Gazprom hangs $ 8 billion debt on Russia


The “effectiveness” of Gazprom’s management is simply amazing. Having capitulated before the start of the “gas war” with Ukraine at the end of 2019, our “national treasure” came out of it not only with an enslaving contract, but also hung a debt of $ 8 billion to Russia as a state. A couple of months of dripping interest, and the "economic activity" of the top management of the state corporation will cost us all the cost of another Nord Stream-2, the payback prospects of which, by the way, are covered with fog.


We are talking about Ukraine’s claims for compensation for assets lost with Crimea. Naftogaz, along with the peninsula, lost 15 oil and gas fields, 3 promising areas, 1 underground gas storage facility, over 40 distribution stations and more than a thousand kilometers of the pipeline. After the referendum in 2014, all this property was nationalized and transferred to other owners.

In 2015, the value of the lost was estimated by Kiev at 1,15 billion dollars, but in 2017 it grew to 2,6 billion. Last year, when Russia and Ukraine were preparing for the “gas war”, Kiev’s losses increased to $ 5,9 billion. Toward the close of the outgoing year of 2019, Gazprom, which had pretty good positions, failed miserably to Naftogaz, falling into an extremely unprofitable bondage for the next five years. As a consolation to the cheer-patriotic public, it was reported that Gazprom had settled all legal claims against it.

As it turned out almost immediately, not all. The “ingenious” leaders of the state corporation preferred to take the issue of Crimean assets out of the picture so as not to hurt the subtle feelings of Ukrainian and European partners. Instead of solving at least one problem, they created a new one, where the Russian Federation will be responsible for them. And you’ll have to pay no matter what the “experts” say, who previously proved with foam in their mouths that Gazprom would freeze Ukraine, bring Europe to its knees and not pay a penny for the Stockholm arbitration penalty. Not frozen, not set, paid.

Now we are again comforted by stories that Russia will not have to execute the decision of the Hague Tribunal at all, since our country does not recognize its jurisdiction. Also, “experts” argue that if Ukraine did not recognize Crimea as Russian, then it does not have the right to demand protection of its investments. They ignore the fact that Kiev considers Crimea its "temporarily occupied" territory of Russia. They also like to give an example of a lawsuit in the case of the Yukos company, where the decision of the tribunal for a gigantic sum of $ 50 billion against our country was canceled.

In reality, everything looks much more pessimistic. The trial will be held in the West, the courts of which have already demonstrated in practice a clear bias in favor of Ukraine. Russia may not recognize the jurisdiction of the Hague Tribunal, but as they say, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, regardless of our attitude to this. State assets abroad may become an object for the enforcement of the plaintiff's claim.

And do not forget who this plaintiff is. This is a Ukrainian company, and Gazprom’s pumping of gas to Europe directly under the new 5-year contract directly depends on Kiev’s services. For example, Nezalezhnaya can simply begin to take gas from a transit pipe for the appropriate amount of the tribunal's decision, and no one can do anything about it.

The reality is that the decision will be made with a high degree of probability in favor of Ukraine, and eventually you will have to pay in the end, as is the case with the fine of the Stockholm arbitration. All that remains is the question of the amount that our country will get due to the leadership of Gazprom. Apparently, understanding the objective situation, the RF Ministry of Justice announced its intention to challenge the size of Ukrainian claims for Crimean assets.

That is, we are talking only about some possible reduction in the obviously overestimated amount. But you still have to pay.
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  1. shpakov.alex Offline
    shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 18 February 2020 11: 13
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    At the same time, the size of the salary of the head of Gazprom Miller involuntarily suggests that this titanium personally fills all export and domestic gas pipelines with a product exclusively of its own production.
    1. vik669 Offline
      vik669 (vik669) 18 February 2020 16: 07
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      Yes, if he was the only one, and then there are more than enough of them, defective ones, but his own, as they say, is not ... and sometimes it’s a pity that he’s not the 37th!
  2. Vladimir_ Voronov (Vladimir) 18 February 2020 11: 25
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    Sergey, more and more often your articles correspond to the proverb:

    Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side

    Your colleagues have already given a more objective assessment of the 2019 contract. Try to give not a tactical, but a strategic assessment.

    Better lose the battle, but win the war
    1. Marzhecki Online
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 February 2020 13: 09
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      Here is the latest news about the debts of Yukos, by the way:

      https://lenta.ru/news/2020/02/18/ukos/

      Just the topic.
      1. Observer2014 Offline
        Observer2014 18 February 2020 13: 44
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Here is the latest news about the debts of Yukos, by the way:

        https://lenta.ru/news/2020/02/18/ukos/

        Just in topic

        Read already. Another "joy" drew. This is apparently printed as above Vladimir_ Voronov (Vladimir), also links of one cunning strategic plan. wassat laughing
      2. kapitan92 Offline
        kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 18 February 2020 13: 45
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Just in topic

        I will add!

        The court obliged Russia to pay about $ 50 billion to former Yukos shareholders
        The Hague Court of Appeal overturns previous District Court ruling

        https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7784895?utm_source=finobzor.ru
  3. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 February 2020 12: 38
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    Quote: Vladimir_Voronov
    Sergey, more and more often your articles correspond to the proverb:

    Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side

    You know better from the side, they say so?
    My colleagues have their own opinions, but I have my own. I always try to argue my position.
  4. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 February 2020 12: 39
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    Quote: Vladimir_Voronov
    Try to give not a tactical, but a strategic assessment.
    Better lose the battle, but win the war

    The fundamental question is: are people capable of systematically making such jambs capable of bringing matters to this very victory?
    Almost every day I do reviews of what is happening in our country. It is obvious to me that the problem is precisely that there is NO strategy, there is only ineffective pulling in different directions in the framework of TACTICS. This is exactly what I personally explain the corresponding result. You can disagree with me.
  5. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 18 February 2020 12: 45
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    I constantly voice my position: "No words, one MAT!" But I’m interested in what SOME say for this article, for whom obscenities and emotions are unacceptable in politics?
    1. kapitan92 Offline
      kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 18 February 2020 13: 34
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      Quote: steel maker
      But I’m interested in what SOME say for this article, for whom obscenities and emotions are unacceptable in politics?

      They will not say anything! laughing Having crap one's pants - the pants are washed, and not the mouth is opened!
      Read carefully the terms of the contract, really bonded to Gazprom. It has the principle of "download or pay", moreover, if the application for pumping under the old Agreement went once a quarter, then the new almost daily. With pumping less than 65 billion a year, Gazprom will still pay in full!
      Bent it to the fullest!
      The guarantor chooses the faithful, and asks how smart! laughing hi
  6. kriten Offline
    kriten (Vladimir) 18 February 2020 13: 41
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    Myself for pockets for a billion dollars, but one, and 8 billion, but debt, is the native state. Forgive the tsar’s king - they managed it. The king will forgive, he is good with us. He did not punish anyone who did nothing in power, even those who openly harmed.
  7. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 18 February 2020 13: 44
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    This time the fault of Gazprom is that he did not persuade Naftogaz to abandon the claims on the Crimean assets? As far as I imagine the situation, they were not the subject of negotiations, the negotiating position of Gazprom was weak (after all, the pipeline was not completed), to expect that in this situation Miller also managed to reject other claims (in the Crimea) is just fantastic. Are you seriously? belay
    In addition to Naftogaz there is still full of “offended” “damned Muscovites”, did Miller also have to agree with Kolomoisky? There Poroshenko misses his "own" factories ...

    That is, we are talking only about some possible reduction in the obviously overestimated amount. But you still have to pay.

    Are you so worried about this? As far as I remember, the idea of ​​paying for Crimea used to find understanding with you.
  8. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 February 2020 15: 01
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    Quote: 123
    That is, we are talking only about some possible reduction in the obviously overestimated amount. But you still have to pay.

    Are you so worried about this? As far as I remember, the idea of ​​paying for Crimea used to find understanding with you.

    Very worried.
    By the way, your comment is a classic of demagogy with a substitution of concepts. I found understanding of the idea of ​​"paying for the recognition of Crimea" by Ukraine. And not for falling for money, while maintaining its unrecognized status, and all sanctions.
    1. cmonman Offline
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 18 February 2020 20: 04
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      Dear Sergey, from your previous. articles “Iranian scenario ...” from 5 Feb. in response to my comment you said:

      ... In fact, the issue of resolving the conflict through the purchase of Crimea is not so stupid. But simply no one will allow this to be done, and your country, the USA, in the first place.

      I didn’t mean “purchase”, and not “repurchase”. I meant to pay for the depressed business, that's all. But it was not Gazprom that squeezed out the business, but Russia. And if it’s absolutely accurate, then the real owners of these businesses must pay grandmas. Yukos belongs to Sechin, so let Sechin pay $ 50bn in court, not Russia! So, in my opinion, Gazprom should not be connected with Crimean businesses / debts.
      Regarding the fact that the US benefits from the Ukraine / Russia conflict, and therefore, sanctions (this is your assumption).
      But you should have noticed that Trump is a “pushy” pragmatist. From the lifting of sanctions and the commencement of US-Russia and Europe-Russia trade, who will benefit? Yes, all countries !!! So the peace between Russia and Ukraine would be a tremendous success for all direct and indirect participants.

      The reality is that the decision will be made with a high degree of probability in favor of Ukraine, and eventually you will have to pay in the end, as is the case with the fine of the Stockholm arbitration.

      I will repeat again for those who do not know that there is no Russian globe. There is a community of states, and according to the democratic law of capitalism, they have private property inviolable (under socialism, private property is not). And since it is inviolable, but has been expropriated, then pay taking into account the loss of profit for all years of expropriation. So it’s cheaper to pay now ...
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 18 February 2020 21: 52
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        Sorry to get into the conversation, hi terribly interested in your opinion regarding:

        From the lifting of sanctions and the commencement of US-Russia and Europe-Russia trade, who will benefit? Yes, all countries !!!

        The US position on sanctions is extremely pragmatic. The main financial losses fell on the shoulders of the Russian Federation and the EU, the volume of trade between Russia and the United States is minimal. If necessary, the United States suspends sanctions, makes exceptions for individuals and companies. Despite the sanctions, the United States is quietly buying oil, gas, and anything else from Russia, while limiting the export of technology, inhibiting Russia's economic development. What will be the US benefit from lifting the sanctions?
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          cmonman (Garik Mokin) 19 February 2020 00: 47
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          ... Sorry to get into the conversation ...

          Getting into a conversation is not only necessary, but necessary - after all, a forum ..))

          ... while limiting the export of technology, inhibiting the economic development of Russia. What will be the US benefit from lifting the sanctions?

          Here you answered yourself !!! The United States will earn on the sale of Hi-Tech, which Russia desperately needs — machine tools, IT technologies and products, oil and gas equipment, turbines, composites, and many, many things that Russia needs. And the United States will open access to long-term cheap loans !!! So, the benefits of open trading are for all participants !!!
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 19 February 2020 09: 09
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            Here you answered yourself !!! The United States will earn on the sale of Hi-Tech, which Russia desperately needs — machine tools, IT technologies and products, oil and gas equipment, turbines, composites, and many, many things that Russia needs. And the United States will open access to long-term cheap loans !!! So, the benefits of open trading are for all participants !!!

            I'm afraid the train is already leaving. Machines are bought from other countries, and their production is gradually developing, the same can be said about oil and gas equipment. Turbines? Do you mean energy? So this is Siemens, and again there are ours, if you talk about aviation, then the engines are sold and so, besides, their own are produced. Composites? Japan banned exports to Russia, now produce their own. Russia's share in US foreign trade at the level of statistical error, it does not pull to “earn”, the volumes are not the same.
            In addition, the inertia of the system is quite large; a large ship cannot be deployed quickly. Russia is enshrined in US law as an enemy, along with Iran and North Korea. New restrictions are being introduced, the United States, apparently, has solved the problem of replacing Venezuelan oil, and now sanctions are being introduced against Rosneft's subsidiary, Rosneft Trading. As for long-term cheap loans, is it an incentive for Russia to meet halfway? I do not see the prerequisites for the normalization of relations. request It's not about Russia, the United States spoils relations with almost all countries.
            I understand that you are for "world peace", but this is unrealistic, in my opinion, you are a dreamer. hi
            1. cmonman Offline
              cmonman (Garik Mokin) 19 February 2020 17: 45
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              It's not about Russia, the United States spoils relations with almost all countries.

              Somewhere, by and large, you are right - Trump rules in the foreign market as if the United States is his company, but at the same time, such a policy in the domestic market gives the result he promised - we will make America stronger. Very low unemployment, wages are rising, the number of people sitting on a welfare has decreased. People began to spend money and the economy rose.
              As for “peace-in-all-world” - it’s unrealistic so far, I agree, but you understand, I’m not going to fight with my optimistic pensioner ...
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) 19 February 2020 20: 10
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                Somewhere, by and large, you are right - Trump rules in the foreign market as if the United States is his company, but at the same time, such a policy in the domestic market gives the result he promised - we will make America stronger. Very low unemployment, wages are rising, the number of people sitting on a welfare has decreased. People began to spend money and the economy rose.

                You can’t argue, he is working for his economy.

                As for “peace-in-all-world” - it’s unrealistic so far, I agree, but you understand, I’m not going to fight with my optimistic pensioner ...

                Of course I understand. yes I didn’t want to say anything bad about it. hi The world is good drinks optimism all the more. good Just outlined some of the reasons why improving relations is not expected. request
      2. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 22 February 2020 19: 52
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        Quote: cmonman

        The reality is that the decision will be made with a high degree of probability in favor of Ukraine, and eventually you will have to pay in the end, as is the case with the fine of the Stockholm arbitration.

        I will repeat again for those who do not know that there is no Russian globe. There is a community of states, and according to the democratic law of capitalism, they have private property inviolable (under socialism there is no private property) ...

        Inspires, as one hero spoke not so long ago laughing - especially considering how and what happened to the diplomatic property of the Russian Federation in the USA, is sacred, say ??? Nu-nu .. bully
    2. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 18 February 2020 20: 09
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      By the way, your comment is a classic of demagogy with a substitution of concepts.

      And what then is higher - blaming Gazprom for the Naftagaz lawsuit? A model of objectivity and impartiality? no You answered how Gazprom could have prevented this, request smile and say - please? smile

      I found understanding of the idea of ​​"paying for the recognition of Crimea" by Ukraine. And not for falling for money, while maintaining its unrecognized status, and all sanctions.

      To pay for recognition is extremely naive and short-sighted, they will take the money - that’s all. Zelensky, and any of his successors, will be able to recognize Crimea as Russian, only in one case, if he decided to drown himself in the Dnieper, he signed ahead. yes
  9. businessv Offline
    businessv (Vadim) 18 February 2020 18: 54
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    That is, we are talking only about some possible reduction in the obviously overestimated amount. But you still have to pay.

    And what else can you expect from a company over which there is practically no control on the part of the state, and the salaries of its officials are such that they absolutely do not care how things are going for the company in which they work!
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    DPN (DPN) 18 February 2020 21: 03
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    And where to go? The pipe is Ukrainian, and it is not gas that can be transported to Europe by air. Therefore, twisting the arms will be complete; while they have an opportunity - the MARKET! Damn it! The pipe "Ukrainian, Turkish or Belarusian" matters, without it it is impossible in any way.
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    Warrior 19 February 2020 01: 11
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    All Crimean

    15 oil and gas fields, 3 promising areas, 1 underground gas storage facilities, over 40 distribution stations and more than a thousand kilometers of the pipeline

    - belong to the Crimea and the people of Crimea, and not to the Ukrainian Naftogaz BECAUSE these assets were legally NATIONALIZED by the legitimate Crimean authorities, which the people of Crimea, which came out in accordance with the UN Charter and international law, together with their territory, land, property, were legally elected , offshore and offshore and other assets FROM THE COMPOSITION of Ukraine in connection with the NON-RECOGNITION of the unconstitutional armed fascist coup in Ukraine on February 21, 2014 and the seizure of power in the former Ukraine by fascists .
    So, Naftogaz SHOULD RECOVER its new illegal Ukrainian power, which illegally seized (occupied) the former Ukraine as a result of an unconstitutional armed coup in Ukraine.
    The fact of an unconstitutional armed coup in Ukraine in 2014, having legal significance and legal force throughout Ukraine, was ESTABLISHED in the Dorogomilovsky court on December 27, 2016, and was not challenged by Ukraine on time, therefore, this decision entered into force on January 28 2017, that is, the NEW UKRAINIAN AUTHORITY, established after the unconstitutional coup (putsch) in Ukraine, is UNLAWFUL, and therefore ALL its bodies and ALL its decisions since February 21, 2014 are ALSO ILLEGAL.
    This also applies to Ukrainian Naftogaz.
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    g1washntwn (George Washington) 19 February 2020 06: 43
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    The main strategic mistake, even for business, even for politicians, is to try to speak with the mentally ill as if he was healthy. The procedure for reviewing long-term contracts had to be launched immediately, and not de facto after ultimatums. They would put them on annual contracts without reference to the European legislation (and Russia itself was harnessed to this yoke) - the conversation would be different. And now, of course, who will pay for this (a bad word forbidden by the rules)? In fact - again, the population, due to the reduction of social programs and other things, not from its own salary of Gazprom management, it must have dreams come true - the rest will wait with their dreams.
    1. Nick Offline
      Nick (Nikolai) 19 February 2020 19: 40
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      Quote: g1washntwn
      The main strategic mistake, even for business, even for politicians, is to try to speak with the mentally ill as if he was healthy. The procedure for reviewing long-term contracts had to be launched immediately, and not de facto after ultimatums.

      Do not draw conclusions based on the fantasies of “analysts” without analytical capabilities.
  13. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 February 2020 09: 11
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    I am becoming more and more convinced that no transit agreement was necessary. This is all bondage.
    But I am also convinced that while the comprador bourgeoisie is in power, no reasonable decisions can be expected.
    1. Nick Offline
      Nick (Nikolai) 19 February 2020 19: 37
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      Quote: Bakht
      I am becoming more and more convinced that no transit agreement was necessary. This is all bondage.

      Arguments?

      Quote: Bakht
      But I am also convinced that while the comprador bourgeoisie is in power, no reasonable decisions can be expected.

      You are stuck in the nineties. Sober up somehow.
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        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 February 2020 20: 19
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        You confuse the 90s with modernity. What other arguments do you need? It was in the 90s that the foundation of the comprador bourgeoisie was laid. And now she is still in power.
        I’m not sobering up. It would be nice to brainwash.
        1. Nick Offline
          Nick (Nikolai) 19 February 2020 20: 26
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          Quote: Bakht
          You confuse the 90s with modernity.

          Get drunk. Semibankirshchina was in power in the 90s. Where are all these Gusinsky, Berezovsky, Smolensk, Khodorkovsky, Nevzlin, pavements now?
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 February 2020 20: 27
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            Do you understand the term "comprador" correctly?
            1. Nick Offline
              Nick (Nikolai) 19 February 2020 20: 28
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              Quote: Bakht
              Do you understand the term "comprador" correctly?

              This is just the question for you.
              1. Bakht Offline
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 February 2020 20: 31
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                "Bureaucratic officials and oligarch businessmen who make their capital by selling domestic natural resources abroad and trading in foreign goods, storing their money in foreign banks, motivated by their own interests and not reflect on the consequences for the country's economy."

                According to the Russian economist M. G. Delyagin, comprador capitalism developed in Russia at the beginning of the XXI century, while the scientist notes its peculiarity, in which the state is played not by individual companies, but by the state

                This is not the 90s. This is modernity.
                1. Nick Offline
                  Nick (Nikolai) 19 February 2020 21: 19
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                  Quote: Bakht
                  This is not the 90s. It's modern

                  Well, Delyagin, to which you refer, is not an authority for me. Delyagin is a lover of biting phrases, often not true. Populist economist. Having some economic baggage, I trust the statistics more based on which conclusions can be drawn.
                  Example: the state budget of the Russian Federation in the last year of the Yeltsin oligarchy - $ 20 billion in 2019 $ 305 billion. That is, for 20 Putin years, the state budget of the Russian Federation increased 15,2 times! Nevermind compradors act! Instead of sending all the money abroad, they send it to the state.
                  The minimum wage in 1999 is $ 3,4 - less than three and a half dollars a month! The minimum wage in 2019 is $ 184. That is, the comprador power, instead of pumping money abroad, spent it on an increase of 9 times (!) The minimum wage. The strange concern of the comprador authorities for the workers, isn’t it?
                  The public sector share in the economy in 1999 is 25%. The public sector share in the economy in 2019 is 70%. What kind of comprador bourgeoisie have returned to the state most of the seized in the 90s?
                  So maybe there are already no comprador bourgeois? Perhaps the majority of the power is a nationally oriented class of statesmen?
                  For all adequate impartial people, the conclusion is obvious. A different opinion is a sign of bias, or a sign of intellectual underdevelopment.
                  Use your brains at your leisure.
                  1. Bakht Offline
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 February 2020 22: 57
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                    Are you using statistics data? As they say, there is a small lie, a big lie and statistics.
                    You may or may not believe Delyagin, but it seems to me that he knows the situation better than you or me. Having "some economic baggage" is not a sign of awareness.
                    Well, let's take data not Delyagin.

                    Over 25 years, assets totaling at least $ 750 billion were withdrawn from Russia, and this is half of the country's annual GDP, Bloomberg Economics analysts calculated. If these assets were invested in the domestic economy, they could increase the volume of production and budget revenues from taxes that could be spent on infrastructure development and social programs - but instead, most of them went to purchase foreign assets, including and luxury yachts that plow the distant seas.

                    But this is the most modest data. Withdrawn more than a trillion. According to the Federal State Statistics Service (I have to cite), about 2014 billion were withdrawn over the past five years (2019-200). About 35 billion were withdrawn over the last year alone.
                    About the "intellectual underdevelopment" is not discussing. Never dropped to the level of the opponent. Not solid.
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                    Let's return to the transit agreement. To nourish a clear enemy, to support the economies of countries that impose sanctions on you, to run into billions of fines to pump the country's resources over a hill - this is a clear sign of the comprador bourgeoisie. And this does not happen in the 90s, but before your eyes.
                    A transit agreement under any conditions is absolutely disadvantageous to Russia. I still think this statement is true.
                    1. Nick Offline
                      Nick (Nikolai) 20 February 2020 04: 26
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                      Quote: Bakht
                      Over 25 years, assets totaling at least $ 750 billion were withdrawn from Russia, and this is half of the country's annual GDP, Bloomberg analysts calculated

                      For 25 years - this includes the "holy nineties." This is firstly, and secondly, see the results of the last 20 Putin years above. I brought the data. And since you love to refer to authorities, I will also refer:

                      According to experts of the Association of Russian Banks, the amount of capital transferred abroad in the 90s was determined in the range of $ 800 billion- $ 1 trillion.

                      So don't make me brains. You are not an opponent; you are, at best, a propagandist.
                      1. Bakht Offline
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 February 2020 09: 16
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                        Well, look at the statistics of Rosstat. REAL incomes of Russians have been falling over the past five years. This was not even in the 90s.
                        But you ran into the 90s, I don’t know why. It was a transit agreement and the definition of compradors. Without any propaganda. The layer of officials and oligarchs selling the country's resources is compradors. In Russia (however, as throughout the CIS), a comprador model of capitalism has been built. One cannot speak about any development of the country.
                        You wanted a rationale why a transit agreement is bad? The answer is in the title of this particular article. Maintain a hostile regime and run into billions of fines can only be a traitor to the country.
                        Of course, Putin is better than Yeltsin. But "better" does not mean good. Everything is relative. Therefore, you like Putin. But if we compare that under the conditions of sanctions and blockade, Stalin built the economy in 10 years, and Putin did nothing in 15 years (I take the interval only until 2014), the conclusion suggests itself. If you do not engage in propaganda, of course.
                        Do you like official data? Putin's rating in 2014 is more than 70%. Due to the Crimea. To be able to collapse your rating to 40% must be able to. Here he has no equal. This is the minimum rating for the last 18 years.
                      2. Nick Offline
                        Nick (Nikolai) 20 February 2020 19: 00
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Well, look at the statistics of Rosstat. REAL incomes of Russians have been falling over the past five years.

                        Craftiness. Rosstat deducts the loan burden from the total income of citizens. But citizens took loans. without asking the government, so the drop in income is a direct merit of those who took loans.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        This was not even in the 90s.

                        Oh oh In 1990, the average salary in Russia was 303 rubles. To compare with anything, we present it in US dollars at the rate of the State Bank, which was approximately 0,6 rubles per dollar. It turns out about $ 505, and in 1993 the average salary in Russia, translated into the same dollars, was less than 75 Baku. If for you this is not a fall in the income of citizens, then you and I have nothing more to talk about. I am not a psychiatrist.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        A layer of officials and oligarchs selling the country's resources, these are compradors. In Russia (however, as throughout the CIS), a comprador model of capitalism has been built. One cannot speak about any development of the country.

                        You are already in the second round. Sorry, but I'm not going to cut circles for you. stop negative
                        Bye Bye. hi
                      3. Bakht Offline
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 February 2020 19: 11
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                        Good luck in the game in tsifiri. Most for psychiatry. In 1995, I personally received $ 100, and in 1999 $ 500. And I know for sure that life has become more difficult. It became easier when he went over the hill and began to receive 2-3 thousand.
                        These are not numbers in ledger, but real life.
                        And Rosstat considers it right. The debt load of the population is a direct consequence of the deterioration of their economic situation. This should be an axiom for a person "possessing some economic knowledge."
                        Once again - good luck in digital battles.
                      4. Nick Offline
                        Nick (Nikolai) 20 February 2020 19: 50
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Good luck in the game in tsifiri. Most for psychiatry. In 1995, I personally received $ 100, and in 1999 $ 500. And I know for sure that life has become more difficult. It became easier when he went over the hill and began to receive 2-3 thousand.

                        Why are you all setting yourself up. You extrapolate your own personal income, your personal problems, you add up to nothing, to the whole Mother Russia. You yourself write that you live now "beyond the hill", but you know for sure that life has become more difficult. I also know that it has become more difficult to live in a foreign country, although I do not live there constantly, but I constantly communicate with my North American comrades. And if it became more difficult for you to live there, then what does Russia have to do with it? Or are you a groomer?
                      5. Bakht Offline
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 February 2020 20: 32
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                        I live in Azerbaijan. Just worked over the hill. Now I work with guys from Russia. And I know not by numbers, but by the real situation.
                        If you do not understand, then explain. The increase in salary does not mean anything. The real consumption matters. You can give a ton of digital values. Without a full complex, this does not mean anything. For example. For a period I deliberately went for a lower salary, but big social benefits. By your logic, does a decrease in salary indicate a worsening of my situation? On the contrary. I won. And those who went for a big salary didn’t really win. Now catch up.
                        The real state of affairs in present-day Russia (as in Azerbaijan) is not a source of joy. Just a few days ago in Azerbaijan there was a rather large increase in salaries, pensions and other benefits. People are happy, of course. But it did not bring much relief. And according to statistics, the increase reached 16%. Everything is in openwork. According to reports of the State Statistics Service and official reports.
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                        I know that you cannot convince anyone. Yes, I did not set such a task. Just, as always, by virtue of my nature, I often get involved in a useless argument. Do you think that a bright future is being built in Russia? I do not dare to dissuade you.
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                        Nick (Nikolai) 20 February 2020 21: 20
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Do you think that a bright future is being built in Russia? I do not dare to dissuade you.

                        So write about the situation in Azerbaijan. What have you climbed into the Runet, and even with claims to the truth in the last resort?
                        In order to find out how your Russian comrades live now, you can ask them. And how Russia lives in economic terms, it is necessary to conduct an economic analysis, identify trends, understand the dynamics not in the moment, but in a long historical cycle. Then, perhaps, more or less relatively objective conclusions can be drawn. And going to give peremptory assessments can only frivolous, unknowing people.
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 08: 45
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                        So many times I heard this stupid statement. What do you climb if you do not live in this country.
                        I explain once again on the fingers. First of all, we are neighbors. In the recent past, they lived in one country. What is happening in Russia (Iran, Turkey, etc.) is directly related to Azerbaijan. Secondly: I can not stand people who give figures in isolation from real life. I have fairly large ties (including family ties) in Russia. Thirdly, from all this discussion, I was once again convinced which of us is "unknowing and frivolous."
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                        Nick (Nikolai) 21 February 2020 20: 22
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                        ... I can not stand people who give figures in isolation from real life.

                        How's that?

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                        From all this discussion, I once again became convinced which of us is "unknowingly and frivolous."

                        So do I.
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 February 2020 09: 59
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    Nothing ... Do you know a proverb?

    Beat your own so that strangers are afraid.

    Products abroad ??? Now they will cash out money for Sberbank, tighten taxes, increase the rate for housing and communal services, report on new breakthroughs, and how nice everyone will run to approve the new Constitution and be dumped to the 13th salary by effective VIP managers ....

    Oh yes, everyone is already running and dumping, without even realizing it ...
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      Nick (Nikolai) 19 February 2020 19: 35
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      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      Now they will cash out money for Sberbank, tighten taxes, increase the rate for housing and communal services, report on new breakthroughs, and how nice everyone will run to approve the new Constitution and be reset to the 13th salary by effective VIP managers ....

      Oh yes, everyone is already running and dumping, without even realizing it ...

      You are the first...
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        Izzy Gubinstein (Izya Gubinstein) 20 February 2020 04: 38
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        You painted a picture of Repin - Jews run to the synagogue to approve the constitution.
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    Fulgur (Fulgur) 19 February 2020 12: 50
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    It's all gone, chef! You have to pay! And what is the appropriation of the PRIVATE property of a national company to the guise of annexation of territories is no longer in fact a racket and does not show our giant before the world community an ordinary economic gangster? smile Well, a freebie breaks off to Gazprom, what side does this touch the average person? Will they raise taxes, or does someone really believe that their money is in the bins of the country, which Gazprom will pay? laughing
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    Dzafdet (Sergei) 19 February 2020 13: 18
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    Something I did not understand, Ukraine has nothing to do with it? All this belongs to the people of Crimea, as it is located on its territory. Crimea is gone and with it assets. Gazprom does not need to chew snot, but file a counterclaim against the theft of pipelines and gas stations built during the Soviet era. Everything was built on the money of the RSFSR. Here they must be recovered with interest.
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    Nick (Nikolai) 19 February 2020 19: 33
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    Again Marzhetsky, all the while, composes on the Gazprom theme. Your fakes are already sick of it. But Gazprom continues to generate profits and currency for the country, not looking at the flocks of mousing mosque, imagining themselves to be a great force from the fact that they pay extra for such "opuses".
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    Dzafdet (Sergei) 19 February 2020 21: 32
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    Today I read that the Crimeans are preparing an otter for the 23rd occupation and blockades. The bill will go to hundreds of billions of dollars. So let's wait ....
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  • oracul Offline
    oracul (leonid) 20 February 2020 08: 35
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    In war, as in war. And crush, and strangle from different sides. And the point is not that Gazprom is so bad, as some write, but that the weakness of Russia as a whole is its desire for decency and honesty in business relations, while the dirty tricks on the part of the USA and the European Union are built up in the dark and in the long .
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