Turks in social networks urge "to destroy Russia and trample Assad"

February 14 2020

Turks declared war on Russia. In any case, in their social networks, where local cheers call for the destruction of our country and capture half of Syria. Unfortunately, one can’t just frivolously dismiss such messages.

Similar statements are made against the backdrop of the successes of government forces in official Damascus with the support of the Russian Air Force to free the northern province of Idlib from terrorists. In this case, there are clashes between the Syrians and the Turks with significant losses on both sides. Ankara and the Turkish patriotic public are furious.

We will quote some of the most striking statements of the Turkish public in translation:

Russia has betrayed us in Syria. But half of Syria should be ours.

And here is a less modest statement:

Turkey must conquer Syria, the time has come to demolish Assad, not paying attention to Russia.

And the loudest:

Our task now is to destroy Russia and trample Assad.

In some ways, the Turks can even be understood. In their society, neo-Ottoman sentiments are now strong. President Erdogan himself carefully heats them, conducting policies Islamization of Turkey. He turned from words to action long ago, introducing troops into the territory of Syria, the former province of the Ottoman Empire. This was done under the pretext of fighting the armed groups of the Kurds. The next step is the transfer of Turkish troops to another former province of the Great Port - Libya.

It is not surprising that many Turks have eyes burning now, and they are dreaming of the return of their former imperial power, calling to capture half of Syria, then all of it. It is also significant that they are not too afraid of a military clash with Russia. Of course, they also have a lot of "couch generals" and "couch special forces", but their self-confidence is based on the fact that Moscow actually lowered Ankara to destroy the Su-24 bomber, and then also armed it with the most advanced S-400 anti-aircraft systems. Now President Erdogan is threatening to bring down “any” planes over Idlib, where the Russian Air Force is actively working. The cynicism will be on top if the Turks again bring down a Russian plane, using the same Russian air defense systems.

But back to the threats from social networks. Four years ago, something similar had already happened. Then, instead of Idlib, there was a conflict around the province of Aleppo. The result of that crisis was the vile murder of Russian ambassador Andrei Karlov in Ankara at the photo exhibition “Russia through the Eyes of the Turks”.

Today the situation is repeating itself. Passions rage around Idlib, and now the new Russian ambassador to Turkey, Alexei Yerkhov, has begun to receive threats. In local social networks they promise him to "burn out", offer to "say goodbye to life" and advise him "not to go out." Obviously, the situation was taken so seriously that the Turkish authorities, at the request of our diplomats, tightened security measures around the Russian embassy.

Somehow the warm friendship with Turkey does not develop.

Author: Sergey Marzhetsky

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Offline Dmitry S.

Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 14 February 2020 12: 49

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Declare the Black Sea Russian and drown everything that does not belong to Russia.
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  Bill kilgore (Bill Kilgore) 14 February 2020 13: 11
  
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  Quote: Dmitry S.
  Declare the Black Sea Russian and drown everything that does not belong to Russia.
  
  And forget about the passages through the straits.
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    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 14 February 2020 15: 57
    
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    There, it seems like they were going to dig from the Caspian through Iran?
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      Ivan Semenov (Ivan Semenov) 14 February 2020 16: 06
      
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      When was the last time I looked at a map?
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        Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 14 February 2020 16: 26
        
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        So not in Black ... Geography taught me well.
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        123 (123) 14 February 2020 20: 31
        
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        When was the last time I looked at a map?
        
        The project has been under discussion for a long time. If I'm not mistaken, in one of the options you need about 300 km. to dig, then the existing infrastructure is used. There is a map, you can look at this
        
        https://rcmm.ru/dorozhnoe-stroitelstvo/25302-stroitelstvo-kanala-iz-kaspiya-v-persidskiy-zaliv-iran-soglasen-a-rossiya.html
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 11: 35
        
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        There is not 300 km, but more than half a thousand. At the same time, Iranian experts themselves say that this is technically impossible. Beyond the Caspian lies the Elburs mountain range and so far there is no solution. And this is just one of many technical and environmental issues. And if we take into account the situation with sanctions and, consequently, with financial losses ... In general, this channel will be the same as Nicaraguan, about which at one time it was so loudly beaten in timpani and which failed with such a loud with a bang.
        
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        123 (123) 15 February 2020 12: 27
        
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        There is not 300 km, but more than half a thousand.
        
        Perhaps 500, I said, if I'm not mistaken, those who wish can delve into the details themselves and calculate. Different routes were worked out, it is not a matter of technical details, it is not important in this case. We are talking about the creation of an entire system; the North-South transport corridor is an alternative to the Suez Canal and the Turkish Straits.
        
        Beyond the Caspian lies the Elburs mountain range and so far there is no solution.
        
        The height difference is large, up to 900 meters, but this is a difficult problem, but it can be solved. Rather, the point is not in the complexity of the construction, but in the geopolitical situation, the disagreement over the control of the channel and its further use.
        
        And if we take into account the situation with sanctions and, accordingly, with financial losses ...
        
        The project is tentatively estimated at $ 10 billion, approximately the same amount annually received by Lukashenko for assurances of friendship.
        Even if in the end the amount increases by 2-3 times, the price does not look prohibitive, especially if the project is international. For Russia, India and Iran, this is not that much money. Apparently, you do not live in Russia and you have a somewhat distorted idea of "sanitation pressure". It is strange to believe that Russia will abandon the project because of the sanctions risks. The imposition of sanctions, for example, by the United States against Iran for the construction of the canal sounds ridiculous at all, they are so deep in sanctions. Yes, and India is able to defend its position, they have not refused to purchase the S-400.
        
        In general, with this channel it will be the same as with Nicaraguan, about which at one time it was so loudly beaten in timpani.
        
        The question is, rather, to China, if I am not mistaken, this is mainly its project.
        
        Offline Natan bruk
        
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 12: 42
        
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        This is financing China, or rather, not China as such, but a Hong Kong businessman who went bankrupt and the project almost collapsed before it started. But Russia had a great interest in him. As for the Iranian channel, what kind of 10 billion are we talking about? At one time, even according to preliminary estimates, this was estimated at least no less than 30, again, Iranian experts themselves say that this project is purely political, but in practice it is not feasible. No international project has been discussed for a long time. And the elevation is far from the only technical problem, but just one of them. There are a lot of them. It seems that in Russia this has long been understood, since today this project has stalled. As for the sanctions, it’s not about introducing them, but about the fact that, as a result, Iran’s economic situation has already worsened and there’s simply no money for such enormous and projection projects.
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 12: 49
        
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        About the alternative to the Suez Canal and the Straits is generally ridiculous. How do you imagine this, even if you omit the practical impracticability of such a “project”? How will ocean tankers and dry cargo vessels pass from the Black Sea to the Kerch Strait (in particular, under a bridge), how to pass along the Sea of Azov (it is necessary to dig a passage through the whole of Azov), do you need a new Volga-Don, etc.? Or how will they go from the Baltic through the entire Russian river system, which for this will have to be completely modernized? This projection and political speculation, and no more.
        
        Offline 123
        
        123 (123) 15 February 2020 13: 25
        
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        This is financing China, or rather, not China as such, but a Hong Kong businessman who went bankrupt and the project almost collapsed, never starting
        
        Chinese billionaires, if necessary, will fulfill the party’s decision, they are. This does not change the essence of the matter.
        
        But Russia had a great interest in him.
        
        Russia shows a lot of interest in something, I doubt that this project was a priority. If you look from the point of view of the economy, then Russia does not have such a merchant fleet that it needed a channel to Nicaragua. Moreover, the Northern Sea Route is more important, and there is no end to work there. Interest, rather, geopolitical, control over maritime communications. In terms of a possible military presence, Venezuela is preferable. China is much more interested in this project.
        
        As for the Iranian channel, what kind of 10 billion are we talking about? At one time, even according to preliminary estimates, this was estimated at least no less than 30, again, Iranian experts themselves say that this project is purely political, but in practice it is not feasible.
        
        There was a reference above ....., a preliminary estimate of 10 billion. Even 30 billion for Russia is far from prohibitive. According to my assumptions, Russia wants to gain control over the channel. If they agree, they will certainly build it. After all, this is an opportunity for the Navy to exit from the Caspian Sea to the Indian Ocean and a trade route that is not controlled by Turkey, Egypt, and so on along the route. If a decision is made, be sure to build. The opinion of Iranian specialists is not decisive here. They know how to dig missile bases, but it’s strange to consider that their authority in the construction of hydraulic structures is undeniable. This route is not a priority for Russia, practice shows that such projects have been discussed and built for decades. Nobody expects that next year they will undertake and build everything. This is a distant prospect.
        
        As for the sanctions, it’s not about introducing them, but about the fact that, as a result, Iran’s economic situation has already worsened and there is simply no money for such huge and project-related projects.
        
        If Shoigu has the opportunity to freely navigate ships with "calibers" along the route, the project will instantly move from the category of "projectors" to the plane of practical implementation. In addition, this is also a commercial project, the return of India or the participation of China are not excluded.
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 13: 39
        
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        I can argue with you anything that in the foreseeable future the channel will NOT be built and is a purely political project, primarily due to practically unsolvable technical problems, about which I wrote to you only a small part, but you seem to , prefer not to pay attention to them. With regards to the “decision of the Chinese party,” it simply did not exist. China did not give any financial guarantees to the same Hong Kong businessman and is not going to do it. It is safe to say that this project is completely failed.
        
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        123 (123) 15 February 2020 14: 02
        
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        Why argue if you re-read the comments, from which the discussion began, it was about the very possibility of building a channel. It is strange to argue about implementation in the foreseeable future. We have no information to assess the prospects. Let's guess on the coffee grounds? As for the "practically insoluble technical problems", could you please clarify what exactly they are? I see two problems, overcoming a mountainous area and mixing sea water with river water. The tasks from an engineering point of view are complex, expensive, but I see no real reason to call them unsolvable.
        
        With regards to the “decision of the Chinese party,” it simply did not exist. China did not give any financial guarantees to the same Hong Kong businessman and is not going to do it. It is safe to say that this project is completely failed.
        
        It looks like you are right, perhaps there was no strong-willed decision of the party, weighed all the pros and cons, and so far the project has been shelved. It turns out that this is a project of a private person. But then it is a little strange after that to assert about China's inability to sharpen the channel, especially with the participation of Russia.
        The conclusion about the final failure of the project is not substantiated. I do not see any reason that would not allow returning to the implementation of the project.
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 14: 35
        
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        Firstly, mountains, and secondly, a lot of water is needed for this channel. Where to get it from the Caspian? You will read the comments of hydrologists, what this may lead to, thirdly, there is a big problem to conduct this channel along river beds and much more. I can also repeat regarding the dreams of the “North-South corridor”, the rejection of Suez and the Turkish Straits, and other projections - where and how can ocean ships get into the Caspian Sea? Through the Russian river system? To do this, it needs to be modernized all over, these are billions and billions, and still there are natural limitations. Not to mention the fact that the Iranians, against the backdrop of sanctions, have very bad financial affairs, where should they deal with similar megaprojects now. Russia, by the way, also has it - it has already invested in several megaprojects and it simply won’t pull anything like that. And most importantly, why? Ocean traffic through the river system of Russia is not feasible in practice, well, about Shoigu and "Caliber" is also stupid - these same Caliber were launched from the Caspian. And what's the point in the Indian Ocean? Who is there to bomb? As for China - he was not going to invest any budget funds in the construction initially and did not weigh anything. The project burst - this is the problem of the businessman and his company. The state, as such, has nothing to do with it.
        
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        123 (123) 15 February 2020 15: 22
        
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        Firstly, mountains, and secondly, a lot of water is needed for this channel. Where to get it from the Caspian?
        
        Why from the Caspian? Sea water is used only at the initial stage when leaving the sea, then river water, sea water will not go any further, because by definition it is above sea level, by the way, this solves the problem of salinization of river water and soil.
        
        You will read the comments of hydrologists, what this may lead to, thirdly, there is a big problem to conduct this channel along river beds and much more.
        
        What do you recommend? The combination of riverbeds with river channels will undoubtedly affect the ecology, how this will affect the ecosystem - I do not know, this is a matter of scientific research. If you are aware of such events, share information and discuss. In the meantime, I do not see that it will lead to disaster.
        
        I can also repeat regarding the dreams of the “North-South corridor”, the rejection of Suez and the Turkish Straits and other projections - where and how can ocean ships get into the Caspian Sea? Through the Russian river system?
        
        Why ocean? Nobody talks about "Afromax". Sea-river vessels are fine. They will calmly pass along the internal river system.
        
        Not to mention the fact that the Iranians, against the backdrop of sanctions, have very bad financial affairs, where should they deal with similar megaprojects now. Russia, by the way, also has it - it has already invested in several megaprojects and it simply won’t pull anything like that.
        
        I already wrote that Russia can take on funding. How do you feel confident that Russia will not pull? Are there any real justifications? Financial data, calculations? Or is it just your personal opinion? I repeat, perhaps you are from abroad, and you have a slightly different opinion about the situation in Russia. We do not eat hedgehogs from hunger. 30 billion - the amount is not prohibitive. Moreover, this is not a lump sum, but as the project progresses.
        
        And most importantly, why? Ocean traffic through the river system of Russia is not feasible in the Arctic
        
        What does the Arctic have to do with it? This is a transportation route using Russian river transport, transportation to Europe is possible. Transshipment of goods in the ports of Iran and the entire Indian Ocean in front of you. It is simply closer and, importantly, an alternative way. It cannot be affected by "intrigues" with the lack of insurance, bans on calls to ports, and so on. When transported to Syria, all these risks were fully manifested. The US or the EU cannot control the path through Iran.
        
        well, about Shoigu and "Caliber" is also stupid - these same Caliber were launched from the Caspian. And what's the point in the Indian Ocean? Who is there to bomb?
        
        Why is it stupid? Yes, the "Calibers" were launched from the Caspian, but the range is not infinite. Look at the map, this is the exit to the Persian Gulf. Why bomb immediately? Look how many military bases there are, how many fleets are present. Are they all gathered to bomb someone?
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 16: 05
        
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        Regarding the fact that the idea is initially searchlight and impracticable, as well as regarding filling with water - do you want to give you a link from hydrologists? There, by the way, along riverbeds only part of the canal, and a smaller one. As for the Arctic, these are the tricks of the auto editor, he wrote “in practice”. About the Persian Gulf is generally ridiculous - is Russia going to build bases there? Did someone invite her? And for whom let the Caliber in the waters of the Indian Ocean? And by the way, loud statements about the start of construction were made about 7-8 years ago. Since then, nothing has even budged. And not move. And you, of course, don’t eat hedgehogs, but Russia will definitely not throw out money for such a projection.
        
        Offline 123
        
        123 (123) 15 February 2020 16: 36
        
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        ... want, I will give you a link from hydrologists?
        
        Yes, I would be grateful.
        
        About the Persian Gulf is generally ridiculous - is Russia going to build bases there? Did someone invite her?
        
        This is the ability to quickly transfer ships. As for the invitation, I advise you to look again at the map, how many bases are there, whose and who invited them. There is a little further Djibouti, ask how many bases on their territory. If you argue in this logic, you can ask about, for example, the Israeli financial community. Why are they all over the world? Who invited them? Is it time to return to the borders of Israel? Interests, both financial and geopolitical, do not always coincide with geographical ones.
        
        And for whom let the Caliber in the waters of the Indian Ocean?
        
        If necessary - for anyone. You are not confused by the presence of other foreign troops there. For whom are they going to launch rockets?
        
        And by the way, loud statements about the start of construction were made about 7-8 years ago. Since then, nothing has even budged.
        
        I would be grateful if you provide links where it was reported about the start of construction. They talked about preparation, I don’t remember the start of construction.
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 17: 12
        
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        I will come from duty, I will give a link. As for the bases - there are only those that were invited and no one else. And what kind of fleet will go into the Indian Ocean? Then the “Syrian express ״ barely managed, what kind of oceans are we talking about? Where and what are you going to throw? And what “need” can there be in Caliber in that region? As the saying goes, "Schaub Bulo"? With this approach, you yourself will quickly be left without pants. Well, and about the "financial circles" - this is generally neither to the village, nor to the city. I’ll give the link about the decision to start construction as well when I get home. Now they are silent about this “construction of the century”. And how much noise there was when Iran announced loudly ...
        
        Offline 123
        
        123 (123) 15 February 2020 17: 43
        
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        As for the bases - there are only those that were invited and no one else.
        
        So, if necessary, Russia will be invited. This is such a formality, right? After all, we understand that decisions to open bases are made after negotiations, as this is announced a second time. So far, there is no talk of opening a base, however, as well as building a canal. We are only considering options for the development of events and the possibility of implementing certain plans.
        
        And what kind of fleet will go into the Indian Ocean? Then the “Syrian express ״ barely managed, what kind of oceans are we talking about?
        
        You are absolutely right, the ocean fleet can’t be thrown along the canal. And ships in the fleet are not enough. The possibilities are not the same. But military shipbuilding is gaining momentum. We are talking about the rapid transfer, if necessary, of the ships of the Caspian flotilla.
        
        And what “need” can there be in Caliber in that region?
        
        Sorry for being impolite, but again I will answer a question with a question What is the need for other states to have a military presence in that region?
        
        As the saying goes, "Schaub Bulo"
        
        It’s not quite at the address, a little further to the Southwest
        
        With this approach, you yourself will quickly be left without pants.
        
        Thank you for your concern, do not worry, there are spare ones.
        
        Well, about the "financial circles" - this is generally neither to the village, nor to the city.
        
        Perhaps the example is not the most successful, but as I understand it, you understood the meaning.
        
        I’ll give the link about the decision to start construction as well when I get home. Now they are silent about this “construction of the century”. And how much noise there was when Iran announced loudly ...
        
        Perhaps they announced it, but I don’t argue, I just don’t remember this. Started, stopped, it happens. As for Iran, they can speak beautifully and loudly declare, this is traditional.
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 20: 08
        
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        Well, well, wait for someone in that area to invite the Caspian flotilla to come to them through a non-existent channel into the Indian Ocean. :))) True, it is absolutely unclear what she should do there. And for other states, the need to be there is determined by mutual agreements with the inviting countries. And they do fine without any channels.
        
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        123 (123) 15 February 2020 21: 07
        
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        As I understand it, this is instead of the promised links. Thanks and on this one. Judging by the change in writing style, are you writing under control? If so, blink, we will save you.
        
        Well, well, wait for someone in that area to invite the Caspian flotilla to come to them through a non-existent channel into the Indian Ocean. :)))
        
        The Russian Navy does not need invitations; they do not need visas in the Airborne Forces.
        
        True, it is completely incomprehensible to her what to do there. And they do fine without any channels.
        
        But understanding is not required from you, as I suppose, this is absolutely not your business.
        
        And for other states, the need to be there is determined by mutual agreements with the inviting countries.
        
        I will tell you a secret that if there are no such agreements, then they are just there, as in Syria, or if they are asked to leave, then they do not leave, as in Iraq.
        
        And they do fine without any channels.
        
        They have a different geographical location, it’s more convenient for us with the channel.
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 21: 16
        
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        Sorry, but you are enchanting nonsense. About the links - I wrote - I'm on duty. Day. On a working computer, the entrance to many resources is blocked, including this one, and giving links from a smartphone is problematic. They made fun of the fact that "visas are not needed" - so you say, they say, I’m visiting your harbor, take me immediately without any contracts and permits. :))) If you are allowed to the bottom for this - will you be indignant? And I’ll tell you a bigger secret - just like that »no one on someone’s bases is ever present. The fact that the Americans in Syria without the invitation of the Assad regime - they can afford it. You are not. And what is a “different arrangement?” Who in relation to whom? Well, okay, if you want to dream about a channel - dream for health.
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 21: 47
        
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        By the way, it is very curious - what exactly is a change in style? I don’t even guess.
        
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        123 (123) 15 February 2020 21: 47
        
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        Sorry, but you are enchanting nonsense. For the links - I wrote - I'm on duty.
        
        I did not know that you are on the clock
        
        They made fun of the fact that "visas are not needed" - so you say, they say, I’ll visit your harbor, take me immediately without any contracts and permissions :)))
        
        The fleet is not for standing in the harbor. As for basing, this is a slightly different topic.
        
        And I’ll tell you a bigger secret - just like that »no one on someone’s bases is ever present. The fact that the Americans in Syria without the invitation of the Assad regime - they can afford it. You are not.
        
        You see how everything is simplified, all conscientious husks crumbled and the truth of life is exposed. It turns out the whole thing is who exactly and what can afford. All curtsy and invitation cards are just courtesy. You find yourself perfectly aware that a kind word and a gun together are much more effective. And you have been asking me all evening why a fleet is needed there? That’s why it is necessary that some shameless louts do not understand other arguments, only the risk of getting an oar in their physiognomy prevents them from rash actions
        
        And what is a “different location"? Who is in relation to whom? Well, okay, if you want to dream about a channel - dream for health.
        
        Take a look at the map, see what other country may need a canal through Iran ..... who else has extensive inland waterways. Through the Caspian, a path opens to the Black Sea, then along the Danube to Europe, to the north to the Baltic and the White Sea.
        
        PS Nobody forbids you to dream too, you can consider that neither what nor when will be built
        
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        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 15 February 2020 22: 09
        
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        The fleet, of course, is for another. Only you really cannot afford it. And who can you threaten with an oar in their physiognomy? To the fools from the desert? Of course. And, well, even formidable armies, like the Georgian. In today's situation, nobody really needs a channel. How do you imagine the passage from the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea, Through the Volga, Volga-Don, Sea of Azov, the Kerch Strait (under the bridge? You can still go this way today. But depending on whom. Ocean-class ships will definitely not go through the Azov. On the river the networks to the Baltic Sea and beyond are even funnier. Do you know what condition it is and what it can go there? And what then is the general economic sense in multi-billion investments. Despite the fact that so many technical and environmental problems have not yet been approximately solved. is, it’s still unknown how x decide. Tomorrow I’ll give a link from experts, and not patriots cheers - you’ll see for yourself. And yes, you’re dreaming for now, and I set out what I see - there is no channel, we haven’t thought of starting any construction yet, and, apparently, and they won’t start.
        
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        123 (123) 15 February 2020 22: 56
        
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        The fleet, of course, is for another. Only you really cannot afford it.
        
        Can you brag about yours? What did you build new? I’ll listen with interest.
        
        And who can you threaten with an oar in their physiognomy? Deserts from the desert? Of course. And, well, even formidable armies like the Georgian.
        
        I, of course, have heard a lot about our potential "partners", but in order to deal with donkeys ... Greta Thunberg must be informed or Greenpeace. As I understand it, can you talk about your victories over the armies of technologically advanced countries with advanced weapons?
        
        In today's situation, nobody really needs a channel.
        
        In today's, maybe it’s not needed, for the future it will not be superfluous. Everything is changing, the industry is developing, transshipment of cargo in Russian ports in 2019 is about 900 million tons. Throughout the USSR, more than 600 million tons of spawn did not happen. The use of inland waterways is a useful addition.
        
        How do you imagine the passage from the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea, Through the Volga, Volga-Don, Sea of Azov, the Kerch Strait (under the bridge? You can still go this way today. But depending on whom. Ocean-class ships will definitely not go through the Azov. On the river networks to the Baltic Sea and beyond. Even funnier. Do you know what condition it is in and what it can walk there?
        
        It is possible from the Caspian even today, from India, the increase in cargo turnover can be quite decent. Are you again trying to drive ocean vessels into rivers and canals? What exactly does not suit you in the condition of river waterways? Do you know from afar what condition they are in?
        
        And what then is the general economic sense in multibillion investments.
        
        Without specific information, the value of your "economic calculations" is roughly equal to a donut hole.
        
        Despite the fact that so many technical and environmental problems have so far not even been approximately resolved. That is, it is not yet known how to solve them.
        
        So far, it is not even known what kind of problems these are, there will be information, then we'll talk.
        
        And yes, while you are dreaming
        
        I do not dream, but talk about the likely possibility of construction.
        
        And I state what I see - there is no channel, they have not thought of starting any construction yet, and, apparently, they will not begin.
        
        Could continue ..... and if they start, then they will not build, but if they build, it will fall apart .... Somewhere I already heard similar reasoning. Have you ever had the pleasure of living in Ukraine?
        
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        There is something to brag about. For example, the standard of living, its duration, the availability of quality medicine and much more. If you are about the fleet, we have a new one. But, of course, within the limits of necessity. We have no scraps, we are guided by the principle of reasonable sufficiency. As for partners, "have you really never heard of one of your favorite allies' favorite pastimes?" Well, you are completely innocent, just like a child. About victories - there is also something to say about - 1948,1967,1956,1967,1973,1982. Moreover, in the last three, and especially in 1973, the great and mighty bombarded his Arab clients with the most modern weapons at that time, the General Staff planned a campaign and trained the armies of his “allies,” while the USSR itself participated in the war well — advisers, pilots, crews Air defense, etc. I’m not talking about the multiple superiority in manpower of five regular armies. And it was the USSR, and not the current erefiya. So at that time it’s quite a high-tech adversary. How did all the wars end, in the know? Well, as for the channel - dream of a future for yourself - when coastal galoshes from India will go to the northern countries :))) What kind of problems is well known. As promised, tomorrow I will give links from reputable experts with reasoned opinions on why such a project is absolutely impossible in the foreseeable future. Yes, I must disappoint - I had the pleasure of living not in Ukraine.
        
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        There is something to brag about. For example, the standard of living, its duration, the availability of quality medicine and much more. If you are about the fleet, we have a new one.
        
        Everyone can boast of something. Australia, for example, a kangaroo herd, the conversation was about the fleet .... Can I give you more details on what new high-tech was built?
        
        We have no scraps, we are guided by the principle of reasonable sufficiency.
        
        It's hard for you, sympathy. Reasonable sufficiency, then trying to reach everything that the mind allows?
        
        As for partners, "have you really never heard of one of your favorite allies' favorite pastimes?"
        
        Until recently, Lukashenko was considered our ally .... What, and he too? You do not compose?
        
        About victories - there is also something to say about - 1948,1967,1956,1967,1973,1982. Moreover, in the last three, and especially in 1973, the great and mighty bombarded his Arab clients with the most modern weapons at that time, the General Staff planned a campaign and trained the armies of his “allies,” while the USSR itself participated in the war well — advisers, pilots, crews Air defense, etc. I’m not talking about the multiple superiority in manpower of five regular armies. And it was the USSR, and not the current erefiya. So at that time it’s quite a high-tech adversary. How did all the wars end, in the know?
        
        You Poroshenko are not a relative, by any chance? He also destroyed the "Horde Mongol-Buryats" by divisions every day before breakfast. Also, you know, at the head of the "most powerful European army" "terrible Mordor" held back.
        Do you seriously consider your neighbors as technologically advanced powers? I believe, and you could not do without training and supply of weapons. Or is it all exclusively for yourself?
        
        Well, as for the channel - dream of a future for yourself - when the coastal galoshes from India will go to the northern countries :)))
        
        Don’t worry, I don’t dream about him, except for the channel there is something to build in the country. Maybe his hands will reach him, but they won’t reach, it’s also not a problem. Not the only pebble on the beach.
        
        Yes, I must disappoint - I had the pleasure of living not in Ukraine.
        
        This is not scary, the main thing is that you are close to them in spirit.
        
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        123, moreover, it boasts of victories over the Arabs, who have never been warriors. Even the poor Yemenis cannot be dealt with by these Arabs - they are firing rockets at their factories. To cheer up in front of "camel-lovers" - they can. And yes - I am strongly convinced that this is a former (and maybe even a current) citizen "in / on".

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123, he is an Israeli.

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123, he is an Israeli.

You probably will laugh, but I understood that. True, I'm not sure if it's real, there are a lot of visitors from the American continent, supposedly Europe, and also, judging by what was written, from Alpha Centauri. It does not matter to me at all, I do not differentiate according to nationality or citizenship. As for Natana Bruka specifically, I think he is "our former", and therefore we communicate in our own way, without any discounts for different mentality. Let's argue a little, exchange barbs and, I hope, do not seriously quarrel.
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    The interlocutor was gone. Offended, probably.
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    Yes, I’d like to say something like that let's hope - it will be announced, possibly under a different name.
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drown everything that does not belong to Russia.

The furnace did not grow.

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  So there is nothing to check. Present-day Russia is not able to butt with the Turks in the Black Sea.
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Is Chernomorsk a "free city"? Directly "Golden Calf" of some kind.

Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 February 2020 12: 56

Declare the Black Sea Russian and drown everything that does not belong to Russia.

Famously!

Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 14 February 2020 13: 44

Just like in one movie:

Death to Russians, they eat pork and drink bread wine, death to Russians.

And as for the plane, if they knock down our own complex, then this will be such a failure in politics, after which you just need to shoot yourself (fiction).

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123 (123) 14 February 2020 14: 11

Unbalanced, and even narrow-minded people, enough everywhere. It’s not worth it because of the idiots in the social networks of Constantinople to release. They will make noise and everything will go as it should. In words, Erdogan is ready to fight with half the world. The reality is somewhat different.

Somehow the warm friendship with Turkey does not develop.

And who was counting on friendship?

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steelmaker 14 February 2020 16: 16

This article should be read by Putin and Lavrov. Because they, like small children, will not understand anything until they "fill themselves with bumps". Everyone wants to prove that if the "wolf" is fed, he will immediately become tame.

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This article should be read by Putin and Lavrov. Because they, like small children, will not understand anything until they "fill themselves with bumps". Everyone wants to prove that if the "wolf" is fed, he will immediately become tame.

They do not do it manually, but wean them from the NATO pack. The lone wolf is less dangerous.
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  But did the Turks leave NATO? They haven’t itched something yet, and they never intended to do it at all! They only feed fairy tales to Russia, so that they can get out more dough for all sorts of free megaprojects for themselves.
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    And that the Turks left NATO? Something has not been itched yet, and it has never been collected at all!
    
    No, they didn't, but the "split in the ranks" is obvious, the contradictions are growing and Russia contributes to this to the best of its ability. They weren't going to come out. Do you present the situation as if Erdogan told Putin, you invest money in Turkey, and for this I will leave NATO?
    
    They only feed fairy tales to Russia, so that they can get more money out for all sorts of free megaprojects for themselves.
    
    What kind of fairy tales are we talking about and what do megaprojects have to do with it?
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Perfectionist 14 February 2020 18: 16

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Free Constantinople

And it could be. Turkey, by and large, the state is not legal. It is as if Genghis Khan from Russia did Mongolia.

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And it could be. Turkey, by and large, the state is not legal. It is as if Genghis Khan from Russia did Mongolia.

This lawlessness has been going on for more than 550 years, if you dig so deeply, you can reconsider more than one border. Kazan, by the way, was taken a century later. By the way, who will be a legitimate state? Greeks? Or, as the third Rome, we will present the inheritance rights?
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  It is not enough that they rode from Mongolia 500 years ago, drowning one of the greatest civilized states - Byzantium in fire and blood, staged a mass genocide of local peoples, which actually lasted until the 20th century, and, in fact, even now the Kurds (who only in Turkey about 30 million, actually a third of the population). So modern Turkey is ready to continue in the same spirit, they have occupied half of Cyprus, now there is an occupation of Syria. Turkey is an aggressor country ruled by nomadic Turks, terrorizing all its neighbors, but what is it, they would have squeezed Crimea from Ukraine if their plans had not been confused by Russia, you think why Erdogash was so loud in Kiev "Glory Ukraine "and fervently assured Zelensky that Turkey would never recognize the annexation of Crimea by Russia.
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    I believe that you are planning to establish justice all over the planet?
    Do you want me to write to you in this style about the separatists overseas, how they "otgenocidili" the Indians and continue their exploits to this day? Are they candidates for justice too? Who will we start with?
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      123, here we have to start with them!
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So he did.

nikolaj1703 (Nikolai) 14 February 2020 19: 41

Tourists will stop traveling to Turkey ... And immediately the Turks will inflame with love for Russia. But tourists need to beware - you can get under the distribution.

Wanderer039 14 February 2020 22: 49

Turks need to learn history better ... The war with Russia destroys only Turkey! By the way, personally, I already stopped buying Turkish goods in principle ... I have not bought Georgian wine in principle since 2008 ... I’m sure I’m not the only one ... Hello to the Turkish economy ...

gore (Alexander) 15 February 2020 05: 05

Yes, it's time for idiots to stray into a stupid herd, again try to teach a lesson (educate, restrain, punish) Russia and again get guaranteed on the scoreboard. We must support the tradition, which they can already call it that. "It's time to go to Russia! A hundred years have passed!" ...

Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 February 2020 09: 33

What did you want? Forgot how the Turks shot down a plane? How personally did Erdogan get caught in cooperation with ISIS (banned in Russia)?

Surely, Jews write even better, at least a bunch of trolls in our social networks do not restrain themselves ...

Valery Prusenko (Valery Prusenko) 15 February 2020 12: 36

Turks are descendants of the Ottoman Empire, and Erdogan dreams of a revival of the empire. Therefore, the Turks have an old desire to return the captured countries and territories and subsequently lost. Therefore, friendship with the Turks can not be for any European countries, only the pretense of friendly relations. The Turks can promise a lot of things and smile with a bow, but they always hold a knife behind their back, for a convenient opportunity to stick unexpectedly instead of a handshake to a partner or even a named friend.

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Dzafdet (Sergei) 15 February 2020 12: 42

Only foolish people can dream of being friends with Turkey. It is high time that all the important objects on its territory be introduced into missile warheads. So that later it would not be excruciatingly painful, as in June 1941 ...

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And for whom let the Caliber in the waters of the Indian Ocean?

And for those who cowardly hide behind Russian planes and meanly bomb someone else’s territory.

Alex russia (Georges Miloslavsky) 15 February 2020 22: 51

And that the Turks left NATO? They haven’t itched something yet, and they never intended to do it at all!

No, they didn't, but the "split in the ranks" is obvious, the contradictions are growing, and Russia contributes to this to the best of its ability. They weren't going to come out. Do you present the situation as if Erdogan told Putin, you invest money in Turkey, and for this I will leave NATO?

They only feed fairy tales to Russia, so that they can get more money out for all sorts of free megaprojects for themselves.

What kind of fairy tales are we talking about and what do megaprojects have to do with it?

The split is in your brains, and not in their ranks, do not be so naive, Turkey has never been and will not be an ally of Russia, all these are illusions. As they were in NATO, they will be so, as there is the largest American base with Incirlik's atomic weapons stationed on it, so it will be there. The Türks are cunning ... politicians are just as corrupt ... they know their work very well, big masters tell tales, but how it comes to the next crisis - Russia, as always, will be left with nothing.

Alex russia (Georges Miloslavsky) 15 February 2020 23: 36

I believe that you are planning to establish justice all over the planet?
Do you want me to write to you in this style about the separatists overseas, how they "otgenocidili" the Indians and continue their exploits to this day? Are they candidates for justice too? Who will we start with?

My dear, your "separatists" overseas at least publicly apologized for the genocide of the Indians, and there the descendants of the Indians were given a bunch of privileges, benefits and tax benefits such as you never dreamed of in Russia (I have traveled far and wide in America for two years and know , as they say, all this is not hearsay), the Americans are not proud of this, for them it is a shameful part of their history, unlike the descendants of the Turks, who consider the national heroes of those who massacred the indigenous population of the lands they had seized by millions, which are only hymns and portraits of Ataturk, the tyrant who committed genocide, massacring and decaying millions of Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, and this is all modern history of Turkey, and not some medieval history, children in schools are taught that to destroy millions of Christians is a blessing, as they did a great leader and father, and everyone in Turkey is proud of this. Can you imagine if now in Germany everyone will glorify Hitler and say that he destroyed other peoples for the good of Germany, and that this is actually good, I am sure that you will not like it, so why should you like what is happening in Turkey now? ?

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My dear, your "separatists" overseas at least publicly apologized for the genocide of the Indians, and there the descendants of the Indians were given a bunch of privileges, benefits and tax benefits such as you never dreamed of in Russia

Here it turns out like, you just had to apologize and accidentally provide benefits to survivors. By the way, can you tell me who and when publicly apologized for the genocide?

(... I traveled far and wide in America for two years and I know, as they say, all this firsthand)

Did you talk to the Indians too?

... Americans are not proud of it, for them it is a shameful part of their story

Quite right and new pages continue to be written into this story. If you wish, on this site you can easily find how the Indian cemetery was blown up during the construction of the Trump wall.

... unlike the descendants of the Türks, who consider the national heroes of those who slaughtered the indigenous people of the lands they occupied by millions, which are all around the hymns and portraits of Atatürk, the tyrant who committed genocide, cutting and decaying millions of Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, and it’s all the modern history of Turkey, and not some Middle Ages, children are taught in schools that destroying millions of Christians is a blessing, as their great leader and father did, and everyone in Turkey is proud of it.

I suppose you traveled far and wide across Turkey too?

Can you imagine if now in Germany everyone will glorify Hitler and say that he destroyed other nations for the good of Germany, and that it’s good in fact, I’m sure that you will not like it, so why should you like what is happening in Turkey?

And with what fright, the conclusion is that I like what is happening in Turkey? By the way, about Hitler, you are in vain, in the world there are two countries that regularly vote against resolutions on the fight against the glorification of Nazism. 200 years ago, Negroes were trafficked in the United States; the Mississippi amendment to ban slavery was ratified in 2013 and this is also the latest US history.
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  And I had to talk with the Indians, and traveled Turkey far and wide, yes, that’s how it is, as I understand it, you are jealous.
  And why are you ironic about apologies to the descendants of the genocide-affected peoples, do you think this is wrong? Why did Germany then apologize to the Jews, as I understand it, do you think this is a mistake? So Germany didn’t just apologize, for your information, but still pays Jews benefits for the genocide. And this is right, so it is necessary to do with other countries, so that it was not familiar to others to commit similar crimes against humanity in the future!
  And leave the United States alone, yes, not everything is so good there, and it is tormented by many old wounds, but there is democracy and a rule of law, yes, with distortions, but believe me, Russia is still very, very far from America!
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    And I had to talk with the Indians, and traveled Turkey far and wide, yes, that’s all, I understand you enviously.
    
    Not at all, I have no passion for traveling abroad, I always refused to go to Turkey categorically, the chicken is not a bird - Turkey is not abroad.
    
    And why are you ironic about apologies to the descendants of the genocide-affected peoples, do you think this is wrong? Why did Germany then apologize to the Jews, as I understand it, do you think this is a mistake? So Germany didn’t just apologize, for your information, but still pays Jews benefits for the genocide. And this is right, so it is necessary to do with other countries, so that it was not familiar to others to commit similar crimes against humanity in the future!
    
    I asked who did it exactly and when?
    
    publicly apologized for indigenous genocide
    
    It's irony? Germany not only apologized, she also made certain conclusions. It’s rather difficult to imagine that a Jewish cemetery was blown up to build a fence. As for the genocide in Turkey, the United States recognized it in that way, political considerations outweighed it. For them, it's just a bargain, no morality.
    
    And leave the United States alone, yes, not everything is so good there, and it is tormented by many old wounds, but there is democracy and a rule of law, yes, with distortions, but believe me, Russia is still very, very far from America!
    
    Do not worry so much for them, I will not torment the poor States Tales about the rule of law and democracy are not new, maybe for the better, that Russia is far from the United States?

Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 16 February 2020 00: 57

Believe in social networks - do not respect yourself!

Potapov (Valery) 16 February 2020 09: 52

So they will kill tourists. The season is frustrated.