Die Welt: Why did Trump talk about the 50 million Russians who died at the hands of the Nazis


US President Donald Trump unexpectedly reported about 50 million Russians who died at the hands of the Nazis of the Third Reich. What made the American leader speak on this subject during the raging epidemic of COVID-19 in the United States, the German newspaper Die Welt tried to find out.


In a recent Fox & Friends interview, Trump spoke of Russia as a former ally in World War II. However, it is not clear from what sources Trump drew the voiced figures.

Russia fought in the Second World War. They lost 50 million people. You were our partner. Germany was our enemy. And now in Germany everything is fine, they have been ahead of us in trade for many years. NATO also pays too little. At the same time, we do not communicate with Russia, but we maintain a dialogue with Germany. How is it that we are talking with some people, but not with others, where does this lead?

- said Trump.

Where Trump's conclusions lead is clear. Trump casts doubt on the Western Alliance, writes Die Welt. In this case, the most powerful person in the world regularly says stupid things. However, these statements are so straightforward that they cannot be ignored.

Authoritative historians estimate the losses of the entire Soviet Union, which included not only today's Russia, but also Ukraine, Belarus, and other states, at 27 million people, including a little more than 8,5 million military personnel. Where did Trump get his numbers?

There are Russian policywho talk about more than 40 million dead, inciting Russian nationalism. In addition, Russian President Vladimir Putin denies the role of Joseph Stalin at the beginning of World War II and blames Poland, jointly captured by Germany and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it is impossible to get rid of the feeling that Trump is listening to the whispers of such people.

Under normal circumstances, Trump's statements would have provoked a media protest. But thanks to COVID-19 everything will get away with it, the German newspaper believes. Maybe that’s good. After all, Putin seeks to strengthen the contradictions in NATO and the EU and to sow mutual distrust. Trump at the same time quite often is his "useful idiot."
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  1. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 5 2020 11: 38
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin denies the role of Joseph Stalin at the start of World War II

    It also confirms this with documents. Yes, how dare he do it.

    and blames Poland, jointly captured by Germany and the Soviet Union.

    USSR captured Poland? The author, how did the Poles get behind Curzon's line? Went out for a walk? Poland was captured by her sculpted friend and first friend Adolf.
    1. Warrior Offline
      Warrior April 6 2020 11: 55
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      Putin says EVERYTHING right because he reads official Documents ...
      and they show that Poland, having the largest army in Europe before the war, constantly THREATED Germany with an attack on it and a rout, and then still attacked Germany and was defeated by Germany for 2 weeks, and the entire Polish leadership fled to England, and the Polish troops, along with their families, fled to Stalin's Russia from the Germans ...
      The abandoned population of cities and villages began to hold general meetings and tearfully ask the USSR to accept them, which was done by decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR.
      After that, the Red Army entered and took under protection from fascist Germany the former territory of tsarist Russia (along the Curzon line), which had once withdrawn to Poland along the "Brest Peace" —that formed Western Ukraine and Belarus.
      Before that, 1 million Polish Jews who had been slaughtered by the Poles escaped from the USSR to Poland ...
      So, all this is TRUTH and Putin just announced it ...
  2. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 5 2020 12: 17
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin denies the role of Joseph Stalin at the start of World War II

    Pope from Rome was the first to touch Hitler’s pen. Pact Pius XII - Hitler. July 20, 1933. The example of dad was followed by his kids. The first ran

    Hyena of Europe. Sir Winston Churchill.

    Moscitzky Pact - Hitler 1934. And further on with a squeak. Pact Khor - Ribbentrop June 18, 1935. Providing Hitler with the opportunity to have a navy banned by the results of the First World War.
    Chamberlain-Hitler Pact September 30, 1938.
    Bone Ribbentrop Pact. December 6, 1938.
    Pact Urbshis - Ribbentrop. March 22, 1939.
    Pact Selter - Ribbentrop. June 7, 1939. And only on August 23, 1939 was signed the Nonaggression Treaty between Germany and the Soviet Union. And Stalin is to blame.
    1. Warrior Offline
      Warrior April 6 2020 12: 07
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      You forgot to write that the Polish leadership "kissed in a hickey" with Hitler and his friends and agreed on a joint attack on the USSR, so that the Poles would get the Baltic states and the Leningrad region. And then, when Hitler friendlyly asked Poland to voluntarily return the German lands to Germany, Poland quarreled with Hitler and began, having the largest army in Europe, to threaten Germany with attack and defeat, which ultimately led to the defeat and disappearance of the imposing Poland ... .
      1. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 6 2020 19: 35
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        You forgot to write

        My friend, yes, I may not have listed all the pacts. I’m a man, not a computer + a discount on age, I have been teaching history a long time ago.
  3. Sergey Tokarev Offline
    Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) April 5 2020 12: 24
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    Trump "useful id .. from", and all refugees are dependent on Germany)))
  4. kriten Offline
    kriten (Vladimir) April 5 2020 13: 11
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    Trump has begun information preparations for an attack on US competitors in Germany. Someone needs to be torn and robbed, but there is almost no choice ...
    1. Warrior Offline
      Warrior April 6 2020 12: 13
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      All of Europe is the vassals of the United States, so Trump speaks to them as their OWNER ...
  5. Cheburashk Offline
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) April 5 2020 13: 47
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    Quote: Lieutenant Rzhevsky I
    Russian President Vladimir Putin denies the role of Joseph Stalin at the start of World War II

    Pope from Rome was the first to touch Hitler’s pen. Pact Pius XII - Hitler. July 20, 1933. An example of dad was followed by his children. First came running

    Hyena of Europe. Sir Winston Churchill.

    The Moscitzky-Hitler Pact of 1934.
    And further on with a squeak. Pact Khor - Ribbentrop June 18, 1935. Providing Hitler with the opportunity to have a navy banned by the results of the First World War.
    Chamberlain-Hitler Pact September 30, 1938.
    Bone Ribbentrop Pact. December 6, 1938.
    Pact Urbshis - Ribbentrop. March 22, 1939.
    Pact Selter - Ribbentrop. June 7, 1939. And only on August 23, 1939 was signed the Nonaggression Treaty between Germany and the Soviet Union. And Stalin is to blame.

    Unfortunately, they are not able to read there in the West, in view of the lack of education, apparently. Yes, if they can read, then only bedtime stories.
    1. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 5 2020 19: 01
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      Comics read.
    2. Warrior Offline
      Warrior April 6 2020 12: 17
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      They don’t even read fairy tales, they only listen to their television and watch their Internet, where EVERYONE will show and tell them how the USA should be - THE OWNER of their bodies, thoughts and souls ....
  6. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergey G) April 5 2020 19: 19
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    And how many died at the hands of the Zionists?
    1. Tramp1812 Offline
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 6 2020 10: 23
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      Quote: Citizen Mѣshkov
      And how many died at the hands of the Zionists?

      If Stalin is considered a Zionist, then a million innocent Soviet citizens were shot during his reign, thrown into the dungeons of the Gulag under five million innocent people. But Stalin was never a Zionist. He, according to the conclusion of the world famous Russian psychiatrist Bekhterev, was a "dry-armed paranoid."
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        Warrior April 6 2020 12: 21
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        Under Stalin, only TRAITORS and loafers of LIBERAS were shot and put into the Gulag ...
        Putin also needs to do this, otherwise they will not allow ALL of Russia to live normally ...
      2. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergey G) April 6 2020 20: 57
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        Why did they drag Stalin here?
        1. Tramp1812 Offline
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 6 2020 23: 37
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          And why are you Zionism ?! It is holy and pure. And even anti coronavirus. Because, if they invent the vaccine, then the Zionists (Jews). So that:

          Don't grab someone else's waist
          leading her friends to others
          Remember how to the shores of Australia,
          the late Cook was sailing away ....
    2. Warrior Offline
      Warrior April 6 2020 12: 31
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      All nations die because of the wars that Zionists (Jews) foment.
  7. Tramp1812 Offline
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 6 2020 16: 18
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    Quote: Warrior
    All nations die because of the wars that Zionists (Jews) foment

    I see the couch heroes in Russia have not yet been translated. But let me ask one question. The crimes of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Robespierre, Timuchchin, Khromts and other monsters of this series have been documented and convicted, and there is not a single confirmed charge against the Zionists (Jews). Maybe you will open the veil of secrecy over your accusations. And then unconvincing, if not false.
    1. isofat Offline
      isofat (Sergei) April 6 2020 16: 51
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      Quote: Rogue1812
      and against the Zionists (Jews) there is not a single confirmed charge.

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        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 6 2020 19: 06
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        You are still the protocols of the Zion of the sages, or the affairs of Beilis and Dreyfus remember. Do not forget the case of doctors and rootless cosmopolitans. And what you demonstrated is a fake of the sunset of the Soviet regime. Is there anything at the level of the Nuremberg trials, cases with a sentence regarding Zionism in international courts, at least at the level of the courts of the Russian Federation? Some kind of cheap agitation. For example, Leni Riefenstahl’s “Triumph of the Will” agitation, which all Germany believed in, is a better quality. Yes, there was an attempt to equate Zionism with a form of racism at the UN. Arab and other countries and the USSR tried. So what ? This resolution was canceled miserably, declaring it false and erroneous.
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    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 6 2020 23: 51
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    Quote: Warrior
    Under Stalin, only TRAITORS and loafers of LIBERAS were shot and put into the Gulag ...
    Putin also needs to do this, otherwise they will not allow ALL of Russia to live normally ...

    In March 2002, the International Memorial Society and the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation released the electronic disk Stalin Shooting Lists (Stalin Shooting Lists. M .: Links, 2002. ISBN 5-7870-0057-9). These are lists of persons whose fate was predetermined by members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks - I.V. Stalin, V.M. Molotov, L.M. Kaganovich, K.E. Voroshilov, A. Mikoyan, S. Kosior and candidate members Politburo A.A. Zhdanov and N.I. Yezhov. These 383 lists, comprising 11 volumes, were discovered in 1954 and transferred from the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU, and from there they passed "by inheritance" to the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation (F.3, Op.24. D.409-419). The lists cover the period from February 27, 1937 to September 29, 1938.

    The following are specifically listed tens of thousands of innocent and courtless shot scientists .... Rehabilitated, by the way. Google, maybe you will understand. Although unlikely. You are a Stalinist. And for me this is the worst of the insults.
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      isofat (Sergei) April 7 2020 01: 22
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      Quote: Rogue1812
      ... And for me this is the worst of the insults.

      Tramp1812, how else are you insulting? Liar? smile
      1. Tramp1812 Offline
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 7 2020 03: 34
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        Quote: isofat
        Quote: Rogue1812
        ... And for me this is the worst of the insults.

        Tramp1812, how else are you insulting? Liar? smile

        Obviously not at the address. Stalinism was officially condemned, even by the Soviet government. There are no monuments to Stalin in Russia; not a single street or city is named after him. Unlike the figures of Zionism. I personally was in the Begin Square in Nice, in Kiev there is a memorial plaque on the house where Golda Meir was born, in Poland - Ben-Gurion. Yes, in any country in Europe or America. I'm not talking about the prosperous Zionist Israel. In which a Jewish cow produces 12000 liters of milk per year, unlike her German, American, and even more so Slavic colleagues. The story itself answered the question of who is a liar and who is not. You want to kiss the executioners' hands - your right. So it's not about lies, but about priorities.
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          isofat (Sergei) April 7 2020 11: 33
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          smile From the crimes of the Zionists that this is all lies, you turned the discussion into a plane - Stalin the executioner, and the cows in Israel are the best.

          For your information:

          In connection with the introduction of the law on registration of non-profit organizations receiving foreign funding and leading political activities, the Human Rights Center “Memorial” was declared a foreign agent. Based on the results of a prosecutor’s audit conducted on behalf of the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation in April 2013, a representative of the prosecutor’s office stated that the Memorial Human Rights Center is engaged in political activities in Russia, with the goal, as stated in the charter of the organization, “to influence public opinion within the country” while funding the organization comes from the United States.
  9. Tramp1812 Offline
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 7 2020 18: 38
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    Quote: isofat
    smile From the crimes of the Zionists that this is all lies, you turned the discussion into a plane - Stalin the executioner, and the cows in Israel are the best.

    For your information:

    In connection with the introduction of the law on registration of non-profit organizations receiving foreign funding and leading political activities, the Human Rights Center “Memorial” was declared a foreign agent. Based on the results of a prosecutor’s audit conducted on behalf of the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation in April 2013, a representative of the prosecutor’s office stated that the Memorial Human Rights Center is engaged in political activities in Russia, with the goal, as stated in the charter of the organization, “to influence public opinion within the country” while funding the organization comes from the United States.

    In the first part of your post: the way it is. Zionists have never committed crimes. And Israeli cows are the best in the world. Stalin is a criminal of all times and peoples. Which is officially confirmed. What's wrong?
    In the second part. Archive of the President of the Russian Federation - also a foreign agent? Just wondering.
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      isofat (Sergei) April 7 2020 20: 57
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      Quote: Rogue1812
      Yes, there was an attempt to equate Zionism with a form of racism at the UN ...

      This "attempt" was successful from 1975 to 1991. That is, UN General Assembly resolution 16, which claimed that Zionism - This is a form of racism and racial discrimination, and Israel has ranked with states practicing apartheid.

      A week after the collapse of the USSR, in 1991, the United States and Israel were able to push through another resolution repealing the previous one.

      All your "truth" is not based on the truth, but on the strength and money of the United States.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 7 2020 21: 54
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        The USSR, with its satellites, “pushed through” this shameful resolution. The USSR collapsed - former comrades in the camp, the first thing they did was to establish diplomatic relations with Israel and repeal the anti-Zionist resolution. Which is already dead for 20 years. She herself was ridiculous. Because a Jew can be a person of any race. Including, and Arabs. What is this form of racism?
        Zionism, as a national liberation Jewish movement can be reduced to the basic postulates:
        1. Jews have the right to rebuild their state on the territory of historical Israel;
        2. Any Jew and a person with Jewish roots, as well as their non-Jewish relatives, are entitled to repatriation to Israel.
        That is the whole of Zionism.
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          isofat (Sergei) April 7 2020 22: 27
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          Stalin - the most effective manager


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          isofat (Sergei) April 7 2020 23: 49
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          Tramp1812, postulates are statements accepted without proof. With what fright did you decide that your words should be accepted without proof?

          Quote: Rogue1812
          1. Jews have the right to rebuild their state on the territory of historical Israel;
          2. Any Jew and a person with Jewish roots, as well as their non-Jewish relatives, are entitled to repatriation to Israel.

          Prove the flag in your hands and a steam locomotive towards. smile

          PS The state of Israel died two thousand years ago.
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            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 8 2020 10: 30
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            And there is no need to prove it, since this is an axiomatic proposition: Israel has existed de jure for almost a century now. And de facto - more than a century. Jews never, even for a second, from the moment of the destruction of the second temple by the Romans, stopped living in their own country and according to their laws. There has never been in this territory, except for the Jewish, no other state. Thanks to Zionism, the Jews built one of the most successful and prosperous countries in the world with the best laying cows furrowing the expanses of the universe on their rocket launchers. And like you, everyone sees "bloody boys in the eyes." Eh, you, then a quote from the Hasek clerk Vanek, ending with the word assessor.
            According to your logic, after the destruction of Poland, as a state of RI and Austria-Hungary, Poland "died", as expressed by your newspeak for two hundred years. And present-day Poland is not Poland, Austria is not Austria, Russia is not Russia, France is not France.

            Are you sick igemon

            M.A. Bulgakov
            1. isofat Offline
              isofat (Sergei) April 8 2020 12: 40
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              Zionism before the court of history

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                Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 8 2020 14: 05
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                Well, they waited. Hitler’s propaganda was launched .... Well, what else can you expect from you. Expected. Well, where is the country that launched this abomination on screens now? And where is prosperous Israel? Here it is.
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                  isofat (Sergei) April 8 2020 14: 37
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                  Tramp1812Zionism is an abomination, but for the Jews special.
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                    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 8 2020 15: 22
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                    Zionism has given prosperity to the 7 million Jews of Israel, confidence in the remaining 7 million Jews in the world today and tomorrow. What an abomination this is. It is pride and great happiness to be a Zionist, not a shameful Stalinist.
                    1. isofat Offline
                      isofat (Sergei) April 8 2020 16: 16
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                      Quote: Rogue1812
                      Zionism has brought prosperity to 7 million Jews of Israel

                      Tramp1812, Israel lives more than you called. And there is more in the world. Apparently, the rest are not Jews. Masks are reset.

                      Now the question is:
                      - Why did the Jews come to this site and slander Russia?
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                        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 8 2020 18: 20
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                        We talked about the Jews. 7 million Jews, 1.5 million Arabs and 400 thousand non-Jewish citizens live in Israel. Basically, these are Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians - wives and husbands of Jews. About 15 million Jews live in the world, including Israel. Of these, I already wrote about Israel, in the states 5.5 million, England, France, Canada - about 500 thousand each. The rest is in detail: Armenia-70 people, Poland -2000, Russia-160 thousand, but how many have dual citizenship and permanently lives in Israel is not known. Etc. You can check. About the "mask reset" - did not understand. And why the Jews came to this site - I will answer. What I see: Jews are found exclusively on branches about Israel, Jews and Zionism. Other topics do not interest them at all. And they meet because of people like you. Someone writes nasty things about Zionism, Jews, Israel - gets a response. And about slander, and even against Russia ... This is not close. What for? In the entire history of relations between Israel and Russia, there were no better ones than now. And a president more loyal to Israel and Jews than GDP.
                        And as for the USSR-so suffered. Especially under Stalin.
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                        isofat (Sergei) April 8 2020 19: 31
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                        Tramp1812, I realized that under Stalin you had a constipation, you suffered for a long, long time, now it’s burst ...

                        I have to ask you:
                        - Do not make from your site your latrine.

                        PS I am 100% sure that I ask in vain. The peace-loving inhabitants of Israel relieve themselves wherever they want, and I am Hitler’s propagandist. smile