What was real Stalin and what good did he do for Russia?




Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin is one of the most striking and, at the same time, conflicting figures in the history of Russia. Someone calls him a bloody tyrant, murderer, or even a "ghoul monster." Others, on the contrary, consider him the savior of the nation, a great leader, a brilliant commander and a competent business executive.

On numerous television shows, like on a battlefield, opponents and adherents of Joseph Dzhugashvili clash, thereby creating even more controversy around his personality. However, to understand what Stalin did for our Fatherland, one does not need to rummage through a heap of gossip and speculation, but rather turn to historical facts.

The fate of the revolutionary is predetermined


The future leader was born in the small town of Gori, Tiflis Province, on December 21, 1879. At that time, the Russian Empire was going through a difficult period. Despite the fact that serfdom was abolished, in its place came capitalism with its lack of rights, predatory taxes and excessive exploitation of the working class.

The impoverishment of a simple worker and class discord every year only increased tension in society, which contributed to the emergence of underground revolutionary organizations. Therefore, it is not surprising that young Joseph, the son of a shoemaker, inspired by the works of K. Marx, already at the age of 15 became a member of one of such cells.

In 1898, Dzhugashvili joined the Tiflis branch of the RSDLP. From that moment he was actively involved in revolutionary activities: engaged in propaganda, staged strikes, strikes and demonstrations, created printing houses, raised money for the party, formed fighting squads, obtained weapons, etc.

By 1905, when the young man first met personally with V. Lenin, he was already an experienced and seasoned revolutionary. In one of his works of that time, Stalin wrote:

The wealthy bourgeoisie is our implacable enemy, its wealth is based on our poverty, its joy is on our grief.

Way from a member of the Central Committee of the RSDLP to the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU


After the failure of the First Russian Revolution, Stalin and Lenin concentrated on the struggle against the Mensheviks, who were destroying the party from the inside. In 1912, Dzhugashvili was included in the Central Committee of the RSDLP. Then, the son of a shoe-maker from Gori finally takes the pseudonym Stalin.

Until 1917, the future leader was arrested 8 times and sent into exile 7 times. At the same time, 6 times he managed to escape from there. In April 1917, Lenin returned from exile. Stalin supports the idea of ​​armed insurrection and proceeds with its preparation.

In October 1917, the power of the bourgeoisie fell, and Dzhugashvili became part of the first Soviet government. During the Civil War, he leads the Red Army on the most difficult lines. In 1922, at the suggestion of Lenin, Stalin was elected General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.).

From poverty and devastation to a world power


After the death of Lenin in 1924, Stalin continued his work. A course was taken on collectivization and industrialization. At the same time, science, culture and education became fully available to the Soviet people.

The Bolsheviks were well aware that the world after the First World War was only a respite. The start of a new “slaughter” was only a matter of time.

We lagged behind advanced countries by 50-100 years. We have to run this distance in 10 years. Either we do it, or they crush us.

These words were spoken by Stalin in 1931.

Hydroelectric power stations, thousands of factories and tens of thousands of collective farms and state farms. All this appeared in the USSR in two “five-year plans”. The poorest country in Europe has become the second largest industrialization. And the first Soviet Constitution, adopted in 1936, finally legitimized the foundations of socialism and guaranteed the rights of the working class.

As a result, the "fascist beast," pushed by the capitalists, "broke its teeth" about the stamina, dedication and heroism of the Soviet people. At the same time, those who wanted to destroy the USSR with the hands of the Nazis had to sit down at the negotiating table with him and even enter into allied relations.

After winning the worst war, the Soviet Union, under the leadership of Stalin, is committing yet another “economic miracle". Literally for the "five-year period" the national economy destroyed by the Nazis was restored. And all this without the Marshall Plan and external loans.

The Cold War began in 1946. In 1949, the Soviet Union conducted the first successful nuclear tests and started increasing the number of atomic warheads, after which the USSR became a superpower and one of two poles of power.

Is Stalin's merit in all this? Of course! Are the achievements of the Soviet Union the result of its sole decisions? Of course not!

Among the 70 members of the CPSU Central Committee were the best specialists in their field. And the leader himself said:

Everyone has the opportunity to correct someone's sole opinion, proposal. Everyone has the opportunity to contribute their experience.

All modern anti-Soviet propaganda, denigrating the name of Joseph Stalin, is aimed at underestimating the achievements of the Soviet people of that era. However, seeing what is happening in modern Russia, which has long become a place of profit for the imperialists, people are increasingly looking back, realizing that the new "owners" do not care about their rights, freedoms, and even more so - well-being.

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  1. Alf Offline Alf
    Alf (Vasiliy) 7 March 2020 08: 51
    +8
    In vain the current government is trying, people began to remember Stalin more and more as the greatest ruler. The animal fear of the current powerful bandits and their "sixes" is immediately visible.
    1. Shelest2000 Offline Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 7 March 2020 10: 36
      +6

      There is simply nothing to add
      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 March 2020 15: 36
        -4
        There were no such memories of Kollontai. All this has long been proven fake. Neither Stalin's PSS nor Kollontai's memoirs have this quote. The first mention of her is found only in the article by R. Kosolapov "What is she, the truth about Stalin?" in the newspaper Pravda, June 2-4, 1998. At the same time, Kosolapov refers to the research of Professor M.I. Trush. Trush himself does not have any publications on this topic in scientific publications either. The archive number of the document is not given.
        Total - Kosolapov refers to Trush, Trush refers to Kollontai, Kollontai refers to Stalin. Grandma for grandfather, grandfather for turnip ...
    2. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) 7 March 2020 17: 28
      +4
      In vain the current government is trying, people began to remember Stalin more and more as the greatest ruler. The animal fear of the current powerful bandits and their "sixes" is immediately visible.

      And how do the "current" ones differ from, say, Khrushchev and his "associates"? what And with his departure, little has changed. No. I do not see any fundamental differences on this issue. request
      1. Rusa Offline Rusa
        Rusa 7 March 2020 22: 14
        +3
        I think that under Stalin, for the last 20 years, officials with their promises would not have brained us, and Russia would have become a long-developed country, not a developing one. Without the oligarchs, liberals and the fifth column. Ordinary people would live better without glaring social injustice.
        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) 7 March 2020 22: 52
          +2
          I think that under Stalin, for the last 20 years, officials with their promises would not have brained us, and Russia would have become a long-developed country, not a developing one.

          Under Stalin it may very well be, but I asked about times from Khrushchev and later. How are they better than our current ones?
          The idea is interesting, but it seems to me that you are a little simplistic about the question. Let me ask you what do you mean by "developed country" and "developing"?

          Without the oligarchs, liberals and the fifth column. Ordinary people would live better without glaring social injustice.

          Do you mean better materially?
          1. Rusa Offline Rusa
            Rusa 7 March 2020 23: 58
            +4
            1. For example, the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Germany and others.
            2. Yes, and in material terms. For example, the average pension under Brezhnev was 2 times greater than now. With him there was no drug addiction, AIDS, unemployment, people received free comfortable apartments, permits for rest houses and sanatoriums, studied at universities and technical schools for free, children attended various circles free of charge, including technical creativity, and the country was the most reading in the world. Food products were cheap and of high quality, and not counterfeit, as in our time. A small payment for utilities, etc. You can’t list everything.
            But - the main thing - this is the high moral education of young people and younger generations.
            And the beginning of all this was laid by I. Stalin.
        2. Nick Offline Nick
          Nick (Nikolai) 8 March 2020 20: 11
          +3
          Quote: Rusa
          I think that under Stalin, for the last 20 years, officials with their promises would not have brained us, and Russia would have become a long-developed country, not a developing one.

          Officials thirty and forty, and fifty years ago, our brains hit us. Khrushchev promised communism by 1980. Brezhnev developed socialism, Gorbachev for 15 years promised everyone a free apartment. Where is all this? Only, only the Gaidar government fulfilled its promise. It was promised in 1991 that the transition from a socialist to a social state would be accompanied by a temporary deterioration of life for the bulk of the population, and it happened.
  2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 March 2020 08: 52
    +1
    Wasn't it real yet? Like "History of the CPSU (b). Short Course ", read in 1938. Special:

    Stalin supports the idea of ​​armed insurrection and proceeds with its preparation.

    - who is there, in this disgrace, did he even notice him against the background of Trotsky?
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 7 March 2020 13: 45
      -1


      Where did the real thing go?
  3. xilia72 Offline xilia72
    xilia72 (xantos) 7 March 2020 11: 36
    -2
    Under Stalin, it was necessary to hand over taxes from the cow to the state with milk, meat and leather, work on the collective farm for free for workdays and gruel, etc. All who defend Stalin should be sent to the collective farm with a ration of 700 grams of bread for half a year by a time machine in a day. But most likely, of those who defend him, the Stalinist norm will not be fulfilled and they will be entitled to 350 grams. of bread. I think 1 month would be enough for sobering up, although there are those who will say that "this is some kind of mistake."
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 7 March 2020 13: 32
      -1
      Better at 32, in the midst of collectivization, to taste the quinoa.
      1. 123 Online 123
        123 (123) 7 March 2020 17: 41
        +1
        Better at 32, in the midst of collectivization, to taste the quinoa.

        I hope they will create a time machine, and you will be able to participate in the experiment, fly, so to speak, to your beloved 32nd. Have a nice trip. hi
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 March 2020 00: 50
          -1
          Who told you this is my favorite year? You are Joseph’s lover, and this is the year of his accomplishments, industrialization, collectivization. In some village near Kharkov, huh? To experience the whole historicism of the moment. I would prefer to the future.
          1. 123 Online 123
            123 (123) 8 March 2020 01: 16
            +2
            Who told you this is my favorite year? I would prefer to the future.

            Like who? belay You said so. It is clearly written - you want in the 32nd and love the quinoa. yes

            Better at 32, in the midst of collectivization, to taste the quinoa.

            You are Joseph’s lover, and this is the year of his accomplishments, industrialization, collectivization. In some village near Kharkov, huh? To feel the weight of historicism of the moment.

            As for the amateur - you have already invented it yourself. And one could feel the "historicism of the moment" in other years as well, and there were enough funny times for Stalin's bases. By the way, why near Kharkov? Does the Volga region do not suit you?

            I would prefer to the future.

            It can, I promise, yes surely you will fall, however, in the near. Go to bed, the future will come in the morning. hi
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 9 March 2020 10: 20
              -2
              Quote: 123
              Like who? You said so. It is clearly written - you want in the 32nd and love the quinoa.

              And, you’re joking, you would have warned though.

              Quote: 123
              By the way, why near Kharkov? Volga region does not suit you?

              Recently I saw photographs of the dying and dead victims of hunger on the streets of Kharkov, and the Volga region is associated with another famine.
              1. 123 Online 123
                123 (123) 9 March 2020 15: 59
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                Recently I saw photographs of the dying and dead victims of hunger on the streets of Kharkov ...

                Are you sure that they are from Kharkov?

                and the Volga region is associated with another famine.

                At the same time, in two regions of the country, people die of hunger, but this is another hunger. Is everything all right with your head? fool
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 10 March 2020 00: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: 123
                  Are you sure that they are from Kharkov?

                  Yes, yes, yes, all around the enemies are only dreaming of denigrating the glorious Stalinist USSR. They all consist in a world-wide secret conspiracy and cannot sleep until they come up with some nasty thing about the nice guy Joseph.

                  Quote: 123
                  At the same time, in two regions of the country people are dying of hunger, But this is another hunger. Is everything all right with your head?

                  You again, uh .. too lazy to think. "The starving of the Volga region" has long been a phraseological unit and refers to the famine for 22 years. My head is all right, but you are not so confident. As I understand it, you were trying to find some hidden meaning in what I proposed to Kharkov? The choice was random. Looks like F22.01 ICD, I'm worried about you.
                  1. 123 Online 123
                    123 (123) 10 March 2020 00: 23
                    +2
                    Yes, yes, yes, all around are enemies who only dream of denigrating the glorious Stalinist USSR. They all consist in a world-wide secret conspiracy and cannot sleep until they come up with some nasty thing about the nice guy Joseph.

                    Your logic is very strange, if the photographs show not Kharkov, but another Soviet city, is this an argument in favor of the "nice guy"?

                    You again, uh .. too lazy to think. "The starving of the Volga region" has long become a phraseological unit and refer to hunger for 22 years. My head is all right, but you are not so confident. As I understand it, you were trying to find some hidden meaning in what I proposed to Kharkov? The choice was random.

                    I suppose, on your photos the dead were held with the date of death? Or are you able to determine this by the appearance of a corpse? You misunderstand, I was trying to understand from what rubbish heap "sacred knowledge" you draw. winked

                    It looks like F22.01 ICD, I'm worried about you.

                    You would write a diagnosis in Latin, lol but apparently you don’t have a medical education. Then why so specific knowledge? what Only if from the "other side of the barricade" they participated in the treatment process. smile It’s time to start worrying about you. yes
      2. xilia72 Offline xilia72
        xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 20: 04
        0
        Quinoa in the summer, and in the winter?
      3. savage1976 Offline savage1976
        savage1976 9 March 2020 06: 27
        0
        And to hard labor, or to the wall.
    2. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) 7 March 2020 17: 38
      +3
      Under Stalin, it was necessary to hand over taxes from the cow to the state with milk, meat and leather, work on the collective farm for free for workdays and gruel, etc. All who defend Stalin should be sent to the collective farm with a ration of 700 grams of bread for half a year by a time machine in a day. But most likely, of those who defend him, the Stalinist norm will not be fulfilled and they will be entitled to 350 grams. of bread. I think 1 month would be enough for sobering up, although there are those who will say that "this is some kind of mistake."

      It’s not that I defended him, I take these issues calmly, for me it’s a story, it’s pointless to change it and imagine any politician as an angel or the devil.
      Let me ask, why not send it 50 years ago a little earlier? Is Barshchina something better than collective farms for the better?
      1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
        xilia72 (xantos) 7 March 2020 19: 02
        -2
        Barshchina - this is instead of tax, probably the rest of the time the peasant worked for himself. Yes, there was little land, since 30-50 hectares per family needed to have a prosperous life.
        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) 7 March 2020 19: 17
          +4
          Barshchina - this is instead of tax, probably the rest of the time the peasant worked for himself. Yes, there was little land, since 30-50 hectares per family needed to have a prosperous life.

          And so it turns out, 3-4 days on the corvee, the rest is on oneself so as not to stretch the legs from hunger. Is it a paradise compared to a collective farm?
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 March 2020 01: 04
            -3
            Quote: 123
            Let me ask, why not send it 50 years ago a little earlier? Is Barshchina something better than collective farms for the better?

            Probably because it is difficult to find here serfdom fans who dream of reviving corvee, but Stalin's lovers who dream of reviving collective farms are full.
            And yes, you are right, corvée is a relic of the Middle Ages, that until 1861, that its red variation was on Stalin's collective farms.
            1. 123 Online 123
              123 (123) 8 March 2020 01: 42
              +4
              Probably because it is difficult to find here serfdom fans who dream of reviving corvee, but Stalin's lovers who dream of reviving collective farms.

              Those who dream of reviving the Sakhalin era, if I may say so, idealize it, speaking of revival, believe that it is order, justice, economic growth, and so on. But at any time, except good, there is always bad, nothing is perfect, everything has a flip side.

              And yes, you are right, corvée is a relic of the Middle Ages, that until 1861, that its red variation was on Stalin's collective farms.

              Both that, and another are caused by the level of development of social and economic relations in a society. For its time, they were considered quite normal.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 9 March 2020 10: 28
                -3
                Quote: 123
                But at any time, except good, there is always bad, nothing is perfect, everything has a flip side.

                When millions die of hunger, it’s hard to find something good that could balance that.

                Quote: 123
                For its time, they were considered quite normal.

                For its time (the Middle Ages), the phenomenon is quite normal, but for the mid-19th century this is no longer normal. Moreover, for the middle of the 20th century this is not normal.
                1. Johnny moss Offline Johnny moss
                  Johnny moss (Johnny Moss) 11 March 2020 08: 57
                  +2
                  One of the most terrible and large-scale hunger periods were 1891-1892. Then, 16 provinces of European Russia (and the province of Tobolskaya in Siberia) with a population of 35 million people were apprehended by famine.
                  In the XX century. the famine of 1901 struck 17 provinces of the center; according to the report for 1901: “In the winter of 1900/01, 42 million people went hungry, but they died 2 million 813 thousand Orthodox souls. "
                  The famine of 1905 hit 22 provinces, including four non-chernozem provinces - Pskov, Novgorod, Vitebsk, Kostroma. Famine was observed in a number of places in 1906, 1907 and in 1908.
                  And in 1911 (already after the so boasted Stolypin reforms): "32 million were starving, 1 million 613 thousand people were lost." Moreover, in each report it was emphasized that the information was compiled on the basis of data supplied by churches, as well as rural elders and managers of landowner estates. And how many deaf villages were there?
                  The conclusions from the above are as follows. Only in Soviet times, under Stalin, did a decisive revolution take place in agriculture, which finally made it possible to solve the problem of hunger in Russia. But to do this right away was, of course, impossible - thus, the famine of 1932–1933. in historical terms, it was to some extent a retribution for the state of affairs that prevailed in Russian agriculture in the second half of the XNUMXth - early XX century. The transition to new relations in the countryside under Stalin was painful and painful (in addition, by a fateful combination of circumstances, complicated, as we have already said, by a whole complex of adverse natural phenomena), but this transition was necessary. Famine in Russia will then be marked only once more - in the difficult post-war years - in order to become a thing of the past.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 11 March 2020 16: 20
                    -3
                    Quote: Johnny Moss
                    One of the most terrible and large-scale hunger periods were 1891-1892.

                    This without any quotes, the most terrible and large-scale famine in the Republic of Ingushetia claimed the lives of 500 thousand people, according to the highest estimates, and a considerable part died from cholera and typhoid. In the thirties, died an order of magnitude more. The rest of your data for other years contradict not only the statistics of tsarist Russia, but also the studies of Soviet demographers. No deaths from starvation were observed. And to shift the blame for the famine of the beginning of 30 to the damned tsarism is generally ridiculous.
                    1. Johnny moss Offline Johnny moss
                      Johnny moss (Johnny Moss) 12 March 2020 05: 37
                      +2
                      Nobody shifts it. These are figures showing that famine under the tsar priest was a widespread phenomenon, and Stalin is made a "Great Holodomor" in one period of 32-33 years, and, of course, there is his fault - he wanted to build a developed industrial state, and the beacons of liberalism and democracies, for some democratic reason they knew, did not take anything other than grain to pay for tractors and machines, and even at dumping prices. Yes, they wanted to spit on the people, they wanted to strangle the republic.
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 12 March 2020 14: 49
                        -2
                        Quote: Johnny Moss
                        These are figures indicating that starvation during the reign of the king was common.

                        These figures do not have confirmation.

                        https://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/01008004518#?page=268

                        TSB about the famine of 21-22 years

                        ... unprecedented even in the annals of Russian hunger strikes.

                        Killed about 5 million people.
                        Famine 32-33 was even greater, killed about 7 million people.
                        These losses are the largest from starvation in the history of Russia.

                        Quote: Johnny Moss
                        ... and the lights of liberalism and democracy, for some democratic reasons that they alone knew, didn’t take anything except grain, and even at dumping prices, for paying for tractor tractors.

                        These are all legends too.
                      2. Johnny moss Offline Johnny moss
                        Johnny moss (Johnny Moss) 13 March 2020 08: 28
                        0
                        Well, yes, it’s not just legends that you want to hear, further discussion is pointless.
                      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 13 March 2020 11: 32
                        -1
                        Probably. You cannot justify your numbers with links. And I can.
        2. xilia72 Offline xilia72
          xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 20: 09
          -1
          And who wants to revive collective farms? Everyone wants to sit in offices.
      2. xilia72 Offline xilia72
        xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 19: 54
        0
        On the collective farm of the 60s, maybe it was better. Collective farms of the 30s-50s are hunger.
        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) 8 March 2020 20: 03
          +2
          On the collective farm of the 60s, it could have been better. Collective farms of the 30s-50s are hunger.

          Collective farms are not Twix sticks, laughing they were different, it was possible to live in some, in others devastation.
    3. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 7 March 2020 22: 19
      0
      After the peasant reform of 1861, about 89% of peasant households still continued to cultivate their fields with sows and harvest with sickles and braids. The backward farming technique led to the fact that the processes of tillage and harvesting remained extremely labor-intensive and required a large number of working hands. At the same time, the labor expended by the peasants did not at all correspond to its results, since the primitiveness of arable tools did not make it possible to produce deep plowing, the fields were overgrown with weed, and productivity fell from year to year.

      taken from istmat.info.

      Can you imagine how much it is, 30-50 hectares of arable land? wassat
      How many people (workers) and horses do you need to handle it?
      Do you know about black stripe? So, not all the land in the pile was.
      So slow down, five or six is ​​enough, and then, if the earth is solid. Then you, perhaps, will become a prosperous master, after all taxes and taxes have been paid. Oh yes, God forbid, get sick.
      1. Rusa Offline Rusa
        Rusa 8 March 2020 00: 32
        +4
        Basically, only boys before the revolution studied 1-2 years in a parish school, which was not in every village. There were very few girls in the central vocational school. There were no tractors, combines, or electricity. A horse and a plow.
        If there was a drought, then this is a disaster, pestilence. And drought happened often.
        1. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter (Gleb) 8 March 2020 01: 10
          +4

          taken from the exhibition of the Moscow House of Photography.

          The boy behind the plow. Well, yes, if only as an assistant, but not a plowman.
          The children were engaged in more or less feasible work in families, but certainly no one would have set a ten-year-old for the plow. A plow is not a plow, and it would not be possible to put a plow either.
          To sow, to harrow, to graze cattle, but how many cares were there in the household at that time.
          1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
            xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 20: 14
            0
            The boy is well dressed, the horse is full. Under Stalin, skinny cows and women plowed, because tractors were never enough.
            1. Johnny moss Offline Johnny moss
              Johnny moss (Johnny Moss) 11 March 2020 09: 05
              +2
              The mare is old and skinny, the boy dressed all the best, and took the boots from his neighbor, because They will take pictures, staged photos, zhurnalyugi and then fakes cooked.
              1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
                xilia72 (xantos) 11 March 2020 22: 59
                0
                Or fakes like collective farm milkmaids in snow-white gowns.
      2. xilia72 Offline xilia72
        xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 19: 56
        0
        So many hectares for wheat, the rest for livestock - pastures. Bread is about South Russian provisions.
        1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
          xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 20: 18
          -1
          Why not?
        2. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter (Gleb) 8 March 2020 20: 27
          +2
          Bread all over the head. My great-grandfather was a miller in Tikhvin.
          And with cattle breeding is also not easy, neither in the south, nor in the north. Go feed the cattle in the winter, and in the summer, watch the guard on the pastures. Wild animals and "dashing" people in those days were also not rare.
          1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
            xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 20: 45
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            I am Greek, although there is Russian blood. My ancestors on my father lived in Krasnaya Polyana, on my mother in the Kuban, the villages of Severskaya, Ilskaya. In the Kuban, my ancestors were engaged in tobacco cultivation. Fields were taken away, they were sent to Kazakhstan by ship through the Caspian, half of typhus died on the way. My grandmother told me (according to the stories of my parents) and this was in the 80s, only the lazy lived poorly in RI. On his father, everything was not bad at all, his great-grandfather was an officer of the Republic of Ingushetia, the great-grandmother of the princess.
            1. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter (Gleb) 8 March 2020 21: 01
              +1
              ... in the 80s only the lazy lived poorly

              Princes, of course, know better. wink Well-fed hungry does not understand.
              About owls. the period of the 80s can be written in the same way. bully
              The system created on the bones of our ancestors had to be changed, developed, but in no case broken and built on someone’s skeletons again.
              Especially not due to the surrender of the territories of the same RI. Scouts, thieves, hucksters and fools in power, this is dangerous.
              1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
                xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 22: 38
                0
                Many princes only had titles at the end of the century, as in my case.
                Chekhov's Cherry Orchard explains a lot.
                1. Bitter Offline Bitter
                  Bitter (Gleb) 10 March 2020 20: 41
                  +1
                  In the south of Russia it was like that then, in particular in Georgia - wherever you look, the prince sat on every rock.
              2. Johnny moss Offline Johnny moss
                Johnny moss (Johnny Moss) 11 March 2020 09: 07
                0
                Under the tsar of the aristocrats, there were 5-7% of the population, now spit everywhere - from the counts are all noble bloods. In, princes with counts were fornication, Vanstein could not even dream ...
    4. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 March 2020 00: 26
      +5
      How do you imagine raising 30-50 hectares of land without a tractor and mechanization? By the forces of one family .... How do you imagine this ??????
      You raise to start 10 acres with one family. Stretch your legs ...
      1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
        xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 20: 03
        -3
        In Stalin's collective farms, women plowed on cows, or even worse - on women, since men were shot or sent to ITL, and nothing. True, the harvest was weak, not surprising, because the labor is forced.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 March 2020 20: 11
          +4
          Funny .... And why did they create collective farms?
          It’s hard to explain something. Take modern America as an example. The number of private farms is declining all the time. At the same time, the number of agricultural holdings is increasing. LARGE farming enterprises.
          The productivity of large-scale commercial production is ALWAYS higher than that of small enterprises. As for "cows and women", ask why the MTS was created. And why, after the war, Stalin called Khrushchev "little Marx". And how Khrushchev destroyed the collective farms and got a grain crisis. Do not use corn as an example. Khrushchev did what Stalin categorically forbade. And even wrote a separate article on this issue.
          1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
            xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 20: 47
            -3
            There are still no agricultural holdings in Holland; they feed the whole of Europe.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 March 2020 20: 52
              +4
              What are you saying ... Little Holland feeds all of Europe? Well, the French have never heard of this. Yes, both Italians and Spaniards.
              But Bill Gates still collects computers in the garage ....

              I asked you to study the question of collective farms and the role of large-scale industries. To begin with, I recommend Kara-Murza "Soviet Civilization". I don't expect an immediate answer. There are two large volumes for careful study.
              1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
                xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 22: 40
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                I do not want to read about the civilization that has robbed me of my homeland and many more millions.
              2. xilia72 Offline xilia72
                xilia72 (xantos) 8 March 2020 22: 41
                0
                I worked in Holland for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 March 2020 22: 47
                  +4
                  Do not read. I will not force. For 15 years in the Netherlands they have not spoken to me personally. You were born and lived in the USSR or in Russia? Judging by your comment, in the USSR. And do not want to know anything about your homeland? What can you tell me about your new homeland?
                  By the way, the Dutch agricultural sector is 50% flowers and technology. And the creation of large cooperatives. You do not know about this? Not small farms, but the creation of large cooperatives.
                2. Dear sofa expert. 10 March 2020 00: 57
                  0
                  For 15 years, you don’t really learn the Dutch language)) and it turns out .. here I understand, then I don’t understand.
            2. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2020 22: 38
              +2
              Holland? Feed Europe? And what? Is it not breastfeeding?)))
              1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
                xilia72 (xantos) 9 March 2020 22: 57
                -1
                Indeed, it feeds the whole of Europe in winter, only northern in summer. Vegetables, fruits, dairy products.
            3. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2020 22: 43
              +2
              Do you even know what Holland itself is on? Have you heard anything about trading exchanges? Ports in Rotterdam and Amsterdam? Not? Agricultural holdings. And laughter and sin)
              1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
                xilia72 (xantos) 9 March 2020 22: 59
                0
                Then the conversation began with the Stalin collective farms. Ports, exchange, drug trafficking, etc. generally uninteresting in this context.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 10 March 2020 00: 50
                  +1
                  Right. So there is no need to go to Holland. Moreover, the Dutch theme for everyone here is muddy. Close for clarity.
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  • Bitter Offline Bitter
    Bitter (Gleb) 8 March 2020 02: 03
    +2
    Under Stalin, it was necessary to surrender taxes to the state from a cow ...

    Everything is relative.
    Tell us how much, to whom and where under the "tsars" it was necessary to take?
    Later, how many tractors "from the royal shoulder" were sent to agriculture, and so on ...

    And they didn’t take anything at all to the bar, they democratically ruled so gratuitously and in accordance with the most humane laws.
  • Jack clubs Offline Jack clubs
    Jack clubs (Eugene) April 28 2020 23: 02
    -1
    This is how you work. Or sick of what?
  • goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 7 March 2020 13: 39
    -4
    Why and to whom this agitation from the "Short Course", which has nothing to do with the truth? ...
  • Rus Offline Rus
    Rus 7 March 2020 16: 48
    -3
    He is a bloody dictator and nothing more! At the price that he did, it is unstoppable! Hope he is in hell if he exists.
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    2. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2020 22: 50
      +2
      Stalin, as a historical figure, is an ambiguous figure, but to call him a bloody dictator is not your mind. Stalin is by far the greatest political figure of the 20th century. Won the 2nd World War. And the winners, as you know, are not judged. Basta. Everything else is emotions.
  • Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 7 March 2020 20: 04
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    And who made poverty and devastation - revolutionaries!
    This is so the Russian Empire "lagged behind" that in 1912 the editor of the Economist European, leading French economist Edmond Teri wrote:

    There is no need to add that no people in Europe can boast of such results. If the affairs of European nations will go from 1912 to 1950 in the same way as they did from 1900 to 1912, Russia will dominate Europe by the middle of this century both politically and economically and financially. During the twenty years of the reign of Nicholas II, the population of the empire increased by fifty million people - by 40%; natural population growth exceeded three million per year. Along with natural growth, the general level of well-being has noticeably increased. The length of railways, as well as telegraph wires, more than doubled. The river fleet has also increased - the largest in the world. (There were 1895 steamships in 2, 539 in 1906). The Russian army grew in approximately the same proportion as the population: by 4 it numbered 317 corps (not counting Cossacks and irregular units), with peacetime over 1914 people. From 37 million at the beginning of the reign, the budget reached 1 billion. Year after year, the amount of revenues exceeded the estimated estimates; the state always had free cash. For ten years (300-000) the excess of ordinary income over expenses amounted to more than two billion rubles. The gold reserve of the state bank from 1 million (200) increased to 3,5 million (1904). The budget increased without the introduction of new taxes, without raising the old, reflecting the growth of the national economy.
    1. vik669 Offline vik669
      vik669 (vik669) 7 March 2020 21: 19
      -2
      And what have you done, or maybe we are all lucky that you are not doing anything! He studied the primer as a judge!
      1. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 8 March 2020 02: 33
        +1
        I can ask you the same question.
    2. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 7 March 2020 21: 21
      +2
      How wonderful everything was in the country. Just paradise.
      Nothing foreshadowed trouble and suddenly - revolutionaries. Something does not converge.
      And something tells me that you are somewhere underestimating, somewhere you are lying, and somewhere you are too embellishing and preening the affairs of bygone years.
      1. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 8 March 2020 02: 50
        +3
        Where did I say that? There were difficulties, problems and achievements. But, the main thing that can be said is that the state developed in an evolutionary way. Trying to work out your development path. After all, any intervention causes the scattering of the entire system, which is very difficult to build, especially if you build it again. The absurdity of the revolutionary path of development can be shown by the example of the USSR. By the age of 70-80, the Union had practically developed its own development path, but faced with the problem of private property, which resulted in a colossal problem in serving people (primarily food). The Soviet system could live and develop further, but a sharp turn in the opposite direction became destructive for the USSR and it inevitably collapsed. This was a semblance of a revolutionary path. Only this time in the direction of the bourgeois revolution.
        1. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter (Gleb) 8 March 2020 19: 46
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          Where did I say that?

          Everywhere, unobtrusively, but with numbers, in colors and paints. The lighting perspective is peculiar, therefore, probably not for everyone digestible.

          ... a sharp turn in the opposite direction became destructive for the USSR ..

          Yeah, everyone abruptly wanted to become managers, but this work, ... this is for suckers.
          Well, from the side of the "father" of Russian democracy, BNE sounded similar. Like "buy everything there," from chewing gum to airplanes.

          and he inevitably collapsed.

          Come on, his BNU with his clique until his death only destroyed, and the next 25 years will still be further dismantled.

          The Soviet system could live and develop further, but ...

          This very "but" is the whole hitch. The people were simply deceived, and not only in Russia.
          1. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 9 March 2020 00: 36
            +3
            You constantly miss one important fact - the constant complication of the entire system, which affects all aspects in the state. In the presence of private property, some of them can be assigned to private owners (for example, outlets, services, leisure, etc.). In the Soviet system, all this will be owned and controlled by the state, putting an additional burden on the state. Why do you step on the same rake?
            1. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter (Gleb) 10 March 2020 20: 58
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              You constantly miss one important fact - the constant complication of the entire system ..

              I don’t miss anything, everything is fine.
              The Soviet system also had a private sector, it was just that they needed to deal more with, regulate and control, the same as now, and in particular under Stalin, private owners (artels) also began to develop.
              Business in any state should be under control, do not tell me how "the market will rule everything."

              In the Soviet system, all this will be owned and controlled by the state, putting an additional burden on the state.

              Experiencing the load at the Soviets. laughing
              It is possible that nothing is governed by the state in the non-Soviet system, it was very clearly shown by the example of the rule of the anti-state BNE.

              Why step on the same rake?

              Now the same rake, side view, just huge assets overseas are being withdrawn and accumulating there.
              And in the country it will just fall from the "master's shoulder", it will be monitored, and only that is done.
              But control over the business of the nut begins to tighten, especially over the middle one.

              The state is, first and foremost, control and it does not matter what it is, secular or Soviet.
              1. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 10 March 2020 23: 11
                +1
                By the way, your system, which you call "Stalinist", was a strategy for the long-term development of the Russian Empire, only modified to fit the Soviet reality. Lenin's NEP had practically nothing to do with it.
          2. Johnny moss Offline Johnny moss
            Johnny moss (Johnny Moss) 12 March 2020 05: 07
            -1
            An example of this is China.
  • mumbay Offline mumbay
    mumbay (IGOR Igorev) 7 March 2020 21: 16
    +1
    I read comments about Stalin and flights to the past: about the prosperity of the Russian Empire, it’s like in the Russian Federation: 1% is flourishing, and 99% is how it goes. Gasification is only where pipes were laid in the USSR. In the rest of the territory, there is no Gasification Strategy and will not be. Gas is an important export commodity carrying currency, including for foreign shareholders of Gazprom and German Miller for the right to end old age in a villa in Bavaria, and not on the White Sea.
    Growth in RI km of wires and railways shows that RI, finally, has moved towards civilization. But look at absolute or comparative figures - Russia was trailing behind. Even by the 1st World War, they were unable to arm themselves; 7 million Arinak rifles had to be imported from Japan. The smallest number of machine guns, shells per 1 gun, number of cars, airplanes. During the years of the 1st World War, 30 million shells could not be delivered to the front. Hence the losses and huge losses.
    The population was 60% illiterate. Of the literate, most could only read simple texts, moving their lips.

    Only 1/3 of the literate people can be called quite literate people, the rest knew prayers, read the church press, not everyone read the civilian, for example, pupils and pupils of private Old Believer schools do not read it, but only a few are able to make out what is written, and even less often write a letter yourself. Among 30 volost heads and 2 rural headmen, only 13 can sign their name. In 42% of the peasant households of the Moscow province in 1883 there were neither literate nor students; only 58,6% of the rural elders were literate. ”

    M. Semenovsky, Literacy in the villages of state peasants of the Pskov province

    Of the 3 degrees of literacy, most literates had the lowest - clumsily write FI and read a simple text. Behind this is the lack of a highly skilled workforce, work culture. Why should a turner be literate? And then, that literacy involves brain development in general. And if it is stupid, then the quality of turning the glands will be low.
    The number of teachers per number of students and the number of students per population is the lowest in Europe.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2020 22: 54
      +1
      And today it's the opposite)
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  • argo44 Offline argo44
    argo44 (mac) 7 March 2020 23: 04
    0
    To jest tak wybiórcze, że nawet nie chce mi się tego komentować
    1. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) 8 March 2020 12: 53
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      To jest tak wybiórcze, że nawet nie chce mi się tego komentować

      This is probably not so interesting for you in Poland, but here, as you see, passions still boil here.
      1. argo44 Offline argo44
        argo44 (mac) 8 March 2020 18: 09
        -1
        To jest interesujący temat, ale tekst jest po prostu nadużyciem. To jest jawna manipulacja w biały dzień. A w innych krajach nie nastąpiła gwałtowna industrializacja? Który kraj ma największe zasoby ludzkie ten ma największe osiągnięcia w pracy - to normalne. Gdzie tu zasługi Stalina ?? Można by polemizować, ale największą przeszkodą jest wiarygodność tłumaczenia przeglądarki z rosyjskiego.
        1. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) 8 March 2020 18: 59
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          In other countries, industrialization, of course, also happened, but I don’t remember an example of a similar scale. Moreover, it was not carried out in a country destroyed after the revolution and civil war, and without attracting foreign investment.
          The availability of human resources, of course, is important, but it is difficult to explain the success of the work carried out alone, especially since there are not so many 160 million people in such a country. After all, China or India in those years for some reason did not become industrial powers, and they have a much larger population.
          1. argo44 Offline argo44
            argo44 (mac) 8 March 2020 19: 59
            -3
            Niemcy pasożytując na podbitych krajach zaopatrywały się w niezbędne zasoby i prowadziły intensywne badania nad technologiami przyszłości. Podobnie USA. Chiny i Indie nie sprowadziły w 1945 roku kompletnych fabryk z Niemiec i danych z zaawansowanych prac nad niemieckim programem kosmicznym. To radziecki szpieg przekazał ZSRR tajemnice amerykańskiej bomby atomowej. ZSRR ustanowił swoją władzę już w 1920 roku, w Chinach walka o władzę trwała do 1949 roku, a Indie wyzwoliły się od kolonistów angielskich w 1947 roku. Stąd ich zapóźnienie technologiczne - średnio 20 lat. Do tego specyfika narodowa - kastowość itd. I tak dalej i tak dalej .... Dyskusja bezsensu. Ludobójstwo w Katyniu - podpisali się: Stalin, Woroszyłow, Mołotow, Mikojan, Kalinin, Kaganowicz.
            1. 123 Online 123
              123 (123) 8 March 2020 20: 51
              +1
              In Germany, I agree, in the United States the situation is slightly different, there industry developed on military orders.
              China and India, of course, did not export factories from Germany, but it is wrong to say that industrialization in the USSR was carried out by exporting equipment from Germany. Industrialization ended before the outbreak of World War II. Industry was practically re-created, if not for this, the war would have been lost.
              As for the post-war period, of course, yes, equipment from Germany was used, German engineers were involved in the work. The same applies to the creation of a missile program and a nuclear bomb. intelligence data significantly accelerated the creation of nuclear weapons, German experience came in handy in rocket science and jet aircraft, but the United States did the same.
              As for Katyn, it's a very difficult question, I'm afraid you and I have different opinions. Polish officers in Katyn could have been shot by the NKVD, the time was harsh, until recently they fought with them and were considered enemies, especially in Poland they did not stand on ceremony with the captured Red Army men. If left to the Germans, they could start fighting on their side. Human life at that time was not expensive. But what I was able to read about this case is not convincing. I still think that the Germans were shooting. Yes, the government admitted that it had shot the NKVD, but before that it was just asserted that it was the work of the Germans. I think this statement is politicized, after the collapse of the USSR they confessed to "all sins", so they fought against communism.
              In addition, still not all materials are published. Even those materials, copies of which were handed over to Poland, were never published with us.
              By the way, if you published them, can you tell me where you can see them? Maybe there is a link to the site?
              I believe that this topic should be left alone and allow historians to calmly figure it out. This tragedy is still used in politics.
              1. argo44 Offline argo44
                argo44 (mac) 8 March 2020 21: 34
                +1
                Przez 50 lat (1940–1990) władze ZSRR zaprzeczały swojej odpowiedzialności za zbrodnię katyńską. 13 kwietnia 1990 roku oficjalnie przyznały, że była to „jedna z ciężkich zbrodni stalinizmu”.

                https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbrodnia_katy%C5%84ska

                Od jakiegoś czasu czytam rosyjskie i ukraińskie strony internetowe i stwierdzam, że - szczególnie w treściach dla Ukraińców - pojawiają się zjadliwe nienawistne artykuły na temat Polski - Polska z reguły przedstawiana jest jako ktoś agresywny, kto tylko marzy by napaść na Rosję - z gołymi pięściami na atomowe mocarstwo! [W Polsce z kolei media nieustannie straszą nas rosyjską agresją. Rosja pokazywana jest jako ktoś, kto spiskuje przeciwko nam i ma zakusy na nasze przedsiębiorstwa - podczas, gdy po 1989 roku bardzo wiele przedsiębiorstw zostało skandalicznie sprzedanych zachodowi ...] Często w tekstach na tematy historyczne o Polakach kontekst ujmuje się tak, jakbyśmy nie mieli prawa do własnego państwa. Za to często ciepło pisze się o Niemcach - tych, którzy wywołali dwie wojny światowe ...
                1. 123 Online 123
                  123 (123) 8 March 2020 23: 58
                  +3
                  Yes, indeed the USSR denied its guilt after the collapse of the country, Russia has already admitted that the shooting was carried out by the NKVD. I know all this. But I'm not sure that this is true. Yes, there were repressions, and the NKVD were not angels, they had a motive and the ability to shoot Polish officers, but the documents that I saw did not convince me that this was really so. The evidence is inconclusive. I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that pleading guilty was a political decision.
                  There are many fake documents on the Internet, when people refer to them, you open, look and don’t believe it, because the text is similar, but it’s clear that the documents are not real.
                  Thank you for the link, in the Polish version the information is presented in more detail. There are photographs of copies of documents, unfortunately, in the Russian version of these documents are not. I would like to read the materials of the Criminal Case No. 159, there is a photo on your link, but there are just folder covers, the text itself is not on the site. For me it's just a story, I hope that time will pass and we will see all the documents on this matter.
                  Relations between Russia and Poland have never been simple. The media often inflates enmity. This is done intentionally and there is too much politics. Therefore, the Internet is also a lot of negative.
                  If you start arguing with someone, even on this site, you will probably find "kind" people who will write that we do not need your apples, or "it's time to divide Poland again," or something like that. Don't take everything seriously. People write a lot of nonsense.
                  Poland’s intention to attack Russia looks funny, no one believes in it, we are rather worried about the deployment of American missiles, and the rhetoric of your leadership is very anti-Russian. And we do not need your enterprises, we have our own.
                  1. argo44 Offline argo44
                    argo44 (mac) 22 March 2020 12: 46
                    0
                    W latach 1929-1932 amerykańska firma Kana zaprojektowała i zorganizowała budowę w ZSRR prawie wszystkich obiektów z pierwszego planu pięcioletniego. Fabryki ciągników w Stalingradzie, Czelabińsku, Charkowie; samochód w Moskwie, Niżny Nowogród; warsztaty mechaniczne w Czelabińsku, Lububsku, Podolsku, Stalingradzie, Swierdłowsku; warsztaty stalowe i walcownie w Kamensky, Kolomna, Kuznetsk, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Verkhny Tagil, Sormovo i inne.

                    W 1932 r. Umowa wygasła, ale nie zaczęła renegocjować nowej. Nie zostało to powiedziane na lekcjach historii, ponieważ taki nacisk całkowicie zaprzeczał koncepcji "budowania socjalizmu w jednym kraju".

                    Okazało się, że ZSRR nie budował, ale kupił industrializację w Stanach Zjednoczonych.

                    https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20200322/1027109581.html
                    1. 123 Online 123
                      123 (123) 22 March 2020 13: 32
                      +1
                      It is no secret to anyone that equipment for plants was purchased abroad, foreign engineers actively participated in the modernization of industry. Nobody ever hid this. I do not see anything new in this. I knew all this from childhood, from school.

                      W 1932 r. Umowa wygasła, ale nie zaczęła renegocjować nowej. Nie zostało to powiedziane na lekcjach historii, ponieważ taki nacisk całkowicie zaprzeczał koncepcji "budowania socjalizmu w jednym kraju".

                      But I don't quite understand the meaning of this phrase. They built, bought, then did not renew the contract and for some reason began to hide it ... Why? How does this contradict "the concept of building socialism in a single country"? This is some kind of stupidity.
                      I read the information on the link. I do not recommend seriously considering contemporary publications from Ukraine, now there is a lot of propaganda there, and there is a degradation of journalism. They are constantly trying to make a sensation of everything that is possible, and often openly lie. That is now the policy of the Ukrainian state.

                      Okazało się, że ZSRR nie budował, ale kupił industrializację w Stanach Zjednoczonych.

                      This is not entirely true, yes, they bought equipment, foreign engineers worked, naturally, they were engaged in design. It could not be otherwise, the country was destroyed after the civil war. Soviet citizens worked at the construction sites, the USSR provided the necessary materials. To say that they just bought everything is not correct. If they talk about buying, for example, a plant, they imply the transfer of a finished object on a turnkey basis, that is, they accept a fully built and ready-to-use facility.
                      The link can be read a little more. It is written anyway
                      historian.

                      https://www.hse.ru/data/2010/03/30/1217471628/shpotov.pdf
                      1. argo44 Offline argo44
                        argo44 (mac) 22 March 2020 16: 33
                        0
                        A to nie jest rosyjska strona o Ukrainie, lub - dla Ukraińców? Ma rozszerzenie "ru".
                      2. 123 Online 123
                        123 (123) 22 March 2020 18: 07
                        +1
                        You are absolutely right. Registered in Russia. This is not so important, the site content is garbage.
                        In essence, do you disagree with me? Still think that American and German participation in industrialization is being hidden? This topic in Russia is generally of little interest to anyone.

                  2. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 22 March 2020 13: 39
                    +1
                    In 1929-1932, the USSR hired American guest workers, they have another crisis there. Migrant workers met customer requirements well, cherished the work provided. Their hopes were realized, the contract seemed to be extended.
                    In history, the fact of the wise policy of the Soviet state was not forgotten.
      2. Bitter Offline Bitter
        Bitter (Gleb) 8 March 2020 20: 10
        +2
        Gdzie tu zasługi Stalina?

        Yes there are none, he was a bloody dictator, surrounded by a bunch of humane pink and blue elves. Fairies and other good alpha also sat in places, cities and villages, but he was so angry that he managed to sneak everywhere, continuing to do his bloody business.
        All dark affairs in the interval from 21 to 53 years did purely personally Stalin, and all good, unknown to anyone fairies and elves.
  • Artem Popov Offline Artem Popov
    Artem Popov (Artem Popov) 8 March 2020 21: 36
    0
    What a stream of delirium, lol.

    .. among 70 members of the Central Committee were the best experts ..

    - experts in what, undercover intrigues and translation of arrows? Wow, world champions.
  • Jack clubs Offline Jack clubs
    Jack clubs (Eugene) April 28 2020 22: 59
    -1
    Stalin knew how to make decisions. Let the wrong, let the bloody. And the current government is doing everything as directed.
    And Stalin could even evict Tatars from Crimea, so it was not Putin who returned Crimea, but Stalin.