In Germany, dissatisfied with US help

April 2 2020 59

Recently сообщалосьWith what irritation French President Emmanuel Macron took the medical aid of Russia in Italy, in which a dangerous coronavirus infection COVID-19 is raging. And now, the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung accuses Russia of conducting a hybrid war against the West during a pandemic.

The columnist doubts that Moscow, providing medical assistance to the United States, is acting with good intentions.

That the Kremlin sent a plane to America with help is laudable. However, despite calls to reduce military activity, Moscow continues to send bombers into the airspace over the Atlantic. And the Russian fleet, which has been unusually long in the Baltic Sea, apparently does not conduct COVID-19 tests there

- wrote conservative journalist Bertold Kohler, who considers transatlantic cooperation as the foundation of external policy and German security.

Moreover, Kohler is confident that Russia “continues to wage cyber war against the West” during a pandemic. At the same time, the journalist did not provide evidence and completely forgot that NATO aircraft continue to fly near the borders of Russia, despite the coronavirus. But they also do not conduct tests for COVID-19 there.

Necessary to remindthat Russia recently sent to the United States the An-124 Ruslan aircraft loaded with medical aid (personal protective equipment and medical equipment) to combat COVID-19. Currently, the United States is in first place in the world in the number of cases. The number of infected there has already exceeded 217 thousand people. More than 5 thousand people died. About 9 thousand people were cured.

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Observer2014

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April 2 2020 18: 41

In Germany, dissatisfied with US help

Why only in Germany? Give us in Russia at least normal overalls and basic protective equipment !!!! Us! Those without whom you will start yelling in a matter of hours of our inaction. Maybe we ask Italians and Americans for help?
1. Observer2014
  
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  April 2 2020 19: 00
  
  Ask Italians and Americans for help with quality repair tools. High-quality comfortable workwear. Power tool. Repair cars of city services. Marking tool. Advanced welding equipment. You can't do anything !!!! Nothing!!!! To produce your own. Twentieth year, twenty-first century! You are savages, Russian gentlemen! You are savages! That our own people, without which you yell in half an hour "where are my paid benefits of civilization", are unable to provide. Nothing!
  1. Orange big
    
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    April 2 2020 19: 06
    
    Quote: Observer2014
    Ask Italians and Americans for help with quality repair tools. High-quality comfortable workwear. Power tool. Repair cars of city services. Marking tool. Advanced welding equipment. You can't do anything !!!! Nothing!!!! To produce your own. Twentieth year, twenty-first century! You are savages, Russian gentlemen! You are savages! That our own people, without which you yell in half an hour "where are my paid benefits of civilization", are unable to provide. Nothing!
    
    Do not talk nonsense. All of the above you listed is made in Russia.
    
    You are savages, Russian gentlemen! You are savages!
    
    And who is called, that is what is called. No need to carry nonsense. Critical days, or what?
    1. Observer2014
      
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      April 2 2020 19: 11
      
      What nonsense I was talking about here? Well, tomorrow morning, while we are waiting for the cars on duty, we are waiting with everything new and necessary for us to work for the benefit of the huge Russian city! And we sit down in carriages. Including, instead of the current decorations, the cars on duty themselves for the next Mad Max remake. Or should we immediately take pictures of ourselves, ragged people, and turn to the Italian and American people for help? Do not shabby with shame then?
      1. Orange big
        
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        April 2 2020 19: 15
        
        Who are we? Who do we need? Who is shabby?
        
        Or should we immediately take pictures of ourselves, ragged people, and turn to the Italian and American people for help?
        
        Do you consider yourself a rascal?
        
        Observer2014
        
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        April 2 2020 19: 22
        
        Yes! My colleagues and I are laughing at ourselves, and every morning, leaving for an assignment, we consider ourselves ragamuffins. Literally. For this is a BREAKER !!!!! You need to see it !!! With my own eyes! To believe it! That in Russia this is not just possible! This is the norm of production and life !!! A few kilometers from the "barrel"! Oh, you should have seen the instrument! High tech! Would be screwed up dead. Even more with our appearance! So everything is tired! Who should I write for help? Italians? Or the Americans !?
        
        Orange big
        
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        April 2 2020 19: 25
        
        Sorry for the lack of food, and who do you work with?
        
        Observer2014
        
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        April 2 2020 19: 28
        
        Who needs. They will read it. And measures will be taken. "Bocharka" is Bocharov Ruchei. : I never lie.
        
        Cheburashk
        
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        April 2 2020 22: 27
        
        Dear you have already lied in your comment at least once !!!! Your words that you never lie say that you are lying, and how!
        
        Dear sofa expert.
        
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        April 4 2020 09: 04
        
        Troll, who else?)
        
        Cheburashk
        
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        April 2 2020 22: 29
        
        And what have you personally done so that this does not happen! If they did, but it didn’t work out, then they tried poorly, it turns out!
  2. Nick
    
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    April 3 2020 17: 48
    
    Quote: Observer2014
    Ask Italians and Americans for help with a quality repair tool.
    
    I don’t know how in Italy, but in the USA the instrument is mainly Chinese.
    1. 123
      
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      April 3 2020 19: 48
      
      And not only in the USA. I bought a micrometer on ebay, decided to see what they sell to Canadians under the guise of Mitutoyo, today I received it, the sender's address is written on the package: south dongsanhuan Beijing and Beijing index 100021 The workmanship of the case suggests that the address is real. They didn’t even bother, they sent directly from China.
      1. Dear sofa expert.
        
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        April 4 2020 09: 11
        
        Yes, well, not everything made in China is so poorly packaged) my “apple tree” and watches are also made in China (like everyone else). My robot vacuum cleaner (Xiaomi) is also from there. A quality thing, by the way, I recommend. Today, almost everything is made in China and its ilk) So, the myth of poor quality is already in the distant past.
        
        Nick
        
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        April 4 2020 10: 11
        
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        So, the myth of poor quality is already in the distant past.
        
        Yes, this is not a myth. The reality is that Chinese products can be at a very good level of quality, but not all and not always. There is no stability.
        
        123
        
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        April 4 2020 11: 37
        
        I'm not saying that all Chinese are of disgusting quality, although, to be honest, there are such things, and sometimes you have to "finish with a file". The point is that a colleague was going to complain about the quality of the instruments to Italy or America, well, I hint that it is easier and more efficient for him to contact the manufacturers directly, he even indicated an approximate address.
  3. Ser sash
    
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    April 4 2020 09: 07
    
    In the USA there is no light industry and they do not do consumer electronics. The costs of globalization. And the availability of equipment and workwear is a question for employers.
    1. Nick
      
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      April 4 2020 10: 15
      
      Quote: Ser Sash
      And the availability of equipment and workwear is a question for employers.
      
      In order to get to this simple thought, you need to have at least some kind of thinking apparatus, and, accordingly, to strain it. Alas, the Observer has problems with this.
Orange big

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April 2 2020 18: 59

And what is mythical hidden under the concept of the West? What official legal documents define this association? There is the EU, there is NATO, G-7, G-20, and what kind of union is it like the West? I’m not talking about the geographical definition of this word. Is it still incomprehensible that there is no single West and that everyone is for himself? COVID-2019 once again did not prove it?
123

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April 2 2020 19: 21

This cargo is paid in half by the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which is understandable, they work there. "Nice gesture" from the company. The second half of the cost of the cargo was paid by the Americans. Zakharova said at a briefing today, so, worries about the distribution of public goods to capitalists are not justified. Swallow corvalol already and calm down.
1. Bitter
  
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  April 2 2020 22: 26
  
  (RDIF) ", which is understandable, they work there." Nice gesture "from the company.
  
  Resources in the RDIF are grown by the stamen-pestle or nesting method, the Russian people and the economy of the Russian Federation there sideways.
  Since when has RDIF been working "there," according to the law, it must work within Russia. As I understand it, the name implies direct investments in the regions of Russia, and not in the United States or anywhere else.
  It is clear, of course, that the "margin" at home is not the same, in America it will be possible to cut down more and invest again there.
  1. 123
    
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    April 2 2020 23: 26
    
    Resources in the RDIF are grown by the stamen-pestle or nesting method, the Russian people and the economy of the Russian Federation there sideways.
    
    I certainly don’t know, perhaps by cloning.
    
    Since when has RDIF been working "there," according to the law, it must work within Russia. As I understand it, the name implies direct investments in the regions of Russia, and not in the United States or anywhere else.
    
    Investments involve raising funds, they are foreign. It is logical to look for them in the largest financial market.
    
    It is clear, of course, that the "margin" at home is not the same, in America it will be possible to cut down more and invest again there.
    
    Well, if you will invest decent amounts in the economy, perhaps they will not shy abroad.
    1. Bitter
      
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      April 5 2020 15: 30
      
      Investments involve raising funds, they are foreign. It is logical to look for them in the largest financial market.
      
      Working there and raising funds here are different subjects. Why put down a magarych on the ruble, if the work can be just a penny? Are direct investments bent? Look, the Observer needs equipment and overalls, a real DIRECT investment.
      
      Well, if you will invest decent amounts in the economy, perhaps they will not shy abroad.
      
      And here I am, the conversation is about possible investments and the use of money and resources for other purposes.
      Offer me another fence and a swing on the playground to repair at my own expense and clean the yard myself on Saturdays. And the office, which received the loot for this, was like "didn’t shmogla" and deals with such matters only occasionally and not everywhere ...
      1. 123
        
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        April 5 2020 16: 25
        
        Working there and raising funds here are different subjects. wink Why put a ruble on a ruble, if there can be only a penny of work? Direct investments began to bend? laughing The Observer needs equipment and clothing, a real, that neither is a DIRECT investment.
        
        Perhaps there is some logic in your words, I meant that investments are attracted from abroad, respectively, and work there. It is difficult to judge the effectiveness of this work, I have no data. As for the appearance of the "Observer", this is a completely different song, for its solution it is enough just to go to a workwear store, if the employer does not provide, perhaps for him personally this is a problem, but has nothing to do with investments.
        
        And here I am, the conversation is about possible investments and the use of money and resources for other purposes.
        
        I'm not sure, maybe these are entertainment expenses, companies often invest in creating a "positive image" of the company in the host country. Someone builds schools, someone treats children, other sports clubs buy.
        
        Offer me another fence and a swing on the playground to repair at my own expense and clean the yard myself on Saturdays. And the office, which received the loot for this, was like "didn’t shmogla" and deals with such matters only occasionally and not everywhere ...
        
        I meant that domestic investment is not enough, because they work abroad.
        
        Bitter
        
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        April 6 2020 00: 22
        
        if the employer does not provide, perhaps for him personally this is a problem, but has nothing to do with investments.
        
        It may well have. The employer draws up / has a business development plan. He goes to the Foundation with him, he considers the application and gives a resource for development. New premises are being built for that loot, new equipment, machines and everything that is needed to improve and optimize work are bought. The company, mastering the resource, grows into new, wider pants. New employees are being accepted, the number of clients and projects is growing. ... Of course, it will also have to be accountable, to the fund or to the investor directly.
        
        to the workwear store if the employer does not provide
        
        A good workwear store is not cheap. It turns out that the employer writes off money under this article, and everyone should buy clothes. A good tool can also be brought from home, maybe right away with the money to work go to the cashier?
        
        123
        
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        April 6 2020 11: 07
        
        Eka you wrapped Is the operation of a private equity fund and the issuance of a robe to a specific "Observer" related?
        Do you know which "office" the "Observer" works in? Can you tell us about the scope of their cooperation? There, for sure, some local "Gortop" or "Komunalschik".
        If everything is so bad, maybe just try changing jobs?
        
        Bitter
        
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        April 10 2020 22: 19
        
        And what, "Kommunalschik" has no right to investment, did not come out with a snout? Is there any discrimination or should someone first "hijack" a couple of millionaires to the States or Panama, and then invest them through a fund?
        
        I don’t need to know, it’s enough that the private equity fund should work directly inside the country and lure investors "from the street" there.
        
        123
        
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        April 11 2020 00: 21
        
        And what, "Kommunalschik" has no right to investment, did not come out with a snout?
        
        Once out, let them attract. Investing and budgeting is silently different.
        
        Is there any discrimination, or should someone first "hijack" a couple of millionaires to the States or Panama, and then invest them through a fund?
        
        Is not a fact. Maybe, of course, there are some, but in any case, not all.
        
        I don’t need to know, it’s enough that the private equity fund should work directly inside the country and lure investors "from the street" there.
        
        How will he lure them while working inside the country? Cap appeal to wave? Something seems to me, if you had lured the girls without leaving the fence, you would still go idle. This is from their website:
        
        The Russian private equity fund has invested more than 1,7 trillion rubles, of which more than 170 billion rubles are RDIF and 1,6 trillion rubles are partners.
        
        RDIF also attracted more than $ 40 billion of foreign capital into the Russian economy, building a number of long-term strategic partnerships.
        
        By reference their projects:
        
        https://rdif.ru/Portfolio/
        
        It seems to me that in vain you swear at them. In my opinion, a useful organization.
        
        Bitter
        
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        April 11 2020 01: 40
        
        Something seems to me, if you had lured the girls without leaving the fence, you would still go idle.
        
        To lure does not mean giving them money for it. We’ll leave about girls, look at the touts in restaurants, do they offer you money? No, they offer you a product.
        You propose an option, with "magarych" or the so-called bribe. Here's a figurative $ 50, go there and buy for $ 25, so what? A fund representative working abroad looking for investors does not invest millions abroad, he is looking for them. In order for someone to bring them to the country for their intended purpose. The fact that he receives a corresponding salary and bonus for his work is quite fair, but this is a penny.
        
        It seems to me that in vain you swear at them.
        
        I do not swear, but rather draw attention to what they do and what they should do in principle. Someone probably looked at the page of this enterprise and at the numbers that they voiced. In addition, I am against the use of funds for other purposes, even if it could bring some effect in the future. Violation and exceptions to the rules can often contribute to commonplace theft. Already more than once passed.
2. Nick
  
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  April 3 2020 17: 51
  
  Quote: 123
  Swallow corvalol already and calm down.
  
  What the doctor ordered!
  In the Observer, in general, in the comments, emotions prevail over common sense.
  1. 123
    
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    April 3 2020 18: 09
    
    Maybe it's just emotions? If you look at everything calmly, in fact, nothing supernatural happens.
shinobi

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April 3 2020 06: 00

Trump spoke with Putin. What they talked about, secret. After that, immediately, two sides with mechanical ventilation devices flew to the USA. We agreed on something.
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  1. shinobi
    
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    April 4 2020 09: 31
    
    This is an official. And what was really there, they will not tell us, it should not. But, most likely, not only and not so much oil.
2. Dear sofa expert.
  
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  April 4 2020 09: 30
  
  They talked about oil. Trump asked Putin to end the "oil war" with the Saudis. Because because of them, American oil production is fatally affected. It was not possible to agree, because in order to save amer-oilmen from bankruptcy, world oil production should decrease by 20 million barrels, and this is practically the joint volume of Russia and the Saudis. That is, production will continue in the same volumes. Since it becomes impossible to sell oil on the market (due to overproduction), a country that has more storage facilities will win this “war”. Naturally, Russia will win this war. Saudi repositories are already in full swing, tankers are also full. Oil will soon have to be poured back into the ground, because it is technically difficult to stop production itself. I am silent about the amers. They are not directly involved in the war. Terpil-observers, so to speak. They have storage facilities, but oil is expensive, profitability today is below zero. In short, their oil production is coming to an end. For this, Putin and Trump met ...
Arkharov

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April 3 2020 07: 18

And by the way, has the "aid" on that plane been sold or donated?

https://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2020/04/02/1836023.html
1. Serge Tixiy
  
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  April 3 2020 07: 42
  
  You have such a habit of mocking. I explain to those who believe in the liberal press. US assistance from Russia, by personal agreement of the US and Russian presidents, was paid 50 to 50. What the presidents were guided by - I personally am not interested, they know better, most importantly, they agreed.
  1. Arkharov
    
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    April 3 2020 07: 45
    
    And here is malice? It’s just that we have been enthusiastically and with a sense of our own undoubted superiority tryndela all week that this is help (and yet the concept of help, as a rule, implies a free transfer), and here it turns out that this is not entirely true.
    1. plabu
      
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      April 4 2020 09: 31
      
      Quote: Arkharov
      And here is malice? We just all week enthusiastically and with a sense of our undoubted superiority tryndeli that this is help, (and yet the concept of assistance, as a rule, implies a free transfer), and here it turns out that this is not entirely true.
      
      And the malice (it can still be called in other terms) yours is that you, still Latyshev, still Rambover, this one with a number from Israel is some kind of pestilence, another Rus, who Dmitry regularly and constantly writes strictly about it’s bad that there isn’t that they ruined it, well, and the like, sometimes with humorous attempts, more often without them - but the general meaning of your (all) comments is clear - it’s all bad ...
      And about the help and its obligatory gratuitousness, tell those who have already paid for some products, and its bam - they also confiscated it, even here they wrote about it more than once ...
      1. Arkharov
        
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        April 4 2020 12: 08
        
        You see, you have already started a whole political process here, with names, all you need is to "crush the reptile", etc., straight from 37th. And these are just people, with, perhaps, a slightly different worldview, are entitled to which you seem to deny them. And that's it !!! Well, about "good" - then you write here, for this you can be calm, someone should write about everything else, incl. and close to reality?
        
        plabu
        
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        April 4 2020 13: 24
        
        Quote: Arkharov
        See, you have already started a whole political process here, with names, all you need is to "crush the reptile", etc., straight from the 37th. And these are just people, with perhaps a slightly different worldview, the right to which you seem to deny them. And that's it !!! Well, about "good" - then you write here, for this you can be calm, someone should write about everything else, incl. and close to reality?
        
        More specifically, where did I write, or am I writing about crushing and stuff?
        As for a different worldview - well, as you wrote - it may be different, only I wrote about ANOTHER - that in the vast majority of cases, all of the ones I have listed are for some reason they write ONLY negative - is this now called a worldview?
        In my opinion, it's called differently, so the worldview has nothing to do with it, and you, like, by the way, they know all this very well, but they write ...
        And about the fact that all seizures and confiscations were carried out according to the law, of those countries to the law - and whose business it is, and how I feel about it, I am quite capable of deciding on my own, without your prompting.
        It remains only to wish that you personally or your loved ones are faced with the fact that they take what they need, bought and paid, in fact, and, by law, as you wrote, I would like to read your personal comments in this case. One of the relatives had such a situation, in one of the European countries, when the medicine is up, and it is no longer yours, in the end everything was resolved, how and in what way, even now I do not want to remember.
        
        Arkharov
        
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        April 4 2020 15: 45
        
        You don't have to be a "vegetable", study your own and other people's laws, draw up documents correctly. Do not rely on chance. That's all the solution to such questions.
        
        plabu
        
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        April 4 2020 15: 50
        
        Quote: Arkharov
        You don't have to be a "vegetable", study your own and other people's laws, draw up documents correctly. That's all the solution to such questions.
        
        It is clear that, apparently, there will be no answer from you and your colleagues to other questions. And again, personally for you - I WOULD like to read your cries, how the medicine is simply seized, although - for you personally - it did NOT break any rules and laws, but you will continue to write your theoretical calculations, this is already clear - nothing, God not a rogue, on these topics the heavenly office oh, how tightly it "works" ...
        
        Arkharov
        
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        April 4 2020 15: 52
        
        Go to court, as your "national leader" says.
        
        plabu
        
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        April 4 2020 15: 55
        
        Any other orders from you? another "iksperd - theorist".
      2. Arkharov
        
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        April 4 2020 12: 20
        
        And what was confiscated there or not, as it was in fact, then they will not write to you like that either. I think everything has been done in accordance with the law of the respective countries, and there, I'm sorry, the laws are respected. And this is certainly not yours and not our business.
2. Dear sofa expert.
  
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  April 3 2020 17: 12
  
  What's the difference to you?
  1. Arkharov
    
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    April 3 2020 17: 52
    
    I don’t have any, but why should people fool their brains?
    1. shinobi
      
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      April 4 2020 09: 33
      
      They fool the media, they have all the questions.
    2. Dear sofa expert.
      
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      April 4 2020 09: 33
      
      That is, nobody personally fools you personally? Well, people, I think, will somehow take care of their brains themselves. Without your bleating.
      1. Arkharov
        
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        April 4 2020 12: 06
        
        In your example, you just have to worry about the not entirely safe dependence of your thinking on "propaganda diarrhea" from a certain kind of "sources".
        
        plabu
        
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        April 4 2020 15: 52
        
        Start with yourself, so to speak, by personal example, not ??
Serge Tixiy

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April 3 2020 07: 39

Another Goebbels passage. In general, the very posing of the question against the background of the European tradition is indicative. How is assistance provided in Europe, not only in Germany? Very simply, I transferred at least 5 (five) euros and forgot, my conscience is clear. It doesn't matter what it is about, cancer patients or hungry children in Africa. After such an operation, the average European considers his duty fulfilled and will gnaw his throat if anyone doubts. And European aid funds are a separate issue, there is such a flourishing ... that Russian corruption is childish pranks, and all these Berezovskaya and Khodorkovskys are kindergarten pants with straps. So, there is something to confuse the German mind .... "hungry beggar" Russia helps the owner (Karl the owner himself) and not five euros.
1. Bitter
  
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  April 3 2020 09: 48
  
  How do they help in Europe, not only in Germany? Very simple, I transferred at least 5 (five) euros and forgot.
  
  Fine. It's not even about money, but in principle. If a person - no matter where, on the track, on the road or in the yard of the house, needs help and you will provide it, then it turns out. Helped and forgot. Or will you "pursue" this person, expecting something, and tell all neighbors and passers-by about your feat?
  In Germany, you can indicate these "five" euros in your annual tax return and they will be returned to you.
Sapsan136

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April 3 2020 10: 05

And when Germany and France gear the USA, it does not occur to them that they are gearing the USA against the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation will not remain in debt, because it simply does not leave a choice and it will have to defend itself from NATO ?!
1. Dear sofa expert.
  
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  April 4 2020 09: 37
  
  Do they have a choice today? How do you think?
2. Bitter
  
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  April 4 2020 15: 53
  
  ... when Germany and France gear the USA, ...
  
  Maybe they are just offended that Russia has "overshadowed" them?
  
  The Russian Federation will not remain in debt, because it simply does not leave a choice and it will have to defend itself from NATO ?!
  
  Well, not everything is so hopeless, it could be simpler - "be ready to defend yourself" and not only from NATO.
  At present, it would be more relevant - "from external threats to Russian capital." With the nuclear shield in the background, the country of the Soviets sunk into the summer, no one will encroach on the territorial integrity of the Russian state. If only from the inside or in terms of "border optimization" directly from the center.
Citizen Mѣshkov

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April 3 2020 20: 59

First, let all the sanctions be lifted, and then you can think about help.
1. Arkharov
  
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  April 4 2020 12: 02
  
  Do you think this really is the question of "help" and its importance to them? I see you don't live with your mind at all?
Vkd dvk

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April 3 2020 23: 42

Quote: Observer2014
In Germany, dissatisfied with US help

Why only in Germany? Give us in Russia at least normal overalls and basic protective equipment !!!! Us! Those without whom you will start yelling in a matter of hours of our inaction. Maybe we ask Italians and Americans for help?

Personally, you can. For scum enough, and, unfortunately, article 58 of the Criminal Code does not work.