? But you can let go of free swimming, for example, to deprive of tax benefits.

              Quote: 123
              I don’t know what evil languages ​​say there, I have a calculator.
              Compiled data starting from paragraph 1.2.1 and paragraph 1.2.3. I got 22 309,1. billion rubles. This is all income associated with domestic production. Including VAT (internal) - paragraph 1.2.1.1
              How does this data relate to paragraph 1.2. (Non-oil and gas revenues) - 12 billion rubles. I hope you can count it yourself. Apparently, in paragraphs 263.6. and 1.1. Indicated export earnings. Here is such a statistic.

              Sorry, you are not the Minister of Finance. If you add 1.2.1 to 1.2.3, you get 12 billion rubles (paragraph 263), 1.2 more than the entire budget income of 22.
              Count again.

              Quote: 123
              So do not listen to these evil tongues, it is not known where they used to be

              What is your sharp tongue.

              Quote: 123
              I think I was born. And it doesn’t portend anything; you are mistaken, even as it portends.

              While the only country in the world interested in the devaluation of the dollar is the United States itself, it is hard to imagine who could benefit from it.
              1. 123 Online 123
                123 (123) April 7 2020 18: 34
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                Regarding the artificial containment of the development of the oil industry, the philosophical question is, do our descendants need oil?

                They only need oil? What are these half measures for? Let's completely ban the export of resources, at the same time and all that is made of them. Save so save. yes I wonder why the rest of the country did not come up with such a simple thought? Will we be the first?

                But you can let go free swimming, for example, you can deprive of tax benefits.

                Yeah. market solves, we know, heard. yes First of all, why are oilmen worse than the rest? Secondly, without tax incentives, the industry will slow down, serious money is needed to develop new fields, and oil companies are pulling other industries along with them. They need equipment, electricity, the same pipes. Together with gas workers, they are exploring the Arctic, if development stops there, stop the Northern Sea Route?

                Sorry, you are not the Minister of Finance. If you add 1.2.1 to 1.2.3, you get 12 billion rubles (paragraph 263), 1.2 more than the entire budget income of 22.

                Here you are absolutely right, counted incorrectly. hi He was extremely inattentive. The head is busy with another. I realized that I’ve froze stupidity, I wanted to fix it, but I didn’t remember where to look for a message, under what article. request

                While the only country in the world interested in the devaluation of the dollar is the United States themselves, it is hard to imagine who could benefit from it.

                And what does the devaluation have to do with it? belay They probably are not against devaluation, but it is extremely dangerous for the dollar. If a currency is not stable, its value as an instrument of international payments will plummet. Such a luxury as devaluation, and therefore the cheapening of their products, they can not afford.
                1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 8 2020 13: 12
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                  Quote: 123
                  They only need oil? Why are these half measures? Let's completely prohibit the export of resources, along with everything that is made of them. Save so save. I wonder why other countries haven’t come up with such a simple idea? Will we be the first?

                  No need to exaggerate. Why did not think of it, the USA, for example, banned the export of oil until recently.

                  Quote: 123
                  First of all, why are oilmen worse than the rest? Secondly, without tax incentives, the industry will slow down, serious money is needed to develop new fields, and oil companies are pulling other industries along with them. They need equipment, electricity, the same pipes. Together with gas workers, they are exploring the Arctic, if development stops there, stop the Northern Sea Route?

                  First, why are oil companies better than others?
                  Secondly, did you read about the Dutch disease? How excessive development of the commodity sector reduces the competitiveness of other sectors. Equipment 70 percent imported? Or 75? Yes, they are probably pulling other industries in other countries. Is Arctic development necessary at all? What do you mean by that?

                  Quote: 123
                  And what does devaluation have to do with it? They are probably not against devaluation, but it is extremely dangerous for the dollar. If a currency is not stable, its value as an instrument of international payments will plummet. They cannot afford such a luxury as devaluation, and hence a reduction in the price of their products.

                  If you are talking about the collapse of the dollar, then this is not at all beneficial to anyone.
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                  123 (123) April 8 2020 15: 26
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                  No need to exaggerate. Why did not think of it, the USA, for example, banned the export of oil until recently.

                  Why exaggerate? How do other minerals differ from oil? Have they become renewable or not so sorry for them? By the way, what about the USA? Have you changed your mind?
                  If you are so categorically against the sale of oil, come to our Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug to raise alternative industries. Very promising. yes Petrochemicals is traditionally in Tobolsk, there is refining. It’s more expensive to build here, permafrost, everything on piles, and other costs more. You can deal with the forest, collect cranberries in the swamps, fish and fish and gather pine cones. By May, the snow will come down, there is a chance to do agriculture, until the September season. good In general, the oil fields can be closed and the region can be closed with a key. In Yamal, the story is the same, only even more fun, but you can graze deer in the tundra. Further north and east, the situation is not much different. But the numbers on the plate will be "worthy". yes There is simply no real alternative to the oil and gas industry. request

                  First, why are oil companies better than others?

                  And what, tax privileges only give them?

                  Secondly, did you read about the Dutch disease? How excessive development of the commodity sector reduces the competitiveness of other sectors. Equipment 70 percent imported? Or 75?

                  I am aware of the disease, and I have nothing against the development of industry. But quickly correcting the situation is very difficult. For example, in electronics, dependency in the civilian sector is 70%, in the military 15%. It is impossible to eliminate it simply by a willful decision. They work, but you should not expect quick results. Or do you know a way how to get rid of it?
                  It is possible, of course, to squeeze foreign manufacturers out of the domestic market, and the turn will come to that. In the defense industry, the "conversion" has already begun, probably, "counter-sanctions" will soon affect this sector too.

                  Is Arctic development necessary at all? What do you mean by that?

                  Right. yes Close the Northern Sea Route, icebreakers for re-melting. good Parting in the southern regions, celebrate drinks and enjoy great statistics. Why do we need Yamal, Chukotka, Kamchatka? No civilization there, and no need. Yakutsk and Salekhard will be without a railway, they have nothing to build bridges. Maybe it's better to give everything to the Japanese? Without mining, there is nothing to catch in those regions. NSR on some transit container ships will not stretch.
                  How do you imagine the development of the northern regions? It’s a mystery for me if you are counting on the emergence of the IT sector in Tiksi or the production of smartphones in Pevek, and all this with renewable energy sources, I’m afraid it’s not real. Electric cars in Yakutia will not take root soon.

                3. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 9 2020 14: 31
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                  Quote: 123
                  Why exaggerate?

                  Because I never offered to give up all exports. That you said -

                  Let's completely ban the export of resources, at the same time and all that is made of them.

                  Quote: 123
                  There is simply no real alternative to the oil and gas industry.

                  No and no, I don’t propose to close everything. The previous period of low prices how long did it last? 15 years old? What will happen to your Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug if it repeats itself?

                  Quote: 123
                  And what, tax privileges only give them?

                  It depends on what goals the state sets for itself, if such



                  - then benefits should be introduced in other sectors of the economy. If everything suits you like that, then you can leave it.

                  Quote: 123
                  It is impossible to eliminate it simply by a willful decision. They work, but you should not expect quick results. Or do you know a way how to get rid of it?

                  Undoubtedly, this takes time. Some have been peeling off the needle for 20 years. How much time do you think it takes?

                  Quote: 123
                  Without mining, there is nothing to catch in those regions.

                  How does Canada do it?
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                  123 (123) April 9 2020 16: 45
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                  Because I never offered to give up all exports. That you said -

                  I'm just saying that oil exports are no different from exports of other goods. If you think that you need to abandon the export of oil, then you must refuse to export all the resources.
                  The product is in demand on the world market, the country has a leading position. What. so take and give your market share to competitors?

                  No and no, I don’t propose to close everything. The previous period of low prices how long did it last? 15 years old? What will happen to your Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug if it repeats itself?

                  I guess nothing will happen. Revenues will naturally decline, but the economy will survive. In a pinch, the federal budget will help. The district is one of its largest donors; for many years it has allocated funds to the "common boiler" much more than it spends, and no one whines about it. If in difficult times Moscow helps with finances from the "nest egg", this is normal. We have a single country.
                  The level of profitability of oil production is reduced, including through tax incentives, they help to develop the industry. It is difficult to count on investments without them, but they require decent investments and pay off not the next day. The industry is competitive in the global market; look at today's price wars. The cost is about the same as for the Saudis, imagine what would have happened if it had been higher. And prices can fall on any product. Imagine that tomorrow, for example, the price of food will drop. What will happen in this case with agriculture?

                  It depends on what goals the state sets itself

                  I am not opposed to diversifying the economy, but doing this by artificially reducing the competitiveness of the oil industry is not worth it.

                  Undoubtedly, this takes time. Some have been peeling off the needle for 20 years. How much time do you think it takes?

                  It is not only a matter of time. This is a simplified approach. Say, they set the task to do, here’s your deadline and spin as you want. Let's look at an example of the same electronics. World leaders in the industry transferred their production to Southeast Asia, they applied their technologies, financed, and received cheap, high-quality products, which they consume in many respects.
                  In order to reach this level, it is necessary to develop technologies at the world level, or even higher, otherwise the market will not break through. Then investments are needed, and they obviously have more opportunities, because these are the largest financial centers. Finally, it is necessary to organize mass production and ensure a steady demand for products. Western corporations manufacture products for themselves in China. How to make them buy our products? They are trying to return Chinese production back home, but will they buy from Russia?
                  Not to say that nothing is being done in this direction, but it’s naive to wait for concrete results on time.
                  For example, we have such an organization of OJSC Polar Quartz:

                  http://www.rusnanonet.ru/nns/30463/info/#title

                  https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4156040

                  They are also involved in the IT industry.

                  https://uriit.ru/

                  But they are unlikely to become a real alternative to the oil and gas industry.

                  How does Canada do it?

                  What is Canada doing?
                5. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 11 2020 14: 00
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                  Quote: 123
                  I'm just saying that oil exports are no different from exports of other goods. If you think that you need to abandon the export of oil, then you must refuse to export all the resources.
                  The product is in demand on the world market, the country has a leading position. What, like this, to take and give your market share to competitors?

                  No one talks about refusing to export oil, they say that this industry must be made less profitable and attractive for investors.

                  Quote: 123
                  I guess nothing will happen. Revenues will naturally decline, but the economy will survive. In a pinch, the federal budget will help. The district is one of its largest donors; for many years it has allocated funds to the "common boiler" much more than it spends, and no one whines about it. If in difficult times Moscow helps with finances from the "nest egg", this is normal. We have a single country.

                  What an optimist you are. And what, in the 90s greatly helped your Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug?
                  It’s hard for me to imagine, but there are persistent rumors that the era of oil is ending.

                  Quote: 123
                  I am not opposed to diversifying the economy, but doing this by artificially reducing the competitiveness of the oil industry is not worth it.

                  As I understand it, you did not understand the essence of the Dutch disease, the excessive development of the oil and gas industry suppresses others. Here we argued recently about the dependence of the USSR on export imports, and so the Soviet leadership chose investments in the oil and gas sector, and could in the food sector, and not be dependent on grain imports. The returns from the oil industry are several times higher, and the Communists decided that it would be better to buy grain in the West for the proceeds from the sale of oil there than to develop their own agriculture, which has had problems since the reforms of Stalin. But for some reason you think that for the USSR this was unacceptable, but normal for the Russian Federation.

                  Quote: 123
                  It is not only a matter of time. This is a simplified approach. Say, they set the task to do, here’s your deadline and spin as you want. Let's look at an example of the same electronics. World leaders in the industry transferred their production to Southeast Asia, they applied their technologies, financed, and received cheap, high-quality products, which they consume in many respects.
                  In order to reach this level, it is necessary to develop technologies at the world level, or even higher, otherwise the market will not break through. Then investments are needed, and they obviously have more opportunities, because these are the largest financial centers.

                  Your plan is completely naive in order to reach the world level, and you need to invest in it at the world level, but this is not realistic. Russia is unable to compete with the West, but could compete with China for Western investment and technology.

                  Quote: 123
                  What is Canada doing?

                  Develops northern territories.
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                  123 (123) April 11 2020 14: 40
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                  What an optimist you are. And what, in the 90s greatly helped your Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug?

                  In the 90s, instead of reserves, Moscow had some debts, but even at that time it was a little easier to live here than in a number of regions.

                  It’s hard for me to imagine, but there are persistent rumors that the era of oil is ending.

                  When the rumors get a real foundation, write, discuss. yes If by that time we still won’t begin to communicate by the power of thought. laughing

                  As I understand it, you did not understand the essence of the Dutch disease, the excessive development of the oil and gas industry suppresses others.

                  I understood everything perfectly, but if the industry had not been sufficiently developed, they could not have opposed competitors in the global market with absolutely nothing. The level of its development is determined precisely by the need to be competitive in the world market, and not by the uniform development of industries within the country.

                  Here we argued a long time ago about the dependence of the USSR on import-export, and so the Soviet leadership chose investments in the oil and gas sector, and could in the food sector, and not be dependent on grain imports. The returns from the oil industry are several times higher, and the Communists decided that it would be better to buy grain in the West for the proceeds from the sale of oil there than to develop their own agriculture, which has had problems since the reforms of Stalin. But for some reason you think that for the USSR this was unacceptable, but normal for the Russian Federation.

                  And where did you get the idea that agriculture is abandoned? belay Are we dependent on grain exports? Are we still eating for petrodollars? The industry is developing decently. yes If the oil industry does not continue to develop at a tremendous pace, the world market is limited, and the supply is excessive, then the prospects for agriculture are excellent.

                  Your plan is completely naive in order to reach the world level, and you need to invest in it at the world level, but this is not realistic. Russia is unable to compete with the West, but could compete with China for Western investment and technology.

                  Do not make me laugh. laughing They from China are trying to take production back, why do they also need Russia? Chinese experience does not suit us. We do not need the transfer of environmentally harmful production.

                  Develops northern territories.

                  Canada? Northern territories? Is today a day of humor? Where can I learn more about development? What major cities have appeared there? Is there a developed transport infrastructure? Population increased?
                  Or what do you think development is?
  • mor7d Offline mor7d
    mor7d (mor7d) April 7 2020 08: 03
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    Do you think the Russians are no longer capable of anything, except how to pick out natural resources from the earth and sell for bucks? Yes, my friend, Russophobe.

    Facts, where are the facts? Where are the Russian products? Where are the Russian technologies? Where is at least something?
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      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 7 2020 09: 46
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      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2015/06/26/russianwatch/

      For example.
      1. mor7d Offline mor7d
        mor7d (mor7d) April 7 2020 11: 31
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        For example

        Not bad. It says that Monocrystal and Harbin Aurora Optoelectronics Technology are suppliers, but due to the fall of the ruble, Monocrystal has become more competitive. Those. before, before the ruble fell, he could not compete with Harbin Aurora? And only after the implementation of the plans, the single crystal will occupy 30 percent of the world market, but how much now, before the implementation of the plans?
        1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 7 2020 13: 01
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          I don’t know, but it says that we can do something. But due to a bias towards the raw materials sector, the rest are developing worse. Dutch disease is called.
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          123 (123) April 7 2020 18: 59
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          but due to the fall of the ruble, the single crystal has become more competitive. Those. earlier, before the ruble fell, he could not compete with Harbin Aurora?

          Monocrystal is quite a decent company and has developed without any drop in the ruble, but the decline in the exchange rate makes production cheaper and more competitive. It is a shame not to know such elementary things. By the way, they have 2017% of the world market since 44.

          https://madeinsk.ru/doska-pocheta/polyakov-vladimir-ivanovich.html
          1. mor7d Offline mor7d
            mor7d (mor7d) April 8 2020 11: 18
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            Currency depreciation makes production cheaper and more competitive

            и

            since 2017 44% of the global market

            do not combine.

            According to Yole Développement, the Russian “Monocrystal” in 2014 occupied 27% of the global market for artificial sapphires (in physical terms).

            https://hbr-russia.ru/innovatsii/upravlenie-innovatsiyami/a17965

            Great article. I did not think that such a company would be developed in the Russian Federation. Crush taxes, requisitions, checks, pieces of paper.
            1. 123 Online 123
              123 (123) April 8 2020 14: 42
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              in 2014 occupied 27% of the global market
              2017% of the global market since 44

              do not fit

              Three years have passed. People work. The company’s website has the same data, 44%.

              I did not think that such a company would be developed in the Russian Federation. Crush taxes, requisitions, checks, pieces of paper.

              LLC Argus-Spectrum

              https://argus-spectr.ru/

              If you are going to visit the English parliament or the palace of their Majesty, pay attention to the alarm and fire safety systems, if you have a correct place of residence, take an interest at the airport, if I am not mistaken, they are also noted there.

              Transas Navigator LLC

              http://transas.ru/about

              - Engaged in marine navigation, 35% of the global market.
              Electronic cartographic navigation and information systems and 45% of the market for professional marine simulators. You will be able to feel on the French aircraft carrier.

              International company OCSiAl

              https://ocsial.com/ru/

              - These are the guys who in Novosibirsk produce nanotubes from graphene, if I'm not mistaken, about 90% of the world market.

              NTO "IRE-Polyus"

              https://www.ipgphotonics.com/ru/

              - 80% of the global market for heavy duty industrial fiber lasers.
              Well and so people work on trifles, Promobot LLC -

              https://promo-bot.ru/

              - industrial robots, export to 26 countries.

              Eidos-medicine LLC

              http://eidos-medicine.com/

              - Medical simulators and robots; in Japan, students are trained in their technique.

              LLC Combine Plant Rostselmash

              https://rostselmash.com/
              - with a miserable 17% of the world market of combines.
              Well, Rosatom is also working there a little, the Volga-Dnepr is carrying something.
              1. mor7d Offline mor7d
                mor7d (mor7d) April 8 2020 17: 35
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                35% of the global market for Electronic Cartographic Navigation and Information Systems

                Not bad. I personally came across a certain Zelenograd enterprise, I don’t remember its name, everything was beautiful on the site, but in reality ... not really.
                1. 123 Online 123
                  123 (123) April 9 2020 23: 18
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                  Not bad. I personally came across a certain Zelenograd enterprise, I don’t remember its name, everything was beautiful on the site, but in reality ... not really.

                  Not surprised, apparently, you told them nasty things. yes
  • mor7d Offline mor7d
    mor7d (mor7d) April 7 2020 07: 59
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    we then have no choice but to stop eating up natural resources and do something more worthy

    Doing something more worthy - golden words.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 6 2020 11: 24
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    For Russia, generally lower prices are better, then we will have no choice but to stop eating up natural resources and do something more worthy.

    I support ...
    1. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) April 6 2020 12: 04
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      And if it’s not a secret, what do you think is more worthy? And it seems as if Rosneft is selling cocaine.
      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 12: 48
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        There are other equally serious organizations for this.
        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) April 6 2020 13: 07
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          There are other, no less serious organizations for this.

          The CIA?
          1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 13: 16
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            It seems not to talk about America. Rosneft from there? Maybe, unlike us, you know something like that?
            1. 123 Online 123
              123 (123) April 6 2020 13: 56
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              It seems not to talk about America. Rosneft from there? Maybe, unlike us, you know something like that?

              It seems that they started talking about cocaine distributors, but as you know, coca is not growing in Siberia, and the organization that sells it is also located on another continent. You have a strange logic, the association of Rosneft with cocaine is strong. good As you let it go, re-read it again.
              1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 14: 12
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                But in Argentina they say it to a fig. Allegedly, there is not enough storage space under the stairs. They probably lie, as always ....
                1. 123 Online 123
                  123 (123) April 6 2020 14: 19
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                  Browse through the link, look at the pictures, you yourself will figure out where they lie and where not hi https://dataunodc.un.org/drugs
              2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) April 6 2020 14: 19
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                And if it’s not a secret, what do you think is more worthy? And it seems as if Rosneft is selling cocaine

                - By the way you started a conversation, distort, as always.
                1. 123 Online 123
                  123 (123) April 6 2020 14: 31
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                  123 (123) Today, 12: 04

                  And you, if not a secret, that you consider more worthy? And it seems as if Rosneft is selling cocaine.

                  - by the way. you started a conversation, distort, as always.

                  That's right, oil is a perfectly normal commodity, not some kind of cocaine. yes What did you think about? belay I’ve almost sorted it out for you, cocaine is not produced in Russia, and a completely different organization dominates on another continent. My question

                  The CIA?

                  quite logical. Why are you so excited - incomprehensible? What, the next grant was not transferred on time? smile
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  • Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 6 2020 18: 38
    +4
    The meeting on April 9 within the framework of OPEC hung. Do not agree. A G20 meeting at the level of energy ministers is being announced on April 10. Norway agreed to a reduction in production, provided that ALL does so. Russia also agreed on the same conditions.
    Most likely, the Saudis have achieved the death of OPEC and now the issue of production will be resolved in an expanded format. That is, the States, too. If they agree to meet, of course. Then it will become clear who is torpedoing the oil market.
  • Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) April 6 2020 21: 27
    -1
    In the oil and gas war will win the one who has neither oil nor gas. And the Russian oligarchs will continue to sit and blow into an empty pipe ...
  • slesarg65 Offline slesarg65
    slesarg65 (Igor Ivanov) April 7 2020 10: 34
    +1
    Here I am weaving bast shoes, they sold with a bang abroad, but now not very much - the borders are closed! I can also play boots. They themselves can make bast shoes from my bast abroad, but it is exorbitant for them there. And they don’t wear felt boots!
    And here we just need felt boots, but raw materials - bast shoes are too expensive!
    And so the price collapse. Well, I still need to live something, I’ll knit bast shoes in any way, anyway I can’t do anything else. But the native country is something expanse! Freestuff raw materials - freestuff fuel, transportation can be brought! Prices for everything should go down. Import! The markets! Development of your own economy! What kind of war? Nope, not heard!
  • begemot20091 Offline begemot20091
    begemot20091 (begemot20091) April 7 2020 12: 57
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    Quote: mor7d
    Are you trying to make Russia guilty

    I just want to say that the Russian Federation and only the Russian Federation is the culprit of the current crisis and the "oil war". No more.

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    1. Alexander Semenov (Alexander Semenov) April 7 2020 13: 25
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      Russia is to blame for the crisis at home, so it will be made extreme for the world. In general, as always, nothing new.
  • Tekila Offline Tekila
    Tekila (Alexander Popov) April 8 2020 06: 58
    +1
    It does not matter who is to blame for the breakdown of the agreements. They are ripped off because they did not suit anyone. Former speaker of the State Duma under Yeltsin, Ivan Rybkin, on a television show on one of the talk shows, said:

    There was no need to open SAMOTLOR.

    I think that he voiced what was said at that time at the top. I believe that even after the first severe drop in oil prices under Yeltsin, it became clear that oil is our misfortune. And the current crisis is proof of this. He still comes around to us. I do not believe in the bravado speech of our superiors. We are not lucky with them.