Russian "Mace" lost to 30-year-old American "Trident"


The R-30 Bulava-30 sea-based ballistic missile adopted in 2018, “cannot be considered a particularly breakthrough” type of weapon, and loses to the American UGM-133A Trident (“Trident”) II D5, adopted in 1990.


About this in his article for publication "Military-industrial courier" writes deputy president of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences on information policy, Doctor of Military Sciences Konstantin Sivkov.

The doctor of sciences draws his conclusions based on a comparison of the characteristics of the P-30 Bulava and UGM-133A Trident.

With all other things being equal, the main difference that gives an advantage to the American rocket is the cast weight, which is 2,5 times greater for Trident than Bulava.

This difference allows the American missile to carry a larger number of warheads - from 8 to 14, with a total capacity of up to 457 kilotons.

According to the author, if we compare the characteristics of the missiles, then the older UGM-96A Trident I S-4, adopted in 1979, can be considered the analogue of the Russian Bulava, but the Bulava wins exactly.

The reason for this imbalance, Konstantin Sivkov calls the reforms that followed immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

At the same time, the scientist notes that the Avangard hypersonic maneuvering warhead and the nuclear version of the X-101 missile are truly breakthrough weapons.
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  1. Vsevolod Offline
    Vsevolod (Vsevolod) 20 February 2020 17: 39
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    Bullshit drives Sivkov.
    1. orange Offline
      orange (ororpore) 21 February 2020 19: 06
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      Maybe not bullshit .... In the United States, solid-fuel engine manufacturing technologies were used as the side shuttle accelerator of the Space Shuttle. It is the most powerful solid fuel rocket engine in the world. Moreover, the accelerator was reusable, fell into the ocean, it was towed, re-equipped with fuel and again on the road. True, he had a very dangerous drawback, aluminum powder was used as a combustion catalyst, and after each launch, the Shuttle made a huge hole in the ozone layer of the atmosphere.
      1. Vsevolod Offline
        Vsevolod (Vsevolod) 21 February 2020 22: 15
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        Damn, a month ago, this Wikipedian bullshit was denied. He spoke on the Day TV channel, all the pathos was supposedly driving Putin, the USSR never lagged behind, and Russia did not overtake. It was there that he brought this data from Wikipedia, he just “forgot” to mention that the Trident indicates the minimum load, and the maximum on the Bulava, that the Bulava is two times lighter ... and so on. He is not for the Power, for the USSR it is a shame.
  2. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 February 2020 18: 59
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    Partly he is right, the refusal to continue work on a promising experimental ICBM Bark was a mistake and probably with a corruption background ...
  3. shadow Offline
    shadow 20 February 2020 22: 59
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    Recently there was news that small charges would be put on these trides. Now it becomes clear why such an article was published.
    And yes, carefully.
    Triden 2

    Starting weight - 59 tons. Max. cast weight - 2,8 tons with a launch range of 7800 km. Max. range with a reduced number of warheads - 11 km. The combat load is 300 medium-power WGM (W8, 88 kT) or 475 low-power WGM (W14, 76 kT). The probable circular deviation is 100 ... 90 meters.

    The performance characteristics of the Bulava rocket

    Maximum range - 8000 - 11000 km;
    Starting weight - 36,8 tons;
    Total cast weight - 1150 kg

    From which we conclude: to increase the range of the rocket, the Americans now put a W76-2 charge of 5 kilotons on it and shout that this is a new round in the field of nuclear race.
    And in general, it seems to me that something happened to these Tridenes 2, so they started to put small warheads. But what exactly happened, of course, they will not tell us.
    Perhaps this is due to this.

    https://topcor.ru/13250-ssha-vlozhat-v-novuju-mbr-25-bjudzheta-minoborony-rf.html
  4. Marzhecki Offline
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 February 2020 07: 11
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    Quote: Shadows
    From which we conclude: to increase the range of the rocket, the Americans now put a W76-2 charge of 5 kilotons on it and shout that this is a new round in the field of nuclear race.
    And in general, it seems to me that something happened with these Tridenes 2, so they started to put small warheads.

    This is done in order to be applied locally in real life as nuclear weapons.
  5. boriz Offline
    boriz (boriz) 21 February 2020 12: 43
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    Known thing. Muscovites squeezed a bold order from the provincials. This is about the mace.
    Since 1986 The Miass Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering developed the R-39UTTKh “Bark” theme, ground tests were already completed by 1991. But, in connection with the collapse of the USSR, I had to deal with import substitution (even then). In this regard, three test launches by 1998 were unsuccessful. The finished topic is 72% closed. And the order was transferred to the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering, which had not previously been engaged in underwater-based missiles.
    As a result, we lost 20 years of time, got a rocket with parameters worse than Trident II. In addition, there were means of overcoming on Barka when launching ice up to 2,5 m (we do not have bases in warm seas), and launching from under ice without surfacing submarines gives time advantages for avoiding missile defense and in terms of complexity detection of submarines by the enemy. Mace does not have such funds. Therefore, the submarine will lose time on the ascent and punching of ice, fully detecting itself even before launch, then lose time on diving ...
    Another mafia showdown, which around military orders was enough at all times in all countries. Including during the USSR.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 21 February 2020 13: 42
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      Quote: boriz
      then waste time diving ...

      Diving is no longer necessary.
  6. Dzafdet Offline
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 21 February 2020 18: 53
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    Well, like a Trident with so many blocks flies a much shorter distance. The mace starts faster and can fly along flat trajectories. Not a supporter of the Mace, but here Sivkov is wrong.
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  8. Rus Offline
    Rus 21 February 2020 22: 31
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    There is no secret! Everything on TV lies from cover to cover! And Russia's only victory is a parade with exhibits and exhibits! Who served in the army or went to his sons, this will be confirmed! Soon it will rot, and T-72, and Su-24, and Il, and Tu. And nothing will remain.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 22 February 2020 05: 16
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      Everything is clear, Dima - you have to run. Only the pants do not lose on the road.
      1. Rus Offline
        Rus 22 February 2020 14: 45
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        Yes, I'm not going to run anywhere! I am concerned about the degradation in the country! Well, I can’t imagine greatness in my head in its complete absence.
        1. A.Lex Offline
          A.Lex (Secret information) 24 February 2020 12: 11
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          Well, you are preoccupied! Only your "concern" has nothing to do with worrying about the homeland. You have no idea about the state of the armed forces and generally about the situation in the Russian Federation. Yes, and your homeland, most likely, is not in the Russian Federation, but to the west. For a long time already in Russia they know the true state of the state of troops and equipment ... except, however, especially "fair-faced".
          So, to summarize - you are either from on / off, or from that category, which are designated as ordinary liberoid kraakl.
          1. Rus Offline
            Rus 24 February 2020 17: 13
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            Judging by the flag on the avatar, you are a typical opponent of the mind and relate to the creature, which lives by promises alone! Which receives from the TV only the truth!
            1. 321 Offline
              321 (321) 24 February 2020 17: 47
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              Quote: Rus
              Judging by the flag on the avatar, you are a typical opponent of the mind and relate to the creature, which lives by promises alone! Which receives from the TV only the truth!

              How difficult it is for you, and not only for you, to understand that a lot of people are NOT watching TV anymore, almost completely, almost - yesterday I watched volleyball, there, of course, they told me everything and everything about Syria and Ukraine - you can continue to believe in this further. laughing
              1. A.Lex Offline
                A.Lex (Secret information) 25 February 2020 21: 23
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                321, he does not understand the simple truth, as one of the famous said:

                And the newspaper Pravda, it turns out, was telling the TRUTH about America!

                This is a zombie from the local (or maybe from the Szczechenko’s region), who believes that in order to destroy a disease in a person, a person needs to be killed - at the same time, the disease will “kill” him ... Like those of his friends from VNA, who received with pomp their compatriots from China.
            2. A.Lex Offline
              A.Lex (Secret information) 25 February 2020 21: 21
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              Dima, Dima, I am not an opponent ... I am a Soviet man ... just. And here you are ... who you are ... and what ...
          2. Rus Offline
            Rus 24 February 2020 17: 27
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            You can not answer, I read a couple of your comments.
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