Zelensky reacted to Iran's recognition of guilt in the crash of the Boeing


The reaction of the Ukrainian leadership to Iran’s plea of ​​guilty to the crash of a passenger liner of Ukraine’s International Airlines became known.


On his Facebook page, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky listed the demands that Kiev puts forward to Tehran: full admission of guilt, assurances of readiness to conduct a full and open investigation, holding those responsible accountable, returning the bodies of dead Ukrainians, paying compensation, and apologizing for diplomatic channels.

Also, the Ukrainian leader expressed hope for the speed and objectivity of the investigation, as well as for the admission of Ukrainian experts:

We hope that further investigation will be conducted without artificial delays and barriers. Our 45 professionals must receive full access and interaction to establish justice.


Earlier, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on his Twitter page expressed condolences to the families of the victims and said that they would receive compensation.

Rouhani called the strike on the plane “an unforgivable mistake” that led to the deaths.

In conclusion, it should be noted that in this case Tehran acted in accordance with international practice adopted in such cases, which demonstrated its commitment to follow in line with international rules.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 11 January 2020 12: 02
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    Only honest and correct people can admit their mistakes and guilt. No wonder the priests say: "REPENT!" But Zelensky, as head of state, believes that he can only "let go of sins." Iran once pleaded guilty - PAY. I have no doubt about that.
  2. commbatant Offline
    commbatant (Sergei) 11 January 2020 12: 18
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    In the place of Iran, I would act in relation to Ukrainian citizens in the same way as Ukraine in relation to relatives of passengers of the downed Tu-154 APU over the Black Sea ...
    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 12: 33
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      commbatant
      Please explain here how Ukraine did then? Can be more? Very interesting, what did you mean?
      1. commbatant Offline
        commbatant (Sergei) 11 January 2020 12: 49
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        Quote: Arkharov
        Please explain here how Ukraine did then? Can be more? Very interesting, what did you mean?

        Have you been banned in Google?

        Ukraine is doing everything possible to delay the payment of compensation to relatives of victims of the Ukrainian rocket, which shot down a passenger plane of a Russian airline in October 2001.
        Leonid Kuchma demonstrated that he has his own opinion regarding the reputation of the country, the leader of which he had the honor to be. On October 10, 2001, he publicly stated that the version of the death of the Tu-154 from a Ukrainian missile would not harm the international reputation of the state, since "this happened not only in Ukraine ... Look around, in the world, in Europe - we are not the first and not the last. Mistakes happen everywhere, "Kuchma said conciliatoryly..
        The Ukrainian side did not want to admit for a long time that it had conducted exercises in this area, not to mention launching the ill-fated S-200 in the direction of the Russian aircraft, and in the end, reluctantly had to do this under the pressure of irrefutable evidence. Moreover, the immediate culprits of the disaster - the Ukrainian military - have long resisted the obvious, arguing that nothing has been proved. So, on October 26, Ukrainian Prime Minister Anatoly Kinakh was even forced to refute his Minister of Defense, who said that Ukraine allegedly did not consider itself obligated to compensate for all damage caused to the Russian side as a result of the death of the airliner. Already the first consultations opened between Ukraine and Israel (recall once again, most of the dead on board the TU-154 were Israeli citizens) showed that the country that shot down the passenger plane of another sovereign state expects to get off with about the same amount as the unlucky motorist pays who crumpled an expensive foreign car on Moscow streets. According to the Advisor to the Israeli Prime Minister Alan Geller, who announced the details of the negotiations in early December 2001, the relatives of the victims should have received from Ukraine about one and a half thousand dollars.

        https://lenta.ru/articles/2002/12/03/ukraine/

        In relation to the dead Russians, the Russian Federation then saved Ukraine from larger expenses ... spitting on its own citizens ...

        The Tu-154 airliner of the Russian airline Siberia, flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk, was shot down on October 4, 2001 by a Ukrainian S-200 missile, launched during the air defense exercises in Crimea. As a result of the disaster, 78 people died - 66 passengers (mainly Israeli citizens) and 12 crew members (Russian citizens).
        The amount for each specific recipient will be determined by the Russian side. The agreement notes that Ukraine, its bodies, officials and state legal entities "are not liable in connection with the calculation of settlement amounts" for recipients.
        At the same time, a potential recipient of assistance who does not recognize the satisfaction of claims and claims may lose his part of the compensation at all if he does not accept a share of the settlement amount during the year. In this case, the Russian side returns to Ukraine an appropriate share of compensation.
        The agreement provides that the Russian side does not make any claims or claims against Ukraine.

        https://korrespondent.net/business/109332-ukraina-vyplatila-rossii-kompensaciyu-za-sbityj-tu-154

        Arkharov
        You surprise me again, then a lot of Israeli Jews died, and you do not know, or, as usual, "goof off" (which your Masters may not approve of).
        1. Arkharov Offline
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 13: 20
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          And what, did not pay? Do you even know what the teachings were?
          1. commbatant Offline
            commbatant (Sergei) 11 January 2020 13: 30
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            Quote: Arkharov
            And what, did not pay? Do you even know what the teachings were?

            And what does this have to do with delaying the compensation process? Or, following your logic, Iran can also refer to the teachings, they have t.s. There will be more excuses when explaining the reasons for the error in calculating the air defense systems ...
            1. Arkharov Offline
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 13: 36
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              commbatant
              They have no excuses. Knowing, with great probability, a possible retaliation, not closing the space is a crime.
              1. commbatant Offline
                commbatant (Sergei) 11 January 2020 13: 44
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                Quote: Arkharov
                commbatant They have no excuses. Knowing, with great probability, a possible retaliation, not closing the space is a crime.

                They did not do what Ukraine once was in 2014 ... so Zelensky would generally be silent ...
                In addition, there are questions to the Ukrainian airline, which, unlike Western airlines, has not canceled flights to and from Iran ...
                1. Arkharov Offline
                  Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 14: 07
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                  commbatant
                  Do you know that Aeroflot aircraft, flight SU 512, are still flying? So, that is completely past !!! In milk !!!!
                  1. commbatant Offline
                    commbatant (Sergei) 11 January 2020 15: 29
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                    Quote: Arkharov
                    commbatant
                    Do you know that Aeroflot aircraft, flight SU 512, are still flying? So - just past !!! In milk !!!!

                    Well why by? IRI also did not close the sky over its country, as Ukraine once did not close the sky over Donbass ...
                    And why do you compare Ukrainian airlines with Russian, and not with Western? It seemed to me (and the Ukrainian leadership is constantly talking about this) that Ukraine is striving for the EU, and not the EAC?
                    1. 123 Offline
                      123 (123) 12 January 2020 20: 53
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                      Everything is painted correctly and laid out on shelves. hi If you don’t mind, I’ll add my “5 kopecks”, flights of a number of Russian airlines “Russia”, “S7”, “Ural Airlines” are redirected to bypass Iran and Iraq. As for the rest ...

                      The Federal Air Transport Agency recommended that Russian airlines do not fly over Iraq, Iran, the Persian and Oman gulfs.

                      https://rg.ru/2020/01/08/aviakompanii-priostanavlivaiut-polety-nad-iranom.html
                      https://iz.ru/962067/2020-01-08/krupneishie-aviakompanii-priostanovili-polety-nad-iranom
        2. Arkharov Offline
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 13: 40
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          commbatant
          It’s even more touching that you write about my “masters” with a capital letter. Probably respect them more than I should respect them?
          1. commbatant Offline
            commbatant (Sergei) 11 January 2020 14: 12
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            commbatant It’s even more touching that you write about my “masters” with a capital letter. Probably respect them more than I should respect them?

            Not at all. But I'm glad that you recognized them. Maybe they won’t beat you much, for your clumsy work on this site, I decided to appease them .... nevertheless sometimes you do not always write anti-Soviet things ...
            1. Arkharov Offline
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 14: 24
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              commbatant
              It happens that it’s anti-Soviet, it’s never anti-Russian (although we sometimes have different concepts that are useful for the country). And hello from you, I’ll give them to them, I can even say a word for you. Just drop the “their” address, whom do you mean, I have so many of them, lost count and got completely confused. Probably a joke .... And by the way, why clumsy work? When have I ever been wrong? Ax, it’s actually with you, three days proving about the "wooden details" on board the Boeing, "8000000 dead" from an empty Iranian shelling, etc.
              1. commbatant Offline
                commbatant (Sergei) 11 January 2020 15: 26
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                Quote: Arkharov
                Ax, it’s actually with you, three days proving about the "wooden details" on board the Boeing, "8000000 dead" from an empty Iranian shelling, etc.

                ... you confuse me with someone, I never wrote anything like this ....
  3. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 12: 19
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    Zelensky well done. He behaved very carefully, correctly, without any tantrums. He passed the next difficult exam for an already quite mature and promising politician. Especially in comparison.
    1. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 11 January 2020 13: 09
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      Well done, it's Rouhani. The man!
      And what about Zelensky? It’s good, at least, it was enough to not make claims that Iran’s airspace was not closed. These could.
      Our downed Tu-154 was not recognized for six months. They paid $ 200 for our passengers, and $ 000 million for Israeli passengers. And then, they agreed to pay us only through TWO YEARS and without recognition of legal liability. And when the company "Siberia" demanded to compensate 7,5 million damage, they started a new showdown in 15. stated that they hadn’t shot down at all. And are these people?
      About the Malaysian Boeing I am generally silent.
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 13: 24
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        boriz
        We heard from this “man” about a technical malfunction. If he hadn’t been taken for a certain place, there would have been tales everywhere about an exploding engine, overload, an American drone, Iranian atomic scientists and “wooden parts”. And why couldn’t it be presented without closing the airspace? I think they will show it too. And what, by the way, about the Malaysian Boeing?
        1. boriz Online
          boriz (boriz) 11 January 2020 13: 27
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          No one has taken it yet. How much time has passed? Have you read my comment to the end?
          Read and compare who is a man and who is not.
          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 13: 29
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            boriz
            Only 3 days passed.
            1. boriz Online
              boriz (boriz) 11 January 2020 13: 34
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              Here I am about that. He did not drag out for six months and wait for the conclusion of the IAC and 2 years of shameful litigation for the state (like Ukraine, I will add for clarity). Itself recognized and 100% will pay. Therefore, a man.
              But to whine in such a situation through the lip about who owes what is not a sign of good taste and maturity of a politician. Such things are discussed by special people behind the scenes. But Zelensky behaves as in a local market.
              1. Arkharov Offline
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 11 January 2020 13: 59
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                Recognized, pay, etc. - no questions. When pinned. And when Zelensky behaved, as in a local market? What are you talking about? He behaved surprisingly dignified and balanced, I certainly could not.
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                  boriz (boriz) 11 January 2020 14: 15
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                  You either go away from the answer, or you don’t understand. I point out the difference in the behavior of states in similar situations. Zelensky is not interesting in itself. He is the head of state. The same is true of Rouhani.
                  So compare the behavior of the two states.
                  Zelensky must remember and understand the behavior of the state that he represents. Rowhani also knows the story of how the US shot down the Iranian A300 with pilgrims and Reagan (also an artist) behaved like in a local market. The money was paid only after almost a year of judicial burden, the responsibility for the downed plane was not recognized and they did not apologize. The captain of the downed ship quickly got a promotion.
                  Why not Rowhani behave the same as Ukraine and the United States?
                  But Iran is a passionate country. With all the features of the mentality, people are decent and straightforward.
                  I don’t understand you. Such things must be known and understood. Read at least Wiki and compare. Is it really hard? Why should we arrange an educational program here for you? Himself not ashamed?
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 12 January 2020 12: 29
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                    You attribute to the state personality traits. States have no personality, no will, no desire. Zelensky, Kuchma or Rouhani have all this. And therefore, it seems to me that your generalization (about the behavior of the state) is incorrect.
                    In addition, a trial under MH17 will begin in March and there is no doubt who will be recognized as responsible for his death and who will be entrusted with payments to the relatives of the victims. And I have no doubt that they will pay.
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        xilia72 (xantos) 11 January 2020 17: 25
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        They paid $ 200 for our passengers, and $ 000 million for Israeli passengers.

        And the Kremlin agreed with this? Probably, no state would have made such concessions, of course, except for the Russian Federation.
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 11 January 2020 13: 35
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    - Personally, I ..., about a month and a half ago, already in several of my comments I wrote that Zelensky is far from being as simple as many perceive him ...
    - And what are the chances of 50/50, that he can become a fairly mature politician ...- And, of course, the public, then known to everyone, put me down ..... - Today, personally, I believe that Zelensky has 25/75 chances in favor of a mature politician (75%), i.e. Zelensky quickly learns and progresses ... -During the entire period of his presidency Zelensky did not make a single major mistake as the head of state ... -And not one of the famous world presidents could end the war today in the DPR and LDNR ... - Today, Ukraine is too deeply bogged down in this ... and for this Zelensky must first neutralize such an experienced hard-won security official as Avakov .., who essentially has all the executive power in his hands (and not only) ... -And this Avakov went to Zelensky "by inheritance" (with A other other figures could not cope with Vakov and Poroshenko) ... -Lords and our guarantor can not do anything with his Russian oligarchs (absolutely nothing) .. although he rules for almost 20 years ... -So why blame Zelensky if ............. etc ...
    - And with Iran, it’s only just beginning ... -Soon Iran will not “declare” itself about itself ... - Even the Chinese are not in a hurry to get in there (to Iran), although for them, in terms of economic benefits, everything looks even too promising ...
    1. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 11 January 2020 14: 17
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      -I personally...

      I trudge simply with megalomania ...