Lukashenko told the details of a frank conversation with Putin


During a trip to the pulp and cardboard mill (CCC) in Svetlogorsk, Gomel region, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko spoke about the details of the conversation in Sochi with Vladimir Putin.


In particular, the head of Belarus retold the dialogue that took place between the presidents during the negotiations:

Putin asks: “Sasha, why will you buy more?” I say: “So that on December 31 every year you don’t kneel in front of you” - “Well, who is it?” - "I am standing. It should not be, and it will not be so. ”


According to the Belarusian leader, he is ready to buy American, Saudi, Azerbaijani, Venezuelan oil, if only on December 31 every year he does not kneel before the President of Russia.

During a speech to the Central Control Commission workers, Alexander Lukashenko also stated that the republic was ready to buy oil at world prices, however, in this case, it would not pay a premium to Russian oil companies.


According to political scientists, despite such harsh statements by Lukashenko, the divergence of positions between Belarus and Russia is a normal negotiation process, and the presidents of the two countries have long resolved all issues.

Experts suggest that during the meeting in Sochi, the head of Belarus voiced some demands of the Russian elites that do not suit the Belarusian side, but this will not fundamentally change anything in relations between Moscow and Minsk.
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  1. Caretaker Offline
    Caretaker (Leonid) 15 February 2020 12: 18
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    ... Experts suggest that during the meeting in Sochi, the head of Belarus voiced some requirements of the Russian elites that do not suit the Belarusian side ...

    The main requirements of the so-called “Russian elites” boil down to the requirement of privatizing Belarusian enterprises and selling them to foreign shareholders, as was done in Russia.
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 15 February 2020 14: 13
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      The main requirements of the so-called “Russian elites” boil down to the requirement of privatizing Belarusian enterprises and selling them to foreign shareholders, as was done in Russia.

      As I understand it - these are your assumptions? Or do you have information directly from the participants in the conversation? smile
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        Caretaker (Leonid) 15 February 2020 16: 57
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        As I understand it - these are your assumptions? Or do you have information directly from the participants in the conversation?

        I comment on the assumption of experts set forth in the article under discussion.

        The desire to privatize Belarusian enterprises was repeatedly formulated by the "Russian elites".
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 15 February 2020 17: 19
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          I comment on the assumption of experts set forth in the article under discussion.
          The desire to privatize Belarusian enterprises was repeatedly formulated by the "Russian elites".

          So, still a personal opinion. I just thought maybe there was some other information. hi Under the vague definition of “some requirements,” anything can be hidden. But the desire to privatize is quite natural, But father also somehow expressed a desire to get "his" wells. Everyone thinks about their "selfish" interests, but I don’t remember the demands of the Russian elite on the "sale of enterprises to foreign shareholders. A rather strange demand. Is the Russian" elite "so disinterested?
          1. Caretaker Offline
            Caretaker (Leonid) 16 February 2020 12: 20
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            Quote: 123
            ... Everyone thinks about their "selfish" interests.

            Some people think about state interests.

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            ... The Russian "elite" is so disinterested? ...

            The "Russian elite" is quoted.
            Rosneft Shareholders - Board of Directors and Management Board
            Of the 11 members of the board of directors, 7 do not have Russian citizenship.
            39% of the shares do not belong to the Russian Federation, respectively, we do not receive profit and taxes from this.

            https://dividendoff.net/investitsii/investitsii-v-aktsii/vladelets-rosnefti.html

            Rusal. Legal Address - 44 Esplanade, St Helier, Jersey, JE4 9WG

            https://www.proakcioner.ru/2019/09/16/rusal-%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8

            Of the 14 members of the board of directors, 7 do not have Russian citizenship (judging by the names).
            For stocks - a dark matter.

            https://rusal.ru/investors/corp_management/board_of_directors/

            Regarding oil, the conflict arose not between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, but between the Republic of Belarus and oil companies led by foreign citizens. Fint with a "tax maneuver" does not formally violate interstate agreements, but in fact is a scam for Belarus.
            That's why he is a “maneuver”.
            1. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 16 February 2020 14: 03
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              Some people think about state interests.

              And who are these some? Is it not father’s? lol

              ..Russian "elite" is so disinterested? ...
              The "Russian elite" is quoted.

              Keyword here disinterestedly.

              requirements of the so-called "Russian elites" come down to the requirement to privatize Belarusian enterprises and sell them to foreign shareholders

              It turns out they are not even trying for themselves. request Want to force Lukashenko to sell everything to foreigners? belay

              Rosneft Shareholders - Board of Directors and Management Board
              Of the 11 members of the board of directors, 7 do not have Russian citizenship.
              39% of the shares do not belong to the Russian Federation, respectively, we do not receive profit and taxes from this.

              As for the shares, do you propose to exclude all foreigners from the number of shareholders? And it didn’t occur to you that they can invest in companies, provide technology, or promote sales of products.
              In my opinion, you are idealizing the "socialist" economy of Belarus. For the development of enterprises, investment and new technologies are needed. For example, you can look at regular mail (today I caught my eye by chance). This is how it looks in Belarus:



              They load, get, consider, weigh, scan, shift and so on ... in three shifts. sad
              This is how mail works in Russia:



              And so in all sectors. If you do not invest in technology, then do everything manually, stupidly with a shovel. And it’s simply impossible to develop all technologies, all the more so in such a small country as Belarus.
              They, in the end, invested money in the company, and have the right to receive part of the profit, and you want to "throw" them corny. yes
              With regard to taxes, do not beat rubbish, it squeals too loudly. First look at the taxation procedure, value added tax, mineral extraction tax, export duties. How can this be affected by the presence of foreigners in the directors? belay In your opinion, there is only income tax and everyone pays it at home, depending on citizenship? wassat
              I won’t even talk about Rusal; it has nothing to do with Belarus at all.

              Regarding oil, the conflict arose not between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, but between the Republic of Belarus and oil companies led by foreign citizens. Fint with a "tax maneuver" does not formally violate interstate agreements, but in fact is a scam for Belarus.
              That's why he is a “maneuver”.

              And why not between the world government and the last bastion of socialism? winked Taxes on the supplied oil will go to the budget of the Russian Federation, and not to the oil industry. Arrangements with the Union State were actually “scammed” by Lukashenko, he made the mess, 25 years he “braced” the brains, and as it came to pass, the “main ally” turned out to be multi-vector (obscene). smile
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                Caretaker (Leonid) 16 February 2020 19: 08
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                Quote: 123
                And who are these some? Is it not father’s?

                Exactly. Do you have facts that contradict this statement?
                I have provided links confirming my claims. Bring and you.

                Quote: 123
                It turns out that they are not even trying for themselves. Want to force Lukashenko to sell everything to foreigners?

                Trying for themselves, but "They" are not Russian the elite. For them, Russia is a place of making money and no more, and the enterprises of Belarus are a tidbit, which, they suggest, can be "squeezed out".

                Regarding taxes - read what taxes and where "residents" and "non-residents" pay.
                1. 123 Offline
                  123 (123) 17 February 2020 09: 32
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                  Exactly. Do you have facts that contradict this statement?
                  I have provided links confirming my claims. Bring and you.

                  With all due respect, hi , the links you cited to Lukashenko have nothing to do. request Does the list of boards of directors of Rosneft and Rusal indicate Lukashenko’s "constant and vigilant" concern for state interests? belay
                  Sorry, of course, but this is simply not serious. no Moreover, what does Rusal have to do with Belarus? request Let’s try to go from the other side, so to speak, the proof is on the contrary. Lukashenko is a scoundrel who is interested in nothing but personal power and money. For more than 25 years, he has sabotaged the process of creating the Union State, by the way, which he initiated. For him, this is just a way to receive subsidies. I wonder what links you provide to refute this statement. sad

                  They try for themselves, but "They" are not the Russian elite. For them, Russia is a place of making money and no more, and the enterprises of Belarus are a tidbit, which, they suggest, can be "squeezed out".

                  But Lukashenko is all so disinterested and is trying exclusively for the working people? Do not make me laugh. laughing The whole difference between them, here is a "pack" of shareholders, there he is alone and does not let anyone into the feeder.

                  Regarding taxes - read what taxes and where "residents" and "non-residents" pay.

                  Rosneft is one of the largest taxpayers in the country. As for individuals (if you are interested in the shareholders themselves) taxes are paid regardless of whether you are a resident or not. Look, read, enlighten on health, you can art. 224 of the Tax Code to open.



                  When selling shares, tax is also levied:

                  https://srgroup.ru/mass-media/srg-smi/nalogooblozhenie-aktsiy-pri-pokupke-prodazhe-vyplate-dividendov/
                  1. Caretaker Offline
                    Caretaker (Leonid) 17 February 2020 21: 49
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                    Quote: 123
                    ... Everyone thinks about their "selfish" interests ...

                    State officials extremely rarely care about “selfish interests” to the detriment of state ones; the environment does not. Lukashenko is no exception, the elections confirm the level of support.
                    By the way, who, besides Lukashenko, did you mean when you wrote "everyone"?

                    Quote: 123
                    ... Let's try to go from the other side, so to speak, proof from the contrary. Lukashenko is a scoundrel who is interested in nothing but personal power and money ...

                    Those. essentially nothing to say? You do not have the facts.
                    Your argument resembles English in the Skripaly and ukro-Dutch in Boeing.
                    You are a capable student.
                    1. 123 Offline
                      123 (123) 18 February 2020 09: 12
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                      State officials extremely rarely care about “selfish interests” to the detriment of state ones; the environment does not. Lukashenko is no exception, the elections confirm the level of support.

                      Do you think Poroshenko is an exception? There, if I’m not mistaken, Bakiyev lives, our “disinterested” Yanukovych heats the bones .. Pay attention to the rhetoric and actions of Lukashenko, he is becoming more and more like Poroshenko. Let's wait for the start of oil extraction from the pipeline and its purchase according to the "Ukrainian scheme"? The elections confirm that only Lukashenko’s position and course is now different. Let's look at the results of the following.

                      By the way, who, besides Lukashenko, did you mean when you wrote "everyone"?

                      This is the basis of entrepreneurship, or, if you want, business, everyone is trying for himself. And Lukashenko is actually the largest entrepreneur in Belarus, the public sector makes up about 70% of the economy, and he actually manages it manually. It is not up to the president to go to the cowsheds and to appoint and remove directors of enterprises. He is obliged to stand above these economic issues and carry out general strategic leadership.

                      Those. essentially nothing to say? You do not have the facts.
                      Your argument resembles English in the Skripaly and ukro-Dutch in Boeing.

                      I think my comments didn’t bother to read? In my opinion, I have clearly described both foreign investors and taxation. Phrase:

                      Exactly. Do you have facts that contradict this statement?

                      under this description. Just a statement that needs to be refuted by facts. smile This is exactly in the style you described. yes
                      All your argumentation is based on the presence of foreign citizens in the composition of directors and that’s all .... further only a stormy fantasy.
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                        Caretaker (Leonid) 18 February 2020 20: 17
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                        Lukashenko is actually the largest entrepreneur in Belarus, the public sector makes up about 70% of the economy, and he actually manages it manually.

                        Those. still care about the public sector, and not about personal profits. Lukashenko is a leader, not an owner. Your accusation of selfish interests is dropped. You have a confused definition. "Selfish" interest implies personal interest without taking into account the interests of others, for example. those who have delegated authority or those that depend or trust. This definition does not fit Lukashenko in principle.
                        Even entrepreneurs are not all “skins,” many are socially oriented.

                        You have accused Lukashenko of "selfishness" and the desire for personal gain.
                        Proving the charge follows you. Facts. What enterprises does he own, accounts abroad, etc.?
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                        123 (123) 18 February 2020 20: 48
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                        Those. still care about the public sector, and not about personal profits. Lukashenko is a leader, not an owner.

                        Who will determine where Lukashenko’s private ends and the state begins? He has long been a comrade of the Saahs. smile



                        Your accusation of selfish interests is dropped. You have a confused definition. "Selfish" interest implies personal interest without taking into account the interests of others, for example, those who have delegated authority or those that depend or trust. This definition does not fit Lukashenko in principle.

                        This is not a charge, but a definition of behavior. And in whose interests is Lukashenko acting now? He defends the right to leave a personal seat on the presidential chair and nothing more.

                        Even entrepreneurs are not all “skins,” many are socially oriented.

                        Do you think Sechin is socially oriented or is he still trying to squeeze out and sell the Belarusian economy to foreign partners? I suppose they are negotiating now, they are negotiating commercial, they are discussing the price ... Sechin, the head of the company, is selling oil, and Lukashenko is buying. What is the president doing in these negotiations? I would like clarity.



                        You have accused Lukashenko of "selfishness" and the desire for personal gain. Proving the charge follows you. Facts. What enterprises does he own, accounts abroad, etc.?

                        About skinning, see paragraph 1, as for personal gain, he disposes of all state property alone. He owns the entire public sector, he even agrees on the price of oil. As for proving how you provide the facts, everything that was said about Sechin, about actions in the interests of foreign partners and about tax evasion, we will return to this conversation. yes
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    General Black (Gennady) 16 February 2020 18: 27
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    And who will get it, and what will happen to the enterprises if Old Man with a cart of seed potatoes leaves for Rostov?
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      123 (123) 17 February 2020 09: 39
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      And who will get it, and what will happen to the enterprises if Old Man with a cart of seed potatoes leaves for Rostov?

      Rostov is not rubber. Let Gorbachev go to Germany, two collective farmers in retirement will have more fun writing memoirs. Lukashenko will be able to advertise chips.
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        General Black (Gennady) 17 February 2020 10: 26
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        I agree. Although it is possible to Poland, closer to apples.
  • 123 Offline
    123 (123) 15 February 2020 14: 10
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    Tell the world

    frank conversation details

    - at least a dubious act from an ethical point of view.
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    Vadim_4 (Vadim) 15 February 2020 14: 35
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    Well, just a martyr of the Belarusian people))
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 15 February 2020 18: 08
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    - No, well, what am I ...- again, or something, to post my old comment on this topic ...- It’s just that evil is already missing ... -one and the same ...
    - yes please .. - here he is:

    gorenina91 (Irina) December 8, 2019 13:38
    On the way to integration: Russia and Belarus managed to bring oil and gas positions closer
    - No matter how Lukashenko is (good or bad) .. but he holds his oligarchs in a fist and controls them ... -they don’t dare to speak against Lukashenko ...
    - But in Russia it is the other way around ...- oligarchs rule Putin ...
    - Here .., for example ... - steal trillions of rubles in any of the oligarchs in Belarus (with large state fraud ... - a scam with nano technologies, etc.) .., or plunder such a state facility as Vostochny Cosmodrome ... - These criminals would have been in prison for a long time (or maybe they were shot) ...
    - And in Russia you can commit monstrous state crimes; inflict tremendous damage on the state and ... and ... and ... and after that continue to hold responsible government posts, as if nothing had happened ... - Our oligarchs are stronger than our guarantor (the guarantor himself is an oligarch) ... - they dictate their criminal wills to him and feel completely safe ...
    - And Lukashenko ... is the "last of the Mohicans" who can punish the oligarchs himself and keep them in a tight rein ...

    - And what will happen if Russia and Belarus unite ??? - Well, for Russia, in fact ... - not much will change ... - But for Belarus everything will be different ..:
    1. Immediately in Belarus, all enterprises, factories and factories are closed down ...- and all workers are driven out into the street ..;
    2. All agriculture in Belarus will suffer the same fate ...- collective farms, large joint agricultural enterprises (meat, dairy and vegetable production) will simply go broke ..;
    3. The rather mobile and professional army of Belarus will simply be disbanded and the entire officers will be out of work ..;
    4. The entire education system (schools, institutes, military schools, etc.) will undergo tremendous changes ...- most teachers will simply lose their jobs ...;
    5. The health care system will slide to the lowest level ... -Most children. gardens just shut up and lose their functions ..;
    6. Across the country (Belarus), a general redistribution of property will begin ...- All enterprises for pennies will be sold in private hands; and many citizens will lose their jobs and their homes and replenish the army of Russian homeless people and the unemployed ...
    - You can still list a lot ... -And you can just say in a nutshell ... -In Belarus, the same thing will happen that today has a place to be in Russia ....
    - Today, Belarus, though, is begging and constantly begging from Russia for benefits and loans .. but ... but ... but ... but there are enterprises, schools, kindergartens; its agriculture, defense industry, design bureau, etc.
    - But what will remain there and will be .. if .......

    - I can add to this

    Putin asks: “Sasha, why will you buy more?” I say: “So that on December 31 every year you don’t kneel in front of you” - “Well, who is it?” - "I am standing. It should not be, and it will not be so. ”

    - And as Lukashenko wanted ... - in a different way it just won’t work out:
    - He will again kneel before Putin.
    - And our guarantor will kneel in front of his oligarchs ... - Only this way and otherwise ... - there's nothing to be done ... - Alas ...
  • Port Offline
    Port 15 February 2020 20: 43
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    The best that Russia can offer Luka is to understand, forgive and release, he has already sunk in the eyes of Russians to the Ukrainian level.
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