The difficult fate of "Almaty": why the T-14 is still not in the army

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The domestic T-14 Armata tank, which combines the best practices of not only Russian but also world tank construction, is the only fighting vehicle of the third post-war generation in its class. Its 125-mm smoothbore gun allows you to shoot with all the existing shells today, including the BPS “Vacuum 1”, and its muzzle energy is greater than that of the American “Abrams” and the German “Leopard-2”.


In addition, Armata is the only tank in the world whose crew is located in the vehicle’s body (in an additionally protected capsule), and not in the turret. Based on the foregoing, only one question arises: why did the T-14, unique in all senses, face a difficult fate and did not go into production in 2016, as promised earlier? There are reasons for that.

Firstly, during the tests of the first 14 machines, opportunities were identified for their rapid improvement. In particular, it was possible to increase the accuracy of shooting by 11%, which actually led to the emergence of a new, even more advanced version of the tank, the additional state tests of which will be completed this year.

Secondly, “Armata” is not just a project of a separate combat vehicle, but a platform for working out of technologies to modernize the entire existing park. For example, a variant of a universal turret is being tested, and a unique T-14 cannon will be installed on other Russian tanks in the future.

And, finally, thirdly, now there is no urgent need for mass implementation of “Almaty”. Domestic tanks in service are still worthy of competing with foreign combat vehicles. For example, the mass modification of the American Abrams M1A2 is inferior to our T-72BMs, and its "maximum" version with active armor will not be able to "compete" with the Russian T-90M.

However, despite the "lack of rush", by 2027 it is planned to put into operation 500 units of T-14. And thanks to the engineering developments obtained during the development of the project, already this year, at the Victory Parade, we will see the heavy T-15 infantry fighting vehicle created on the Armata platform.

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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 9 March 2020 16: 49
    +1
    At the T-14 range, they fired at all types of shells and could not knock out, according to the experts. Therefore, if this is so, then even units of T-14 can change "everything" in battle. The main thing is that these tanks go to the troops!
    1. monman Offline monman
      monman (Garik Mokin) 9 March 2020 18: 47
      -4
      The main thing is that these tanks enter the troops!

      Otherwise, there is no sleep!
    2. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
      Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 10 March 2020 22: 26
      -3
      What shells? Soviet and Russian? The T-14's main problem is the huge jambs of control systems and sensors. One small feed even without breaking through - and the tank is blind and deaf. All. Arrived. The next problem is that they are unlikely to reach the forefront. They will be stupidly destroyed on the march by the Apaches, etc. What difference then that will burn? But for barmaley and backward Papuans, his power is excessive and useless. Well and so on on the list. T-14 - a raw and meaningless tank. This is something like the first series of the T-34. Super-duper, as propaganda tried to argue, but brought to mind already in the T-34-85 version.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 10 March 2020 23: 25
        +3
        This is something like the first T34 series. Super-duper, as propaganda tried to argue, but brought to mind already in the T34-85 version

        Want to read more propaganda?

        Hitler's appeal “To all tank building workers” dated January 22, 1943, as well as new powers to expand the tank production program given to Minister Speer, testified to the growing concern about the decreasing combat power of the German armored forces in the face of the ever-increasing serial production of the old , but the beautiful Russian tank T-34.

        http://militera.lib.ru/memo/german/guderian/index.html

        Memoirs of Guderian "Memories of a Soldier"

        I suppose he understood in tanks no worse than you. hi Your inventions about Apaches destroying Almaty on the march are about the same nonsense. yes
    3. master3 Offline master3
      master3 (Vitali) 12 March 2020 10: 22
      -2
      ... according to experts ...

      - and still need to listen to Soloviev and Skabeev.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 March 2020 20: 17
    -2
    What, recently wrote about the supply, and again not ???
    I only met it 4 times ...
    And how many of them are / are not real ... After all, the 3rd generation Armat has gone ...

    It can be seen that something is wrong with her .... Similar supply problems for many ...
  3. bobba94 Offline bobba94
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 10 March 2020 11: 38
    -1
    T-14 is the best tank in the world, no one denies this fact. The problem is that currently in Russia is stored (in reserve) ........ some experts talk about 4 thousand tanks, others call 7 thousand (information on tanks in reserve is very vague and confused). I mean, to add thousands more of the latest Armats to thousands of good and modern tanks - this will be too much.
    1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
      Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 10 March 2020 22: 30
      -4
      When the T-14 passes a real break-in battle, then it will be possible to say so. The T-34 also shouted like a super-duper tank, but in reality all its advantages were only on paper. Before the appearance of the T-34-85 and the correction of the stocks, it had scanty motor resources and so on. critical flaws.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 10 March 2020 23: 36
        +2
        ... when the T-14 goes through a real run-in in battle, rather than propaganda, then it will be possible to say so. The T-34 also shouted like a super-duper tank, but in reality all its advantages were only on paper. Before the appearance of the T-34-85 and the correction of the stocks, it had scanty motor resources and so on. critical flaws.

        The Korean K2 Black Panther is considered one of the best in the world, can you tell me where it took place in "real break-in"? Or are such requirements only applicable to Russian tanks?
        Based on the results of military tests, a number of changes were made in T-14, a new batch (improved version) is also undergoing military tests, completion is planned for 2020.
        1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
          Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2020 23: 12
          0
          The Korean K2 Black Panther is considered one of the best in the world.

          - who is considered? Sponsored by the authors of articles about tanks, etc ..? Don't tell my slippers! Theoretical comparisons of something with something, in practice, show different results. If the experience of hostilities with the same M1a2 or Challenger 2 showed high results in armor durability, and Leopard 2a4 did not justify someone's "opinion as the best tank", which happened to the Turkish ones, then this is already a fact, and not just someone. " is considered ".
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 13 March 2020 00: 29
            +2
            - who is considered? Paid by authors of articles about tanks, etc.? Do not tell my slippers!

            I can offer to the rating, in addition to Armata, and T-90, Abrams, Leopard, Leclerc, Merkava, well, and the same Korean .... You have a chance to prove to everyone that you are not a "paid author of articles" and make your own alternative rating , the best of the best, good battle-hardened death machines. Interesting to listen. smile Before you write your rating, read it first to your slippers, if they don’t laugh, then it turned out.
            1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
              Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 13 March 2020 02: 02
              0
              In turn, then I can offer, when you throw money on my card for a new article with a rating from me, satisfy my curiosity. I'm not so much a fan of the Armata or T-90 and an altruist to advertise them for free or something else. And where did I write that a paid article is bad, and you need to prove something? I wrote that everyone can have "their own opinion", according to the established tariff. Give card details for advance payment?
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 13 March 2020 14: 24
                +3
                In turn, then I can offer, when you put money on my card for a new article with a rating from me, you will satisfy my curiosity.

                I'm not so curious to pay for stupid things. laughing

                I'm not so much a fan of Armata or T-90 and an altruist to advertise them for free or something else.

                Is this article from Barmaley an advertisement? I doubt very much that the T-90 needs this. No. I have listed the top five best-selling tanks for you (exception Armat and Merkava). What can you list more? Indian Arjdun? Who else produces tanks here? Turkey, Ukraine, England, North Korea, and Italy with its chariots. What are you capable of reporting new on this topic?

                And where did I write that the paid article is bad, and I need to prove something?

                To begin, let me quote you:

                The Korean K2 Black Panther is considered one of the best in the world.

                - who is considered? Paid by the authors of articles about tanks, etc ..?

                What I suggested to you:

                prove to everyone that you are not a "paid article author" and make your own alternative rating, the best of the best, good battle-hardened death machines.

                If you think that the authors are paid and the ratings are not objective, there is nothing easier, suggest yours.

                Giving card details for advance payment?

                You can print the details on the hat and put it in the transition, maybe there you collect it on the Aperitif. hi
                1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                  Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 13 March 2020 22: 41
                  -1
                  I repeat for those who are in an armored train, but consider themselves to be the pinnacle of evolution and a cool comedian, like Petrosyan: ONLY the REALITY of operation in combat conditions can refute or confirm the ratings and "readings". Everything else can be very different from reality. And besides, very often the sale of one or another type of weapon occurs not because of what is considered better by someone, but for completely different reasons. To the extent that there is pressure, such as the recently canceled deal for the supply of 11 dryers. Along the way, I still opened America to someone. Repeat again or can you reread it yourself?
                  And yet yes! An article from Barmaley or some Vasya Pupkin may well be a hidden or not hidden advertisement. Think it over, huh? And even more so in fact it will be an advertisement if they pay me enough for the obvious "necessary objectivity and correct reading" from 90 or T-14. We are not a question of how famous I am or not, we are considering, or how much t14 / t90 need my advertising, (and you pushed the topic towards "ABOUT ADVERTISING"), but I mean "the correctness of the reading" (so no shadow is needed on the fence!), which from me, too, would not be for free, subject to the paid satisfaction of your curiosity. In such a super accessible form, as I wrote again, I think it should be, finally, understandable even for a primary school student.
                  And your confidence that you have not read from me, but are already sure that this is nonsense, from the mythology "I have not read, but I condemn."
                  Once again: what can I offer and tell, you will find out after I receive a denyushka to my account or to the account of a charity fund. You satisfy your curiosity, and at the same time help someone. Or weak, Mr. Comedian?
                  And you don't have to try to do fortune-telling and try to squeeze some information out of me onto the ball. It will not work for you. All your throwing about "top five best selling and who else produces what?" not at all from the realm of real combat effectiveness and so on. technology. The most sold Toyota cars in the world are somehow worse in reliability than the little-sold Porsche. Evo as it happens!
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 14 March 2020 01: 01
                    +2
                    If you do not mind, let me remind you, so to speak, of the origins of the discussion:

                    When the T-14 passes a real break-in battle, then it will be possible to say so. The T-34 also shouted like a super-duper tank, but in reality all its advantages were only on paper.

                    Roughly speaking, there are about a dozen tank manufacturers in the world, they can be roughly divided into two groups, about half of them have a long tradition of production, a good design school, the rest, so to speak, are trying to catch up with the group of leaders. As a rule, tanks of the first group are sold better, and not always because of political pressure. If you noticed, I did not mention Chinese tanks among the best, and they are sold well.

                    I repeat for those who are in an armored train, but consider themselves to be the pinnacle of evolution and a cool comedian, like Petrosyan: ONLY the REALITY of operation in combat conditions can refute or confirm the ratings and "readings".

                    Do you think it makes no sense at all to compare tanks of different manufacturers? Not all of them participate in battles, and if they are used, then in specific conditions. Maybe to satisfy your curiosity arrange a tank battle? In general, do not pull on Columbus. No.

                    And yet yes! An article from Barmaley or some Vasya Pupkin may well be a hidden or non-hidden advertisement. Think about it, huh? And even more so in fact it will be an advertisement if I am paid enough for the obvious "necessary objectivity and correct reading" from 90 or T-14.

                    I'm afraid you are mistaken, potential buyers choose equipment not based on the content of Vasya Pupkin's articles. By the way, the term "correctness of the reading" evokes mistrust. What you count there is a question, besides, it is not interesting to anyone.
                    As for the offer to pay you, I repeat, judging by what they have already written, even the option with a hat will not help in your case. Try to set out your "tank encyclopedia" on the nearest fence. smile

                    You satisfy your curiosity, and at the same time help someone. Or weak, Mr. Comedian?

                    How about your curiosity? Aren't you curious what questions I can ask? I can reveal this secret, I'm waiting for payment. laughing

                    And you don't have to try to do fortune-telling and try to squeeze some information out of me onto the ball. It will not work for you. All your throwing about "top five best selling and who else produces what?" not at all from the realm of real combat effectiveness and so on. technology.

                    Keep your secret holy, do not make people laugh.

                    The best-selling Toyota cars in the world, for some reason, are worse in reliability than a little-sold Porsche. Evo as it happens!

                    Firstly, I’m afraid that not all Porsche Cayenne owners will agree with you, and not only them.
                    Secondly, Toyota is the leader in sales precisely because for many it is the best choice in terms of price-quality ratio. It also happens. hi
                    Or here, do you think politics is involved and NATO forces all Japanese cars to buy?
                    1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                      Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 14 March 2020 01: 50
                      0
                      All your baby talk and twists and turns about "keep your secret" (I did not write about any secrets at all and did not even promise to reveal them) comes down to one banal thing: I am a coward and a miser, so I will not pay anyone any money, so that and how would someone write something. I will carry anything, but I will not pay. Everything. Dot. And I wrote ABOUT Toyota's RELIABILITY in comparison with Porsche, and not about some kind of price / quality ratio. This is generally all from another opera. And this is how you have EVERYTHING built.
                      And the Chinese, in general, in their ratings already consider their tanks to be the best in the world. And that's why I wrote all this. That all your "opinions" are something better or worse, relying on some one theory, moreover, laid out by someone and even from the outside, there is de ... mo on a stick, but, for example, in real recommendations and instructions for firing PTAs from the same rapiers or Octopus at MBT of type M1, Leopard 2, etc., practical advice is written in black and white, based on the REAL use of these combat vehicles in different conditions, and how they behave, and what for what. And it’s funny for me to read all the vaunted, especially the order, about anything, if I know for sure that this super-vaunted and considered by someone to be the best, breaks down even without the slightest hint of penetration, with banal shelling of small-caliber art. Electronics flies stupidly and this is where it all ends. In the best case, simply by not fulfilling bz. And I will keep silent and will not voice the opinion of familiar tankers about different things. Continue to amuse and soothe yourself with all sorts of myths and so on. peeling.
                      But I suppose, as before, the same banal thing: all these comparisons are very arbitrary and, by and large, no more than some theoretical desolation. And only the real everyday use of the tech or in combat determines its true value on the battlefield and the ability to compare it in comparison with other machines.
                      So there is no money - there is no market. Dosvidos, Monsieur ala-Petrosyan.
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 14 March 2020 02: 50
                        +1
                        ..all your baby talk and twists and turns about "keep your secret" (I didn’t write about any secrets at all and didn’t even promise to reveal them) comes down to one banal thing: I’m a coward and a miser, so I won’t pay anybody any money to and as if someone did not write something. I will carry anything, but I will not pay. Everything. Dot.

                        Try to unleash the "tankers" of your acquaintances on babosiks. winked
                        Throw your habits of a zarobitchanin, feel like a real man at least once in your life, it’s easy, pay for questions and live in peace. laughing
                        Try to publish your memoirs in Murzilka, maybe "cut down" the fee there.
                        Be a mysterious commander. hi
                      2. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 14 March 2020 11: 26
                        +1
                        Where is the money?
                      3. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 14 March 2020 11: 46
                        0
                        What kind of "tankmen of your friends", what habits of a worker, what kind of "feel like a man"? What kind of verbal disagreement did Mr. ala-Petrosyan begin? Some body throws up an offer to write something to satisfy his interest, and for some reason this body, which nobody and nothing to me, decided that I should do it for free. And I would have quite written, maybe something for free, but if it were a request in a different form, and not in the form of a banter from some heap of fables and other nonsense that has been read, but considers himself a duper expert in the tank industry, etc., but simply does not understand elementary, basic things.
                      4. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 14 March 2020 14: 50
                        +1
                        Why can’t you calm down in any way? request Go already write your dissertation, do not waste time in vain. hi
  • Regis Offline Regis
    Regis (Sergey Kopan) 15 March 2020 15: 52
    +1
    Any new tank is a lot of "fleas" that must be caught and eliminated. And such a tank as the T-14, the number of modifications should be prohibitive, and this is being tested. And military exploitation will reveal even more. Yes, and for such a machine it is necessary to "break" the psychology of the tankers, I think, without this in any way. It is irrational to rush such a "raw" car into the army.