“Bad News for Azerbaijan”: Su-30 fighters appear in Armenia


Renewing its fleet of combat aircraft with Su-30SM fighters acquired from Russia, Armenia gained superiority in the sky of the Transcaucasus, where it competes with Azerbaijan.


Malta-based analyst Babak Tagway, often cited by media in military-related material, said this was bad news for Azerbaijan, since its air forces are equipped with MiG-29s and cannot withstand generation 4+ aircraft that appeared in Armenia.

Recall that Armenia signed a contract with Russia for 12 Su-30SM aircraft, four of which arrived at the Yerevan Erebuni airfield on December 27.

The importance of this acquisition for the Armenian Air Force is evidenced by the fact that Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan personally arrived to meet the military machinery and called the fighters the main acquisition of the year.

It should be noted that the fleet of fighters of the Armenian Air Force has long been in need of updating: its base was Su-27, acquired by the republic about twenty years ago.

The appearance of 4+ generation airplanes in Yerevan prompted Baku to initiate negotiations with Russia on the possibility of acquiring more advanced combat aircraft - fifth-generation Su-57 fighters.

According to information published in a number of media outlets, the start of negotiations on this issue was agreed at the highest political level.
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  1. commbatant Offline
    commbatant (Sergei) 29 December 2019 19: 22
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    Old Man Squadron, Armenians Squadron Su-30, do we have any saturation with these aircraft?

    bad news for Azerbaijan since its air force is staffed MiG-29 and can not resist the generation 4+ aircraft that appeared in Armenia

    Exactly the same “non-competitive” MiG-29s are presented by the Russian Air Force in Armenia ...
    Interestingly, the Old Man received the Su-30 at its disposal, after the latter sent the Russian Federation with its awkward request to place the armed Su-30 on the territory of the Republic of Belarus IAP IKS of the Armed Forces and the Armenians received the Su-30, after Pashinyan came to power publications appeared in the Armenian media about the withdrawal of the Russian WB from Armenia ...
    Is this our cunning plan?

    Renewing its fleet of combat aircraft with Su-30SM fighters acquired from Russia, Armenia gained superiority in the sky of the Transcaucasus, where it competes with Azerbaijan.

    Until Azerbaijan had the same or American F-35 ....
    Following the logic of the military-technical cooperation with Azerbaijan, the Russian Federation should in the future drink to Azerbaijan not a squadron, but a whole regiment of Su-30 ...
    And Armenia, to put it mildly, does not have a very developed aerodrome network, unlike Azerbaijan ...
    1. sgrabik Offline
      sgrabik (Sergei) 30 December 2019 10: 13
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      Azerbaijan should now seriously think about acquiring several squadrons of Su-35, or even Su-57, but why not ???
  2. Afinogen Offline
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 29 December 2019 19: 26
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    Recall that Armenia signed a contract with Russia for 12 Su-30SM aircraft

    Interesting movie. And where does Armenia get so much money ??? There are no oil and gas fields. They have enough money if everyone drops only on the wheel of this planelol Or, just as with Turkey, we will give a big loan, and they will buy everything with this money. But to give back the loan later, maybe if it succeeds, but no - so Russia will forgive, it is rich.
    1. Lev Andreevich Offline
      Lev Andreevich (Levon Martirosyan) 13 January 2020 19: 43
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      The oligarchic party was funded, that's the result! I think that's not all.
  3. Hayer31 Offline
    Hayer31 (Kashchei) 29 December 2019 19: 29
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    An article was written by an unknown person. The truth of the article is that Pashinyan personally met the SU-30SM link. The rest is not true.
    1. bobba94 Offline
      bobba94 (Vladimir) 29 December 2019 20: 17
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      I agree, the article was written by an uninformed person. It would be nice to listen to an informed person. Your way out, comrade Hayer31
      1. Hayer31 Offline
        Hayer31 (Kashchei) 29 December 2019 22: 40
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        The Armenians SU-27 never had.
        The airfield where they landed is not Erebuni, what else do you want to know?
  4. Binder Offline
    Binder (Miron) 29 December 2019 20: 14
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    The assumption that Azerbaijan wishes to acquire the Su-57 from the Russian Federation as a retaliatory measure was ridiculous. Why do Azerbaijanis need this awkward iron? Money, unlike the Armenians, they have, they can very well afford the F-35 squadron. And immediately the Armenian new thing will become useless ... wassat
    1. sgrabik Offline
      sgrabik (Sergei) 30 December 2019 10: 21
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      F-35 today is even more awkward iron than the Su-57, they have not yet shown any advantages during operation, by the way at all. Su-57 radars can see them well beyond 100 km, and our long-range air-to-air missiles will neutralize this star-striped bird much earlier than enemy missiles can do, and F-35 is ahead of the Su-57 by failure. so your absurd nonsense in practice has virtually no basis.
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 30 December 2019 14: 27
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        sgrabik What kind of "long-range air-to-air missiles? What type do you call? And in general, do not write nonsense, several hundred of these" absurdities "fly in full swing and successfully participate in hostilities.
      2. Binder Offline
        Binder (Miron) 30 December 2019 18: 05
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        It’s harmful for you, Mr. Good, to watch Zvezda. negative Their fragile naive souls act purely negatively. Israeli F-35s fly at full height over Syria and Iran, and the S-300 and S-400 radars simply do not see them. As for the Su-57, it, as a combat vehicle, does not exist and will not exist in the foreseeable future. Therefore, your naive assumptions about the advantages of what is not over what is actually exploited and successfully performs combat missions are meaningless. hi
        1. commbatant Offline
          commbatant (Sergei) 30 December 2019 19: 53
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          Quote: Bindyuzhnik
          It’s harmful for you, Mr. Good, to watch Zvezda. negative Their fragile naive souls act purely negatively. Israeli F-35s fly at full height over Syria and Iran, moreover, the S-300 and S-400 radars simply do not see them.

          Where does this data come from?
  5. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 December 2019 21: 30
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    Neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan needs the SU-30, SU-57, F-35 and other flying iron.
    The rearmament of the 102nd base in Gyumri was planned for a long time. These aircraft will replace the Russian SU-29. A few pieces will be handed over to Armenia. While the conversation was about 4 units. Maybe then increase the number. If Armenia scrapes money.
    This is not news for Azerbaijan. This was written at least a year ago. And planes from the territory of Armenia will not fight in Nagorno-Karabakh. In any case, they still haven’t fought.
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    And now woe to the experts on this site. Is Russia going to fight with its planes and its pilots, defending a country that is striving for NATO and against a country with which it has huge economic contracts?
    I understand why Russia has no allies.
    1. Hayer31 Offline
      Hayer31 (Kashchei) 29 December 2019 22: 47
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      Bakht, you immediately gave yourself away as an Azerbaijani, Armenian EVERYONE fought in ARTSAKH, Armenia never aspires to NATO, but you are with Turkey. Have you ever seen the SU-29 ?? These are sports planes. And the fact that Russia wants to exchange its MIG-29s in Armenia for the SU-30SM is also no secret. Wait for the news from us.
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 December 2019 00: 02
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        I never hid that I am Azerbaijani. This is known to many on the site. Yes, and by name you can guess.
        Yes, Armenia fought in Karabakh. But it was a long time ago. April battles showed that aviation was practically not used.
        And the likelihood of a full-blown conflict is now close to zero. Local skirmishes like April are possible. Neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia used their air force.
        Honestly, I am satisfied with the current state of affairs. Armenia is excluded from the economic life of the South Caucasus. And let it be boiled in its own juice.
        I was a bit wrong in a hurry. In Gyumri there are MIG-29.
        The base in Gyumri is not aimed against Azerbaijan. It's time to figure it out. This base is aimed against Turkey. And it has a very, very weak logistics. This group can be strengthened only by unblocking the Baku-Yerevan railway. Despite the proximity of Syria, they never even tried to use it as an airfield jump. Used Iranian airfields. That's why Lavrov and the Kremlin are fighting for some kind of agreement. If you unlock the railway, you can strengthen this base.
        Yes and do not forget. Any full-blown conflict will drag Turkey into it. This is not necessary for anyone. Neither Russia, nor Turkey, nor even Azerbaijan.
        And a cherry on the cake. The base in Gyumri is aimed against .... Armenia. With its help, the generals of Armenia are controlled.
        In general, there are many nuances, the result is zilch. Azerbaijan does not need a full-blown conflict, but there will be local skirmishes. If Armenia has a lot of money, even let them buy the SU-57. Personally, I do not mind.
        1. Hayer31 Offline
          Hayer31 (Kashchei) 30 December 2019 11: 51
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          Bakht, you are wrong again. MIG-29 is not in Gyumri, do not look at the line, you can see everything on Google Map where MIG 29 is located. What you say is to control the generals, again, I’m sorry, all the generals have been trained in Russia, many of them have homes in Russia. Several of them even have citizenship, just like yours, with the caveat that yours are Turkish and ours are Russian, that's the difference to you. A large-scale war may begin tomorrow. But Turkey has always been in the war in ARTSAKH, but Russia has not.
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 December 2019 12: 00
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            Everyone has their own truth. Azerbaijani generals also graduated from Soviet schools. I won’t argue about who fought where. I live here and know perfectly well who fought with whom. Turkey never fought in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    2. Ahmed Markhud Offline
      Ahmed Markhud (Ahmed Makhhud) 30 December 2019 14: 35
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      There are no Su-29 aircraft, but there is an Mig-29, a woe expert!
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 December 2019 17: 29
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        And what does that change?
  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 December 2019 09: 30
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    Do you remember how they found Maidan in Armenia ??? And all the attendants - ukrov, snipers, a biological laboratory and a crowd of agents from USA.
    And then, bang, - here’s a loan for you, here’s a weapon for this loan, and the whole Maidan has gone somewhere ...

    Here is this article about the consequences of that Maidan - weapons, money from Russia, and like, nothing happened ...
    And in Turkey too.
    Now is the turn of Azerbaijan ....
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 December 2019 12: 04
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      There are problems in Azerbaijan. And where are they not? But the situation is currently stable. All NGOs are either banned or controlled. The opposition gathers no more than 200-300 people at rallies. And, basically, these are members of the opposition parties themselves. Of course, you can always rock the situation. But not at the moment.
      Returning to the topic. 4 planes do not solve anything. Military experts say that at least 1-2 squadrons are needed. The service will eat a huge hole in the military budget of Armenia. I can repeat it. I even welcome the purchase by Armenia of such expensive equipment. In the words of D. Reagan

      We will arm you to death.
      1. bobba94 Offline
        bobba94 (Vladimir) 30 December 2019 12: 41
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        To summarize, so to speak, the results. Both patriots, real patriots, and good people, this is evident. But there are no experts, as they say on the internet, couch experts assess the situation .... like in a musher song, I sing about what I see, there are no analysts, there is no more or less clear analysis of the situation, in short, amateurs. Nothing personal, true and only true, no offense.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 December 2019 12: 59
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          We do not have complete information. But we rely on logic and common sense.
          Tell me, how is the 102nd base of Russian troops in Gyumri supplied?
          I can tell you. The BTA of Russia supplied it through the airspace of Azerbaijan (funny, but true). But recently, Azerbaijan has turned IL 76 back. Negotiations were conducted with Turkey. Turkey banned the transport of military cargo. The railway through Georgia is blocked. The railway through Azerbaijan is blocked.
          Since there is a lot of ammunition (even for exercises), we found a way out. But even Russian military experts believe that this is not an option. Too complicated and long.
          So, a simple question - how to supply a base in Armenia?
          1. Hayer31 Offline
            Hayer31 (Kashchei) 30 December 2019 16: 53
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            The base in Armenia is supplied by Armenia itself at its own expense. And the ammunition goes through Georgia. But there is also a backup route through Iran, during the conflict in 1993-94 this route was used.
          2. bobba94 Offline
            bobba94 (Vladimir) 30 December 2019 17: 13
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            How to supply base in Armenia? There is an answer, the answer is concrete (radical), but I will not voice it, because this answer will not please both sides of the dispute.
            1. Bakht Offline
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 December 2019 17: 29
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              This is not an option. And to create enemies for yourself, a lot is not necessary.
              The fact is this. The transit of military equipment through the territory of Georgia has not been carried out recently.
        2. Hayer31 Offline
          Hayer31 (Kashchei) 30 December 2019 16: 50
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          Where do you see experts! ?? My opponent gives “facts”, and I prove that he is incorrectly informed, there was no analysis of the situation. So, if not laziness, read what I wrote.
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 31 December 2019 08: 29
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            Perhaps incorrectly informed, yes.

            But the main fact is:
            First, they found the Maidan in Armenia, as soon as we gave them a loan and promised weapons, it disappeared.
            Everything was in the media.

            They have not yet found the Maidan in Azerbaijan, but just have not yet tried ...

            And about the number of aircraft, supplies - without me, I can’t follow absolutely ....
            1. Hayer31 Offline
              Hayer31 (Kashchei) 1 January 2020 02: 18
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              Unfortunately, the 3rd Maidan will be in Moscow, as the "kings" forgot that in the center of the state is a citizen, not a dollar. Even your kings keep the robbery in dollars in a hostile West.
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    Port 31 December 2019 09: 17
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    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Israeli F-35s fly at full height over Syria and Iran, and the S-300 and S-400 radars simply do not see them

    If they are circumcised, like the rest of the Zionists, is that what you see.
    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 31 December 2019 11: 41
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      Perhaps proud of their "wit", do you think it’s very funny? There is such a good saying:

      If you do not differ in mind, then at least do not stand out for stupidity.
  8. SAFARLI Offline
    SAFARLI (Cingiz Safarli) 31 December 2019 12: 11
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    The Azerbaijani Air Force in any way surpasses the Armenian Air Force, in addition,

    negotiations between Azerbaijan and Pakistan on the purchase of JF-17 Block II combat aircraft are close to completion. This was reported to the Azeri Defense magazine at the İDEAS-2018 international exhibition in Karachi by a representative of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

    The source noted that all issues related to the export of cars to Azerbaijan have already been resolved. JF-17 Blok II configuration aircraft requested by Azerbaijan passed the test.
    The Blok II versions are already in use by Pakistani military aircraft and have proven their worth in practice. They have improved avionics and electronic safety systems. They are equipped with AESA radar manufactured by China and Italy.

    According to publicly available information, these aircraft can carry guided missiles and bombs of various types.

    It is assumed that 24 such aircraft with a total cost of $ 500 million will be delivered to Azerbaijan.
    JF-17 meets all the requirements of the Azerbaijani Air Force in range and speed, combat load, maneuverability, range of target detection by radar, angular speed, multifunctionality, takeoff and landing characteristics, etc. After all, our military theater is replete with mountains, at the same time in Azerbaijan there are large plains, forests, the Caspian Sea. Azerbaijan does not need huge interceptors such as the Su-27 or F-15 Eagle to protect the country's airspace and effectively destroy both air, ground and surface targets. There are much more suitable aircraft like MIG-29, F-16, etc. - light, well-armed, highly maneuverable, capable of acting effectively at both low and high altitudes, etc.
    The versatility of this aircraft is also important - it can be used as an interceptor, attack aircraft (attack aircraft), escort fighter, reconnaissance aircraft, and front-line fighter. Thus, the presence of such a universal aircraft saves state budget funds for servicing the entire fleet, makes it simpler and more uniform, facilitates the training of pilots and technicians, and the maintenance and repair of aircraft at aerodromes.

    It is especially important that Azerbaijan, even such a plane as its Air Force, such as the JF-17, demanded to further improve it. Now they are talking about buying the JF-17 Block 3 configuration, the mass production of which will begin in late 2019 - early 2020. This version, among other things, has a refueling system in the air and a perfect radar. That is, we get a modern, highly maneuverable, powerful and well-armed fighter-bomber.
    1. Hayer31 Offline
      Hayer31 (Kashchei) 1 January 2020 02: 23
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      24 is not enough, I would buy 48 pieces in your place. Or buy it, buy it, the Aircraft Carrier would buy it, I heard that they are looking for a buyer for Kuzi.
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