"Patriots" on the Syrian border: the conflict with Turkey may result in something more


Events in the north of Syria are starting to develop in a negative way. The offensive of government forces was suspended, militants, with the support of the Turkish army, counter-broke through their defenses in the area of ​​Kminas and Nairab. The successes of the Syrians are largely due to air support from the Russian Aerospace Forces. Apparently, Ankara is ready to go far to knock this trump card out of the hands of Damascus and Moscow.


Russian planes fly to the SAR, usually at an altitude of 6 thousand meters, to avoid defeat from MANPADS, which the Turks handed out to terrorists, and operate at subsonic speeds. If modern air defense systems begin to be used against them, then our aviation will begin to suffer serious losses, and the offensive potential of the Allies will drop sharply. To this end, Ankara asked the United States for MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 air defense systems. Are they able to turn the tide in Idlib in favor of Turkey, and what is the country's air defense system today?

Turkish air defense consists of anti-aircraft missile systems, anti-aircraft artillery, radio-technical troops, as well as fighter aircraft. It is believed that the component of the SAM is relatively weak.

The most serious of them can be recognized as an American-made MIM-14 Nike Hercules air defense system, hitting air targets at an altitude of up to 30 km and at a distance of up to 150 km. The Turks have 8 batteries and 72 stationary launchers. In the United States, this system was adopted in 1958 and removed in 1989. Its biggest disadvantage is the lack of mobility.

For air defense of the middle zone in Turkey, MIM-23 Hawk is also American-made, they have been in operation since 1960, undergoing modernization. The complexes are suitable for destroying aircraft and intercepting enemy missiles. In the USA, they were withdrawn from service in 2002, where they were replaced by the MIM-104 Patriot air defense system. The Turks have 8 batteries and 48 MIM-23 Hawk launchers.

Ankara uses the British Rapier air defense system to defend its air bases, which did not perform well during the Falkland War with Argentina, the Atilgan short-range systems (with Stinger missiles) and the FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS. It is worth mentioning about short-range and medium-range air defense systems HİSAR-O and HİSAR-A of our own Turkish production.

Well, the "cherry on the cake" will be the Russian S-400 air defense system, which Moscow so imprudently sold to Ankara, without waiting for the completion of the Syrian campaign. The Turks paid for the complexes, have already received and will soon put them into operation. Whether this weapon can be turned against ourselves is a difficult topic. Back in 2017, military expert Viktor Murakhovsky, in response to this direct question, stated:

There is always such a risk with any country.


Well, while President Erdogan spares our feelings and says nothing about the S-400. He asked the United States to place Patriot PAC-3 on the Syrian border of the air defense system. These complexes hit targets at an altitude of up to 20 km and at a distance of up to 100 km. Washington’s response to this has not yet been received, but the White House openly sided with Ankara:

We strongly support Turkey in this difficult situation.


One has to wonder what will happen if the Turks get modern anti-aircraft systems? Will they really apply them on Russian aircraft or will they limit themselves to a demonstration of readiness?

Many domestic "network experts" and "professional commentators" are convinced that in the event of hostilities with Turkey, we will immediately begin to sink enemy frigates, shoot down aircraft and launch nuclear strikes against Ankara. For some reason, they forget that Turkey is a member of NATO. Yes, they refused to fight with the Russians for Turkish interests in Idlib, but at the same time they made it clear that nuclear weapons should be taken “in brackets” in case of conflict.

On the eve of the United States conducted demonstration exercises on the use of nuclear weapons in response to the Russian nuclear strike on a country in Europe. The U.S. Secretary of Defense commented as follows:

They attack us with low-power nuclear weapons. So during the exercises we simulated a response using nuclear weapons.


Perhaps, the Baltic region and Kaliningrad were meant, about which we are in detail told earlier. But it is possible that this was an allusion to the situation with Turkey, which is also part of the NATO bloc.
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  1. Afinogen Offline
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 23 February 2020 12: 10
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    The Turks paid for the complexes, have already received and will soon put them into operation

    We paid half the cost, and we gave the other half to them on credit, maybe they will pay later.
    With regards to "put into operation" - this is unlikely, there is a long process of tuning, debugging, development.

    Can this weapon be turned against us

    It can’t, ours can easily turn it off, and the Turks understand this, they began to ask the Patriots. And they ask them exclusively against us.
  2. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 February 2020 12: 19
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    Quote: Athenogen
    The Turks paid for the complexes, have already received and will soon put them into operation

    We paid half the cost, and we gave the other half to them on credit, maybe they will pay later.
    With regards to "put into operation" - this is unlikely, there is a long process of tuning, debugging, development.

    Can this weapon be turned against us

    It can’t, ours can easily turn it off, and the Turks understand this, they began to ask the Patriots. And they ask them exclusively against us.

    Who will buy weapons for their money that can be turned off externally?
    1. Afinogen Offline
      Afinogen (Afinogen) 23 February 2020 12: 24
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      Now the weapon is very smart, it will not go against its master.
    2. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 23 February 2020 13: 09
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      Who will buy weapons for their money that can be turned off externally?

      In vain you are so incredulous, the version is not at all fantastic. It is far from a fact that at the right moment the purchased equipment will be obedient and manageable. For example, type in the search engine "f-35 secretly transmit data", but not in the "impartial" Google, he categorically refuses to show anything on this occasion, repeat You can find out what the Norwegians think about "automatically transmitting sensitive data to Lockheed Martin's servers." winked
  3. Cheburashk Offline
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 23 February 2020 14: 08
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    The question is whether the Turks will aggravate with Russia. If, God forbid, bring down our helicopter or plane, then what is the answer? But the Turks can afford to make a mistake, but Russia can’t!
    And why Russia saved Erdogan in an attempted military coup - I do not understand.
  4. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 February 2020 16: 33
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    While negotiations are ongoing, hostilities will immediately change the entire structure of geopolitics in the Near and Middle East. Last time, Turkey just "got off with tomatoes."

    Erdogan understands that this time this option will not work. Gas supplies, any trade supplies, nuclear power plant. It is one thing to support terrorists, another thing is to get involved in a full-scale war with three states at once. And if Syria is just a battlefield, then Russia and Iran are not the weakest rivals. Plus a second front in Libya.

    Putin understands that getting involved in a full-blown conflict in Syria is not worth it. That is why the "limited contingent" has worked there so far. Additional difficulties are gas supplies, any trade supplies, and a nuclear power plant. It’s one thing to “wet the terrorists out of the toilet” and quite another to get involved in a full-scale war not with the weakest army in the Middle East. Plus the closure of the Black Sea straits.

    Conclusion - while negotiations are ongoing. But the situation is not a fountain. For a long time, five years ago, I wrote that Erdogan should be knitted with a Manila cable. He is an Islamist. True, he claims to be a "moderate Islamist." But I have not met such people in nature. It’s like with pregnancy.
  5. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 23 February 2020 20: 12
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    Whatever Putin takes, everywhere later Russia has problems. Europe, Ukraine, even China, Turkey. Biathlon is coming now, and that is one humiliation. Erdogan is a greyhound because he knows that killing Russians is safe for health! Our SU-24 directly insolently fired from a Turkish checkpoint. And the fact that this checkpoint was destroyed, I did not find confirmation. And what, will we wait when they bring down? We must either fight, or collect manat and bring down to Russia! The first thing to do is to stop TOURISM. The second is to hit the "terrorists" at the terrorists in Idlib. So that Erdogan understands that closing the straits will not save him. And beat the Turks with the help of the Syrians, until a truce is requested. But in general, our military knows what needs to be done so that Erdogan does it. It’s just that they should not be disturbed with their negotiations!
  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 February 2020 20: 26
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    And how the cheers-patriots painted here on the website the quarrel of Turkey and the USA, the kapets to the Patriots, cheers for the purchase of the S-400 and Erdogan’s friendship with Putin.

    And: a refutation of the evidence from the conference of Erdogan’s cooperation with the terrorists was never given ....
    That is, we are cooperating precisely with terrorists ... and S-400 to them ....