“Chased to slaughter”: Turkish military unhappy with Erdogan’s operation in Syria


In early March, there will be a meeting of the leaders of Turkey, Russia, Germany and France, which, judging by the announcements, will be devoted to resolving the situation in Idlib. The Kremlin and the three NATO countries will try to find a compromise that should suit the main parties to the conflict. The date of the meeting, March 5, can be considered a “deadline”, after which everything will go “peddling”, right up to a direct clash between the Russian and Turkish armies, or some kind of consensus will be found.


If everything goes according to the optimistic scenario, then everything that the Syrian government forces will be able to free by then will remain in Damascus under the new redistribution of the north of the SAR. That is why the Asadites go on the offensive, trying to recapture the maximum number of settlements from the militants. The Turks rested in the west of the province, driving there a very impressive military group, but the Syrians have a chance to manage to occupy the south of Idlib.

Under the blows of government troops, the Turkish military periodically falls, who respond with shelling to their losses. The Russian Aerospace Forces actively support asadites, giving them superiority in the air. Ankara distributed MANPADS to militants and expects Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems from Washington, which we will discuss in detail told earlier. The risk of a direct clash between Russians and Turks is very high, so it’s very curious to see how high-ranking military and close circles evaluate this war and its prospects in Turkey itself.

As you know, in 2016 in Turkey there was an attempt of a military coup. She was unsuccessful, and President Erdogan remained in power, as reported, not without the help of Moscow. It's no secret that policy Islamization, carried out by a permanent leader, does not suit many in the country. The army was considered one of the foundations of “secularism” in Turkey, and after the defeat of the putsch it underwent a serious personnel cleaning.

Even Western diplomats note how the atmosphere in the Turkish army has changed dramatically after the suppression of the coup attempt. Last year, five generals involved in the Syrian direction immediately submitted their resignation, and only three of them were later recalled. President Erdogan then reassigned the six generals. Insiders call this "silent protest." But the retirees of the Turkish high command are much more harsh.

For example, ex-Admiral Turker Ertürk in an interview with a popular publication said:

It is unprofitable for our country to work against the Syrian central government and carry the burden of an imperialist indirect war. Of course, in foreign policy, you sometimes take actions that can be considered immoral, but with the expectation of profit.

The retired brigadier general Erdal Schener believes that Turkey today does not have a clearly formulated policy on Syria, and the “security zone” is an instrument of influence on the regional policy imposed by the USA. The former ex-admiral Ertürk is also inclined to consider Turkey a “proxy force” of Washington for conducting an indirect war against Russia. In his opinion, Erdogan drives Turkish soldiers to the slaughter for the interests of the United States and for the sake of increasing the popularity of his own party among the cheers-patriotic public. At the same time, the retired naval commander indicates that the Americans are actually betraying Ankara, since it cannot count on direct support from NATO if it starts a war against sovereign Syria.

Retired military leaders believe that it is in the interest of Turkey to withdraw its troops from Idlib. However, there is an internal conflict between the military and civil appointees of Erdogan, incompetent, but loyal to him personally. Among the Turkish command, dissatisfaction is ripening that civilians, who do not have a clear understanding of what exactly they want to achieve in Syria, and how exactly, impose their will on them and actually force them to cover international terrorists.

In general, from the “other side” everything is not easy either.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 24 February 2020 14: 22
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    And Russia has not even started to fight in Idlib! She only supported the Syrians a couple of times with air strikes. I constantly urge not to interfere with the military to do their job! Due to Putin’s indecision, the United States seized oil fields in Syria, and is now trading in Idlib. And without oil, why do we need this Syria!
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    2. Conn Offline
      Conn (Conn) 25 February 2020 15: 01
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      Putin is neither smart nor smart ...
      1. DIMA RUS Offline
        DIMA RUS (DIMA RUS) 26 February 2020 07: 33
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        Judging by the comment, you are very “SMART”.
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      2. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 26 February 2020 08: 55
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        If you're so smart, why not the president?
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      3. Regis Offline
        Regis (Sergey Kopan) 29 February 2020 16: 45
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        But your language is fine.
    3. DIMA RUS Offline
      DIMA RUS (DIMA RUS) 26 February 2020 07: 31
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      If, as you said, to pursue a policy, it’s just not Russia, Putin is waiting and doing the right thing, hurry up and make Russia laugh)))))))
      1. Conn Offline
        Conn (Conn) 29 February 2020 02: 05
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        He’s been waiting for 20 years ... didn’t wait for anything good!
        1. A.Lex Offline
          A.Lex (Secret information) 1 March 2020 13: 36
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          Horse, he is doing everything right - there is no war in the Russian Federation - and this is the main thing!
  2. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2020 15: 06
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    Quote: steel maker
    And without oil, why do we need this Syria!

    In fact, there is a little oil, just for your needs. Syria is interesting as a crossroads through which all kinds of pipelines can be pulled. Well, or stop them from pulling.
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    commbatant (Sergei) 24 February 2020 18: 20
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    Retired Brigadier General Erdal Schener believes that Turkey today does not have a clearly formulated policy on Syria, and the “security zone” is an instrument of influence on the regional policy imposed by the USA.

    Therefore, a retired, that he thinks so. Turkey wants to regain influence on the BV and become the first among equals for the Muslim world, as it was during the Ottoman Empire, the territory of the SAR is the former territory of this Empire, and in the north of the SAR is the largest water source - r. The Efrat with its rapids, controlled by and large by the ATS, and if it were not for the mess of 2011 in the ATS, then the war between Turkey and the ATS would be over water, in addition, a pro-Turkish population lives in the north of the ATS, and without police Turkey may lose up to 2/3 of its territory military operations against the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds .... if Kurdistan is created ....
  4. Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 February 2020 22: 33
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    It is necessary to take out tangerines faster, which the Turks promised for the S-400.
    1. Conn Offline
      Conn (Conn) 25 February 2020 15: 01
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      Tomatoes ...
  5. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 February 2020 07: 39
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    Quote: commbatant
    Therefore, a retired, that he thinks so. Turkey wants to regain influence on the BV and become the first among equals for the Muslim world, as it was during the Ottoman Empire, the territory of the SAR is the former territory of this Empire, and in the north of the SAR is the largest water source - r. The Efrat with its rapids, controlled by and large by the ATS, and if not for the mess of 2011 in the ATS, then the war between Turkey and the ATS would be over water

    Interesting replica. Let's be consistent and continue with the logic.
    According to her, then V.V. Putin would have to resign, if he does not fight with Ukraine for the sake of water supply to Crimea and the return of influence on the territory of the former RI. Not? Or does it only work for the Turks?
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 25 February 2020 10: 47
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      ... we will be consistent and continue the logic. According to her, then V.V. Putin would have to resign ...

      We must wait until he writes his memoirs from the "resignation", for sure there will be something to be surprised.

      Retired Brigadier General Erdal Schener considers ...

      Money in the accounts. laughing
      In general, the general is simply no longer fit to serve his country, including, probably, because of his convictions, and therefore is retired, and not in reserve.
  6. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 25 February 2020 15: 36
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    In fact, there is a little oil, just for your needs.

    If the Americans and the Ishilovites would have read this, they would have laughed! And they believe you!
  7. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 25 February 2020 15: 42
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    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 26 February 2020 08: 59
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      "Where are the woods from?" Sound a source of information?