Will the Russian transporters Elephant and Ermak be better than the Ukrainian Ruslan


A model of the Elephant heavy transport aircraft being developed in Russia. Photo: TsAGI


After the breakdown of industrial ties with Ukraine, the Military Transport Aviation of Russia (BTA) was in a very difficult situation. All intellectual property rights to the An-124 Ruslan remained with Kiev. In this regard, the discussion intensified on the need to revive the production of the legendary "heavyweight" in Russia, but under a different name.

However, judging by the latest information, they put an end to us at Ruslan. Instead, two promising domestic projects are immediately entering the stage. But what are their real prospects?

"Elephant"


The first candidate for the role of the “killer” An-124 is the super-heavy transport aircraft Elephant, the development of which was commissioned by the Ministry of Industry and Trade at TsAGI in 2016. According to reports, its length will be 82 meters, the wingspan will reach 88 meters, and its height will be 24 meters. Unlike the Ruslan with its 120 tons, the Elephant has to pull 180 tons of payload. The length of the runway under such a giant will be up to 3 kilometers. With full load, the aircraft will fly 4900 kilometers, with 150 tons - 7700 kilometers.

Despite the fact that the customer is a civilian ministry, the Russian military will be able to use the transporter first. At a time, the giant will take on board up to 400 soldiers and 14 Tigers, or 5 self-propelled guns. Technique can be unloaded through 2 cargo hatches: front and rear of the aircraft.

Currently, TsAGI has successfully completed the first stage of aerodynamic testing. However, when the winged giant really flies, it is completely incomprehensible. The PD-35 was chosen for it as a power plant. The problem is that a promising engine with a thrust of 35 tons is planned to be launched into the series only in 2028. This is if everything goes according to plan.

IL-106 ("Ermak")


This is the second promising aircraft to replace the An-124, developed by Ilyushin Design Bureau. Its capabilities are somewhat more modest than that of the “Elephant”: carrying capacity is 80-100 tons, flight range - 5000 kilometers. The representative of the design office explained:

The IL-106 will meet all modern requirements for the aeronautical complex, as well as for resources and for transported goods. Thus, discussions about the need to recreate the An-124 ended. We are starting to develop the IL-106 aircraft.



The project is quite realistic, but funding problems turned it into a long-term construction. According to the initial plans, the transporter could appear in the late nineties.

Development resumed only in 2014, but not everything is alright with it: the problems again lie in the power plants, or rather, their absence. Initially, it was planned to use four NK-106 turbofan engines on the IL-93. But at one time, due to lack of funding, development was frozen. OKB is now counting on the promising PD-24 engine, which will be created on the basis of the PD-35. It remains only to wait for the appearance of the PD-35 itself.

It turns out that in Russia there are immediately two interesting projects of a heavy transport aircraft, but both of them cannot be implemented without a power plant. The second question is whether Ilyushin and Tupolev will pull the production of such giants on their own. And most importantly, is there enough money in the budget that is already tangibly bursting from the financial load?
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 2 2020 17: 02
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    Will the Russian transporters Elephant and Ermak be better than the Ukrainian Ruslan.

    Ruslan was developed 35 years ago. The engines are still single-circuit.

    We must try very, very hard that in 10 years airplanes appear even worse than the old ones .... But Serdyukov, Rogozin and everything else can do it!
    1. Maxim V Offline
      Maxim V (Maxim Vshivtsev) April 3 2020 21: 31
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      Good in Ukraine !!! There is no aviation, that means there is nothing to fall ... .. There is no fleet, that means there is no one to “sink” ... .. One is bad - in Ukraine there is now a BANANA republic, but - WITHOUT BANANAS :))))
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 4 2020 11: 29
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        All the leading writers and speakers of the country are preoccupied with the greatest question of our time - how is it in Ukraine.

        Sugar has already ended 3 times, land - also 3, vodka, lard, oil - one, oligarchs - 3 times fled over a hill ... etc.

        They said about bananas, too, Nem ...
  2. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 2 2020 17: 14
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    Ukrainian "Ruslan"? No, have not heard.
  3. Afinogen Offline
    Afinogen (Afinogen) April 2 2020 17: 27
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    Will the Russian transporters Elephant and Ermak be better than the Ukrainian Ruslan

    There is no Ukrainian "Ruslan", it is a plane of the USSR. Designed and built by the whole country. Therefore, what was built in the 70s – 80s is now lost and we cannot do it. They brought the industry to the bottom. I don’t know if we will ever be able to do in the future what we did under the USSR. The only thing that remains for us is to dream, to dream and to set the dates when the dream can come true.
  4. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 2 2020 17: 55
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    The author, in Tashkent Uzbek carcasses and ily were produced?
  5. Orange big Offline
    Orange big (Max) April 2 2020 18: 18
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    All intellectual property rights to the An-124 Ruslan remained with Kiev.

    To tell how many times Ukraine, the USA, China violated the rights to Russian and not only Russian intellectual property? What is it worth brazenly copying a Kalashnikov assault rifle and its production in China and the USA. Does Ukraine comply with intellectual property in the military-industrial complex? Of course not. In addition, the An-124 did the whole Union in cooperation. Serial production was carried out at UAPK (RSFSR) and KiAPO (USSR). More than a hundred enterprises in Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and other Soviet republics participated in the production of components for it in the USSR. After the collapse of the USSR and the halt of mass production at both plants, there was a backlog, completed in the post-Soviet era. So the reference to some intellectual property there is simply ridiculous. Nobody observes it. An-124 and in the 90s was produced in Ulyanovsk in Russia.

    Ruslans have been mass-produced for 20 years. From 1984 to 2004, 55 cars were produced. Two-thirds of the aircraft were manufactured at the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Building Plant (now - Aviastar-SP JSC, part of the United Aircraft Corporation).

    “An-124 is the brainchild of the Soviet aircraft industry, Kiev does not have any special rights to a car. In the end, Ukraine is modernizing its helicopter fleet without asking permission from the Moscow Mil Plant, ”said Dmitry Drozdenko, a military observer for Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, in an interview with RT.

    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/519725-an-124-proizvodstvo-ukraina

    This is by rights.
  6. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 2 2020 18: 28
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    To begin with, Ruslan is not Ukrainian, but Soviet, but what will happen to the Russian Federation, wait and see ...
  7. Orange big Offline
    Orange big (Max) April 2 2020 18: 34
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    OKB is now counting on the promising PD-24 engine, which will be created on the basis of the PD-35. It remains only to wait for the appearance of the PD-35 itself.

    PD-24 based on PD-35? It’s strange. It’s the same as creating PD-14 based on conditional PD-24. Both there and there - a difference of traction of 10 tons. It seems to me that the PD-24 is the NK-23D (24 tons of traction), created for the remotorization of the An-124 and for the production of PAK DA. That is, NK-23D (aka PD-24) and PD-35 are two different projects that are not interconnected. Still, there are different requirements for the gas generator and materials.
  8. Orange big Offline
    Orange big (Max) April 2 2020 18: 49
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    ... whether Ilyushin and Tupolev will pull the production of such giants on their own. And most importantly, is there enough money in the budget that is already tangibly bursting from the financial load?

    Well, in the 90s, they pulled the production of the An-124 until 2004, why not pull it now? Although what money was in the budget in the 90s, I think there is no need to explain to many. What does Tupolev and the Elephant and Ermak projects created by Il have to do with it? Tupolev and Ilyushin are design schools, not factories. The same Tu-160 created by Tupolev is being built at the Kazan Aviation Plant.
    1. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 2 2020 19: 09
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      It is useless, this is Sergey Marzhetsky.
      1. Orange big Offline
        Orange big (Max) April 2 2020 19: 19
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        Quote: Lieutenant Rzhevsky I
        It is useless, this is Sergey Marzhetsky.

        Does he have liberal views or is he Ukrainian? I’m writing not only for Marzhetsky, but trying to give an objective assessment of what was written. Discuss with everyone.
        1. Lieutenant Rzhevsky I April 2 2020 21: 36
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          God knows him. He is muddy.
  9. Radikal Offline
    Radikal April 2 2020 21: 49
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    Will the Russian transporters Elephant and Ermak be better than the Ukrainian Ruslan

    Well, if you look at how the newly minted Ilyushins create the Il-112, then the answer is probably unequivocal. They still have enough abilities to upgrade something, to create something new, revolutionary - this is not for them. Unfortunately. sad
  10. The elephant is cooler!
  11. Vkd dvk Offline
    Vkd dvk (Victor) April 3 2020 01: 40
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    Quote: Athenogen
    Will the Russian transporters Elephant and Ermak be better than the Ukrainian Ruslan

    There is no Ukrainian "Ruslan", it is a plane of the USSR. Designed and built by the whole country. Therefore, what was built in the 70s – 80s is now lost and we cannot do it. They brought the industry to the bottom. I don’t know if we will ever be able to do in the future what we did under the USSR. The only thing that remains for us is to dream, to dream and to set the dates when the dream can come true.

    If you smear snot on your face, lie on the couch and wonderfully dream and engage in manilism, then nothing but coming up with something like that .... nothing will work. If you can’t do anything, do not distract others. Be quiet louder.
  12. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 3 2020 07: 28
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    Quote: Sapsan136
    To begin with, Ruslan is not Ukrainian, but Soviet, but what will happen to the Russian Federation, wait and see ...

    Better start by first unlearning a lawyer, and then reasoning about intellectual property rights.
    1. JD1979 Offline
      JD1979 (Dmitriy) April 3 2020 16: 52
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Better start by first unlearning a lawyer, and then reasoning about intellectual property rights.

      Better start with examples, who and when did intellectual property rights stop? You have already been given a couple of examples, so why should this stop Russia? Moreover, the copyright holder, who actually produces nothing, is a corpse, and will soon be a legal corpse.
  13. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 3 2020 07: 29
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    Quote: Lieutenant Rzhevsky I
    God knows him. He is muddy.

    But with you everything is very clear. hi hi
  14. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 3 2020 07: 30
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    Quote: Orange Big
    Quote: Lieutenant Rzhevsky I
    It is useless, this is Sergey Marzhetsky.

    Does he have liberal views or is he Ukrainian? I’m writing not only for Marzhetsky, but trying to give an objective assessment of what was written. Discuss with everyone.

    I am a Russian leftist. But what a mess in your head ....
    1. Orange big Offline
      Orange big (Max) April 3 2020 10: 25
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      But what a mess in your head ....

      Please explain this phrase. Are you talking about mythical intellectual property rights, including the An-124? All over the world, especially in the military-industrial complex, they spat on them. China copies what it wants, gives its name and greetings. The same applies to Kalashnikov’s production in the USA, no one gave them permission to do this, but this does not bother them. What can we say about Ukraine, which copied our ATGMs and gave them its name? Also, Ukraine independently remotorizes Mi helicopters, the intellectual rights to which, judging by your logic, belong to the Mil plant, so why then we cannot remotorize the An-124, just putting our engines in the same way, or resume the production of the An-124, changing it a bit, putting it other engines. The Europeans set up the production of the A-400M, although this, in fact, is a slightly modified copy of either the An-70, or An-74, I don’t remember exactly now, intellectual property rights, in theory, should belong to Ukraine, but these are Europeans it didn’t hurt. So no lawyers here will help anyone if someone decides to produce something at home very similar to what they produce in any other conditional country.
  15. Sorry for illiteracy, but where is the elephant tail?
    1. boriz Offline
      boriz (boriz) April 3 2020 18: 27
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      In the photo, just a working layout for blowing in a pipe. There are no other pictures of the Elephant, but this one was given. And on the tail, maybe at that moment they also didn’t decide what form it would be.
      1. So, the Ilyushin project is better.
  16. Maxim V Offline
    Maxim V (Maxim Vshivtsev) April 3 2020 21: 30
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    There is NOT only not any “vUKrainsky” “Ruslan” ......... Not even a “vUKrainsky vuKrainy” - NO !!!! :))))))

    Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov (1906 - 1984) - Soviet aircraft designer, doctor of technical sciences (1960), professor (1978), academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences. Hero of Socialist Labor. Laureate of the Lenin Prize and the Stalin Prize of the second degree. Born on January 25 (February 7), 1906, in the village of Trinity, Voronovo volost, Podolsky district, Moscow province (now - as part of the Trinity administrative district of Moscow). Russian. Since 1912 he lived in the city of Saratov. In 1915-1922 he studied at the Saratov real school (he graduated from two classes) and high school (now - school number 23).
    Alma Mater: Leningrad Polytechnic Institute.

    ....... As you can see, not the slightest hint of ukrOPOPitekitost :) :) :) :)
  17. Maikl59 Offline
    Maikl59 (Michael) April 4 2020 13: 02
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    The correct title is: -

    Will the Russian transporters Elephant and Ermak be better than the Soviet Ruslan?
  18. master3 Offline
    master3 (Vitali) April 5 2020 11: 53
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    Will there be Russian transporters ...

    - will not!
  19. 69 Offline
    69 April 5 2020 12: 55
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    The comparison is incorrect, the aviation industry of the Ukrainian economy died with Ukraine.
  20. Rus Offline
    Rus April 10 2020 20: 49
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    Ruslan Ukrainian flies, but there are no others yet! What is the article about?