The Diplomat: Certain Tension Between Russia and China


A certain tension has arisen between Russia and China related to the coronavirus pandemic, writes The Diplomat. On the surface, we are talking about the alleged discrimination of citizens of the Middle Kingdom in connection with quarantine. However, we can talk about a different understanding of the future world order.


Both Moscow and Beijing are not comfortable with Washington’s interference in what they consider their spheres of influence. This is what unites the Eurasian powers, forcing them to smooth out the contradictions.

However, The Diplomat notes, there is a clear imbalance between countries. Economy China is much larger than Russia, in addition, in Beijing they see a preferable future in the form of a G-2 with the United States, while Moscow would like to have a multipolar world and a "concert of powers."

But for now, any differences will be somehow resolved, since the two neighboring powers are too interested in each other. The common enemy, represented by the United States, still poses a threat. In addition, the Russians need China to restore the economy with it. In particular, we are talking about national projects worth $ 400 billion, the implementation of which is frustrated by a pandemic and low oil prices.

The modern alliance of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping is based not on an imaginary "fraternity", but on a real policies. So, cooperation will continue, no matter what.
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  1. Observer2014 Offline
    Observer2014 15 March 2020 20: 34
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    I do not understand. A green piece of paper will crash or not ?! Volcano, such a dog, everything does not work. am

    future in the form of G-2

    And it's all about that !! ???
    1. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 15 March 2020 23: 20
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      And it's all about that !! ???

      There was a format G7, G8, again G7, added G20. And G2 is China + USA. China wants for two with the United States to resolve all matters in the world. Therefore, Putin is throwing the United States in an oil war, if the US economy collapses, then China will collapse. Then there will be not 2 centers, but about 6 currency zones. Along the way, the dollar will cease to be a universal currency. Already, Trump advocates that the shares of Chinese companies not be traded on Amer exchanges, so that the Chinese have no access to shares of high-tech companies. And why then the Chinese dollar, if there is nowhere to spend it? Amers have plans to reset all dollars abroad. But in the implementation of these plans, the IMF, the Fed (like a world printing press), etc. will quietly die. And then we will not have to pay tribute to the West. Trump's failure to comply with the old rules will give us the right to terminate our previous relations with the IMF.
      A green piece of paper may not collapse, but it will lose its global significance. Oil, gas, sugar, etc. will be traded for 6 currencies. Everyone will gather and determine new relationships, payment systems, some changes in the borders of some states, etc. Yalta 2.0. Although, Trump may introduce a new dollar, and this stupidly quit, along with the Fed.
      True, the exact scenarios are still unclear. If Trump wins normally, there will be a soft transition to a new order, and if he is not allowed to win (for example, they will kill), chaos will begin, a civil war will begin in the USA, a severe collapse of the economies tied to the USA. In general, the United States and without a volcano will not seem enough.
      Although the crisis and depression, even under a mild scenario, will surpass the collapse of markets and the depression of 1929-30. Such circumstances have already developed.
      Moreover, the collapse of markets has only just begun. To try to understand the depth of the abyss, you need to know that the volume of real (direct) oil contracts is about $ 75 billion. And the volume of oil derivatives (secondary and further pieces of paper framed around oil) is about $ 2 QUADRILLIONS. All these pieces of paper were traded on exchanges, and if the oil price stays at around $ 40 for a long time, it will come to people that this is just waste paper. And in the USA (and not only), many millions of people worked with these pieces of paper and received a good salary. The same fate will befall other secondary pieces of paper (for gas, sugar, gold, etc.). Many millions of brokers (and others working with this waste paper), as well as people who sold them goods and services, will lose their jobs. It will be many tens of millions of jobs only. Yes, plus idle wives and children. And this is in a country full of weapons.
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 16 March 2020 08: 39
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        Therefore, Putin throws the United States in an oil war if the US economy collapses ...

        - what?!!!! This is from the heart !!! But by chance, at the command of Putin, the sun will not go out, or the law of gravity will not be canceled?
        1. boriz Online
          boriz (boriz) 16 March 2020 15: 23
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          If you are not in the know, then yesterday (Sunday, for a minute), the Fed rally was urgently held and the refinancing rate was lowered. Almost to 0. Specifically: level 0 - 0,25%. When M.L. Khazin in 2003 predicted the crisis of 2008, he did not determine the date of the crisis, but the moment the rate fell just to that value.
          But now there is another subtlety. The rate has been reduced immediately by 100 percentage points. Translated into ordinary language - by 1%. Is this a lot? It seems not so. But ... Usually a one-time reduction in the rate is 0,125%, well, 0,25%. During the 2008 crisis, a one-time reduction in rates several times reached 0,5%.
          A one-time reduction of the Fed's refinancing rate by 0,75% was NEVER in history. And yesterday she was thrown off for the WHOLE 1%. Combined with the Fed’s Sunday gathering, it’s not just talking about something, it’s loud yelling. What - we don’t know yet. But it’s obvious that there is some huge hole in the US economy.
          Well, for a laugh, soon the US counters will look like in the late USSR. They don’t even make toilet paper themselves. A container ship from China has long been gone.
          Putin does not need to abolish the law of gravity and extinguish the sun.
          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 16 March 2020 15: 42
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            Almost all economies of the world have difficulties now, but do not you think that the stability margin of the American economy is ten times higher than some well-known countries. And when

            US counters will look like in the late USSR

            - in other countries they will be in an absolutely literal sense (quotation marks, I don’t put them as unnecessary), the last .... to eat up without salt? And it’s very remarkable that the well-known “predictors”, like Khazin, Katasonov, Glazyev, etc. to real state affairs are not particularly allowed.
            1. boriz Online
              boriz (boriz) 16 March 2020 15: 50
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              What I wrote about the rate is like a patient’s temperature of 42,5 degrees Celsius. You can talk as much as you like about his good health. But the US economy does not have a margin of safety. According to quite objective indicators.
              As for toilet paper and other things, then the economy has nothing to do with it. Due to the coronavirus, there are no shipments from China. There is money. There is no paper. No one doubts that the United States is able to establish its production (price is a separate issue), but this takes time (and, by the way, money). But there is no time. So, until the end of the viral panic, they will have to wipe their ass with a newspaper. Interestingly, do they have paper for newspapers?
              1. Ivan Semenov Offline
                Ivan Semenov (Ivan Semenov) 17 March 2020 09: 52
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                I have long read that once the Indian leader uttered:

                The time will come when the pale-faced people realize that their dollars are not edible, but it will be too late.
            2. boriz Online
              boriz (boriz) 16 March 2020 17: 38
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              Well, cherry on the discussion cake. Today, at the opening of trading in the United States, the Dow Jones Index simultaneously lost 2250 points, or 9,71%. Trading stopped, then started again. And, at 16.54 Moscow time, the index dipped to 12% from the start of trading.
              In 2015, Trump said that the president, under whose rule Dow Jones would lose 1000 points in a day, deserves to be loaded with a cannon and shot towards the Sun.
      2. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 16 March 2020 13: 13
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        The struggle, this collapse will affect us, of course, but not so much that our economy will collapse after it. As you rightly pointed out, another "Great Depression" may come. Trump, of course, is trying to promote the real economy in the country. But it is not known how much he is allowed to rule. And a significant part of his strength goes into the internal war with the "Washington swamp." So yes, funny times are coming. The main thing is that the spinning flywheel of the VD does not hit us (because we, too, are economically tied to this country). The best thing for us would be an economic repetition of the situation of the same 20-30s, when the United States drove us their plants "turnkey", specialists ... in general, it is clear. If only the drought of those years when there was a famine would not come, even if there will be a drought, it is unlikely that famine will come - industry is too developed in this sense ... And here it will be important for our leadership not to miss the moment when from amers it will be possible to buy everything and everything cheaply ... Then the IVS did not miss a chance. How now everything will turn out is not known ...
        1. boriz Online
          boriz (boriz) 16 March 2020 15: 10
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          The best for us would be an economic repetition of the situation of the same 20-30s, when they sent us their turnkey plants, specialists ...

          When cutting currency zones, Japan will fall into our zone. That is, those technologies that we lack (basically, this is the production of CEA element base) of the Russian Federation will receive from Japan. Yes. All sorts of iPhones for our currency zone will be released by Japan (as in CMEA Hungary - Ikarus, Bulgaria - vegetables, etc.). But the RF will have the opportunity to release these products and release them for strategic needs.
          And I didn’t speak about the collapse of our economy. We just do not have a reason for this. Starting with the fact that the trade turnover with us in the USA is below the level of urban sewage. This is the EU and China will be gnawing at each other's throats with the United States for the level of the trade balance. And we have a rich set of nasty things for the USA.
          In order not to repeat, in the commentary on this article

          https://topcor.ru/13598-reshitsja-li-tramp-dobit-jekonomiku-rossii.html#comment

          I have listed something. As well as the attitude to our prospects in the global crisis.
          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 16 March 2020 19: 03
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            When cutting currency zones, Japan will fall into our zone.

            - how amusing to read all this ...
            Very much you remind me of one hero of a wonderful satirical novel.
          2. A.Lex Offline
            A.Lex (Secret information) 17 March 2020 17: 46
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            The struggle, as if it were not bad for the Americans, they will not give up the japs ​​- they will strangle themselves, but they will not give up. This is such a lever of pressure on us!
            1. boriz Online
              boriz (boriz) 17 March 2020 20: 54
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              Too far. They will no longer be able to afford the extra costs. And if we do not pick up the japs, then China and both Koreas will crush them into powder. And in memory of WWII (they did not forget either the 15 million dead, the girls stolen in brothels, or the experiments on people with chemical and bacteriological weapons) and as competitors.
              About the almighty USA just forget. You yourself will be surprised at how rapidly they roll.
              And in Yalta 2.0, they will agree on zones of influence and will not climb into strangers in the near foreseeable future. Internal worries will be above the roof.
              Look, look at the Dow Jones 30. From 12.02.2020/29/477 it fell from 20 to yesterday's 000. Today there is a rebound, but it has already entered the roller coaster mode. Even the look of the graph is ugly.

              https://ru.tradingview.com/symbols/DJ-DJI/

              And Japan has no leverage on us. Empty chatter. An attempt to fill the price when entering our zone. Ours already stopped talking to them. And they use this topic for purely internal use, in the struggle for the electorate. They just have nowhere to go. As a manufacturer, they do not need amers at all, they want to produce everything themselves. As a market, Japan is even worse. Nothing personal, just business. Just throw, not the first time.
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  3. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 16 March 2020 05: 35
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    In addition, the Russians need China to restore the economy with it. In particular, we are talking about national projects worth $ 400 billion, the implementation of which is frustrated by a pandemic and low oil prices.

    - Quote from Notes of the Madman ...
    - Yes, China needs this ... - provide assistance to restore the Russian economy ???
    - This is as necessary for China as ... as for Hua Hua the fifth leg ...
    - This is Russia all cares ... how best to please China, and China itself ...- all the aspirations and anxious hopes of Russia ...- violet-drum ...

    The modern alliance of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping is not based on an imaginary "fraternity", but on real politics.

    - Such a "alliance" in real life is simply impossible to imagine ..: - Such a "alliance" ... just nonsense ... - Moreover, it is very short-lived ... - such a short-lived "theatrical of the absurd" ...:
    - On the one hand, a weak dwarf who has innumerable treasures (oil, gas, coal, ores, gold, diamonds, etc.) and immense bins with any vital natural deficit (rivers, seas, fields, forests and the gigantic territory itself and etc.); which in area are comparable only with outer space; inherited by the dwarf, after the death of the mighty grandfather ...
    “On the other hand, hefty, with huge fists (which they“ itch ”in order to crush a dwarf) ... - a horse (who at least beat him on the forehead) .., with a whole innumerable crowd of his fellow tribesmen behind his back; which for a long time too small housing and the space that nature took away for all this, beyond any measure of multiplied ... countless crowds ... - And all this cluster has long "spilled over the edge" of its living space and has long been all by hook or by crook, it began to spread through the alien living space, appropriating and adjusting this space exclusively for itself ...
    - Of course ...- the dwarf is trying to please the verzil ... - he is scurrying about ...- constantly poking him all kinds of gifts ...- military equipment (which also does not have the dwarf in the required quantity); conducts gas pipes to the veril to make it comfortable; almost for free throws him his scarce forest, etc. etc ... - But ..., the bastard is insatiable ...- and each time demands more and more ...
    - But the dwarf is all fussing and fussing ... - But ...- how long will this "fuss" last for ???
    1. Igor Pavlovich Offline
      Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 16 March 2020 09: 23
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      ... On the one hand, a weak dwarf, on the other hand, hefty, with huge fists ... bastard ...

      - directly a fairy tale about Koshchei the Immortal and Ilya of Muromets, or whatever it is, Ilhua Khuarovets ...
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      Vall eremkin (Vall Eremkin) 16 March 2020 12: 53
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      Do you have all such writers with a sore imagination? It is very funny to watch the fading of your last hope for a certain "Giant", in which 70% of the population still lives in slums, which still have to row and row before normal civilization. With whom Russia has the best political and economic relations in history. Which is supposedly about to crush Russia. And what did he crush, you talkers did not want to think? Have you heard anything about nuclear weapons, in one salvo clearing the concentration of a millionth army? And they heard, and they are not like you, so that in the next 100 years they even think about some kind of movement to the north. So write your crazy nasty essays about Russia and its dwarfism the trace of 100 years to us for fun.
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      2. gorenina91 Offline
        gorenina91 (Irina) 16 March 2020 13: 46
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        Have you heard anything about nuclear weapons, in one salvo clearing the concentration of a millionth army?

        - At least you are aware of that and about ... what you are broadcasting ... - Today, nuclear weapons ... are weapons of self-destruction ... - Today it’s dangerous to bombard a neighboring planet ...
        - And how to apply it against neighboring states (in this case China) ... - and how to apply ??? - Than you order to shoot ... - RIAC ??? - So we still “drank” them under Gorbachev; but they haven’t done any new ones yet ... - and the Gauges are not suitable for this yet ... ..
        - Or Intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) ... - "Yars", or something, will you shoot ??? - For this, Russia needs (necessary) to declare and conduct a total evacuation of the entire populated Daln in advance. East and half East. Siberia ... - Otherwise, it’s its own ... - it’ll cover up to the Urals (thieves will be delighted that they plundered the Vostochny Cosmodrome, who today are afraid of a possible investigation ... - they’ll write off everything at once) ......
        - So what is next??? - And who won ??? - You are broadcasting that, they say ... - "they are clearing the concentration of the millionth army?" ... - Ha ..., yes, the Chinese, after such a cleansing "... in 20 years, there will even be even more ... - China will declare a "birth plan" ... - to each family ... - to have at least five children ... - and the Chinese will overfulfill it with great enthusiasm ... - And what about the number of Russians will ... - there will remain 20 million- 30, at the worst ... - Exactly what the USA and the whole Western Europe dream so much about ... - So, about the use of "short-range" nuclear weapons ... - this is all "couch talk" for ordinary people .. .

        And they heard, and they are not like you, so that in the next 100 years they even think about some kind of movement to the north.

        - And you, obviously, are “they” ... - Well, well ... - you still have to wait ... - Apparently, your time has not come yet ... - And we should pray to God that it never came ...
        1. Vall eremkin Offline
          Vall eremkin (Vall Eremkin) 16 March 2020 14: 23
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          Yes, you, mother, schizophrenia, judging by the writing style. It is clear that in Sumeria, it has 20% of the population, but you are their bright representative, however. You probably live a very bright life. Do you communicate with Mikhail Yurievich in the evenings yet?
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          Vall eremkin (Vall Eremkin) 16 March 2020 14: 29
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          About shipping methods, however.
          Cruise missile X-102. Range of 5 thousand km from Tu-95 and Tu-160, without entering the air defense coverage area. Each carries from 12 to 24x X-102.
          In the military doctrine of Russia in black and white on the use of nuclear weapons in an attack, even by conventional means. Believe me, no one will be shy.
          The victory will be the complete destruction of enemy forces and the cessation of their aggression.
          And then let them breed again, of course, until the next time. )))
          1. gorenina91 Offline
            gorenina91 (Irina) 16 March 2020 14: 55
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            Do you communicate with Mikhail Yurievich in the evenings yet?

            Cruise missile X-102. The range of 5 thousand km from Tu95 and Tu-160, without entering the air defense coverage area. Each carries from 12 to 24x X-102.

            - To whom are we writing all this ??? - Pushkin, Tolstoy, and, well, yes ..... - Lermontov ...- most likely, this, apparently ... - you are with him "on a short leg" ...
            - Cruise missile X-102. Range of 5 thousand km from Tu-95, etc ... - Maybe also about the failed ...- optoelectronic system for correcting the trajectory with television guidance at the last stages of the flight ... mention ... - me too. .. strategist found a sofa ...
            - Subsonic X-102 ... - yes, only the lazy one will not bring it down ... even any not very advanced air defense will easily get it ... - And Russia, all the more already managed to deliver its S-400 to China ...- In time Russia for China "has become too distant" ... - for sure, the Chinese are already in full swing their "analogues" of the S-400 ... are riveting ...- even with even better software and "guidance" ...
            - Do not write about what you have no idea ...
            - And ... by the way ... - you are now in group "O" ... - so do not contact me anymore ...
  4. Regis Offline
    Regis (Sergey Kopan) 16 March 2020 13: 26
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    The Diploma, a liberal publication, believe them - do not respect yourself! Author!! Shame on you? Blowing out an elephant fly? Find a more serious publication, not with such yellow pages.
  5. A.Lex Offline
    A.Lex (Secret information) 16 March 2020 13: 35
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    In addition, the Russians need China to restore the economy with it.

    What nonsense ?! To me, a Russian, China did not fall for nothing. In order to work, I need a sane leader of our enterprise and normal leadership of the country - that’s all! Now everything seems to be moving in the right direction (although not in everything). Everything that was in Russia at different times was done by the people and normal leaders who did not need the approval of OUTSIDE.
    Therefore, we understood for a long time (well, how long - about 20 years ... unfortunately): If your economic actions are approved by the "world community", then your economy is going downhill ... And vice versa: If you are scolded, then you are almost everything doing it right!
    Whether we are moving in the right direction or not, it will be possible to find out only after a while.
    1. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 16 March 2020 15: 38
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      All we need for normal development is to stop paying tribute to the IMF, start lending our economy with our own money at an adequate percentage, gain access to YOUR money in all kinds of Savings Funds and 13 trillion rubles in the budget. Believe me, in the West they envy the state of our economy.
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    orange (ororpore) 16 March 2020 14: 56
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    One thing is clear, China in the long run will be a competitor and enemy of Russia.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 16 March 2020 19: 04
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      That's for sure.
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    Bobxnumx (Boris) 17 March 2020 10: 37
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    Green will crash soon!
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 17 March 2020 16: 53
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      If ... but this is unlikely ...
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        boriz (boriz) 17 March 2020 21: 10
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        There are two scenarios. If Trump wins, then the dollar will simply lose its role as the main currency, it will be one of the regional currencies. And if Trump is not allowed to win (for example, they kill), then they will begin chaos, civil war. It will already be a collapse. And this scenario seems pretty likely to me. History, statistics and simple everyday logic speak for it.