Why did China launch a campaign against Russian weapons?


Recently, publications in the Celestial Empire’s electronic media have begun to go out one after another, casting doubt on our country's ability to create new, promising types of weapons, and to maintain the proper level technical equipment of the Armed Forces as such. All this begins to resemble a friendly and harmonious choir, performing its part according to some “score” written by someone.


Based on the fact that in China it is generally quite difficult to imagine an information campaign that some government circles would not have been involved in, the conclusions are not very positive. How much truth is there in the attacks voiced by the Chinese comrades on our military-technical potential and what could be their reason? Let's try to figure it out.

PACK YES - yes or no?


One of the most recent publications on the Sina.com portal, which is called “bone-wise” and with a fair amount of bias, raises the question: will the Russians, as promised, be able to put PAK DA into operation before 2027, which the authors of the publication call the “strategic invisible bomber” ? The conclusion is unequivocal - in no case! Skeptics from the Middle Kingdom substantiate their opinion with two points. Firstly, the fact that in our country “the production of the Tu-160M2 strategic bomber has resumed,” which the Chinese comrades are sure, completely deprives Russia of “the opportunity to launch other strategic plans for the development and research of bombers in the near future”. And here we come to the second, most important point ... Actually, counting money in someone else’s pocket (treasury, military budget) is a little respectable and ungrateful business. However, the Chinese are trying to do just that. They convince readers: Russia "lacks military funding and there is no opportunity to increase it." It’s a rather controversial statement, however, Sina categorically insists on it, while trying to operate with specific numbers: “the entire development”, as well as the construction of the Long-range Aviation Complex for Long-Range Aviation (just like that, we recall that PAK YES is actually deciphered), “Moscow only some 500 million rubles were released. ” Prudent Chinese recalculate this amount in dollars and get only 8 with a little million - ridiculous, in their opinion, amount that is completely insufficient for the implementation of projects of this magnitude. On this score, the authors go with all their heart and with maximum causticity.

"At such low costs," they argue, not only the development and testing of the bomber will be carried out "at an alarming pace", as they say, "with the aftertaste of a forced launch of the project," but also the "standards of research and testing" will be reduced to the limit. In a word - they rivet PAK YES on a tyap-yap yes "on a live thread" - and try to slip the State Commission, which it already is. Beauties ... In this case, a completely logical question arises: where did the inquiring minds of the Celestial Empire actually get the numbers voiced by them and how much do they correspond to reality? In fact, as far as I remember, Radio Sputnik at one time reported that only the development and “refinement” of a series of the first 12 catapults for PAK YES would cost the above half a billion rubles! In any open sources, it is not possible to find an estimate for this project, which is quite naturally hidden behind a cruel veil of secrecy. In the end, it remains to be wondered whether we have before us the realization of the saying: “I heard a ring, but I don’t know where it is” or a conscious attempt to mislead the reader. There is a strong suspicion that the latter, since the American "stealth bomber" B-2 Spirit cites Sina as a subject for comparison. That's where the heaps invested a whole bunch! True, the Chinese authors even make it seem somehow strange to fictitious, trying, as they admit, "to recalculate the purchasing power of research and development costs with current money," resulting in a staggering amount of 60 billion, which the United States seems to have cost the creation of two dozen "spirits" ... Well, what can I say?

Compare incomparable


The example chosen is extremely unsuccessful. B-2 Spirit, which really "flew a pretty penny" into the US state budget (well, maybe not at 3 billion apiece, but a couple of billions for sure), cannot be considered a success of the American military-industrial complex. We, in fact, have already written about this, so let me remind you briefly: according to the confessions of the highest-ranking Pentagon generals themselves, today American strategic bomber aircraft is in extremely poor condition. Among the B-1B Lancer, there are hardly five or six units that are capable of fighting, and all the same B-2 Spirits are forced to defend themselves in special hangars, the "filling" of which is slightly cheaper than the machines themselves. The vaunted “stealth-coating” under “adverse temperature and humidity conditions” comes off them like paint from a “Lada” passing through the “left” service station. In truth, there is enough direct exposure to ordinary sunlight. No wonder the Pentagon is already working hard to create the next "invisibility" - B-21 Raider. Without stinting at the same time, of course ... In reality, the US Air Force remains the "old men" of the B-52, some of whom are predicting a life expectancy of a full hundred years, as the only, practically, strategic vehicle of bomber aircraft of strategic level. All this to the fact that the fantastic amounts invested overseas in various military developments do not guarantee their success at all. The sky-high price has not yet made any plane, tank or warship automatically the best. There is no evidence for this simple postulate, yes, you see, it doesn’t reach everyone. If we follow the logic of the authors of Sina, then Russia should not have any “Daggers”, “Zircons”, “Vanguards” and “Poseidons” in any case - with its somewhat “meager” military budget. Unless the Americans - with their huge investments in the "defense industry".

And what in reality ?! However, about the "hypersound" the Chinese comrades also have their own, separate opinion. It turns out that the Celestial Empire on this critically important for ensuring undeniable strategic superiority, has long "put in the belt" not only the United States, but also Russia! In any case, this is what the military expert Lei Jie, who often appears in various Chinese media, is taken to assert. At the same time, he is trying to prove that “Moscow began work on this topic back in the days of the USSR” and all the current successes of Russian scientists are just the merciless exploitation of the “Soviet backlog”. Wise Chinese comrades were able to achieve “huge successes” in the issue of “hypersound”, while having “the worst technological reserves” and only since 2014. The allegations are not only controversial, but completely unacceptable - both regarding “weak technological capabilities” (they like to be pissed off in the Middle Kingdom) and about the fact that they started developing hypersonic weapons 6 years ago. As far as we know, by that time Beijing was already testing the first prototypes with might and main. Another question is how successful. So far, all the talk about the same DF-ZF hypersonic module comes down mainly to showing layouts and models and general phrases about the next “successful testing”. Nevertheless, Comrade Jie is already confident in the indisputable primacy of his country in this direction. On the other hand, this is nothing - in comparison with the conclusions that are made on the Chinese Internet resource NetEase. The author of the publication that appeared there, again, recently, in general, paints a completely apocalyptic picture of the total "death of Russian weapons."

And the casket just opened ...


Moreover, if you read the article, it becomes clear: the one who wrote all this, or an alien from the past, or a scammer! After all, speaking of today, he operates on the realities of 25 years ago! Well, how is it that the author claims the “destructive tendency that is observed in the field of Russian weapons and military equipment”: aircraft carriers and submarines are “on fire”, “planes are falling,” (presumably at least a dozen a day). And in general, today there is a “patching of all new holes in the hulls of military equipment produced back in Soviet times” ... And all because “the military factories were stolen during the privatization process,” and with scientific personnel, they’re terrible things ”, the workers“ speculate with factory equipment ”, and the military - with ammunition ... Stop, stop, stop! Under the guise of a story about today, they are trying to “vparit” the most natural picture of the times of Yeltsin and the company! No, that’s impossible ... There’s even nothing to discuss with anything and no one to do — all that remains is to return to the question: to whom and why such a completely obvious denigration and manipulation of facts may be needed? There are hardly any unbelievable reasons to search here. True motives are so simple that they literally lie on the surface. First of all, this desire to distract attention from the problems of its own military-industrial complex, in which things are far from being as brilliant as Beijing wants it to be. Take at least the same aircraft construction. As it turned out recently, with the previously planned massive release of the latest Chinese "invisible fighter" J-20, there were quite serious problems. The task set by the party and the government to transfer 50 such vehicles to the PLA by the end of 2019 was not completed.

The problem is that the development of high-thrust WS-15 turbojet engines by Chinese engineers is hopelessly behind schedule. So far, as far as is known, the J-20s already in service use either Chinese WS-10B engines or Russian AL-31FM2 / 3s. However, they do not give the results that were originally announced when it was created. Others still exist only in the project. The issue of establishing a mass production of J-20 for Beijing is critical - after all, according to military analysts, until 2025 the Asia-Pacific region will be saturated with at least two hundred American F-35s that are armed with the United States and its allies. However, an attempt, nodding to the fictitious “failures of Russia with PAK DA” to obscure their own aircraft misses, is not the main thing. It is very likely that Beijing is going to seriously compete with our country in international arms markets. Yes, actually, he is already doing this, and very intensively. There, even in Belarus, Chinese craftsmen were able to “move” us a little. The problem is that the main potential buyers for the products of both the Russian and Chinese defense industry are the same. These are countries that for a long time exploited, as a rule, weapons and Soviet-style equipment developed and manufactured in the USSR. States for which the purchase of weapons made in the United States is problematic is either too expensive or simply will not be sold ... For the most part, we are talking about not so small markets in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia. There is something to fight for, and the Chinese comrades are doing it in their usual manner - assertively and aggressively, using all the levers and means to "drown" competitors. "

It is unlikely that it will be possible to present Beijing with a formal claim in this case. After all, publications are not in state publications (which by no means makes them less harmful), and it is unlikely that the Kremlin will want to spoil relations on such a not very significant occasion. However, it is necessary to definitely pay attention to emerging bad trends. Well, and of course, respond to them accordingly, at least, also at the non-state level.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 January 2020 09: 14
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    That is, the author believes that Russia, Rogozin and Serdyukov will launch PAK DA in operation until 2027 ??? Already 2020 in the yard ....

    If not, then the Chinese are right.
    1. Aleksey Glotov Offline
      Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 27 January 2020 10: 38
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      Not a fact.
      Serdyukov has nothing to do with PAK YES.
    2. mark1 Offline
      mark1 27 January 2020 11: 08
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      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      If not, then the Chinese are right.

      And if so, then they are, as it were, wrong. Right? That's the whole chamomile ... But we have a “safety net” - Tu-160M, but the Chinese do not, and the 5th generation aircraft are only formal for the Chinese, and in fact - imperfections without engines with unconfirmed characteristics (bullshit).
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 January 2020 20: 38
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        Well, first of all, Serdyukov is very related to both Moscow Region and Aviation, even if PAK YES doesn’t specifically lead, but all kinds of parts, coatings, mechanisms and the price for them are his and his pocket ...

        And secondly, the Chinese have not yet Tu-160, because they didn’t really need him, his enemies were close by until recently ...

        ... 5th generation aircraft among the Chinese only formally ..

        - so we have formally ... and the Chinese are quick to complete and build ...
        We started later, and now they have 30 planes under them, they study on them, plus - they wrote - a light stealth fighter has already flown, that is, soon there will be 2 models of the 5th generation ...

        At VO it is regularly sucked up, and more positively ...
  2. Tektor Offline
    Tektor (Tektor) 27 January 2020 10: 59
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    The Chinese confused Russia with Euroina.
  3. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 27 January 2020 11: 03
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    Over the past 20 years, the plan has never been exceeded. Of course, it’s being built, it flies, but everything new did not start on time.

    Not to fat, to be alive.

    With such a government and president, who are all worried that pensioners will live richly. What is being done is good.
  4. Fourth Horseman Offline
    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 27 January 2020 16: 25
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    Sina is the Chinese counterpart to Yandex Zen. Whatever comes into your head, they’ll write.
  5. sgrabik Offline
    sgrabik (Sergei) 27 January 2020 16: 40
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    And since when did the Chinese become great world experts in the creation of the latest high-tech weapons, all that they have in service are not the most successful copies of American and Soviet military equipment with minor modifications and alterations, the aircraft are practically all copied, the engines are like them they knew how to do, they don’t know how, and small arms copied from ours and produced in China in huge quantities do not stand up to criticism in quality. To be more concise, it is not for the Chinese to judge our new types of military equipment and its capabilities, much less for them to teach us, let them first learn a lot more themselves !!!
  6. Upmost Offline
    Upmost (Innocent) 27 January 2020 16: 55
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    All are correctly spoken and written by the Chinese.
    And the reason is that not one of the projects infallible by the Infallible (Armata, Barguzin, PAK DA, PAK FA, Leader, Storm, Sarmat, and others on the list) have not become real (what already - massive) weapons.

    Unlike the same in China.

    The truth cannot be undone, and you will not forbid, no matter how hard you try.
    1. sgrabik Offline
      sgrabik (Sergei) 27 January 2020 17: 06
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      Yes, stop what truth, truth in Chinese, or maybe truth in American, we now live in a time when truth has become a relative concept.
      1. Upmost Offline
        Upmost (Innocent) 27 January 2020 17: 18
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        See what’s the matter.

        If all the “scarecrows” of the Infallible were mass weapons, then, for example, I would simply not be able to say the opposite. Who like, but I can’t say white on red.
        But the fact remains - all the “scarecrows” are single samples that have nothing to do with reality.
        As an example, periodical, but now very limited, boasting continues around the T-14.
        And the military both received the T-72 and T-90, albeit modernized, continue to receive it.

        Something like that.
        1. sgrabik Offline
          sgrabik (Sergei) 27 January 2020 18: 41
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          About a hundred T-14 tanks are in trial operation and are being tested by the troops in order to begin mass production. It is necessary to identify and eliminate all the "childhood diseases" of the new armored platform and prepare the production base. On the old conveyors where the T-72 and T-90 are manufactured, this is impossible, for the rest of the types and types, the situation is about the same, not everything turns out as fast as they hear about it in the media.
        2. maidan.izrailovich (Maidan Izrailovich) 28 January 2020 07: 42
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          And the military both received the T-72 and T-90, albeit modernized, continue to receive it.
          Something like that.

          Which of the NATO countries (our potential adversary) after the collapse of the USSR adopted the new MBT? Not a single one. All are upgrading old models.
          So Russia, at least, is not lagging behind.
          Since 2019, mass production of the T-14 has begun. And in 2020, the first production vehicles will enter the troops. The same goes for the Su-57 and Sarmat. Therefore, there is no need to replicate the liberal stink.
  7. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 27 January 2020 17: 04
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    And whose is this "weapon" in the picture flies?
    1. Upmost Offline
      Upmost (Innocent) 27 January 2020 17: 08
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      Well, how “whose” is one of the many “picture scarecrows” from the Infallible.
      In this case, PAK YES. In the picture - the plane, but in reality - the crap.
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 27 January 2020 17: 11
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        Upmost
        I think, before reality, there, "as before China in flippers."
  8. Upmost Offline
    Upmost (Innocent) 27 January 2020 17: 13
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    If we follow the logic of the authors of Sina, then Russia should not have any “Daggers”, “Zircons”, “Vanguards” and “Poseidons” in any case

    The presence of some models and unverified samples is not a confirmation of the steepness.
    Where were these samples used? How is their steepness confirmed?
    They hitched something under the belly of the Mig-31, in another case, they started some tin can, etc., and they try to scare the adversary with it.
    It’s ridiculous. The adversary has real and numerous power, and I'm not only about nuclear weapons.
    In Russia, in addition to nuclear weapons, there is simply nothing to scare the adversary.
  9. master3 Offline
    master3 (Vitali) 27 January 2020 17: 24
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    The conclusion is unequivocal - in no case.

    - and the Chinese are right! PAK-FA how many years already do? Work on the project began in 2001-2002, i.e. almost 20 years, and ???
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      YUG64 (Yuri) 27 January 2020 18: 31
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      F-35 began in 1995. That is, the timing is about the same. But financing is simply incomparable, and this is important.
    2. maidan.izrailovich (Maidan Izrailovich) 28 January 2020 07: 59
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      - and the Chinese are right! PAK-FA how many years already do? Work on the project began in 2001-2002, i.e. almost 20 years, and ???

      Liberal skunks can only stink. crying
      The United States began developing the F-35 in 1995. And according to their own American recognition, they could only begin this thanks to the technologies received from the Yakovlev Design Bureau. The alcoholic Yeltsin presented domestic developments to the Americans.
      And so, The first F-35 entered service in 2015. Here they are, the notorious 20 years. And this with all the American economic power and with the help of Russian liberal traitors.
      So, the Su-57 is ahead of the US schedule. And this year the first production will go to the troops.
      But you write your liberal ravings. Have a good laugh. lol
  10. Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 27 January 2020 17: 42
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    All that the Celestial Empire produces with its Voenprom is all they copied from us, from the USA, from the French and Japanese, but the thing is that water is also liquid, like gasoline, but no car will go on it, and just like that but with their plagiarized technique, brains are needed here, and what kind of brains are needed, otherwise they will come out of the “Mercedes” only “Cossacks” .... Remember how in the days of the alcoholic Yeltsin great scientists, with huge degrees, left for America, Germany, China to earn money, and now the Chinese have understood how to eliminate their competitors, whom oil, whom moyami, as do the United States, but they still have not plucked up the nerve to, and that they have yet to come - friends of friends, and profit - first and foremost.
  11. Eduard Aplombov Offline
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 27 January 2020 18: 00
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    It is enough to ask the narrow-eyed in what kind of military operations their equipment worked so that there are no questions for them, all potential buyers are sure of their effectiveness if kneading starts, and thrashing with their tongues is not a mess.
    1. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 27 January 2020 18: 28
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      The most interesting thing that our PAK YES criticizes is the state whose most formidable "strategic" bomber is the modified licensed Tu-16. There are no others, from the word "completely."
      Instead of any discussion, they should put it under their breath and offer "shut up and go", as the current Minister of Education of Great (for now) Britain said.
  12. NP627 Offline
    NP627 (Nikolai Gaidukov) 27 January 2020 18: 30
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    Dear author Neukropny Alexander, of course, you can discuss anything. But specific links are desirable (even to Chinese materials, because Google can translate everything). Read, weigh and discuss.
  13. Upmost Offline
    Upmost (Innocent) 27 January 2020 23: 08
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    Quote: boriz
    put it under their nose and offer "shut up and go"

    But this option was initially proposed for the Russian Federation. And what, she (Russia) followed the precept?
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    Upmost (Innocent) 27 January 2020 23: 12
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    Quote: boriz
    Minister Education Great (bye) Britain

    Minister DEFENSE, if anything.

    And where a country on a map / globe, do not tell? Probably on the cards of super-patriots of the Russian Federation?
    1. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 28 January 2020 00: 33
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      You are behind events. He is now the Minister of Education.
      1. Upmost Offline
        Upmost (Innocent) 28 January 2020 16: 50
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        Lagged behind I do not follow his career advancement (it is violet to me), but at the time of the utterance of this phrase he was Minister of Defense. The Minister of Education is unlikely to go into such matters.
        1. boriz Online
          boriz (boriz) 28 January 2020 17: 23
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          It just seemed to everyone (including the WB, where he was rinsed pretty well for this phrase) that the author of this statement was appointed to education. Therefore, the appointment was exaggerated for some time in the media and I noticed it. And in the commentary noted: CURRENT Minister of Education.
  15. DPN Offline
    DPN (DPN) 28 January 2020 22: 26
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    If they manage to create their own engine, then they will run far ahead. It’s enough to look at their auto industry in quality, I don’t know, but the cars are more beautiful than ours. Yes, many here sitting buy Chinese through the Internet, it says the same thing.