Americans believe that the United States may break up into separate states


The United States of America can split into individual countries, according to a forecast published on the website of the Mises Institute analytical center (Auburn, Alabama). The study has an opinion that issues of immigration, abortion, and arms rights can be resolved decentralized, even if the states are divided into smaller administrative units or even leave the United States.


A single state is losing its appeal, especially in individual demographic groups, such as Hispanics. A similar number of young people have similar views.

States administering their own immigration systems separate from any national policy, have now become the norm, as the practice of refuge cities or even the whole of California shows. Some states have also tapped into foreign or monetary policy, proposing that gold and silver become legal tender, as well as seeking to deter their own National Guard forces from engaging in unconstitutional wars.

- noted in the publication.

Currently, states or territories (such as Guam, Puerto Rico, or the Northern Mariana Islands) cannot declare independence unilaterally. However, some entities, such as the Philippines or the islands of Palau, previously successfully managed to secede from the United States, becoming independent states.
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  2. Cheburashk Online
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 14 March 2020 23: 50
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    Damn, it would be more likely to have already broken up, for many it will only become easier!
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      Observer2014 15 March 2020 07: 35
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      Quote: Cheburashk
      Damn, it would be more likely to have already broken up, for many it will only become easier!

      fool Dreams richer. They forgot about the volcano. laughing
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        Cheburashk (Vladimir) 16 March 2020 10: 58
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        When will you calm down, huh? Not tired of being smart, huh, genius?
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      Netyn (Netyn) 16 March 2020 19: 15
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      Well, they began to write about the decaying West in Russia in the middle of the 19th century. Even A.S. Pushkin went through criticism in the States)

  3. Looks like the end of the states is coming! Well, thank God!
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      Observer2014 15 March 2020 07: 38
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      Looks like the end of the states is coming! Well, thank God!

      laughing Yeah. He said, having received an average Russian $ 150 pension. lol
      1. And what, the States will increase it to me to a couple of thousand? Ha ha ha ..
  4. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 15 March 2020 00: 24
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    Well, finally ripe. laughing California and Alaska have long gone to their home harbor. winked
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      Observer2014 15 March 2020 07: 40
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      Well, finally ripe. laughing California and Alaska have long gone to their home harbor. winked

      Locals lynch you there. If you tell them our Russian economic prospects. And for a long time. And in a perverted form. laughing Our pensions and salaries sound to the Americans. They will fight one hundred and ten percent for the USA. To the last drop of blood.
      1. Cheburashk Online
        Cheburashk (Vladimir) 16 March 2020 11: 00
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        Wise guy, then go to the States to live, what did you forget?
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 March 2020 08: 47
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      It’s necessary to freeze such nonsense. I can imagine what a tremendous shock would be for the residents of these states if they were in their "home harbor."
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        123 (123) 15 March 2020 14: 52
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        It’s necessary to freeze such nonsense. I can imagine what a tremendous shock would be for the residents of these states if they were in their "home harbor."

        Perhaps you are right in something what it is necessary to make a transition period for acclimatization. yes It is necessary to protect the psyche of citizens of the new federal districts, you cannot immediately dump so much good on them. laughing
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          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 March 2020 15: 01
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          Unfortunately, I’m afraid it won’t work out, so many good things will fall out there right away. How many new psychiatric hospitals will be needed? But we do not know how to build a hospital in a few days, as the Chinese do. While we will build it in a few years, there will be a catastrophe with mental health, I'm afraid it will be cleaner than a coronavirus.
          Having become entranced, will you get used to such good things right away ?!
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            123 (123) 15 March 2020 17: 24
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            Unfortunately, I’m afraid it won’t work out, so many good things will fall out there right away.

            Do not be afraid, they quickly get used to the good. yes

            How many new psychiatric hospitals will be needed?

            You don’t need new ones, if anything, they will cure you of the available ones.

            But we do not know how to build a hospital in a few days, as the Chinese do.

            And we, fortunately, are not needed. If necessary, we will master the assembly of temporary premises modules.

            While we will build it in a few years, there will be a catastrophe with mental health, I'm afraid it will be cleaner than a coronavirus.

            Don’t worry, you don’t have to go there, and the appearance of local people who need treatment is not expected.
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          Bitter (Gleb) 15 March 2020 16: 13
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          You are right, it is necessary to make a transition period for acclimatization.

          Yes Yes. good
          A kind of "perestroika", as in Russia, for 15 years and send more advisers there. lol There, the lads from the BNU office probably sat up and gathered at lightning speed for an extraordinary cut of dough and resources. fellow
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            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 March 2020 16: 42
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            There, the lads from the BNU office probably sat up and immediately gathered for an extraordinary cut of dough and resources

            Something I don’t quite understand last 20 years also BNU "sawed"?
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              Bitter (Gleb) 15 March 2020 16: 49
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              No, of course, but all the lads are attached somewhere, if not in the cemetery.
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            123 (123) 15 March 2020 21: 35
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            Yes Yes. A kind of "perestroika", as in Russia, for 15 years and send more advisers there. There, the lads from the BNU office probably sat up and gathered at lightning speed for an extraordinary cut of dough and resources.

            No need to send anyone. stop Firstly, all these "advisers" and so live there. Secondly, why rob your own population? no Is it preliminarily, before joining, that thanks be filled? what
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              Bitter (Gleb) 16 March 2020 00: 50
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              why rob your own population?

              Ask this question to the associates and followers of BNE. And why should Californians and Alaskans reconnect somewhere, on the other side of the ocean Russia is transferring enough oil and gas dollars and does not forget to invest in securities in a timely manner.
              So, most likely, they will prefer to express their gratitude from afar.
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              Smile and wave
              Wave your wave our
              Waving, waving ...
        3. Alexzn Online
          Alexzn (Alexander) 15 March 2020 19: 56
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          It’s necessary to freeze such nonsense. I can imagine what a tremendous shock would be for the residents of these states if they were in their "home harbor."

          Perhaps you are right in something what it is necessary to make a transition period for acclimatization. yes It is necessary to protect the psyche of citizens of the new federal districts, you cannot immediately dump so much good on them. laughing

          After all, they need time to get used to the fret instead of all Lincoln!
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            123 (123) 15 March 2020 21: 40
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            After all, they need time to get used to the Lada instead of all Lincoln!

            Well, this is not a big problem, Lincoln is a rarity anymore, here are the statistics of sales for 2019.

            http://serega.icnet.ru/cars-sales-actual-usa.html

            - Yes, and not all of us ride on Ladas.
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              Alexzn (Alexander) 15 March 2020 22: 11
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              After all, they need time to get used to the Lada instead of all Lincoln!

              Well, this is not a big problem, Lincoln is a rarity anymore, here are the statistics of sales for 2019.

              http://serega.icnet.ru/cars-sales-actual-usa.html
              Yes, and not all of us ride on Ladas.

              I think the Americans will be reassured that not everyone will ride the Frets.
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                123 (123) 16 March 2020 01: 12
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                I think the Americans will be reassured that not everyone will ride the Frets.

                Well, if this is the only thing that can bother them, then everything is not so bad. By the way, I looked into the courtyard, Lada is not a single one. winked
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              Alexzn (Alexander) 15 March 2020 22: 18
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              About sales statistics.
              In 2019, it was sold in Russia 1 759 532 new passenger and light commercial vehicles, which is 2,3% (41,1 thousand units) less than in 2018.
              More at Autonews:
              https://www.autonews.ru/news/5e1d98d59a79473f3baa2e4b
              According to GoodCarBadCar, sales of new cars in the United States in 2019 amounted to 17 млн., which is 1,6% less than 2018 (detailed data for 2018 can be found here).
              In the first place Ford, which sold 2,3 million cars, which is 3,7% less than a year before. Toyota followed by 2,1 million (-2,0%) and Chevrolet 2,0 million (-3,8%).
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                123 (123) 16 March 2020 01: 29
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                The meaning of this comparison is incomprehensible, that sales are about 10 times more, this is not news. Speak directly what you wanted, do not hide behind statistics.
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                  Alexzn (Alexander) 16 March 2020 19: 20
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                  Surprised by the question, sort of like statistics on your link.
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              Bitter (Gleb) 16 March 2020 01: 06
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              "Lincoln" all sorts are rare

              Well, this is understandable, but in the schedule I did not see a single Lada. request
              If there was at least one, we could talk about the phenomenal growth in sales of Russian-made cars in the United States by as much as 100%. wassat
              Why are all kinds of Lincoln with Buicks and Cadillacs sold in Russia, but Lada in the Americas?
              Somehow it’s undemocratic, maybe there is at least one representation?
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                123 (123) 16 March 2020 01: 51
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                Well, this is understandable, but in the schedule I did not see a single Lada. request
                If there was at least one, we could talk about the phenomenal growth in sales of Russian-made cars in the United States by as much as 100%. Why are all kinds of Lincoln with Buicks and Cadillacs sold in Russia, but Lada in the Americas?

                And you’ll hardly see it. For several reasons. Firstly, this market is so arranged. For Americans, cars are much cheaper, the market is oversaturated, the local consumer, if I may say so, is snickering, and Lada is a completely different price category, so to speak, “budget”. Secondly, all sorts of Cadillacs and they do not have sales leaders, local manufacturers lose to the Japanese, Germans and so on. To make a good car, you have to look up to them, not the Americans. Which is hardly possible in the short term. The same Japanese, Koreans and Europeans dominate our market. The emergence of a new car brand from scratch is not an easy task. Maybe, of course, something will develop on the basis of Aurus, but it will not be soon. Thirdly, mutual trade between the USA and Russia is scanty. Our manufacturers are allowed into this market as a last resort, and they are extremely uninterested in the development of our automobile industry. If you remember, at one time, even the "Opel" was never sold.

                Somehow it’s undemocratic, maybe there is at least one representation?

                Soon there will be no sales offices left at all.
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                  Bitter (Gleb) 16 March 2020 11: 11
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                  Cadillacs and they are not sales leaders

                  This is just understandable, privileged class cars. But on the other hand, starting in 1920, more than one car was released from the conveyors of the plant and there are not a few of them on the secondary market. And this is already the sale of aggregates and spare parts, not a frail market.

                  local producers lose to the Japanese, Germans and so on.

                  Of course, if the "yaps" and the Germans would make products in their own countries or America, then the prices would be somewhat different, but often all these Toyota and Audi for the American market are riveting somewhere in Mexico. Concerns rake money in buckets, bypassing their own compatriots, and the buyer also overpays.

                  Maybe, of course, something will develop on the basis of Aurus, but it will not be soon.

                  I don’t think problems with licenses for various units will start there very quickly. If only the "invisible hand of the market" and the lobby will help them with cash infusions and a good word.

                  and they are extremely uninterested in the development of our automobile industry.

                  This is quite understandable and understandable. Sometimes it seems that no one is interested in the development of the domestic auto industry and locally in Russia. Otherwise, we would have chased the salons for the sixth or seventh version of the “loaf” and it would have looked no worse than the German Multivan T6.
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                    123 (123) 16 March 2020 17: 15
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                    This is just understandable, privileged class cars.
                    But on the other hand, starting in 1920, more than one car was released from the conveyors of the plant and there are many of them in the secondary market. And this is already the sale of aggregates, and spare parts, a very not frail market.

                    Preferred class cars, rather Maybach, etc. laughing
                    Cars that have been off the assembly line since 1920 are mostly in landfills and museums, and there are fewer of them. This is the same as for us to start making spare parts for the Volga or Moskvich.

                    I don’t think problems with licenses for various units will start there very quickly.
                    If only the "invisible hand of the market" and the lobby will help them with cash infusions and a good word.

                    Do you also think that Aurus was copied from other machines? What problems can be with licenses?

                    Sometimes it seems that no one is interested in the development of the domestic auto industry and locally in Russia.

                    The situation is not very different from other countries, and the automobile industry was not a priority in the USSR either. And who on the ground should be interested in the development of the automotive industry? The plant has an owner, let it hurt his head. While they are buying, they will continue to make them. Do not buy, production itself will cease.

                    Otherwise, we would have chased the salons for the sixth or seventh version of the "loaf" and it would have looked no worse than the German Multivan T-6

                    Of course, they can be compared only with a stretch, but in fairness, the “loaf” was created for other tasks. Used both machines, the German from the snow dug up a shovel repeatedly, the pleasure is still, and heavy, infection. laughing I don’t feel like driving off the asphalt on it. no
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                      Bitter (Gleb) 17 March 2020 00: 38
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                      Preferred class cars, rather Maybach, etc.

                      However, Lincoln still exists, but where is your much-praised Maybach today? Ended up.
                      However, it was thanks to the privileged brands of cars that it became possible later to install different systems and gadgets on medium and small cars.

                      Of course, you can compare them only with a stretch, but in fairness,

                      Come on. The initial reserve was approximately the same.


                      Conveyor T2


                      UAZ 450

                      But then something went wrong. If some had a clear installation every 7-8 years to release a new model, then for some reason others leaned on the number of units released. If there was Stalin, he could somehow lightly slap on the back of his head and make the apparatchiks work, and so everything was left to the mercy of whom it is not clear to anyone. recourse

                      I dug a German out of the snow with a shovel repeatedly, pleasure is still, and heavy, infection. laughing From the asphalt on it do not want to move out at all.

                      Well, everything is simple. Gathered to drive off the road, then this is a planned outing or hunt.
                      Where is the problem? Put the appropriate tires on your all-wheel-drive car and forward.


                      THEN after such a trip will be very useful, so the budget should also foresee this.
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                        123 (123) 17 March 2020 00: 53
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                        However, Lincoln still exists, but where is your much-praised Maybach today? Ended up.
                        However, it was thanks to the privileged brands of cars that it became possible later to install different systems and gadgets on both medium and small cars.

                        I think so, if you score in the search "Maybach buy", apparently, the result will be.

                        Come on. The initial reserve was approximately the same.
                        But then something went wrong. If some had a clear installation every 7-8 years to release a new model, then for some reason others leaned on the number of units released.

                        I will remind you what went wrong. It was believed that the auto industry was not a priority, releasing new models is a pampering, it will suit people.
                        By the way, UAZ was simply impossible to buy. They were not stupidly sold.

                        If there were Stalin, he might have somehow made light slaps on the back of his head and made the apparatchiks work, and so everything was thrown at the mercy of whom it is not clear to anyone.

                        If everything works only by slap, then in the country far from everything is in order.

                        Well, everything is simple. Gathered to drive off the road, then this is a planned outing or hunt.
                        Where is the problem? Put the appropriate tires on your all-wheel-drive car and forward.

                        He was rear-wheel drive not 4x4. laughing
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                        Bitter (Gleb) 18 March 2020 00: 51
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                        I think so, if you score in the search "Maybach buy", apparently, the result will be.

                        Oh sure. But not new, but rather second-hand, albeit brilliant.
                        I understand that Russian dealers could, of course, buy a couple of hundred for the future and hide it somewhere in the bushes or “at the request” of a customer to paste Mercedes with Chinese Maybach stickers and say that they’ve just taken off the line, " the fly did not sit. "
                        By the way, if you score in America, "Buy a Lada", apparently, too, the result will be, 100%. But the new Frets are probably not allowed into America, for a simple reason, they have a Russian passport. laughing

                        It was believed that the auto industry was not a priority, releasing new models is a pampering, it will suit people.

                        Until the age of 55, progress went by leaps and bounds in all sectors, and then only strategic ones remained.
                        And now the situation is not much better, Almaty, Coalition and other "phantoms" are sawing on folk money, but the "loaf" is still the same.

                        If everything works only by slap, then in the country far from everything is in order.

                        Then nowhere is it okay if Western manufacturers do not invest in the development of their machines, financial and other "troubles" await them.
                        Believe me, they also have a "plan" and there is a demand for it. Otherwise, for example, all these dances with euros 2, 4, 5, 6 would not be necessary for anyone.

                        He was rear-wheel drive not 4x4.

                        Then excusable.
                        With a rear-wheel drive, all drivers can drive well, and modern machine drivers (not drivers) can only drive with the front, and sometimes it drifts.
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                        123 (123) 18 March 2020 02: 29
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                        Oh sure. But not new, but rather second-hand, albeit brilliant.
                        I understand that Russian dealers could, of course, buy a couple of hundred for the future and hide it somewhere in the bushes or “at the request” of a customer to paste Mercedes with Chinese Maybach stickers and say that they’ve just taken off the line, " the fly did not sit. "

                        Scored in the search for "Maybach buy." By the first link, new ones, however, this is not quite right, since 2015 the brand has been partially restored and now it is Mercedes-Maybach.

                        By the way, if you score in America, "Buy a Lada", apparently, the result will also be 100%.
                        But the new Frets are probably not allowed into America, for a simple reason, they have a Russian passport.

                        Lada will not be in demand there, in any case, in its current form. With the Russian "passport" there, not only Lada is not expected, but in general all the cars.

                        Until the age of 55, progress went by leaps and bounds in all sectors, and then only strategic ones remained.
                        And now the situation is not much better, Almaty, Coalition and other "phantoms" are sawing on folk money, but the "loaf" is still the same.

                        Until 1991, the state was responsible for everything, now the situation is different. If released, it means someone is buying. Not satisfied? There is gas, the situation is better there.

                        Then nowhere is it okay if Western manufacturers do not invest in the development of their machines, financial and other "troubles" await them.
                        Believe me, they also have a "plan" and there is a demand for it. Otherwise, for example, all these dances with euros 2, 4, 5, 6 would not be necessary for anyone.

                        This is a slightly different situation, I believe that Frau Merkel doesn’t weigh them in the head.

                        Then excusable.
                        With a rear-wheel drive, all drivers can drive well, and modern machine drivers (not drivers) can only drive with the front, and sometimes it drifts.

                        Yes, there is a difference, but a small one, it goes well along the highway. A lot also depends on rubber. I still "fat" found. laughing We went and nothing.
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                        Bitter (Gleb) 19 March 2020 00: 43
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                        With maybach you are right, cars rivet again, but exclusively for the markets of China, Russia and the USA.

                        ... Frau Merkel doesn’t weigh them in the head.

                        Naturally, but with the submission of certain structures that follow this.

                        With the Russian "passport" there, not only Lada is not expected, but in general all the cars.

                        It was pure irony on my part.

                        Until 1991, the state was responsible for everything, now the situation is different.

                        Now no one is responsible for anything, although Automotive is not a medium or small business.
                        The state is simply obligated to “oblige” someone to work.

                        ... there is a difference, but a small one, it goes well along the highway. A lot also depends on rubber. I still "fat" found. We went and nothing.

                        The difference between rear-wheel drive and front-wheel drive is huge.
                        In winter, the ice is already noticeable, and indeed.
                        If you don’t drive a rally and don’t get into extreme situations, you can never notice it all your life.
                        I have nothing against fatty, if the race is not to drive - it’s quite a rubber.
                        If, of course, put it on Maybach or X6, laughing they don’t understand.
                        Someone buys one set for all occasions, and someone has a set of rubber for every mood and nature (weather).
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                        123 (123) 19 March 2020 08: 33
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                        Now no one is responsible for anything, although Automotive is not a medium or small business.
                        The state is simply obligated to “oblige” someone to work.

                        Typically, no one is responsible for anything, and the situation with cars is better. laughing

                        The difference between rear-wheel drive and front-wheel drive is huge.
                        In winter, the ice is already noticeable, and indeed.

                        I am aware that the German, albeit with the rear road, is holding normally, does not drive when braking, the ABS works perfectly. With the old Lada the situation is different, tried, I know. yes

                        If you don’t drive a rally and don’t get into extreme situations, you can never notice it all your life.
                        I have nothing against fatty, if the race is not to drive, it’s quite a rubber.
                        If it is, of course, put on Maybach or X6, they will not understand.

                        I haven’t seen such rubber for a long time, they put it because there wasn’t another at all, the old Soviet word is deficit.
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                        Bitter (Gleb) 21 March 2020 00: 45
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                        Typically, no one is responsible for anything, and the situation with cars is better.

                        Well no. There is none of his own, all of someone’s “fur coats from his shoulder”, then Romanian dachas, then Japanese or Russified “Americans”.

                        With the old Lada the situation is different, tried, I know.

                        And with an old German, the same age as Lada did not try? The same profile, left view. laughing

                        the old Soviet word is scarcity.

                        Nothing, in Europe, fatty rubber is quite in use today. The quality is acceptable.
                        After all, everyone’s wallets are different, that’s where the people get out. yes
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                        Have you tried with the old German, the same age as Lada? The same profile, left view.

                        I tried it in due time. yes Mercedes 123 body, it feels like, holds the road better. Lada "old" - I mean the old model.
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                        Bitter (Gleb) 21 March 2020 23: 58
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                        123 Mercedes, this is a completely different class of car, so you can not compare. stop
                        Here is the Opel Ascona of the corresponding year, in folk performance, from 60 to 75 hp.
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    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 16 March 2020 15: 52
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    Only after that, where do the Lincoln come from? I'm afraid and Lada, in this case, will disappear.
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      123 (123) 16 March 2020 17: 16
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      Only after that, where do the Lincoln come from? I'm afraid that Lada will disappear in this case.

      Do not be afraid, UAZ works for you personally. winked
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        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 16 March 2020 17: 33
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        I think that in six months, in California there will be hot cakes, like palm oil cheese (after all, there will be import substitution, there are a lot of palm trees), and the shrimp will go from Belarus.
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          123 (123) 16 March 2020 17: 35
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          I think that in six months, California will be snapped up, like palm oil cheese, and shrimp will go from Belarus.

          I do not exclude such an option. yes If the economy begins to crumble, they will be glad of it. laughing Like we used to be "Bush stumps." smile
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    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 15 March 2020 03: 02
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    From Wiki:
    Mises institute

    The Mises Institute exists to promote the teaching and research of the Austrian school of economics, as well as personal freedom, honest history and international peace in the traditions of Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. These great thinkers have developed praxeology, the deductive science of human activity, based on assumptions that are undoubtedly true, and that is what we teach and defend. Our scientific work is based on Misesian praxiology and is consciously opposed to mathematical modeling and hypothesis testing, which created such confusion in neoclassical economics.

    Here's how FactWatchе evaluates articles published by the institute:

    They (articles) can use heavily loaded words (wording that try to influence the audience by appealing to emotions or stereotypes), publish misleading messages and omit messages about information that could harm conservative reasons. Some sources in this category may be unreliable.

    In short - the leftist Trotskyite (private) institute, which has the right to publish its own views on false information, which has nothing to do with modern life in the United States.
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      123 (123) 15 March 2020 03: 43
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      Hi Baltimore. hi
      As I understand it, you do not want to return to your "native harbor"? belay
      But seriously, I doubt that anyone would take the article seriously, but whatever the “Trotsky-deviators” they are, are they not Americans? So formally everything is correct. yes
      Can you tell me by chance how the Mises Institute Radio Liberty is estimated?

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        cmonman (Garik Mokin) 15 March 2020 04: 10
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        ... but whatever the “Trotskyite deviators”, are they not Americans?

        Americans, of course, but in the thousands of info that are published in the United States, there are much more interesting and truthful ...
        In short - you are right, I am not able to change the editorial policy, and is it necessary? We must accept as it is ...

        Do not tell by chance how the Mises Institute Radio Liberty is evaluated?

        Drive on Google Mises Institute and read what they write about it. I think that Radio Liberty has never even heard of such a thing - very small for quoting.
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    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 March 2020 08: 45
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    Again they post all conspiracy theories. What can be expected from the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a liberal and libertarian organization. Libertarians generally have a very bad attitude to the very concept of the state, and any one. In general, such "research" appears regularly since the formation of the United States, and so what? They just have freedom of speech.
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 15 March 2020 09: 25
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    I don’t want any country to collapse. Although in this world that just does not happen. Any decay negatively affects the situation in the world. The consequences of the collapse of the USSR are silent. Although you can’t imagine worse. And for us as well. How much money was spent in the USSR on the fight against terrorism. And how much now. But that’s not even the point. The most important thing has changed - trust between countries.
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    bear040 15 March 2020 09: 28
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    I am pleased to see the collapse of the evil empire - the USA!
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      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 15 March 2020 16: 51
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      I am pleased to see the collapse of the evil empire - the USA!

      Can you share the source of your longevity?
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        123 (123) 22 March 2020 01: 12
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        Can you share the source of your longevity?

        It’s interesting to talk with you. good Judging by the reaction, the place of residence indicated is present. yes And you know, there are enough “native Russians” with a Little Russian accent, and there are suspiciously many inhabitants of Haifa.
        Do not take such statements to heart. Everything is not so serious, and emotions, you know ... They say a lot about the collapse of Russia, why not talk about the collapse of the United States?
        Here, during the discussion, it suddenly became clear that the income level was seen as an obstacle, and there were no other clear objections. As for longevity, of course, patriotic, but life sometimes presents such surprises. In 1989, you know, everything seemed relatively safe too.
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          cmonman (Garik Mokin) 22 March 2020 02: 58
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          And then, you know, there are enough “native Russians” with a Little Russian accent, and there are suspiciously many inhabitants of Haifa.

          All of the above is me!
          Life Story - We went from the USA with a “Russian” group on a Greece-Turkey tour. In Istanbul in the evening visited a popul. restaurant with the program “belly dance”. All long tables (for 20-25 people) end to the stage, and at the end of the table, which is to the stage, are the flags of the countries of the group. Swedes, French, Germans, etc. - one flag each. On our table is 3. Amer flag (we are from America), Russian (everyone speaks Russian), Israeli (all are Jews).

          They say a lot about the collapse of Russia, why not talk about the collapse of the United States?

          I honestly don’t know how to get out of the “union” under US and state law. The question, of course, is interesting, but a bit artificial.
          After all, Washington does not press states politically or economically - each state is economically independent, each state with its own constitution / court / police / elections and the national guard. And taxes / prices, etc., etc. So, if the state is poor, it will not blame the capital Washington. People will blame their own senators and the governor and they will be given a second ride.

          In 1989, you know, too, everything seemed relatively safe.

          And what happened in 1989?
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            123 (123) 22 March 2020 03: 24
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            All of the above is me!

            I meant that often the place of residence is indicated not real, and then they begin to broadcast on behalf of the people.

            I honestly don’t know how to get out of the “union” under US and state law. The question, of course, is interesting, but a bit artificial.

            Without heating the process from the outside, such processes are difficult to implement. In difficult historical periods, far from everything is done according to the law.

            After all, Washington does not press states politically or economically

            I also can’t say that Moscow was tearing someone off a thread or didn’t let him live, but many people worry, often from abroad.

            each state is economically independent, each state with its own constitution / court / police / elections and the national guard. And taxes / prices, etc., etc.

            This is a mine under the foundation, about the same as the right of nations to self-determination introduced by the Bolsheviks, so far so good, life flows along the track, if problems start, they will scatter like cockroaches, because these are practically ready-made separate states. This has nothing to do with the interests of the people, but the local elites ... just give them a taste of independence to try, it is difficult to reassemble the country.

            So, if the state is poor, it will not blame the capital Washington. People will blame their own senators and the governor and they will be given a second ride.

            It's different with us yes many believe that Moscow is robbing them. winked Probably easier. And traditionally it happened, the state is more centralized.

            And what happened in 1989?

            It happened later, in the 1991th.
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              cmonman (Garik Mokin) 22 March 2020 20: 21
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              ... but local elites ... just give them a taste of independence to try, it’s difficult to reassemble the country.

              Yeah, and now the main thing - so that the local elites do not gird up, then we must "release the leash" the press and justice! I read a lot of info from Russia and see that the press and the courts are “fed up”.
              An example of “us” - they chose the mayor of Baltimore (I do not participate - I live outside the city). A year later, the press found that he had given the contract for the repair of roads in the city ($$$ work!) To his relative. And there was no bid for the contract (must be). The press wrote, they opened a case, they gave the dude 1,5 years. Aunt was chosen in his place. After 2 years, the press found that she had written a children's book for preschool children, and preschool institutions were required to buy books. Everything would be fine if she herself paid for the print, bought up the print run and distributed it for free. But no - she printed for the money of the city, and for the money of the city she was children. Uchr bought a book. The press printed, opened a case, aunt got 5 years. Not everything is good in America, there are a lot of crooks, but there is a great chance of being caught and punished.
              And yet, how poor states survive. Below me is the state of Virginia.
              There are very beautiful mountains resembling the Carpathian mountains. And developed agricultural. From industry - coal mines. But coal almost ceased to be mined, the forest was banned to cut down many decades ago. How to survive the state? And the staff invested in education and Hi-Tech. In a small state with 8,5 million people, there are 86 universities and colleges with 4 years of education. Around the university there are many companies tied to bio / devices / computers, etc. In 2016, the state earned $ 36 billion, not bad for such a population.
              What do I want to say with this example? People are not stupid or suicidal - they can find and choose among themselves worthy and entrust them with management. And will control control. Everything is very simple... smile

              “Happened in 1991”
              The USSR collapsed, well, thank God - how much can you live in a communal apartment!
              Artificial construction - a pile of peoples / cultures / customs. Sooner or later, this boiler would explode. Or, to preserve, they would introduce a military dictatorship.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 16 March 2020 15: 54
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      And how many years are you going to live at all?
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    Panting (Vyacheslav) 15 March 2020 10: 48
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    Give each American state the Kiev Democratic Maidan!
  • Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 March 2020 13: 33
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    Yeah. 30 years, everyone can and can, all the dollar will fall and fall ...
    And she’s not bored ...

    A course today watched ??
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    Bitter (Gleb) 15 March 2020 16: 01
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    Americans believe that the United States may break up into separate states

    How long do they take? How much more is left to calculate? lol They can, of course, but who will give them.

    Some states have also swung at foreign or monetary policy ...

    Nobody will allow such an American “Yeltsin”, not only to wave a saber of power, but even to approach this saber.
    At least he will sit down if he doesn’t get off the stage in time. For embezzlement or in a corruption case, or for sexually molesting boys.

    or the islands of Palau

    And who compensates for the budget deficit in this independent state? bully
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 March 2020 16: 46
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      At least he will sit down if he doesn’t get off the stage in time.

      - this is what speaks of the huge reserve of stability of the system due to the regular change of power and working democratic institutions.
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        Bitter (Gleb) 15 March 2020 17: 01
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        This indicates the continuity and consistency of the political system, as well as the good work of state security institutions in government.
        Better to overtake than not to overtake.
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    Tolik_74 (Anatoly) 18 March 2020 12: 40
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    90% of countries will take a sigh of getting rid of their dependence on green, unsecured cut paper.