After Putin's message, Ukraine stiffened for a reason


Still, Ukraine is a completely phenomenal country. Well, that’s the way to stay within the framework of censorship vocabulary. For the third day there is the most lively discussion of the message of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin to the Russian Federal Assembly. And this despite the fact that, according to the local "patriots" completely discouraged by this fact, the "unfathomable" is not mentioned in it by a single word!


You can, of course, on this occasion indulge in reflections about the obvious secondary nature of the Ukrainian "state", as well as the painful dependence of its politicians and other public figures from that same “eastern neighbor” whom they hate so much with every fiber of their soul ... However, the obvious should be admitted: Kiev really has something to worry about after what happened in Moscow on January 15. Let's try to figure out why.

Heavy chains will fall ...


The main point about which, in fact, the ex-president of the "non-profit" Petro Poroshenko, and his party colleague, a big lover of Dutch "grass" and provocative demarches in various instances of the European Union, People's Deputy Viktor Aryev, is not even theirs fear of having Vladimir Vladimirovich as his opponent in an indefinitely long term. No, much more these figures are frightened by something else - Putin's intention to finally get rid of the most grave and shameful "shackles" that the West once imposed on Russia. It is about the supremacy of the so-called "international law" over domestic laws. And the point here, of course, is not at all whether or not politically motivated decisions of the same ECHR will be obediently implemented in our country. The point is in principle. The President believes (and there is no doubt about this issue that he will receive the broadest nationwide support!) In at least 9 cases out of 10, they directly run counter to the national interests of Russia, for her it is not a decree. In fact, this intention alone contains the whole meaning of the country's future course - both in foreign and domestic policy. In fact, Putin acknowledged a huge mistake, which was all his efforts to "get along" with the West, while following the path of concessions and agreements that were unfavorable to us. He tried honestly, tried his best. He persuaded, warned, reasoned ... But he was not heard - not in Munich in 2007, when the Russian leader first tried to reach out to the “civilized”, or later.

Now, if you please, get Russia, which, in fact, passes into the regime of a besieged fortress ready for battle. The Kremlin finally rejected what at times held him back in making fateful decisions. There is no doubt - if it had happened in 2013, and the “Russian Spring” would not have been locked within the Crimea and Donbass. There would be no civil war tormenting Ukraine, no revival of neo-Nazism in it, there would not be thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of warped destinies. Equally, there would be no mass of problems that today constitute a very real headache for our country. It is a clear understanding of this fact that scares in Kiev all those who came to power and hold on to the squalid political "Olympus" solely because at the time, someone did not want to aggravate relations with the "world community". Which, incidentally, did not appreciate this gesture of goodwill, but perceived it solely as Russia's weakness and as an excuse for exerting infinite pressure on it. Now this has ended. Some in Ukraine, and not only there, have already hurried to call the program set forth by Vladimir Putin “the beginning of preparations for a big war”. Like, now Moscow, not wanting to observe even the appearance of “decency”, ka-a-ak will pounce on all neighboring countries! But how it will start to “capture” everyone for no reason ... About this, for example, a certain Yuri Shulipa (already the whole director of the Institute of National Policy) is broadcasting in the media "not up and down". He is convinced: "the leadership of Ukraine" should "worry about maintaining the territorial integrity of their country." He also gives similar recommendations to Belarus, Poland and the Baltic countries.

Now everything will be serious


Our ancestors characterized this “peculiar” perception of reality with the saying: “I heard a ringing, but don’t know where it is.” Of course, Russia is not going to attack anyone. However, to demolish stoically spitting and blows - even more so. We are not going to start a war, but we make it clear to the whole world that we are ready for it. The same Shulipa paints an apocalyptic picture: with his message, the Russian leader “seems to be completing the construction of the bipolar world”, finally destroying the picture that is familiar and sweet to people like him. From now on, humanity is "divided into two camps." In one, it’s understandable, “a shining city on a hill”, the great and infallible United States in the company of a “civilized world community”, and in the other, ominous and dark, “Putin with dictators-rogue third gas-banana quasi-republics.” Sorry, the quote is verbatim ... The fact that a good half of the "world community", most of all, the majority of the countries of the European Union have been sick of Washington’s tricks for a long time, and China, which is an undoubted ally of Russia, somehow weakly draws on the status of something there ”, The Ukrainian whit absolutely does not care. As, however, and setting the tone for all the hysteria around the presidential message of Petro Poroshenko. All that his brain, which was cruelly exhausted by no means narzan, was caught in watch speech, is that “Putin is not going to stop the war with Ukraine” (and he already started it ?!), and that Vladimir Vladimirovich “is going to stay forever” . Clearly, this condition is called "toad crushes." Such a clear manifestation of black jealousy on the part of the “leader of the nation”, who forcibly spent the rest of his life and lost the election to the clown, looks especially disgusting.

Other attempts at conspiracy theories to "read" the presidential speech in Ukrainian sound even more ridiculous. What is even the Aryev version of the fact that future changes in our Constitution will be aimed at "creating opportunities for further accession of territories", at least even more glaring nonsense from Roman Tsimbalyuk. This time, the brightest representative of surrealistic post-Maidan journalism made a stunning conclusion: it turns out that, calling for an increase in the birth rate in Russia, Vladimir Putin means "millions of new soldiers for the empire." And also, he dreams of capturing the “non-fallow”, as a “donor country of the human resource” for future “predatory wars”. This is not even science fiction, but pure psychiatry. The only relatively common thought in the outflows of Tsimbalyuk can be considered the recognition of the fact that many of his compatriots were forced to “flee to Russia from the war in the Donbass”. However, the enchanting semantic twists and turns of the propagators of the “uncool”, desperately trying to find in the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich what is not there and close, you can even understand. For ordinary, normal, and sane Ukrainians, Putin’s message is more than informative. They announced in it the sums of payments for the birth of children, fixing in the Constitution of Russia the minimum wage, the actual indexation of pensions and social benefits, as well as the like, related to the social sphere that is close and understandable to everyone, they can only envy today. Or, even worse - to compare with the situation that they have in their own country and draw appropriate, well-defined conclusions.

The Ukrainian political "party" cannot but strain the course announced on January 15 to rally and strengthen Russia, its refusal to play according to alien, imposed rules. You don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to understand: from now on, any attempts by Kiev to turn the implementation of the “Minsk Agreements” into surrendering the Donbass and its “de-occupation” according to the bloody script written in Kiev and approved in Washington will turn out to be consequences for the leadership “not fallow” unpleasant, but I’m not afraid of the word, fatal. There is nothing to talk about even more extreme options, such as the "Kerch provocation" or military escalation in the East. Something tells us that the reaction will be lightning fast and crushing. Now - without looking at anyone. However, this is not all. Putin’s words about the inadmissibility of attempts to revise the results and the essence of the Great Patriotic War have a direct relation to Kiev, which played in neo-Bandera politics. Not only to him alone, of course, but the UN resolution on the inadmissibility of the glorification of Nazism was not just as well adopted ... Moreover, without this there were more than real and significant reasons to finally put in place the presumptuous and felt unpunished behind a broad American back, the Maidan political punks, if desired, Moscow can find more than enough. This is the ongoing harassment of the Russian-speaking population, and endless provocations of various kinds, and direct insulting demarches against Russia, which official representatives of Ukraine of all levels regularly allow themselves. Something tells: now all this can be very expensive.

What happens to the extreme resembles a situation when in a certain conditional boxing ring one of the fighters, who had previously been entangled in arms and legs, suddenly restrains his bonds. And his adversary, up to this point enjoying his own “advantage”, is horrified to realize that now there may not even be a wet spot left from him. Another “lamp of Ukrainian political thought” Vitaly Portnikov, for this reason, so exclaims: “The Ukrainian state can simply cease to exist!” Deep thought. And very timely. It’s just that neither running away from the ring, nor even throwing a towel at him as a sign of surrender, will most likely fail.
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  1. 69 Offline 69
    69 17 January 2020 09: 31
    +3
    It's time to let her go free swimming in what the mother gave birth.
  2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 17 January 2020 09: 47
    +7
    If Ukraine is alarmed that it has been forgotten, then this is the best advice to stop talking about Ukraine "from every iron" in Russia and stop showing Ukrainian provocateurs on Russian TV. Moreover, the inviting Russian side cannot always give a worthy and professional answer to all the fabrications of the invited Ukrainian nationalists. And the best response to the closure of Russian-language schools in Ukraine may be the appearance on the Internet of Russian language and literature lessons for the peoples of the former Soviet republics. Anyone who wants to can join the Russian language and Russian culture using modern methods. By the way, such lessons will help both remote settlements and in Russia itself.
    1. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
      Afinogen (Afinogen) 17 January 2020 10: 09
      0
      advice to stop talking about Ukraine "from every iron"

      I once asked one person from television, why are you spinning one Ukraine on all channels, what, are there no other topics? To which he said - this is an order from the government to show Ukraine and how everything is bad there after the Maidan. I ask, why? Well, as he says, why, everything is clear, our people will watch and see that there is no need to protest, we must hold on, although there is no money. Over in Ukraine, they raised a riot in poverty.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 17 January 2020 14: 06
        +3
        Well, and even if so, the fact remains - the Ukrainians after the Maidan in full "z ..".
      2. Alexander Rom Offline Alexander Rom
        Alexander Rom (Alexander Rom) 18 January 2020 23: 41
        -1
        Something seems to me that you composed it. And not even right now ... and not even you.
        1. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
          Afinogen (Afinogen) 19 January 2020 08: 50
          0
          Usually, when something seems, they begin to be baptized.
      3. businessv Offline businessv
        businessv (Vadim) 23 January 2020 09: 09
        +2
        Quote: Athenogen
        Well, as he says, why, everything is clear, our people will watch and see that there is no need to protest, we must hold on, although there is no money. Over Ukraine riot and in poverty

        The explanation, frankly, is wretched! The riot was raised by mattresses, with the hands of chocolate makers, shopkeepers and other evil spirits controlled by them, who had been waiting for this moment all the post-war time and preparing for this ahead of time, taking, if possible, all the posts and places that were possible. As a result, the Galician Natsik group, which hates everyone who does not share their opinion, rules today, which is independent today, and they will destroy everyone who does not agree with them, the experience is huge, the legacy of the SS Galichin division and its values ​​in action!
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 32
      +2
      Quote: Bulanov
      Moreover, the inviting Russian side cannot always give a worthy and professional answer to all the fabrications of the invited Ukrainian nationalists.

      Questions and answers on Russian TV are written by professional screenwriters.
      Yes, and on American TV, the interviewee is given questions, they get answers, they correct, if the author does not agree, they exclude the question. Show it is a show.
    3. businessv Offline businessv
      businessv (Vadim) 18 January 2020 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: Bulanov
      And the best answer to the closure of Russian-language schools in Ukraine may be the appearance on the Internet of Russian language and literature lessons for the peoples of the former republics of the USSR

      I fully support! And it would also be nice to return the normal education system, which gives knowledge in its purest form, without training, "how to guess correctly on the coffee grounds, passing the exam", thereby cutting off the money receipts of those who parasitize on our children!
  3. Termit1309 Offline Termit1309
    Termit1309 (Alexander) 17 January 2020 10: 12
    +4
    And the best answer to the closure of Russian-language schools in Ukraine may be the appearance on the Internet of Russian language and literature lessons for the peoples of the former republics of the USSR
    Maybe someday this will happen. good
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 34
      +3
      Quote: Termit1309
      Maybe someday this will happen.

      There is one. Distance learning. Thousands of Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian schoolchildren are educated in Moscow schools. On the internet online.
  4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 17 January 2020 10: 27
    +4
    Quote: Athenogen
    Well, as he says, why, everything is clear, our people will watch and see that there is no need to protest, we must hold on, although there is no money. Over in Ukraine, they raised a riot in poverty.

    This is clear. Do you want to like in Ukraine?
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 14: 06
      -4
      I want in Paris. wink
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 36
        +5
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        I want in Paris

        Arabs with bottles of gas burning indigenous French property?
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 17 January 2020 19: 18
        +4
        I want in Paris.

        Somewhere I already heard it recourse

        1. commbatant Offline commbatant
          commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 09: 59
          +2
          Quote: 123
          I want in Paris.

          Somewhere I already heard it recourse


          New trends ....

          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 18 January 2020 10: 02
            +1
            commbatant
            This is the second stage. laughing
            1. Akuzenka Offline Akuzenka
              Akuzenka (Alexander) 22 January 2020 10: 23
              +1
              I read about this actress, worked in some third-rate theater .... in Moscow. In the EU, without panties, no one needed it.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 22 January 2020 10: 31
                +1
                I read about this actress, worked in some third-rate theater .... in Moscow. In the EU, without panties, no one needed it.

                Hopefully in a warm padded jacket? laughing But seriously ... Oh, okay, I got settled and well. Good luck to her. I hope she's cleared up. It's just a vivid example of naivety and overestimated expectations of a "miracle".
  5. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 17 January 2020 10: 30
    -7
    Dill Ukraine will not leave alone.

    And the point here, of course, is not at all whether politically motivated decisions of the same ECHR will obediently be implemented in our country.

    - maybe the Russians need to "tense up" more likely?
  6. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 17 January 2020 11: 17
    +7
    We again have everything as always - muddy, slippery and incomprehensible - where now our mother Russia will turn the shafts, which way we will go ... We were an agrarian country, we passed war communism, gathered in socialism - we were not allowed to complete this to the end business, but under wild capitalism our people have what they have, i.e. nothing, but, apparently, for our political leadership it nevertheless came to the conclusion that it is impossible to joke with the people, and the "Russian revolt" is not French gatherings in yellow vests on the streets of Paris, but much worse ... And Ukraine is now in deep in thought, apparently, it came to the conclusion that the path to cave nationalism, with its few, but powerfully gathered in a fist, adherents of monoethnism, does not suit her very well, and there are other ways of building her own state, but the "independent" is ruled by operetta personalities who embodied the whole scene "Quarter 95" in life, but for more they have neither the efforts nor the brains, and the country is increasingly desolate.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 17 January 2020 14: 11
      +2
      What other "operetnye personality" ?? The country is under the external control of rather specific "star-striped" personalities.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 38
        -1
        Error. Americans believe that they are under the control of a tricolor (KGB, bottom to top) personality.
  7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 14: 20
    0
    Now, if you please, get Russia, which, in fact, passes into the regime of a besieged fortress ready for battle.

    Before that, there were two fortresses in the world, Iran and North Korea. Yes, we will have worthy neighbors.
    We can say with confidence that China is weakly pulling on an ally.
    PS I already feel sorry for Comrade Neukropny, he has so much genuine, directly childish delight from the speech of his idol. What a cruel disappointment.
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 17 January 2020 16: 01
      -6
      Now, if you please, get Russia, which, in fact, passes into the regime of a besieged fortress ready for battle.

      - If you fence the whole world with barbed wire, who will be free?
      1. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
        S.V.YU 17 January 2020 16: 45
        +4
        Whose mill are you pouring water into, Arkharov?
        1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 17 January 2020 17: 12
          -5
          Certainly not at a mill like you. And what, something did not like?
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            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 18 January 2020 11: 28
              +1
              Well, he doesn’t know how else, no matter how he puffs and tries, he doesn’t succeed. bully
        2. commbatant Offline commbatant
          commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 10: 03
          +2
          Quote: S.V.Yu
          Whose mill are you pouring water into, Arkharov?

          Israeli Jews and American Empireism ...
      2. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 17 January 2020 17: 03
        +7
        And what, we will also make a new "iron curtain" so that people of the third and fourth sex do not get to us .... And do not worry about Russia, since the time of the Tatar-Mongols we have been living in a besieged fortress, and nothing - survived, and we will live.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 20: 46
          -5
          How would I live here too. My parents and my son also live here. You may want to live like under the Tatar-Mongols, but I doubt that there are many of them. And the main purpose of the "iron curtain" was not so that they would not climb outside, but so that they would not run away from the Union.
          1. Valentine Offline Valentine
            Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 05: 57
            +6
            Well, yes, yes, but what is happening in our country is a home invention? It was the Communists who came up with this wild capitalism, which lowered the people to the very bottom of its existence? And why do you not scatter from such a life in Europe, but spoil the air here, and do not give people a normal life? So bring it down with all your families, and here we can somehow manage it ourselves, not the first time.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 18 January 2020 08: 51
              0
              The Russians have never lived so well in history as they are now. Well, maybe a little better until the age of 14. So bring it down to your North Korea.
              1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 10: 05
                +1
                Well, well, you, like, Naina Yeltsina, for whom during the reign of her hubby - an alcoholic, our people, it turns out, lived in "bright times", and did not die of hunger, lack of money and hopelessness, when the other world untimely left 17 millions of Russian people - and these are happy days for her .... Or maybe you live behind the Kremlin wall?
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 18 January 2020 23: 45
                  -2
                  You yourself Naina Yeltsin, living in the nineties. You do not know, since then 20 years have passed?
                  1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                    Valentine (Valentin) 19 January 2020 07: 14
                    +2
                    And what, something has changed during this time? Nothing, maybe it will just happen now, after the dispersal of the DAM government, and the life of the people will change for the better.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 January 2020 18: 08
                      -1
                      The income of the Russians.
                      Why such optimism?
                      The government has not changed much, and it is generally naive to believe that the government determines the direction of economic development.
            2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 09: 22
              -2
              Valentine
              Yes, there is no capitalism here.
              1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 09: 59
                0
                There is, Grisha, there is, but only the wildest, and the "brothers" are the same, in the face of the Chubais and the curls, swindlers, thieves and outlaws.
                1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 12: 19
                  -2
                  Valentine
                  Chubais 20 years in power? !!
                  1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                    Valentine (Valentin) 18 January 2020 14: 00
                    +1
                    You, Grisha, were a little mistaken, he has been in power for more than 30 years, and he started with Gaidar in 1986, when, under Gorbachev, they tried to change the Soviet socialist system to a radical capitalist one, remember his "500 days" of 1990, and now Then it went and went, carried the country along the gullies-rivers-crayfish of the all-Union privatization, and sawed up the entire national property with a scanty handful of people close to the drunk Yeltsin.
                    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 14: 06
                      -2
                      Valentine
                      And under what special power does Chubais now? And what did he gain especially? You, at one time, threw a "dice for gnawing", but so well that you can not at least a little to analyze what is happening and understand it. Chubais, in comparison, of course, is simply the "Lamb of God", an example of non-acquisitiveness and deep patriotism.
          2. commbatant Offline commbatant
            commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 10: 07
            0
            Quote: Oleg Rambover
            How would I live here too. My parents and my son also live here. The main purpose of the "iron curtain" was not so that they would not climb outside, but so that they would not run away from the Union.

            The USSR has not been around for 30 years, and Russian liberoids are scratching their tongues all the way they wave like a broom ...
            Well, now nobody is holding you here, so you and your family can exercise your right to move freely and get out of here, preferably one way ....
            1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 12: 25
              -5
              commbatant
              Well, if you are sending us from Russia like this, with your "friends in mind", why don't you go to one of your beloved "people's republics", to "peacefully plowing tractor drivers, driven to despair"? Or maybe better in the mythical "KhNR"? There, perhaps, you will live "like a human being", no "liberals" will bother you.
              1. commbatant Offline commbatant
                commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 13: 07
                +1
                Quote: Arkharov
                commbatant Well, if you send us like that, with your "friends in mind" from Russia

                I recognize, I recognize my "friend" comrade. Arkharova ....
                I personally do not send anyone anywhere, you, apparently, have read my text incorrectly, as always, I explain it twice, the first time, the second time for dumb people, so I explain it to you a second time:

                you and your family can exercise your right to free movement and get out of here

                I just offered to use my companion with my constitutional rights:

                1. Everyone who is lawfully in the territory of the Russian Federation has the right to freely move around, choose the place of residence and residence.
                2. Everyone is free to travel outside the Russian Federation. A citizen of the Russian Federation has the right to freely return to the Russian Federation.
                Source: http://constrf.ru/razdel-1/glava-2/st-27-krf

                Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
                So simply, by his kindness, he told your colleague that he has rights .... liberoids never remember responsibilities and are very nervous when they are reminded of them, but oh well ...
                ....You. Comrade Arkharov, once again take my kindness and my good promises in an evil way, however, this is not surprising ....

                why don't you dump yourself into one of your beloved "people's republics", to "peacefully plowing tractor drivers driven to despair"? Or maybe better in the mythical "KhNR"?

                What for? I was born in Russia, it came in handy here, I did not storm Sheremetyev’s gates in the 80s and 90s in order to fly to Israel and Germany in a difficult year for my country, remembering my identity and belonging to the Jewish and German people ...
                As for my beloved LNR and DNR, maybe I’ll go there someday, as a tourist, I was in Crimea in 2018, there will be time - and I’ll go there, it depends on the amount of work ....
                These republics are not hostile to the Russian Federation, unlike Ukraine ....
                To create the People's Republic of China, People’s People’s Republic, People’s Republic of China, etc. until I see the prerequisites, let the local population be independent on the budget, in the end, it all depends on the actions of the latter ....

                There, perhaps, you will live "like a human", no "liberals" will bother you.

                As far as liberoids are concerned, they do not critically bother me yet, well, and if they bother me, then of course, I will not use Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I will use Section 2 of Article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I can use a file in dashing years sharpened electrodes or a hunting carbine .... in short, if your liberoids want to attack me, I will try so that they can never use the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
                Do not cough ....
                1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 13: 54
                  -3
                  As for liberoids, they do not bother me critically yet, but if they bother me, then of course, I will not use Article 27 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, I will use Section 2 of Article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in more years you can use a file electrodes or a hunting carbine .... in short, if your liberoids want to attack me, I will try so that they can never use the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...

                  If we take paragraph 2 of Article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in principle, a wonderful paragraph of a wonderful article:

                  paragraph 2. Everyone has the right to protect their rights and freedoms by all means not prohibited by law.

                  That is, I understood you correctly that if those citizens of the Russian Federation, whom you, at your discretion, rank among a certain social group "liberoids", at a certain moment, as you wrote above, will personally "interfere" with you, then you will resort to the following, according to your statement, "a method not prohibited by law", namely, to the murder of representatives of the social group "liberoids" with the help of a cold weapon, made by you in advance, with a similar purpose, with a similar purpose.
                  I do not know what about article 45 of the Constitution, but article 119, and in the case of the implementation of 105 and part 4 of art. 223 of the Criminal Code you have collected. Although, if you look closely, maybe at the moment they have written 280 too?
                  1. commbatant Offline commbatant
                    commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 14: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: Arkharov
                    If we take clause 2 of article 45 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in principle wonderful point wonderful article:
                    paragraph 2. Everyone has the right to protect their rights and freedoms by all means not prohibited by law.



                    That is, I understood you correctly that if those citizens of the Russian Federation, whom you, at your discretion, rank among a certain social group "liberoids", at a certain moment, as you wrote above, will personally "interfere" with you, then you will resort to the next, according to your statement, "a method not prohibited by law", namely, to the murder of representatives of the social group "liberoids" with the help of a cold weapon, made by you, in advance, for a similar purpose, with a similar purpose.
                    I do not know what about article 45 of the Constitution, but article 119, and in the case of the implementation of 105 and part 4 of art. 223 of the Criminal Code you have collected. Although, if you look closely, then maybe at the moment they have written for 280 as well?

                    All that ... you wrote here, only confirms what I wrote earlier:

                    you, apparently, read my text incorrectly, as always, I explain it twice, the first time, the second time for dumb people, so, I explain to you a second time:

                    Before you write nonsense, you need, my young foe, to understand what weapons, extremism, a social group, the threat of murder are ....
                    In my commentary, I only wrote that I had the right to self-defense, whether it be liberoids attacking me or Israeli Jews, and I have a hunting rifle legally ..., they taught me to make weapons from improvised items in the RA ...
                    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 18 January 2020 16: 11
                      -3
                      commbatant
                      No need to justify now, it's too late. It was necessary to think what to write.
                  2. plabu Offline plabu
                    plabu 18 January 2020 17: 09
                    -1
                    Quote: Arkharov
                    .That is, I understood you correctly[u] [/ u] that if those citizens of the Russian Federation, whom you, at your discretion, rank as a certain social group "liberoids", at a certain moment, as you wrote above, will personally "interfere" with you, then you will resort to the following, according to your statement "in a way not prohibited by law", namely, to the murder of representatives of the social group "liberoids" with the help of a cold weapon, made by you, in advance, with a similar purpose, with a similar purpose.
                    I do not know what about article 45 of the Constitution, but article 119, and in the case of the implementation of 105 and part 4 of art. 223 of the Criminal Code you have collected. Although, if you look closely, maybe at the moment they have written 280 too?

                    No, WRONG, and hence everything else is WRONG ...
                    PS If you think that this violates the law, contact the relevant authorities, but I really would like to see the results of your appeal here ... bully
            2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 18 January 2020 23: 49
              -2
              Maybe you should go hiking, you yourself know where. If you don’t like it here, maybe you should look for a better place?
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 19 January 2020 00: 42
                0
                Only after you, we are polite and we will skip forward a lady like you forever ...
          3. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 18 January 2020 11: 35
            0
            Quote: Oleg Rambover
            The Russians have never lived so well in history as they are now. Well, maybe a little better until the age of 14. So bring it down to your north Korea.

            You have "forgotten" to write about the clouds of cars, about the carts in the markets, packed to the stop - like everyone else, citizens of the liberals, is ONE WAY - and your personal desire is far from the most defining in the country, here, besides you and your relatives, there are still quite a few people live, and no one is trying to forbid you to believe that Stalin is a tyrant and no one respects him, BUT - just a couple of days ago, your representative, Minkin, in an article in the MK cited a tablet that was in 1996 and that already in the twenty-first century, almost now - read it, find out - you will hardly be happy with the results, BUT these are your problems. hi
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 19 January 2020 01: 01
              -1
              Excuse me, Shaolin monk? Do you and your children need anything? Just want to be proud of the social order? High incomes are not only apartments, cars, shops, trips abroad, it is also the best education, and the best medical care.
              What do you ascribe to me all the time? Who is Minkin? Is this about Stalin’s approval? So what? Most Russians support Putin, and once, Yeltsin. And before that, Gorbachev is also possible. Today they approve, tomorrow they curse. Most are not interested in history; they favor the myth.
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 19 January 2020 06: 25
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                Quote: Oleg Rambover
                Excuse me, Shaolin monk? To you and your children nothing do not? Just want to be proud of the social order? High incomes are not only apartments, cars, shops, trips abroad, it is also the best education, and the best medical care.
                What do you ascribe to me all the time? Who is Minkin? Is this about Stalin’s approval? So what? Most Russians support Putin, and once, Yeltsin. And before that, Gorbachev is also possible. Today they approve, tomorrow they curse. Most are not interested in history; they favor the myth.

                You have a unique feature - DO NOT understand what they wrote to you. laughing
                But personally, no one can and does not want to forbid you to consider that income is ... and further on your list
                In fact, this is not entirely true, or rather, completely NOT so - and in the clinic - private and very beautiful, you can easily leave a ton of money, BUT you will not get any result, and this is in the best case, so that the income is to the quality of medicine and education have little relationship whether you personally want it or not, and it all BEGIN with what you deigned to write that the Russians didn’t live better than NOW, with a slight reservation bully -

                "... The Russians have never lived so well in history as they do now. Well, maybe a little better until the age of 14 ..."(with)

                And consider further that all or even the majority support - in most cases, not knowing a person, they simply DO NOT tell him, as a matter of fact, just in case, but if you know and trust a person, you can hear that ...
                PS You won’t be bothered to remember that you, though for a long time, BUT studied at school - your lapses in grammar and other things trying to digest fed up already ...
          4. businessv Offline businessv
            businessv (Vadim) 23 January 2020 09: 25
            +2
            Quote: Oleg Rambover
            And the main purpose of the "iron curtain" was not so that they would not climb outside, but so that they would not run away from the Union.

            So there is no curtain now! And there is no Union, thanks to people like you. Why are we still sitting here and splashing poison ?! It is necessary not "how to live here", but normally, to live with dignity and love your country, this is not lazy and not stupid person can do, there are all conditions! Sitting on his ass, doing nothing and complaining to everyone about how bad his life is and no one brings him anything so that he can live normally, only the one who does not want to do anything, and does not want to live normally either!
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 23 January 2020 11: 32
              -1
              Why are you sitting and complaining about how good it was in the USSR and doing nothing? And also poison about Ukraine? Forward, back to the USSR!
              PS The Union collapsed communists with experience. I was in school at that time. Have you come to the defense of the USSR?
              1. businessv Offline businessv
                businessv (Vadim) 23 January 2020 12: 11
                +2
                Quote: Oleg Rambover
                Have you come to the defense of the USSR?

                Not only me, according to the results of the referendum, 76,43% voted for the preservation of the country. Before you write something, do not be too lazy to look at least somewhere so as not to waste either your or someone else's time on meaningless debates! Regarding the Square, I am always distinguished by objectivity, my daughter lives there, so again you are not writing in an arc! It is impossible to go back to the Union, but I would like to see Russia strong and rich, and not poor and poor!

                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 23 January 2020 19: 15
                  -2
                  To vote in a referendum is not to defend. If the citizens of the USSR really wanted to save the country, no Yeltsin and Nazarbayev would be able to ruin the country.
                  Objectivity is a myth.

                  Quote: businessv
                  Back to the Union is impossible

                  Why do you mourn him all the time, what has passed, has passed.

                  Quote: businessv
                  We would like to see Russia strong and rich, and not wretched and impoverished!

                  What a coincidence, I would also like to see her like that.
                  1. businessv Offline businessv
                    businessv (Vadim) 24 January 2020 11: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Oleg Rambover
                    Why do you mourn him all the time, what has passed, has passed.

                    He asked - do not waste someone else's time! Who is it

                    you mourn him all the time

                    ?! Throw the link, where I mourned him, then we'll talk! To justify your not always correct opinion, slide into demagogy, colleague! hi Stop talk about this!
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 24 January 2020 23: 42
                      -1
                      You first throw a link where I "splash poison".
                      I just

                      Quote: businessv
                      always distinguished by objectivity

                      What is demagoguery? Judging by elusive signs, voting in a referendum was not enough to preserve the Union. On the example of Ukraine, we see that the active part of society can impose its will on the authorities (without considering the consequences of this will for Ukraine). The GKChP tried to keep the union, did you support it? Helped in their noble cause?
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 17: 42
      +3
      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      Before that, there were two fortresses in the world, Iran and North Korea.

      And many, many reservations - the EU, Latin America, under the external control of the US Treasury. The US says where to buy gas, where to deploy troops, with whom to be friends. And billions of dollars of fines are issued for every newspaper duck.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 20: 21
        -3
        Who argues, living in North Korea and Iran is much better.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 January 2020 20: 43
          +3
          Well, a group of embassy comrades will not come to the house and will not kill the North Korean. Like the Americans did in Italy. And when Berlusconi brought the case to a verdict, all of Europe was indignant that the Americans were sentenced in a country where the prime minister owed a couple of thousand taxes.
          So they live in the EU - let them kill us, if only they would not accuse us of tax evasion.
          I even concluded based on the statistics collected with the scandals after the murders in Europe - for the rulers of the European Union, their citizens are worth nothing, but emigrants with Russian passports are priceless.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 21: 51
            -3
            So I say, the rulers of North Korea bake so much about their citizens, bake so much, they can’t eat already (usually citizens don’t eat).
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 18 January 2020 11: 40
              0
              Before that your answer, I thought that the anecdote almost about the Chukchi from Yakubovich was hardly taken from life - about the Chukchi, who guessed all the letters, but did not become the winner of the show, because he could not read the word - but after such answers, you begin to understand that it could well have been like that - nothing that you have written earlier about something completely OTHER? Indeed, when such "little things" interested you, right? hi
        2. commbatant Offline commbatant
          commbatant (Sergei) 18 January 2020 10: 12
          0
          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          Who argues, living in North Korea and Iran is much better.

          There are no reservations for indigenous peoples, learn history ...
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 18 January 2020 11: 41
            0
            lol Such representatives of the liberal "lity" are not interested in such details, and they DO NOT know this ... bully
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 19 January 2020 01: 07
            -1
            Are you pointing me again ??

    3. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 17 January 2020 21: 59
      0
      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      ... Before that, there were two fortresses in the world, Iran and North Korea. Yes, we will have worthy neighbors....

      It’s about you that a long time ago came up with -

      Deliver us from such "friends", and we ourselves will easily get rid of enemies.

      Again you are drawn to the fortress, you are a fortifier, although not ours. bully
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 17 January 2020 22: 38
        -1
        Quote: 321
        It’s about you that a long time ago came up with -

        Deliver us from such "friends", and we ourselves will easily get rid of enemies.

        Of course, people like you, without any help, have already destroyed the country by the beginning of the 90s and now "can repeat".

        I am drawn !!!? OK !!! Have you read the article? Comrade Neukropny is glad that our country is "going over to the regime of a besieged fortress." What have I got to do with it?
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 17 January 2020 22: 41
          +1
          Whoever wrote about "ruined" here - laughing yours and only yours are doing it. hi
  8. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 17 January 2020 15: 54
    +5
    That's right, comrade Alexander Neukropny! good
    I don’t know how with Yuri Shulipa’s “institute” (he’s a Muscovite and directly from the capital of the Russian Federation is actively “harnessing” against the imagining “Russian aggression” ... Yurik, living in Washington, would try this to rage against aggression USA, "common people" would "de-democratize" him so that mom would not cry ??! winked ), but many similar Ukrainian "directors of institutes" with loud names are the only full-time employees of their "institutions" (often - with the name of a rented apartment somewhere in the "sleeping area" of Kiev or Lvov! smile )!
    Anyone, but a politician, Bloody Giblets, of course, was offended (after all his attempts to stay at the "helm of the power") to lose his mega-profitable kleptosinecura to some "devil from a kolomoyka" - a notebook clown-lyceum, a vulgar player m ... ..y on the piano!
    Very many, except for the very stubborn Lviv banderlog, were not too lazy to go to "vote (in these mocking amerocolonial" elections "without a choice) precisely in order to enjoy at least the sight of the" picturesque "sour face of this vile bloody" tomosyatnik " I learned that I had blown the feeding place, with a devastating score, to the most perfect insignificance, the generally recognized zero from zeros, who had never been in the "spider fights" of ukrokleptopopoliticum for a day, and "for fun" received the so longed-for Pedro!
    The fact that the anti-people Washington "project Ukraine" received an ambassador is probably already clear to many ?! The agony of annihilation, of course, can last, but the destructive "process started" after the "Euromaidan", already with the frank direct intervention of overseas and European "common people", has accelerated a lot ...
    And now the current "Maydanopremier (outright fascist)" boasts that he is "a complete layman in the economy", so what good is these foolish "servants of the enemies of the people" can be for a tattered "derzhava", with almost exhausted (still Soviet! !!) "margin of safety", and what good can the Ukrainian population expect from them ??!

    Of course, V.V. Putin made a strong move on January 15.01.2020, XNUMX - we are watching with alarm and great interest what is happening in Russia, in which direction will the pendulum of prosperity and prosperity rise ?!
    If in the direction of the working majority of Russians, then it will be a huge Plus and an attractive Pole-Landmark for the entire adequate population of the post-Soviet space, but if, after everything said by the President of the Russian Federation, everything is limited to imitation and another empty "campaign" - without a tangible rise in the welfare of millions of ordinary Russians (and not a bunch of people who have stuck to various natural resources and state financial flows, such as "space infusions" into the welfare of "effective managers, cooler than NASA" to the detriment of real space workers!), then this will become an equally huge Minus, not at all funny, with far ongoing consequences, not only for the Russian Federation!

    If it persists and strengthens, Russia flourishes and the Russians rejoice, we all will survive, our common multinational World — our Russian Civilization! yes
    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 17 January 2020 16: 55
      +2
      And who, after your speech of this kind, puts you dislikes, ordinary workers - "for", and even wild liberals will also "for", otherwise they will not understand at all where they "rule", and, therefore, it is done by some a sent Cossack from Galicia, no one else, but ..... "in a different way" we already went, starting with the Gorbachev-Yeltsin, and the result of this is on the face of the country and its people, so it remains to turn where the people again demand, and this is to the "bright future of socialism", no, not Chinese, but that, the Soviet model, taking from it only the best that was in it, and on the way, pinching off and attaching everything that was useful to people under all forms of government, after all and capitalism has many advantages ... But we will not bring out either Chubais or Kudrins with any dichlorvos, and they certainly will not allow our people to live "with dignity and happiness", as our current "guarantor" says "in my television communications with the people .... I bet you a virtually fat plus, so as not to spoil someone's fat natural cr a big minus.
  9. 69 Offline 69
    69 18 January 2020 06: 55
    0
    Quote: Arkharov
    maybe, the Russians need to "tense up" more likely?


    This is what happens if the Russians strain.
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