After Putin's message, Ukraine stiffened for a reason


Still, Ukraine is a completely phenomenal country. Well, that’s the way to stay within the framework of censorship vocabulary. For the third day there is the most lively discussion of the message of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin to the Russian Federal Assembly. And this despite the fact that, according to the local "patriots" completely discouraged by this fact, the "unfathomable" is not mentioned in it by a single word!


You can, of course, on this occasion indulge in reflections about the obvious secondary nature of the Ukrainian "state", as well as the painful dependence of its politicians and other public figures from that same “eastern neighbor” whom they hate so much with every fiber of their soul ... However, the obvious should be admitted: Kiev really has something to worry about after what happened in Moscow on January 15. Let's try to figure out why.

Heavy chains will fall ...


The main point about which, in fact, the ex-president of the "non-profit" Petro Poroshenko, and his party colleague, a big lover of Dutch "grass" and provocative demarches in various instances of the European Union, People's Deputy Viktor Aryev, is not even theirs fear of having Vladimir Vladimirovich as his opponent in an indefinitely long term. No, much more these figures are frightened by something else - Putin's intention to finally get rid of the most grave and shameful "shackles" that the West once imposed on Russia. It is about the supremacy of the so-called "international law" over domestic laws. And the point here, of course, is not at all whether or not politically motivated decisions of the same ECHR will be obediently implemented in our country. The point is in principle. The President believes (and there is no doubt about this issue that he will receive the broadest nationwide support!) In at least 9 cases out of 10, they directly run counter to the national interests of Russia, for her it is not a decree. In fact, this intention alone contains the whole meaning of the country's future course - both in foreign and domestic policy. In fact, Putin acknowledged a huge mistake, which was all his efforts to "get along" with the West, while following the path of concessions and agreements that were unfavorable to us. He tried honestly, tried his best. He persuaded, warned, reasoned ... But he was not heard - not in Munich in 2007, when the Russian leader first tried to reach out to the “civilized”, or later.

Now, if you please, get Russia, which, in fact, passes into the regime of a besieged fortress ready for battle. The Kremlin finally rejected what at times held him back in making fateful decisions. There is no doubt - if it had happened in 2013, and the “Russian Spring” would not have been locked within the Crimea and Donbass. There would be no civil war tormenting Ukraine, no revival of neo-Nazism in it, there would not be thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of warped destinies. Equally, there would be no mass of problems that today constitute a very real headache for our country. It is a clear understanding of this fact that scares in Kiev all those who came to power and hold on to the squalid political "Olympus" solely because at the time, someone did not want to aggravate relations with the "world community". Which, incidentally, did not appreciate this gesture of goodwill, but perceived it solely as Russia's weakness and as an excuse for exerting infinite pressure on it. Now this has ended. Some in Ukraine, and not only there, have already hurried to call the program set forth by Vladimir Putin “the beginning of preparations for a big war”. Like, now Moscow, not wanting to observe even the appearance of “decency”, ka-a-ak will pounce on all neighboring countries! But how it will start to “capture” everyone for no reason ... About this, for example, a certain Yuri Shulipa (already the whole director of the Institute of National Policy) is broadcasting in the media "not up and down". He is convinced: "the leadership of Ukraine" should "worry about maintaining the territorial integrity of their country." He also gives similar recommendations to Belarus, Poland and the Baltic countries.

Now everything will be serious


Our ancestors characterized this “peculiar” perception of reality with the saying: “I heard a ringing, but don’t know where it is.” Of course, Russia is not going to attack anyone. However, to demolish stoically spitting and blows - even more so. We are not going to start a war, but we make it clear to the whole world that we are ready for it. The same Shulipa paints an apocalyptic picture: with his message, the Russian leader “seems to be completing the construction of the bipolar world”, finally destroying the picture that is familiar and sweet to people like him. From now on, humanity is "divided into two camps." In one, it’s understandable, “a shining city on a hill”, the great and infallible United States in the company of a “civilized world community”, and in the other, ominous and dark, “Putin with dictators-rogue third gas-banana quasi-republics.” Sorry, the quote is verbatim ... The fact that a good half of the "world community", most of all, the majority of the countries of the European Union have been sick of Washington’s tricks for a long time, and China, which is an undoubted ally of Russia, somehow weakly draws on the status of something there ”, The Ukrainian whit absolutely does not care. As, however, and setting the tone for all the hysteria around the presidential message of Petro Poroshenko. All that his brain, which was cruelly exhausted by no means narzan, was caught in watch speech, is that “Putin is not going to stop the war with Ukraine” (and he already started it ?!), and that Vladimir Vladimirovich “is going to stay forever” . Clearly, this condition is called "toad crushes." Such a clear manifestation of black jealousy on the part of the “leader of the nation”, who forcibly spent the rest of his life and lost the election to the clown, looks especially disgusting.

Other attempts at conspiracy theories to "read" the presidential speech in Ukrainian sound even more ridiculous. What is even the Aryev version of the fact that future changes in our Constitution will be aimed at "creating opportunities for further accession of territories", at least even more glaring nonsense from Roman Tsimbalyuk. This time, the brightest representative of surrealistic post-Maidan journalism made a stunning conclusion: it turns out that, calling for an increase in the birth rate in Russia, Vladimir Putin means "millions of new soldiers for the empire." And also, he dreams of capturing the “non-fallow”, as a “donor country of the human resource” for future “predatory wars”. This is not even science fiction, but pure psychiatry. The only relatively common thought in the outflows of Tsimbalyuk can be considered the recognition of the fact that many of his compatriots were forced to “flee to Russia from the war in the Donbass”. However, the enchanting semantic twists and turns of the propagators of the “uncool”, desperately trying to find in the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich what is not there and close, you can even understand. For ordinary, normal, and sane Ukrainians, Putin’s message is more than informative. They announced in it the sums of payments for the birth of children, fixing in the Constitution of Russia the minimum wage, the actual indexation of pensions and social benefits, as well as the like, related to the social sphere that is close and understandable to everyone, they can only envy today. Or, even worse - to compare with the situation that they have in their own country and draw appropriate, well-defined conclusions.

The Ukrainian political "party" cannot but strain the course announced on January 15 to rally and strengthen Russia, its refusal to play according to alien, imposed rules. You don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to understand: from now on, any attempts by Kiev to turn the implementation of the “Minsk Agreements” into surrendering the Donbass and its “de-occupation” according to the bloody script written in Kiev and approved in Washington will turn out to be consequences for the leadership “not fallow” unpleasant, but I’m not afraid of the word, fatal. There is nothing to talk about even more extreme options, such as the "Kerch provocation" or military escalation in the East. Something tells us that the reaction will be lightning fast and crushing. Now - without looking at anyone. However, this is not all. Putin’s words about the inadmissibility of attempts to revise the results and the essence of the Great Patriotic War have a direct relation to Kiev, which played in neo-Bandera politics. Not only to him alone, of course, but the UN resolution on the inadmissibility of the glorification of Nazism was not just as well adopted ... Moreover, without this there were more than real and significant reasons to finally put in place the presumptuous and felt unpunished behind a broad American back, the Maidan political punks, if desired, Moscow can find more than enough. This is the ongoing harassment of the Russian-speaking population, and endless provocations of various kinds, and direct insulting demarches against Russia, which official representatives of Ukraine of all levels regularly allow themselves. Something tells: now all this can be very expensive.

What happens to the extreme resembles a situation when in a certain conditional boxing ring one of the fighters, who had previously been entangled in arms and legs, suddenly restrains his bonds. And his adversary, up to this point enjoying his own “advantage”, is horrified to realize that now there may not even be a wet spot left from him. Another “lamp of Ukrainian political thought” Vitaly Portnikov, for this reason, so exclaims: “The Ukrainian state can simply cease to exist!” Deep thought. And very timely. It’s just that neither running away from the ring, nor even throwing a towel at him as a sign of surrender, will most likely fail.
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  1. 69 Offline
    69 17 January 2020 09: 31
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    It's time to let her go free swimming in what the mother gave birth.
  2. Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 17 January 2020 09: 47
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    If Ukraine was alarmed that they had forgotten about it, then this is the best advice to stop talking about Ukraine "from every iron" in Russia and stop showing Ukrainian provocateurs on Russian TV. Moreover, the inviting Russian side cannot always give a worthy and professional answer to all the fabrications of the invited Ukrainian nationalists. And the best answer to the closure of Russian-language schools in Ukraine may be the appearance on the Internet of Russian language and literature lessons for the peoples of the former Soviet republics. Whoever wants to can join the Russian language and Russian culture using modern methods. By the way, such lessons will help both remote settlements and in Russia itself.
    1. Afinogen Offline
      Afinogen (Afinogen) 17 January 2020 10: 09
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      advice to stop talking about Ukraine "from every iron"

      I once asked one person from television, why are you spinning one Ukraine on all channels, what, are there no other topics? To which he said - this is an order from the government to show Ukraine and how everything is bad there after the Maidan. I ask, why? Well, as he says, why, everything is clear, our people will watch and see that there is no need to protest, we must hold on, although there is no money. Over in Ukraine, they raised a riot in poverty.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 17 January 2020 14: 06
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        Well, and even if so, the fact remains - the Ukrainians after the Maidan in full "z ..".
      2. Alexander Rom Offline
        Alexander Rom (Alexander Rom) 18 January 2020 23: 41
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        Something seems to me that you composed it. And not even right now ... and not even you.
        1. Afinogen Offline
          Afinogen (Afinogen) 19 January 2020 08: 50
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          Usually, when something seems, they begin to be baptized.
      3. businessv Offline
        businessv (Vadim) 23 January 2020 09: 09
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        Quote: Athenogen
        Well, as he says, why, everything is clear, our people will watch and see that there is no need to protest, we must hold on, although there is no money. Over Ukraine riot and in poverty

        The explanation, frankly, is wretched! The riot was raised by mattresses, with the hands of chocolate makers, shopkeepers and other evil spirits controlled by them, who had been waiting for this moment all the post-war time and preparing for this ahead of time, taking, if possible, all the posts and places that were possible. As a result, the Galician Natsik group, which hates everyone who does not share their opinion, rules today, which is independent today, and they will destroy everyone who does not agree with them, the experience is huge, the legacy of the SS Galichin division and its values ​​in action!
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 32
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      Quote: Bulanov
      Moreover, the inviting Russian side cannot always give a worthy and professional answer to all the fabrications of the invited Ukrainian nationalists.

      Questions and answers on Russian TV are written by professional screenwriters.
      Yes, and on American TV, the interviewee is given questions, they get answers, they correct, if the author does not agree, they exclude the question. Show it is a show.
    3. businessv Offline
      businessv (Vadim) 18 January 2020 12: 37
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      Quote: Bulanov
      And the best answer to the closure of Russian-language schools in Ukraine may be the appearance on the Internet of Russian language and literature lessons for the peoples of the former republics of the USSR

      I fully support! And it would also be nice to return the normal system of education, which gives knowledge in its purest form, without training, "how to correctly guess on the coffee grounds, passing the exam," thereby cutting off those who parasitize our children from the cash receipts!
  3. Termit1309 Offline
    Termit1309 (Alexander) 17 January 2020 10: 12
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    And the best answer to the closure of Russian-language schools in Ukraine may be the appearance on the Internet of Russian language and literature lessons for the peoples of the former republics of the USSR
    Maybe someday this will happen. good
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 34
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      Quote: Termit1309
      Maybe someday this will happen.

      There is one. Distance learning. Thousands of Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian schoolchildren are educated in Moscow schools. On the internet online.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 17 January 2020 10: 27
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    Quote: Athenogen
    Well, as he says, why, everything is clear, our people will watch and see that there is no need to protest, we must hold on, although there is no money. Over in Ukraine, they raised a riot in poverty.

    This is clear. Do you want to like in Ukraine?
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 14: 06
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      I want in Paris. wink
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 36
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        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        I want in Paris

        Arabs with bottles of gas burning indigenous French property?
      2. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 17 January 2020 19: 18
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        I want in Paris.

        Somewhere I already heard it recourse

        1. commbatant Offline
          commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 09: 59
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          Quote: 123
          I want in Paris.

          Somewhere I already heard it recourse


          New trends ....

          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 18 January 2020 10: 02
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            commbatant
            This is the second stage. laughing
            1. Akuzenka Offline
              Akuzenka (Alexander) 22 January 2020 10: 23
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              I read about this actress, worked in some third-rate theater .... in Moscow. In the EU, without panties, no one needed it.
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) 22 January 2020 10: 31
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                I read about this actress, worked in some third-rate theater .... in Moscow. In the EU, without panties, no one needed it.

                Hopefully in a warm padded jacket? laughing But seriously ... Anyway, I settled in and good. Good luck to her. I hope I got smarter. It’s just a vivid characteristic example of naivety and high expectations of a “miracle”.
  5. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 17 January 2020 10: 30
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    Dill Ukraine will not leave alone.

    And the point here, of course, is not at all whether politically motivated decisions of the same ECHR will obediently be implemented in our country.

    - Maybe, most of all, the Russians still need to "strain"?
  6. Valentine Online
    Valentine (Valentin) 17 January 2020 11: 17
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    We again have everything as always - muddy, slippery and incomprehensible - where now our mother Russia will turn shabby, which way we will go ... We were an agricultural country, military communism passed, gathered in socialism - we were not allowed to finish it to the end business, and under wild capitalism, our people have what they have, i.e. nothing, but, apparently, it still dawned on our political leadership that you can’t make jokes with the people, and the “Russian revolt” is not French fellow warriors in yellow vests on the streets of Paris, but much worse ... But Ukraine is now in deep musing, apparently, it dawned that the path to cave nationalism with its few, but powerfully gathered into the fist adherents of monoethnism, was not very suitable for her, and there were other ways to build their own state, but the steering wheel was “beside the sky” with opaque personalities who embodied the whole scene "95 quarters" to life, but on more, they have neither effort nor brains, and the country is becoming more and more desolate.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 17 January 2020 14: 11
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      What other "operetnye personality" ?? The country is under the external control of rather specific "star-striped" personalities.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 38
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        Error. Americans believe that they are under the control of a tricolor (KGB, bottom to top) personality.
  7. Oleg Rambover Offline
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 14: 20
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    Now, if you please, get Russia, which, in fact, passes into the regime of a besieged fortress ready for battle.

    Before that, there were two fortresses in the world, Iran and North Korea. Yes, we will have worthy neighbors.
    We can say with confidence that China is weakly pulling on an ally.
    PS I already feel sorry for Comrade Neukropny, he has so much genuine, directly childish delight from the speech of his idol. What a cruel disappointment.
    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 17 January 2020 16: 01
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      Now, if you please, get Russia, which, in fact, passes into the regime of a besieged fortress ready for battle.

      - If you fence the whole world with barbed wire, who will be free?
      1. S.V.YU Offline
        S.V.YU 17 January 2020 16: 45
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        On whose mill do you pour water, Arkharov?
        1. Arkharov Offline
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 17 January 2020 17: 12
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          Certainly not at a mill like you. And what, something did not like?
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            1. 321 Offline
              321 (321) 18 January 2020 11: 28
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              Well, he doesn’t know how else, no matter how he puffs and tries, he doesn’t succeed. bully
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          commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 10: 03
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          Quote: S.V.Yu
          On whose mill do you pour water, Arkharov?

          Israeli Jews and American Empireism ...
      2. Valentine Online
        Valentine (Valentin) 17 January 2020 17: 03
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        Well, we’ll also convince the new “iron curtain” so that people of the third and fourth sex don’t get to us .... But don’t worry about Russia, we have been living in the besieged fortress since the time of the Tatar-Mongols, and nothing survived, and we will live.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 20: 46
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          How would I live here too. My parents and my son also live here. Maybe you want to live like under the Tatar-Mongols, but I doubt that there are many. And the main purpose of the "Iron Curtain" was not to climb outside, but to not scatter from the Union.
          1. Valentine Online
            Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 05: 57
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            Well, yes, yes, but what is happening in our country is a home invention? It was the Communists who came up with this wild capitalism, which lowered the people to the very bottom of its existence? And why do you not scatter from such a life in Europe, but spoil the air here, and do not give people a normal life? So bring it down with all your families, and here we can somehow manage it ourselves, not the first time.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 18 January 2020 08: 51
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              The Russians have never lived so well in history as they are now. Well, maybe a little better until the age of 14. So bring it down to your North Korea.
              1. Valentine Online
                Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 10: 05
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                Well, well, you, like, Naina Yeltsin, for whom during her husband’s reign is an alcoholic, our people, it turns out, lived in “bright times”, and did not die of hunger, lack of money and hopelessness, when it left untimely in another world 17 million Russian people - and these are happy days for her .... Or maybe you live behind the Kremlin wall?
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 18 January 2020 23: 45
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                  You yourself Naina Yeltsin, living in the nineties. You do not know, since then 20 years have passed?
                  1. Valentine Online
                    Valentine (Valentin) 19 January 2020 07: 14
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                    And what, something has changed during this time? Nothing, maybe it will just happen now, after the dispersal of the DAM government, and the life of the people will change for the better.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 January 2020 18: 08
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                      The income of the Russians.
                      Why such optimism?
                      The government has not changed much, and it is generally naive to believe that the government determines the direction of economic development.
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              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 09: 22
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              Valentine
              Yes, there is no capitalism here.
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                Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 09: 59
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                There is, Grisha, there is, but only the wildest, and the "little brothers" remained the same, in the person of Chubais and Kudrins, crooks, thieves and lawlessnesses.
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                  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 12: 19
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                  Valentine
                  Chubais 20 years in power? !!
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                    Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 14: 00
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                    You, Grisha, were a little mistaken, he’s been in power for more than 30 years, and he started with Gaidar in 1986, when even under Gorbachev they tried to change the Soviet socialist system to a radically capitalist one, remember his “500 days” in 1990, and now then it went and went, carried the country along the gully-river-crayfish of the All-Union privatization, and sawed up the entire national treasure by a scanty bunch of people close to the wino Yeltsin.
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                      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 14: 06
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                      Valentine
                      And under what special power is Chubais now? And what did he particularly gain? You, at one time threw a "bone for gnawing," so fortunately that you can not at least a little analyze what is happening and understand this. Chubais, in comparison, of course, is simply the “Lamb of God”, a model of non-possessiveness and deep patriotism.
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            commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 10: 07
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            How would I live here too. My parents and my son also live here. The main purpose of the Iron Curtain was not to get outside but to not run away from the Union.

            The USSR has not been around for 30 years, and Russian liberoids are scratching their tongues all the way they wave like a broom ...
            Well, now nobody is holding you here, so you and your family can exercise your right to move freely and get out of here, preferably one way ....
            1. Arkharov Offline
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 12: 25
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              commbatant
              Well, if you are sending us like that, with your “friends of reason”, from Russia, why don’t you dump yourself into any of your dearly beloved “national replicas”, to “peacefully plowing tractor drivers driven to despair”? Or maybe better in the mythical "People's Republic of China"? There, maybe you will live "humanly", no "liberals" will disturb you.
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                commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 13: 07
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                Quote: Arkharov
                commbatant Well, if you do so, with your "friends of reason" from Russia send

                I recognize, I recognize my "friend" comrade Arkharova ....
                I personally do not send anyone anywhere, you, apparently, have read my text incorrectly, as always, I explain it twice, the first time, the second time for dumb people, so I explain it to you a second time:

                you and your family can exercise your right to free movement and get out of here

                I just offered to use my companion with my constitutional rights:

                1. Everyone who is lawfully in the territory of the Russian Federation has the right to freely move around, choose the place of residence and residence.
                2. Everyone is free to travel outside the Russian Federation. A citizen of the Russian Federation has the right to freely return to the Russian Federation.
                Source: http://constrf.ru/razdel-1/glava-2/st-27-krf

                Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
                So simply, by his kindness, he told your colleague that he has rights .... liberoids never remember responsibilities and are very nervous when they are reminded of them, but oh well ...
                ....You. Comrade Arkharov, once again take my kindness and my good promises in an evil way, however, this is not surprising ....

                why don’t you blame yourself for one of your beloved “national replicas”, for “peacefully plowing tractor drivers driven to despair”? Or maybe better in the mythical "People's Republic of China"?

                What for? I was born in Russia, it came in handy here, I did not storm Sheremetyev’s gates in the 80s and 90s in order to fly to Israel and Germany in a difficult year for my country, remembering my identity and belonging to the Jewish and German people ...
                As for my beloved LNR and DNR, maybe I’ll go there someday, as a tourist, I was in Crimea in 2018, there will be time - and I’ll go there, it depends on the amount of work ....
                These republics are not hostile to the Russian Federation, unlike Ukraine ....
                To create the People's Republic of China, People’s People’s Republic, People’s Republic of China, etc. until I see the prerequisites, let the local population be independent on the budget, in the end, it all depends on the actions of the latter ....

                There, maybe you will live "humanly", no "liberals" will disturb you.

                As far as liberoids are concerned, they do not critically bother me yet, well, and if they bother me, then of course, I will not use Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I will use Section 2 of Article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I can use a file in dashing years sharpened electrodes or a hunting carbine .... in short, if your liberoids want to attack me, I will try so that they can never use the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
                Do not cough ....
                1. Arkharov Offline
                  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 13: 54
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                  As for liberoids, they do not bother me critically yet, but if they bother me, then of course, I will not use Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I will use Section 2 of Article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in more years you can use a file electrodes or a hunting carbine .... in short, if your liberoids want to attack me, I will try so that they can never use the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...

                  If we take paragraph 2 of Article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in principle, a wonderful paragraph of a wonderful article:

                  paragraph 2. Everyone has the right to protect their rights and freedoms by all means not prohibited by law.

                  That is, I understood you correctly that if those citizens of the Russian Federation whom you, at your discretion, classify as “liberoids,” at some point, as you wrote above, they will “bother” you personally, then you will resort to the next, according to your statement, “method not prohibited by law,” namely, the killing of representatives of the “liberoids” social group with the help of cold steel made by you in advance, with a similar purpose, in a makeshift way.
                  I do not know what about article 45 of the Constitution, but article 119, and in the case of the implementation of 105 and part 4 of art. 223 of the Criminal Code you have collected. Although, if you look closely, maybe at the moment they have written 280 too?
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                    commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 14: 26
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                    Quote: Arkharov
                    If we take clause 2 of article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in principle wonderful point wonderful article:
                    paragraph 2. Everyone has the right to protect their rights and freedoms by all means not prohibited by law.



                    That is, I understood you correctly that if those citizens of the Russian Federation whom you, at your discretion, classify as “liberoids,” at some point, as you wrote above, they will “bother” you personally, then you will resort to the next, according to your statement, “method not prohibited by law”, namely, to kill representatives of the “liberoids” social group with the help of cold steel made by you in advance, with a similar purpose, in a makeshift way.
                    I do not know what about article 45 of the Constitution, but article 119, and in the case of the implementation of 105 and part 4 of art. 223 of the Criminal Code you have collected. Although, if you look closely, then maybe at the moment they have written for 280 as well?

                    All that ... you wrote here, only confirms what I wrote earlier:

                    you, apparently, read my text incorrectly, as always, I explain it twice, the first time, the second time for dumb people, so, I explain to you a second time:

                    Before you write nonsense, you need, my young foe, to understand what weapons, extremism, a social group, the threat of murder are ....
                    In my commentary, I only wrote that I had the right to self-defense, whether it be liberoids attacking me or Israeli Jews, and I have a hunting rifle legally ..., they taught me to make weapons from improvised items in the RA ...
                    1. Arkharov Offline
                      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 16: 11
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                      commbatant
                      No need to justify now, it's too late. It was necessary to think what to write.
                  2. 321 Offline
                    321 (321) 18 January 2020 17: 09
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                    Quote: Arkharov
                    .That is, I understood you correctly[u] [/ u] that if those citizens of the Russian Federation whom you, at your own discretion, classify as “liberoids”, at some point, as you wrote above, they will “bother” you personally, then you will resort to the following, according to your statement, “a method not prohibited by law,” namely, to kill representatives of the “liberoids” social group with the help of cold steel made by you in advance, with a similar purpose, in a makeshift way.
                    I do not know what about article 45 of the Constitution, but article 119, and in the case of the implementation of 105 and part 4 of art. 223 of the Criminal Code you have collected. Although, if you look closely, maybe at the moment they have written 280 too?

                    No, WRONG, and hence everything else is WRONG ...
                    PS If you think that this violates the law, contact the relevant authorities, but I really would like to see the results of your appeal here ... bully
            2. Oleg Rambover Offline
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 18 January 2020 23: 49
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              Maybe you should go hiking, you yourself know where. If you don’t like it here, maybe you should look for a better place?
              1. 321 Offline
                321 (321) 19 January 2020 00: 42
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                Only after you, we are polite and we will skip forward a lady like you forever ...
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            321 (321) 18 January 2020 11: 35
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            The Russians have never lived so well in history as they are now. Well, maybe a little better until the age of 14. So bring it down to your north Korea.

            You still “forgot” to write about the clouds of cars, about the carts in the markets, full of traffic - like you all, citizens are liberals, SIMPLE - and your personal desire is far from the most decisive in the country, there are quite a lot of people besides you and your relatives people live, and no one is trying to forbid you from believing that Stalin is a tyrant and no one respects him, BUT - just a couple of days ago your representative, Minkin, quoted a plate in an article in MK that happened in 1996 and that already in the twenty-first century, almost now - read, find out - you are unlikely to be happy with the results, Oh, it's your problem. hi
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 19 January 2020 01: 01
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              Excuse me, Shaolin monk? Do you and your children need anything? Just want to be proud of the social order? High incomes are not only apartments, cars, shops, trips abroad, it is also the best education, and the best medical care.
              What do you ascribe to me all the time? Who is Minkin? Is this about Stalin’s approval? So what? Most Russians support Putin, and once, Yeltsin. And before that, Gorbachev is also possible. Today they approve, tomorrow they curse. Most are not interested in history; they favor the myth.
              1. 321 Offline
                321 (321) 19 January 2020 06: 25
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                Quote: Oleg Rambover
                Excuse me, Shaolin monk? To you and your children nothing do not? Just want to be proud of the social order? High incomes are not only apartments, cars, shops, trips abroad, it is also the best education, and the best medical care.
                What do you ascribe to me all the time? Who is Minkin? Is this about Stalin’s approval? So what? Most Russians support Putin, and once, Yeltsin. And before that, Gorbachev is also possible. Today they approve, tomorrow they curse. Most are not interested in history; they favor the myth.

                You have a unique feature - DO NOT understand what they wrote to you. laughing
                But personally, no one can and does not want to forbid you to consider that income is ... and further on your list
                In fact, this is not entirely true, or rather, completely NOT so - and in the clinic - private and very beautiful, you can easily leave a ton of money, BUT you will not get any result, and this is in the best case, so that the income is to the quality of medicine and education have little relationship whether you personally want it or not, and it all BEGIN with what you deigned to write that the Russians didn’t live better than NOW, with a slight reservation bully -

                "... The Russians have never in history lived so well as they are now. Well, maybe a little better until the age of 14 ..."(with)

                And consider further that all or even the majority support - in most cases, not knowing a person, they simply DO NOT tell him, as a matter of fact, just in case, but if you know and trust a person, you can hear that ...
                PS You won’t be bothered to remember that you, though for a long time, BUT studied at school - your lapses in grammar and other things trying to digest fed up already ...
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            businessv (Vadim) 23 January 2020 09: 25
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            Quote: Oleg Rambover
            And the main purpose of the "Iron Curtain" was not to climb outside, but to not scatter from the Union.

            So there isn’t it now, a curtain! And the Union, thanks to people like you, is not there either. Why are we still sitting here and spraying poison ?! It’s necessary not to “somehow live here”, but to live normally and with dignity and love one’s own country; any non-lazy and stupid person can do it, there are all the conditions! Sitting on his ass, doing nothing and complaining to everyone how badly he lives and no one bears anything for him to live normally, can only be one who does not want to do anything, and also does not want to live normally!
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 23 January 2020 11: 32
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              Why are you sitting and complaining about how good it was in the USSR and doing nothing? And also poison about Ukraine? Forward, back to the USSR!
              PS The Union collapsed communists with experience. I was in school at that time. Have you come to the defense of the USSR?
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                businessv (Vadim) 23 January 2020 12: 11
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                Quote: Oleg Rambover
                Have you come to the defense of the USSR?

                Not only me, according to the results of the Referendum, 76,43% voted for the preservation of the country. Before you write something, do not be too lazy to look at least somewhere, so as not to waste either your own or other people's time on meaningless debates! Regarding the independence, I am always distinguished by objectivity, my daughter lives there, so again you are not writing in an arc! It is impossible to "back" into the Union, but Russia would be strong and rich, and not wretched and impoverished, I would like to see!

                1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 23 January 2020 19: 15
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                  To vote in a referendum is not to defend. If the citizens of the USSR really wanted to save the country, no Yeltsin and Nazarbayev would be able to ruin the country.
                  Objectivity is a myth.

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                  It is impossible to join the Union

                  Why do you mourn him all the time, what has passed, has passed.

                  Quote: businessv
                  We would like to see Russia strong and rich, and not wretched and impoverished!

                  What a coincidence, I would also like to see her like that.
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                    businessv (Vadim) 24 January 2020 11: 22
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                    Quote: Oleg Rambover
                    Why do you mourn him all the time, what has passed, has passed.

                    He asked - do not waste someone else's time! Who is it

                    you mourn him all the time

                    ?! Throw the link, where I mourned him, then we'll talk! To justify your not always correct opinion, slide into demagogy, colleague! hi Stop talk about this!
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                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 24 January 2020 23: 42
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                      You first throw the link, where I "poison spray."
                      I just

                      Quote: businessv
                      always distinguished by objectivity

                      What is demagoguery? Judging by elusive signs, voting in a referendum was not enough to preserve the Union. On the example of Ukraine, we see that the active part of society can impose its will on the authorities (without considering the consequences of this will for Ukraine). The GKChP tried to keep the union, did you support it? Helped in their noble cause?
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      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 42
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      Before that, there were two fortresses in the world, Iran and North Korea.

      And many, many reservations - the EU, Latin America, under the external control of the US Treasury. The US says where to buy gas, where to deploy troops, with whom to be friends. And billions of dollars of fines are issued for every newspaper duck.
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        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 20: 21
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        Who argues, living in North Korea and Iran is much better.
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          Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 20: 43
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          Well, a group of embassy comrades will not come to the house and will not kill the North Korean. Like the Americans did in Italy. And when Berlusconi brought the case to a verdict, all of Europe was indignant that the Americans were sentenced in a country where the prime minister owed a couple of thousand taxes.
          So they live in the EU - let them kill us, if only they would not accuse us of tax evasion.
          I even concluded based on the statistics collected with the scandals after the murders in Europe - for the rulers of the European Union, their citizens are worth nothing, but emigrants with Russian passports are priceless.
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            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 21: 51
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            So I say, the rulers of North Korea bake so much about their citizens, bake so much, they can’t eat already (usually citizens don’t eat).
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              321 (321) 18 January 2020 11: 40
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              Prior to this answer, I thought that the joke almost about Yakubovich’s Chukchi was hardly taken from life — about the Chukchi, who guessed all the letters, but didn’t become the winner of the show, because he couldn’t read the word - but after such answers, you begin to understand that it could well be such a thing - nothing that they wrote to you earlier about ABOUT OTHER? Indeed, when such "little things" interested you, right? hi
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          commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 10: 12
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          Who argues, living in North Korea and Iran is much better.

          There are no reservations for indigenous peoples, learn history ...
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            321 (321) 18 January 2020 11: 41
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            lol Such representatives of the liberal "elite" are not interested in such details, and they DO NOT know this ... bully
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 19 January 2020 01: 07
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            Are you pointing me again ??

    3. 321 Offline
      321 (321) 17 January 2020 21: 59
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      ... Before that, there were two fortresses in the world, Iran and North Korea. Yes, we will have worthy neighbors....

      It’s about you that a long time ago came up with -

      Deliver us from such "friends", and we ourselves will easily get rid of enemies.

      Again you are drawn to the fortress, you are a fortifier, although not ours. bully
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        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 22: 38
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        Quote: 321
        It’s about you that a long time ago came up with -

        Deliver us from such "friends", and we ourselves will easily get rid of enemies.

        Of course, people like you, without any help, have already ruined the country by the beginning of the 90s and now they "can repeat it."

        Does it pull me !!!? Surround !!! Have you read the article? Comrade Neukropny rejoices that our country is "going into the regime of a besieged fortress." What do I have to do with it?
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          321 (321) 17 January 2020 22: 41
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          Who would say about the "collapsed" - he wrote - laughing yours and only yours are doing it. hi
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    beeper 17 January 2020 15: 54
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    That's right, comrade Alexander Neukropny! good
    I don’t know how Y. Shulipa’s "institute" (he, like, a Muscovite and directly from the capital of the Russian Federation, is actively "harnessing" to the "Russian aggression" he imagines ... Yurik, living in Washington, would try to rebel against aggression The United States, "universal people" would have been so "democratized" that Mom’s not grieving ??! winked ), but many similar Ukrainian “institute directors” with big names are the only full-time employees of their “institutions” (often with the address of a rented apartment somewhere in the “sleeping area” of Kiev, Il Lvov! smile )!
    Of course, it was insulting to some politician, Bloody Offal (after all his efforts to stay at the "power fed") to lose his mega-profitable kleptosinecure to some "little devil from the Kolomoyka" - a record clown-lyceum, a vulgar player m ... ..we’re on the piano!
    A lot of people, besides the absolutely stubborn Lviv banderlogs, were not too lazy to go "vote (in these mocking amerocolonial" elections "without a choice)" just to enjoy at least the sight of the "picturesquely" sour faces of this heinous bloody "tomosyatnik" when he I found out that I had blew a fodder place, with a crushing score, the most perfect nonentity, generally recognized as zero of zeros, who had never been in the “spider fights” of the ukrokleptopolitikum and “received a joke” that received the much-desired Pedro chair!
    The fact that the Ambassador came to the anti-popular Washington "project Ukraine" is probably clear to many ?! The agony of annihilation, of course, can last, but the destructive "process has begun" after the "Euromaidan", already with the direct direct intervention of overseas and European "universal people", has accelerated ....
    And now the current “maidan prime minister (frank fascist)” is boasting that he is “a complete ignoramus in the economy”, so what good can these torn “servants of the enemies of the people” be for a torn “derzhava”, with it’s almost exhausted (still Soviet! !!) "safety margin", and what good can Ukrainian people expect from them ??!

    Of course, V.V. Putin made a strong move on January 15.01.2020, XNUMX - we are watching with alarm and great interest what is happening in Russia, in which direction will the pendulum of prosperity and prosperity rise ?!
    If in the direction of the working majority of Russians, it will be a huge Plus and attractive Pole-Landmark for the entire adequate population of the post-Soviet space, but if, after everything said by the President of the Russian Federation, everything will be limited to imitation and another empty-minded “campaign” - without a tangible increase in the welfare of millions of ordinary Russians (rather than a handful of sucked to various natural resources and government financial flows, such as - "space injections" in the welfare of "effective managers, cooler than NASA" to the detriment of real workers outer space!), it will be as a huge minus, it is not funny, with far-reaching consequences, not only for the Russian Federation!

    If it persists and strengthens, Russia flourishes and the Russians rejoice, we all will survive, our common multinational World — our Russian Civilization! yes
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      Valentine (Valentin) 17 January 2020 16: 55
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      And who, after your such speech, puts dislays for you, ordinary workers “for”, and even wild liberals will also be “for”, otherwise they won’t even understand where they “steer”, and that means that some there was no one else to send the Cossack from Galicia, but ..... "the other way" we were already going, starting with the Gorbachev-Yeltsins, and the result of this was on the face of the country and its people, so it remained to turn to where the people again demand, and it’s towards the “bright future of socialism”, no, not the Chinese, but that of the Soviet model, taking from it only the best that was in it, and for the price e not plucking and attaching everything that was useful to people under all forms of government, because capitalism has many advantages of its own ..... We just won’t bring out any dublofos or chubais or curls, but they won’t allow so that our people live "dignified and happy," as our current "guarantor" says in his television communications with the people .... I put you virtually a fat plus so as not to spoil someone's fat natural red minus.
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    maybe, all the same, Russians need to "strain"?


    This is what happens if the Russians strain.
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