The coup drowned: Russia won the final victory in Venezuela

The events in the Middle East, on which the world media focused, were left in the shadow of Venezuela, where a number of important and interesting events took place. The “impostor” Guaido lost his remnants of power, the rebellion against the legitimate president Maduro failed miserably, and Russia once again proved that it was able to effectively defend the interests of its allies.


A year ago, the United States, along with most countries in Latin America and the European Union, recognized the self-proclaimed Juan Guaido as the legitimate president. Then, the new leader was dubbed the hope of democracy. And the Western media tirelessly repeated that Russia, interceding for Maduro, is drawn into a devastating adventure and has no chance of success.

A year passed, the coup drowned, and they prefer not to recall the aforementioned “prophecies”. The opposition leader and the “savior of the nation” lost the seat of the head of the National Assembly based on the results of the vote of deputies. At the same time, he was accused of stealing humanitarian aid and dictatorial manners.

Not only did Russian aid save Venezuela from the civil war, but also contrary to “forecasts,” this mission did not become ruinous for us. Caracas regularly pays debts, and according to some sources, Rosneft, thanks to Western sanctions, practically took possession of its oil fields. However, Venezuela was not left offended either. The state receives monetary compensation from us, and it is money that it lacks now.

However, despite the fact that “everything seems to have worked out”, new tests await Moscow in Venezuela. This Latin American state has many problems that Western strategists have not failed to take advantage of. Russia was able to frustrate their plans, but now in Venezuela it is necessary to restart almost again the economy, solve a number of social problems and stop the outflow of the population. And all this under the conditions of international sanctions.

Earlier, our country stated that in the event of the resignation of Juan Guaido from the post of head of the National Assembly, Russian advisers will be sent to Caracas to deal with the accumulated socio-economic problems. However, here Russia already has a competitor, and, oddly enough, in the person of the United States. It became known the day before that Washington also offered assistance, in particular, sending its advisers to train the local police and prepare the ground for a new presidential election.

As a result, we still have to "work hard" and now prove to the whole world that we can not only effectively resist conspiracies, but also help to restore the economy of our allies.

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  1. Port Offline
    Port 14 January 2020 09: 12
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    After the act of international terrorism, organized by the hegemorder to kill Suleymani, the world was not so stable and unambiguous, Maduro now needs to walk and look around, and destroy US drones hundreds of kilometers from the border.
    1. Alien on this holiday of life 17 January 2020 02: 59
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      "Walk and look around?" This is the whole problem of people like you - the gateway is climbing out of all the cracks. You try to hide it, pronounce clever words, and she keeps climbing and climbing, climbing and climbing. And so it is everywhere, starting with your sun-faced king and ending with the last nut when assembling the Proton rocket. That’s the whole problem, missiles on the paid show-offs from the gateway do not fly, and the planes fall.
      1. Irokez Online
        Irokez (Sergei) 10 March 2020 20: 06
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        So what did you want, dear, to say in your skeleton? I don’t understand, are you supporting the sun-faced or Maduro?
  2. Pacifist Offline
    Pacifist (Victor) 14 January 2020 09: 18
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    Help from the USA in matters of police training and election preparation ?! After what they committed ?! In general, creatures are overgrown. If someone in Venezuela pecks at this scam, then he is definitely moronic.
  3. Port Offline
    Port 14 January 2020 09: 24
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    Quote: Pacifist
    If someone in Venezuela pecks at this scam, then he is definitely moronic.

    The calculation is not on the demented, but on traitors to saboteurs and corrupt compradors.
  4. Monster_Fat Offline
    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 14 January 2020 09: 31
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    Urya! And in Venezuela everyone has been defeated again (just like in Syria)! And Russia will win there more than once! Tomorrow, everyone in Russia in honor of the victory in Venezuela, will raise the salary of state employees by 10%! No, they won’t raise it? And why? They won! It is strange that behind the joy of the victory in Venezuela, no one in Russia is interested in the question of when, within itself, Russia will defeat the poverty and poverty of half of its population? Now Russia will raise the Venezuelan economy .... But what? It will be trained in Venezuela, and then it will begin to raise its economy .... One cannot immediately take on work of such a scale (raising the Russian economy) without training .... And so, yes, Urya! victory in Venezuela (true, most Russians will not find that Venezuela on the map, but that's nothing)!
    1. Vasil K. Offline
      Vasil K. (Vasil K.) 14 January 2020 10: 50
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      The percentage of Russians who find Venezuela will overlap the percentage of pind ... s looking for Ukraine ...
    2. chemyurij Offline
      chemyurij (chemyurij) 14 January 2020 14: 47
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      no one in Russia is interested in the question, when, within itself, will Russia overcome the poverty and poverty of half of its population?

      Come on, we’ll worry about Russia ourselves, and you don’t have to open your mouth about this, sit in your silence, where you are sitting and what you are sitting in, and we’ll figure it out ourselves somehow, without any “Monsters” for some reason "Fatanutyh" and also which "Yes, what's the difference" under whom to lie, if only to lie.
    3. 321 Offline
      321 (321) 14 January 2020 19: 24
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... And so, yes, Urya! victory in Venezuela (true, most Russians will not find that Venezuela on the map, but that's nothing)!

      The percentage will still be many times greater than that of Americans with a similar task ...
    4. akarfoxhound Offline
      akarfoxhound 16 January 2020 13: 03
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      Well, from the USA, of course, it is more visible where poverty is steeper, of course. In the mattress, beggars live exclusively under crystal bridges and feed on served porcelain garbage cans of the Ming dynasty, huh ...
      laughing laughing laughing
    5. Irokez Online
      Irokez (Sergei) 10 March 2020 20: 12
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      Why did you jump off the topic. The conversation about Venezuela and how we defended it, and you started to curry about some salaries. Even if everyone here will be millionaires, you will still find places where everything is bad and gone. Like you, everything is small and bad, and therefore the desire to criticize is limitless and eternal.
  5. Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 14 January 2020 10: 51
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    It is advisable for Russia to assist the countries of Latin America in creating their own bloc, or Union of Mutual Economic Assistance, which could include Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and others who can be attracted to this. Unfortunately, it seems that they were a little late with Bolivia. And also to arrange the delivery of their equipment there, and preferably not for dollars, but for gold, as the equivalent of calculation (if it does not work for rubles). Maybe it’s worth remembering the “golden ruble” for settlements with other countries ..
    1. Monster_Fat Offline
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 14 January 2020 11: 38
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      It is time for Russia to introduce its gold ruble for settlements with ALL COUNTRIES. wink True, this will be trade not for the ruble, but for gold - but it will also be a revolution - resources will be exchanged for resources (gold). Profit! But the trouble is - everyone has a lot of dollars and other pieces of paper, but with a gold reserve .... byad .... Papers - “money” can be quickly printed, but physical gold can be obtained in the right amount .... recourse
      1. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 14 January 2020 18: 25
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        Listen, monster ... And to provide this same "sp" than you will?
  6. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 14 January 2020 12: 08
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    On the day of the vote, the regime of Nicolas Maduro blocked access to the parliament of Juan Guaido and dozens of Venezuelan deputies, and at the fraudulent session, without the necessary quorum, they forced the election of Luis Parra.
    After that, lawmakers decided to gather outside the National Assembly and independently hold elections. With 100 votes, Juan Guaido was re-elected as president of parliament. In fact, he received 16 votes more than 84 required by the regulation.
    Guaido, whom nearly 60 countries recognize as interim president, in spite of Nicolas Maduro’s attempts, was voted by opposition lawmakers, including members of the section on July 16, who usually criticize the opposition leader.
    In the National Assembly of Venezuela 07.01. The first meeting of the new presidium was to take place. Despite the resistance of the Venezuelan police, the Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó, along with his supporters, broke the cordon around the Venezuelan parliament, entered the courtroom and occupied the main rostrum.
    1. 321 Offline
      321 (321) 14 January 2020 17: 06
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      It was even better for them to gather in a brothel there, the result and the characters are about the same ...
    2. akarfoxhound Offline
      akarfoxhound 16 January 2020 13: 09
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      Ah well done! The voice of America has fulfilled the norm today! fellow
      Do you and your AB colleague always let go of lunch on Mail News or sometimes dine? laughing
  7. Oleg Rambover Online
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 14 January 2020 13: 39
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    Earlier, our country stated that in the event of the resignation of Juan Guaido from the post of head of the National Assembly, Russian advisers will be sent to Caracas to deal with the accumulated socio-economic problems.

    That is, the Russian Federation cannot solve its economic problems, but is it going to solve such problems of Venezuela?

    As a result, we still have to "work hard" and now prove to the whole world that we can not only effectively resist conspiracies, but also help to restore the economy of our allies.

    I don’t understand why we don’t have to work hard to restore our economy, but rather we need to work to restore the Venezuelan economy (which reached its present deplorable state under the wise leadership of Maduro and his predecessor).
    1. 123 Online
      123 (123) 14 January 2020 15: 46
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      That is, the Russian Federation cannot solve its economic problems, but is it going to solve such problems of Venezuela?

      Do you think the problems we have with Venezuela are the same?

      I don’t understand why we don’t have to work hard to restore our economy, but rather we need to work to restore the Venezuelan economy (which reached its present deplorable state under the wise leadership of Maduro and his predecessor).

      Nobody forbids you or prevents you from working for the sake of restoring our economy. They don’t call you to take a kylo in your hands and go to Venezuela. The advisers will go and help to get out of the crisis. I don’t understand why you are so worried about this? Do you want advisers to come to you?
      1. Oleg Rambover Online
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 14 January 2020 17: 01
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        Do you think the problems we have with Venezuela are the same?

        In Venezuela, they tried to build socialism, in Russia they are building monopoly capitalism, of course. the problems are different. Moreover, it is not clear that our advisers can “advise” there. In my opinion, when advisers are invited, they try to learn from their successful experience. But in the Russian Federation with successful experience, it’s somehow not very.

        Quote: 123
        Nobody forbids you or prevents you from working for the sake of restoring our economy. They don’t call you to take a kylo in your hands and go to Venezuela. The advisers will go and help to get out of the crisis. I don’t understand why you are so worried about this? Do you want advisers to come to you?

        That is, according to the good old Russian - Soviet tradition, it will not issue loans ... interest-free ... non-repayable? Advisers all right, let them advise. Venezuelans are a little sorry, but on the other hand, it’s hard to imagine that you can steer even worse than Maduro and Co.
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 14 January 2020 17: 35
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          In my opinion, when advisers are invited, they try to learn from their successful experience. But in the Russian Federation with successful experience, it’s somehow not very.

          They are now much worse than ours in the 90s. Remember how it was - default, terrible inflation, did not pay wages, in stores is empty, on the streets of a shootout. Do you think nothing has changed? Just the experience of getting out of such a cesspool in Venezuela is very useful.

          That is, according to the good old Russian - Soviet tradition, it will not issue loans ... interest-free ... non-repayable?

          Reread the article again, there is a word like “Rosneft”. I don’t know where you got the idea that the Russians all over the planet are rushing around and forcibly make loans, which are definitely irrevocable.

          Advisers all right, let them advise.

          Thank you hi

          Venezuelans are a little sorry, but on the other hand, it’s hard to imagine that you can steer even worse than Maduro and Co.

          Why present? You can see:



          Haiti is officially the poorest state of the southern hemisphere and notice, without any socialism. It’s just that it’s not advertised, because the “tentacles of Mordor” did not reach there, all the “fair-faced tolerant managers” introduce prosperity.
          1. Oleg Rambover Online
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 14 January 2020 18: 58
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            Quote: 123
            They are now much worse than ours in the 90s. Remember how it was - default, terrible inflation, did not pay wages, in stores is empty, on the streets of a shootout. Do you think nothing has changed? Just the experience of getting out of such a cesspool in Venezuela is very useful.

            That is, advisers will tell Maduro how to raise the price of oil every five to seven? I’m not sure that this can be done now and it’s not a fact that it will help Venezuela.

            Quote: 123
            Reread the article again, there is a word like “Rosneft”. I don’t know where you got the idea that the Russians all over the planet are rushing around and forcibly make loans, which are definitely irrevocable.

            I brought you an article where Medvedev talks about how the Russian Federation donated something like 200 billion dollars to Ukraine, because we are “good”?
            Regarding - regularly paying debts - this is a lie.

            https://www.rbc.ru/economics/15/11/2017/5a0c28d49a7947f833f13c3c

            And about Rosneft, which took possession of the oil fields ... Do you know why Venezuela’s relations with the USA deteriorated? What are the guarantees that they will not do the same feint again.

            Quote: 123
            Why present? You can see:

            To bring Venezuela, the country with the largest oil reserves in the world, to the state of Haiti, this must be done very, very hard.

            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 14 January 2020 23: 25
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              That is, advisers will tell Maduro how to raise the price of oil every five to seven? I’m not sure that this can be done now and it’s not a fact that it will help Venezuela.

              No, of course, they will tell you how to sell at least according to the current one, to circumvent the sanctions.

              I brought you an article where Medvedev talks about how the Russian Federation donated something like 200 billion dollars to Ukraine, because we are “good”?

              Do you really think so? It does not occur to you that this is not simply due to "spiritual kindness." This state of affairs has developed, so to speak, historically, and changing everything is not so simple. It’s fundamentally wrong to imagine the situation as if Medvedev had come and give out billions out of kindness. See how Belarus painfully reacts to separation from the feeding trough. Imagine that the aggravation in Ukraine began 20 years earlier.

              Regarding - regularly paying debts - this is a lie.

              Why lies? Debt restructuring due to difficult financial condition is common. This happens, it happens, for example, interest is paid on a mortgage, the amount of the main debt is temporarily not paid. Do you think it would be more correct for them to tear out the last piece from their throats and let them die in the jungle?

              And about Rosneft, which took possession of the oil fields ... Do you know why Venezuela’s relations with the USA deteriorated? What are the guarantees that they will not do the same feint again.

              Yes, I know, but do you think that the conditions under which oil is produced are exactly the same? States stupidly pumped out all the resources, maybe that's why the relationship went bad? Because nationalization has occurred? And cooperation with Russia in this situation is the only opportunity to trade in oil. Of course, there are no guarantees. Such is life, one has to take risks. If you recall who did what before, then it turns out that you can’t cooperate with anyone.

              To bring Venezuela, the country with the largest oil reserves in the world, to the state of Haiti, this must be done very, very hard.

              Firstly, in Venezuela and others. Chavez did not live like Arab sheikhs.
              Secondly, the mere presence of oil does not guarantee prosperity. Libya, Nigeria, Angola, Iraq, and Sudan and Iran are also not far away. Impose the Saudis with sanctions, do not allow them to sell oil, do not supply equipment and so on. Can you imagine what will happen to them in 20 years? And by the way, sanctions are not imposed against Haiti. And Western advice is more expensive to listen to. An example is a “prosperous” Ukraine, without any sanctions.
              1. Oleg Rambover Online
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 15 January 2020 10: 39
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                Quote: 123
                No, of course, they will tell you how to sell at least according to the current one, to circumvent the sanctions.

                Oh how! Maduro does not know how to sell oil at a market price? In order to sell oil bypassing sanctions, it is necessary first to introduce such sanctions. And for this you need to try hard, for example, to organize a nuclear program or put a bag of explosives in a Pan American plane.

                Quote: 123
                Do you really think so?

                We have already discussed this, I see no reason to repeat ourselves.

                Quote: 123
                Why lies? Debt restructuring due to difficult financial condition is common.

                Because "debt restructuring due to difficult financial condition" is notgood repayment of debt. I do not propose pulling out the last piece, but when they gave a loan to a country with an unstable regime and a declining economy, did you not realize that it would be so? Has the experience of Ukraine taught anything? And they did not give credit for the last piece of bread, but for weapons.

                Quote: 123
                Yes, I know, but do you think that the conditions under which oil is produced are exactly the same? States stupidly pumped out all the resources, maybe that's why the relationship went bad? Because nationalization has occurred? And cooperation with Russia in this situation is the only opportunity to trade in oil. Of course, there are no guarantees. Such is life, one has to take risks.

                Comrade Sechin in 14 did not hesitate to rob all the Russians, thinks he is embarrassed to rob the Venezuelans? An oil embargo was not introduced.

                Quote: 123
                Firstly, in Venezuela and others, Chavez did not live like Arab sheikhs.
                Secondly, the mere presence of oil does not guarantee prosperity. Libya, Nigeria, Angola, Iraq, and Sudan and Iran are also not far gone. Impose the Saudis with sanctions, do not allow them to sell oil, do not supply equipment and so on. Can you imagine what will happen to them in 20 years?

                Not like sheikhs (but they could), but toilet paper was not distributed with the help of army units.
                Only with Venezuela everything was in circulation, at first they brought their economy to a zugunder, then, against the background of the lack of toilet paper, protests began that began to suppress, and only then they imposed sanctions. So Chavez and Co. coped with their economy without outside help.
                PS And it is not at all clear why all this is for Russia (and by Russia we mean all citizens of the Russian Federation, and not individual Sechins), for the sake of what are all these dances with Venezuela?
                1. 123 Online
                  123 (123) 15 January 2020 18: 14
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                  Oh how! Maduro does not know how to sell oil at a market price?

                  Are you surprised? belay I believe that if you, for example, the main buyer stops buying products, and even seizes accounts, you will also have difficulties.

                  In order to sell oil bypassing sanctions, it is necessary first to introduce such sanctions. And for this you need to try hard, for example, to organize a nuclear program or put a bag of explosives in a Pan American plane.

                  Tell us about the Venezuelan nuclear program? Or tell us how Maduro dragged a bag of explosives into an airplane?

                  Because “debt restructuring in connection with a difficult financial condition” is a bad debt repayment.

                  I think this is your personal opinion? The practice of deferring the payment of the bulk of the debt is widespread, while in the grace period the borrower pays interest on the balance of the main debt.

                  I do not propose pulling out the last piece, but when they gave a loan to a country with an unstable regime and a declining economy, did you not realize that it would be so?

                  Countries with a stable regime and a growing economy do not need loans so much, they often take them when there are problems and there is not enough money. Is this a discovery for you?

                  Has the experience of Ukraine taught anything?

                  Compare in chronology when they gave loans to Venezuela and when the "experience of Ukraine" arose. It's easy to be smart in hindsight.

                  And they did not give credit for the last piece of bread, but for weapons.

                  Sometimes a weapon is more important than bread, if you can't beat it off, you still won't have bread. They took including weapons, but now, in order to give, you need to take away a piece of bread.

                  Comrade Sechin in 14 did not hesitate to rob all the Russians, thinks he is embarrassed to rob the Venezuelans?

                  Sechin personally did not rob me. I personally came to you? Sorry. Try to write a statement to the police.

                  An oil embargo was not introduced.

                  You exactly the word "embargo" cares: you "checkers or go"?

                  The United States has introduced restrictive measures against the Venezuelan state oil and gas company PDVSA. The United States banned transactions with PDVSA and seized its assets in its jurisdiction.

                  https://rns.online/energy/Venesuela-namerena-vosstanovit-dobichu-nefti-do-urovnya-2018-goda--2019-10-03/

                  But the USA is the main buyer. Is this very different from the embargo?

                  Not like sheikhs (but they could), but toilet paper was not distributed with the help of army units.

                  And it could be like in Nigeria or Sudan. I repeat, the very availability of oil does not guarantee anything.

                  Only with Venezuela everything was the other way around, at first they brought their economy to a zugunder, then, against the background of the lack of toilet paper, protests began that began to suppress, and then they imposed sanctions.

                  And when did Venezuela have a thriving economy and universal prosperity? Do not remind? Well, in order to know what to push from, to realize the depth of the fall to the “Zugunder”. And can the exile of pro-American puppets be considered protests? The country has been seething for the past 70 years, and you think it was a paradise, did Chavez come with Maduro and ruin everything? I do not defend the "wry-handed" Maduro, but to say that without him everything was wonderful, not true. Maybe advise where you can read about the prosperous Venezuela to Chavez?

                  And it is not at all clear why all this is for Russia (and by Russia we mean all citizens of the Russian Federation, and not individual Sechins), for the sake of what are all these dances with Venezuela?

                  Interestingly you pose a question. This is geopolitics and far from everything is done "in the interests of all citizens. ”For example, what Americans are doing in Iraq and how that relates to interests all US citizens? The same question can be addressed to the French in Africa. So life is arranged, countries are fighting for zones of influence. Suggest leaving everywhere? The Chinese did this at one time. What this leads to in the end, you can look at their experience. If you do not defend interests on distant approaches, sooner or later they will come to you.
      2. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 January 2020 09: 54
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        Do you think the problems we have with Venezuela are the same?

        - One is possible to eat, and I will not be surprised that the most important.
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 15 January 2020 17: 21
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          Do you think the problems we have with Venezuela are the same? - One is possible to eat and will not be surprised that the most important.

          This?

          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 January 2020 18: 43
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            123
            Not at all. Everything is much simpler and more obvious. There is one common specificity. I would not say that it is very positive, but for Venezuela it is simply disastrous.
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 15 January 2020 19: 05
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              Not at all. Everything is much simpler and more obvious. There is one common specificity. I would not say that it is very positive, but for Venezuela it is simply disastrous.

              You are so mysterious laughing
              1. Arkharov Offline
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 January 2020 19: 07
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                Well, what is mysterious, everything lies on the surface.
    2. 321 Offline
      321 (321) 14 January 2020 17: 09
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      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      ... I do not understand, why don’t we bother to restore our economy, but we must work to restore the economy of Venezuela (which reached its present deplorable state under the wise leadership of Madura and his predecessor).

      At a minimum, because personally you are working directly in the opposite direction for Russia, and these Latinos have little interest in me ...
      1. Oleg Rambover Online
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 14 January 2020 19: 01
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        What is it? I pay taxes, in my country's GDP there is also my modest contribution. I dream that Russia will become a modern, prosperous country. What's wrong?
        1. 321 Offline
          321 (321) 14 January 2020 19: 35
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          I don’t know about “Che”, I usually speak and write in another language. And my answer to you is short - ideologically ...
          PS And has tax payment become a huge achievement long ago? hi
          1. Oleg Rambover Online
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 14 January 2020 20: 04
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            It’s probably hard for you to watch Love and Doves. I understand it happens.
            Essentially:
            1. Reread at your leisure article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
            2. What is your ideology?
            PS I'm afraid to ask what you did something so grandiose for the fatherland?
            1. 321 Offline
              321 (321) 14 January 2020 21: 00
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              As for the Constitution, they just wrote to you that I and you have different ideological views, and I don’t remember somewhere I suggested invoking Siberia for this, or shooting, maybe you read somewhere ? Then a quote to the studio, pliz ... hi That's just about this and the very article about which you wrote here ...
              PS For what purpose are you interested in the details of my life, why do you need such information? laughing
              1. Oleg Rambover Online
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 15 January 2020 10: 43
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                You wrote:

                You are working directly in the opposite direction for Russia

                And then they mysteriously added

                ideologically

                How can I work "ideologically in the opposite direction for Russia" if

                1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
                2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.

                ??
                It is difficult to say whether our views are opposite, you hide yours.
                PS I don’t care about the details of your life, but you wrote with such disdain about paying taxes that you might think you donated both of your kidneys and sent the proceeds to the construction of the Crimean bridge.
                1. 321 Offline
                  321 (321) 15 January 2020 10: 52
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                  First of all, I expressed my opinion - so leave the irony about the opposite of our views to yourself, according to our previous communication, there were already a lot of conclusions that could be drawn, which I expressed, but I don’t consider the details of my life on the Internet, at least necessary, is something you not comfortable with?
                  PS Neglect? It seemed to you ... hi
                  1. Oleg Rambover Online
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 15 January 2020 11: 53
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                    And I express my, and ..? There is always some understatement in your comments, and therefore it is difficult to understand you. For example, you said:

                    we have - in my opinion, different ideological views

                    But do not say what your views are. I do not hide the fact that I am a supporter of liberal ideology. Opponents of liberal ideology are usually champions of some kind of totalitarian ideology, for example, fascism. I hope you are not a supporter of fascism? But because of your unspoken manner, you are hard to understand.
                    1. 321 Offline
                      321 (321) 15 January 2020 14: 06
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                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      ... For example, you said:
                      we have - in my opinion, different ideological views

                      But don’t say what views you have ...

                      You see, less than six months have passed, as you yourself confirmed that we have different views on ideology, as I wrote earlier ... hi

                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      ... I do not hide the fact that I am a supporter of liberal ideology. Opponents of liberal ideology are usually champions of some kind of totalitarian ideology, for example, fascism. ...

                      For some reason, your set of ideologies is rather narrow, it’s too narrow - one thing I know for sure - I am NOT a supporter of a liberal idea, and don’t worry, fascism is not mine ... hi
                      1. Oleg Rambover Online
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 15 January 2020 14: 49
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                        Quote: 321
                        You see, less than six months have passed, as you yourself confirmed that we have different views on ideology, as I wrote earlier ...

                        Have I once claimed the opposite? You confuse something again.

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                        Your set of ideologies is narrower for some reason, narrower - one thing I know for sure - I am NOT a supporter of a liberal idea, and don’t worry, fascism is not mine ...

                        It’s not me like that, it’s such a life. If we talk about socio-political ideologies, then with all the diversity enlarged, they are divided into four areas:
                        1. Anarchism
                        2. Conservatism
                        3. Liberalism
                        4. Fascism (the modern name of statesmen)

                        The first three are related and flow from one another to one degree or another.
                        Something again, I enlighten you ..
                        And again, you have to pull the answers out of you.
                        And I need it?
                      2. 321 Offline
                        321 (321) 15 January 2020 15: 17
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                        Enlightener you, though not ours, laughing I’m reading the above set of lectures above for more than a decade, and you’ve opened my eyes to me like that, well, think on and on ...
                        By the way, your quoted word in brackets - in your opinion, a synonym for fascism - is a very controversial, if not more rigid, statement ... - well, from a scientific point of view, at least the everyday one is of little interest to me.
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                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 15 January 2020 15: 32
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                        In the army were a political instructor?
                        Do not like the statists - call statism.
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                        321 (321) 15 January 2020 15: 41
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                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
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                        In the army were a political instructor?
                        Do not like the statists - call statism.

                        As for the political instructor, he was passing by, vigilantly carrying the database, where and by whom, no matter, no one has yet canceled the S & As. hi
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    xilia72 (xantos) 14 January 2020 19: 02
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    And also to arrange the delivery of their equipment there, and preferably not for dollars, but for gold, as the equivalent of calculation (if it does not work for rubles)

    What for? The Russian government will not run to invest revenue in its own economy, but will convert rubles into dollars and invest in the US economy by buying regular bonds.
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    businessv (Vadim) 14 January 2020 19: 50
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    ... Russian advisers will be sent to Caracas to tackle the accumulated socio-economic problems.

    I think real professionals will be sent there, without quotes, so that "effective managers" do not interfere!
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    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 January 2020 09: 50
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    Earlier, our country stated that in the event of the resignation of Juan Guaido from the post of head of the National Assembly, Russian advisers will be sent to Caracas to deal with the accumulated socio-economic problems.

    - is it serious, or is the joke so original?
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    LeftPers (Anton) 15 January 2020 10: 35
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    It seems to me alone that Guaido is like 2 drops like Obama.