The main myths about the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War

From the very moment of its creation, the Red Army has inexorably acquired various myths. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, this trend only intensified. However, let's try to separate the "grain from the chaff" and debunk the most popular of them related to the Great Patriotic War.

Let's start with the statement that the Soviet commanders had no experience in warfare. This is not true. By the beginning of the offensive by the fascist troops, officers of the Red Army, in addition to the Civil War, managed to take part in a number of military operations. In particular, the armed conflict on the CER, in the battles on Lake Hassan and at Khalkhin Gol, in the Polish campaign of the RKK in 1939 and in the Winter War with Finland.

Another misconception is that the USSR was not preparing for war. By the end of the second five-year plan, the Soviet Union took first place in industrial production in Europe. In the third five-year period, the figure grew by another 13%. At the same time, the growth of the military-industrial complex amounted to 39% per year, and on the eve of the war, the latest types of weapons were created.

This also includes the myth of "one rifle for three." Most often, it applies to militia soldiers at the beginning of the war. However, data from archives suggests otherwise. In particular, as of September 12, 3, 1941 Moscow divisions of the people's militia were provided with 100% small arms and artillery.

The glaring injustice is the assertion that the General Red Frost helped the Red Army. Declared by G. Guderian -50 degrees are pure fiction. The average temperature in November 1941 was from -5 to +3 degrees, and the minimum was -20. At the same time, not only German, but also Soviet soldiers froze and caught a cold.

Far from the truth and the statement that the Red Army won "contrary" to the Communists. By the time of the German attack, the strength of the CPSU totaled about 3 million 900 thousand people. In the first year of the war, 40% of the pre-war composition of the party was sent to the front, which is more than 1,3 million people. In total, during the years of the Second World War, more than 2 million communists died on the front.

The fact that more than 2 million Germans were raped by Soviet soldiers is not worth talking about. The legend of the "ferocity" of the Red Army was born thanks to the propaganda efforts of J. Goebbels. And the above figure is a “merit”, to put it mildly, of the strange logic of the English historian-writer E. Bivor.

And finally, a glaring lie is that the losses of the Red Army were many times greater than those of the Wehrmacht. Germany lost 8 million 876 thousand people on the entire Eastern Front. The irretrievable losses of the USSR amounted to 11 million 441 thousand people. At the same time, do not forget that Soviet soldiers and officers entered the fray and defeated one of the strongest armies in history.

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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 February 2020 10: 59
    1) The experience of the fighting in the Red Army was, but not universal. Only a few units took part in the battles on Hassan, only 1 army corps fought on Khalkhin Gol ... The war with Finland, the Polish campaign, the introduction of troops into the Baltic states and the fighting on the CER, did not affect all the Red Army units .....
    2) There really was a lack of weapons, due to large losses at the beginning of the war and the seizure of army depots by the Germans ... One rifle for three, this was probably episodic, but even the cannons threw out the artillery to defend Moscow museums and storage depots (reserve category 3), which had barely living trunks, this is a fact .. These guns were able to fire 3-4 dozen shots and failed, but they did their job ..
    3) Germans in general, as the youth in Russia say, got ... After all, they walked across France in almost a parade, and in Russia almost every village had to fight with the cruelty of fighting near Verdun, and often Russian bunkers fired to the last bullet, and at the last moment blew themselves up with the Germans surrounding them ...
    4) Near Moscow, the wiring of German tanks was devoured by Russian (patriotic) mice in order .. The grease and fuel of the Nazis did not suit Russian conditions ... But this is their problem, no one called them to Russia ...
    5) As for the raped Germans, after the Russian villages burned by the Nazis, the entire population of which was burned alive in the sheds, or shot and dumped in wells, Germany was treated very, very humane and civilized ... In Russia they say -

    There is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the erysipelas curve !!!
    1. Serik Offline Serik
      Serik (Serik) 16 March 2020 21: 41
      I agree. May the world not see this anymore.
  2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 February 2020 13: 39
    Funny, all these are mainly myths from the Soviet era.
    If everything was so good in the Red Army, why did the Wehrmacht advance so quickly in the summer of 41 (faster than in France)?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 22 February 2020 15: 07
      The disadvantages of Tukhachevsky. In the Red Army there were many conspirators, up to the highest level. At least the commanders of the ZAPOVO and KOVO. The behavior of Tymoshenko and Zhukov before the war and at the very beginning of it is also extremely suspicious.
      For a long time it is all scheduled. Read either Martirosyan A.B. or O. Kozinkin. Martirosyan is very detailed, but hard to perceive (just because of the abundance of information), Kozinkin is like a digest, so it’s easier to perceive. Now, new data is appearing as a result of the opening of archives in recent years.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 February 2020 01: 47
        This is also a myth. In addition to the testimony of those under investigation, there is no evidence of a conspiracy. More than half of the top commanders of the Red Army were repressed, if the conspiracy was a reality, and all these people participated in it, Stalin would not have remained in power.
    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 22 February 2020 17: 39
      The Wehrmacht was rapidly moving towards its end. In 1945, the end was trimmed to the root. But some shavings from circumcision spoil the Red Army.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 February 2020 01: 49
        I seem to have offended the feeling of a believer. Well, okay.
    3. Serik Offline Serik
      Serik (Serik) 16 March 2020 21: 46
      France has fallen. Paris was taken. Do not confuse, please. Our grandfathers from the whole Union gathered and defended, drove away, also defeated the Wehrmacht, took Berlin, destroyed the Reichstag. Thanks to the ancestors.
  3. slesarg65 Offline slesarg65
    slesarg65 (Igor Ivanov) 22 February 2020 05: 28
    No matter how it was before!
  4. nnz226 Offline nnz226
    nnz226 (Nikolai) 22 February 2020 11: 50
    To the losses of the Germans of 8 million 876 thousand people, we must add the losses of Hungarians, Romanians, Finns, French and other European trash! So, the same 11 million will be typed ... As a result, the loss account is almost 1: 1, but taking into account our victory!
  5. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 22 February 2020 17: 26
    The main myths about the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War

    - I'm tired of reading all sorts of speculation ... - after all, you can also scratch your brains yourself ...
    - By the beginning of the Second World War, the USSR had a powerful, mobile, professional, well-armed personnel army ... - But because of direct betrayal; indecision of local command; and simply from the wrong actions of the command ... - almost the entire personnel army was captured ... - Where the units simply surrendered to the Germans; and where, being surrounded, during the fighting they were captured ... - But one way or another ... - 3,5 million staff soldiers and officers were captured ... - It was a disaster ...
    - The catastrophe was also in the fact that the German personnel army practically survived and suffered minor losses ...
    - And the USSR had to deploy a "second army of the Red Army" against the cadre German army, hastily recruited from volunteers and reservists ... - now it was already poorly trained and did not have an experienced officer corps ... - There was only hope for one patriotism ... - I was personally always amazed by songs like ... - "Whisker battalion commanders command ahead ..." ... etc ... - What could they "command" there ... - and even hastily recruited, poorly trained units of soldiers ... - from this and such catastrophic losses in the Red Army ...
    - Now, if at the very beginning of the Second World War this "second poorly trained army of the Red Army" would have been captured by the Germans; and the "first cadre army of the Red Army" would now begin to fight the German cadre army ... - then most likely the Second World War would have ended in 1943 with the capture of Berlin ... - But it didn't work out like that ..
    - But, nevertheless, the Germans themselves fell into a trap on Russian soil ... -This stretched front ... - from Transcaucasia to the Arctic .., a huge occupied territory + the losses that the Germans began to bear and + simply the lack of mobile troops ... - And here also the USSR from the Far East transferred 26 whole divisions to Moscow. These full-fledged personnel divisions, which are called "Siberian", arrived in time at the most crucial moment and decided the outcome of the battle for Moscow ... - At some point, they replaced the entire personnel Red Army, which was captured at the beginning of the Second World War ...
    - And here the German personnel army began to suffer irreparable losses; which the Germans had nothing to make up for ...
    - But, unfortunately, the command of the Red Army did not differ in strategic and other military talents ... - And there was no real turning point in the Second World War ... - Again, very large miscalculations that led to very large losses in the ranks of the Red Army ... - Then " took place Stalingrad ", where again the situation was saved and led to the victory of the Red Army ... -" Siberian divisions "... - very well trained, well armed and equipped (Siberia was then cleaned out ... - there was probably no such total call more then in all other regions of the USSR) ...
    - And these divisions then played their significant role in the victory in the Great Patriotic War ... - Unfortunately, here too the clumsy criminal leadership of the "supreme generals" affected; leading to such monstrous losses of the Red Army ...
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 22 February 2020 17: 43
      It is a pity that in those days there were no real wise strategists who could tell Stalin what to do. And now there are these wise men. But they are reminiscent of Sarah, who half-way remembered that she forgot to say goodbye when she left the guests.
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 22 February 2020 18: 04
        - Well, if you ... Abram, then ... - And you always remember ... Sarah ..., who did yes ... - forgot to say something ... - and exactly what not forgot and forever remembers Abram ...
  6. race Offline race
    race (Yaroslav) 22 February 2020 19: 33
    And where did you unearth these myths? In your head? Or in the movies?

    Germany lost 8 million 876 thousand people on the entire Eastern Front.

    So, not on the eastern front, but on all fronts of the Second World War.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 23 February 2020 08: 09
      Read at your leisure, you should be interested ...
      1. race Offline race
        race (Yaroslav) 23 February 2020 13: 42
        I read a very good analysis, although there are questions. Nevertheless, I did not find any contradictions with my statement.
  7. shadow Offline shadow
    shadow 22 February 2020 20: 19
    All fascist Europe fought against the USSR, and how many millions of people? And what, the Germans themselves go to fight, or first forced to fight their vassals? And how many mobilizations were there in Germany? And who was mobilized in the last mobilization?
    1. race Offline race
      race (Yaroslav) 23 February 2020 12: 59
      Quote: Shadows
      All fascist Europe fought against the USSR, and how many millions of people?

      Please list this entire, as you say, fascist Europe by country.

      Quote: Shadows
      And what, the Germans themselves go to fight, or first forced to fight their vassals?

      Imagine yes. The Germans fought on their own. And their vassals, for example, Romanians and Italians were kept in the second echelon. And when they were nevertheless entrusted to keep the front line near Stalingrad, in November 1942 they quickly merged it.
      The only people to whom the Germans trusted the front, as well as their troops, are the Hungarians.
  8. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 February 2020 10: 28
    Theodor von Bock "I stood at the gates of Moscow"

    According to the report received from the army, the capabilities of the 17th and 173rd divisions that took part in heavy defensive battles were fully exhausted; the remaining divisions suffered heavy losses. XII and XX corps are also extremely weakened and have no opportunity to break through the enemy’s positions.
    Losses, especially in the officers, make themselves felt. Many lieutenants command battalions, and one lieutenant leads a regiment. The number of some regiments was reduced to 250 people.

    For reference - the number of infantry regiment of the Wehrmacht in 1941 is 3250 people. The infantry company is 191 people. The number of companies by November 1941 sank to 80 people. If this is a rapid advance, then long ago Pierre gave his definition.
    If the Wehrmacht lost so few people, then why did it lose the war? This question has no answer.
    Wilhelm Keitel Memoirs "12 Steps to the Scaffold"

    In the first months of winter alone, the number of irretrievable losses of ground forces exceeded 100.000 people, in December 1941 and January 1942 - twice as much. From the reserve army were drafted into the current all military age until 1922 inclusive. I suggested not to touch at least 1923 - The Führer, in any case in words, fully supported me.
    I’ll give only a few figures: on average, our monthly irretrievable losses (excluding losses in the days of general battles) amounted to 150-160 thousand people

    Find at least one difference