Rogozin: Russia decided to return to the American project of the near-moon station

The Director General of Roscosmos clarified the situation around Russia's participation in the American “lunar project” after a series of conflicting statements.

Dmitry Rogozin said that Russia had decided to resume negotiations with the United States on participation in the creation of a near-moon station (Gateway project).

RIA News" quote the head of "Roskosmos":

We confirmed to our American colleagues who sent us the draft memorandum that we are ready to participate in the negotiations. For us, not only issues related to iron are extremely important here, but above all - with the principle. We must look for those principles that work when making complex decisions.

Recall that the agreement between Roscosmos and NASA was concluded in 2017. However, very soon there followed a series of statements from the leadership of the Russian company about the insufficiently large role that the Americans assigned to Russia in the project.

At the same time, it was unclear whether the creation of his national lunar station was included in the plans of Roscosmos.

Thus, starting from the words of Dmitry Rogozin, we can conclude that for some reason, preference is still given to the American project.

How it will be realized and what the role of Russia will be, we will find out in the coming years.
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  1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 December 2019 15: 24
    That is right. The point is not in race and confrontation, but in cooperation. Space, this place of action and the achievement of all mankind, there is absolutely no difference who achieved what, all this is common property. I understand that not everyone understands this now.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 25 December 2019 18: 59
      How many times have you already been burned? With Canadians in the 90s, a passenger airplane was going to be made on shares, followed by an engine. They poured money inadvertently, and Canadians suddenly refused to supply the engine. Yak-130 with the Italians did together. When they received enough documentation during the work, they left the project and launched into the market almost the same aircraft before us. And the Americans will be with us as long as they need us. And they will get everything they need - they will throw it.
      It is necessary to cut them off from the engines and work on their own. And then they are using our engines to launch weapons into space. On the documentation, which was worn in the 90s, the long-playing shuttle is not known with what on board they have been chasing the planet for years. It is said:

      ... worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons, only friendship with the Anglo-Saxons.
      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 December 2019 19: 07
        What do they want from us? And what kind of engines, if about RD-180, then everything is already coming to an end. And what kind of documentation? Apparently, were you present at this moment? And they, apparently, copied with the Yak-35? Yes? What other fakes do you remember?
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 25 December 2019 19: 21
          I remember these "fakes" in real time as they happened. About the Yak 130 is simply written in the wiki. About a joint plane with the Canadians, it's just too lazy to look now. About the Yak 141 no one denies that the documentation was used when working on the F 35. Again, up to Wiki. And to make on its basis a single plane for all aviation - it was generally nonsense. For this they will pay for a long time. And nothing can be done. So the fighter will look like a pregnant cow, with the same grace.
          1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 26 December 2019 06: 39
            What does grace have to do with it? Israel, for example, is very happy with this plane, and they won’t pretend to be there, they cannot use it in parades.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 27 December 2019 17: 46
              There is nothing left for Israel to do. They were forced to curtail their program.
              F35 flight performance is obvious, both visually and from tabular data. The VTOL provides a fan. In other versions, the fan itself is removed, but the dimensions remain. The power set for the fan is also not going anywhere. Under the rockets it would be necessary to have a cavity narrower, but more authentic. And it is round, under the fan. Therefore, the plane looks a little pregnant. Just look at the flight characteristics. Shameful speed, no maneuverability. In versions B and C, even the gun on the external sling.
              The Australian military identified it as a 3rd generation aircraft with elements of the fifth.
    2. cmonman Offline cmonman
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 25 December 2019 19: 22
      I understand that not everyone understands this now.

      The two are already incomprehensible, both set Minus.
      Rogozin is a little cunning. Russia left this program, itself and voluntarily, when it refused to be a “carrier of shells” for the docking station. Russia wanted to develop and install its own, and NASA said it would install its own and all that was needed from Russia was “nuts / screws / screws”.
      Of course, I exaggerate a little, but there were still problems with the deadlines - Russia did not submit the technical project on time or what - NASA did not really like this delay. In short, Russia jumped off the NASA project and decided to create its own lunar project. Whether Russia has enough money for both is unclear.
      But NASA's program, Artemis, is truly international. Canada creates a hand that will catch and moor ships to the station -

      Japanese officials have expressed interest in providing logistics services for Gateway with the new-generation HTV-X cargo ship, which will be launched on the new Japanese H3 rocket, debuting at the end of next year.

      The European Space Agency will receive approval from its member countries at the end of this year to participate in the Moon Exploration Initiative, and a senior Russian space agency spokesman said Monday that the Russian government is still figuring out how it can support the lunar program.

      In short, Rogozin wants to participate, but what roles he does not know. Rather, he knows that he will not be allowed to develop the node, because they don’t hope that they will do it on time (nearby 2024), and pride will not allow them to catch it. My opinion is just his blah blah blah, “we wanted, but they didn’t take us ...”
  2. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 25 December 2019 19: 13
    In this message, Rogozin should (according to the rules of the genre) add that now Russia will deliver its cosmonauts to the near-moon station exclusively with the help of trampolines ...
    1. xilia72 Offline xilia72
      xilia72 (xantos) 25 December 2019 21: 38
      Trampolines for the Russian Federation can only be in the future (it will show the result of Putin's rule), but for now all the others will dance on trampolines.
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  4. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 26 December 2019 05: 14
    At first it was like this:

    ... an agreement between Roscosmos and NASA has been concluded yet in 2017 year. However very soon followed a number of statements from the leadership of the Russian company about the insufficient role that the Americans assigned to Russia in the project

    Now it has become like this:

    Dmitry Rogozin reported that Russia has decided to resume negotiations with the United States about participation in the creation of a near-moon station (Gateway project)

    But in general, it was like that.
    Rogozi comrades were offended at first for the fact that the United States picked up the wrong caliber to participate in the project. Well, naturally, they swore, waved their hand, maybe rolled a stoparik. And, scratching the back of their head, they issued: "Come on, Anglo-Saxons. We ourselves with a mustache. And we ourselves will fly to the moon."
    After weathering of alcoholic vapors and restoration of sobriety of thinking (albeit rather primitive), Rogozi comrades, taking into account the advice given by people more or less knowledgeable in the matter (it is not surprising - these are ordinary "sixes" should know the subject of activity, and the boss just needs to be "his own" with the higher management. So it was with Rogozya), at last "mastered" that Russian caliber in this case against the background of the US caliber - like a Makarov pistol against a machine gun (also shoots, but weakly).
    And that their plans to conquer the universe will remain on paper.
    So we decided to offer to work together in order to somehow try "not to fall out of the cage."
    PS What is there to be offended, by Senka and hat.
  5. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 26 December 2019 05: 23
    Quote: boriz
    worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons only friendship with the Anglo-Saxons

    Well, whatever one may say, but in order to live without the Anglo-Saxons, the Russian Federation needs to move to another planet.
    But she is unlikely to have enough attendants for this.
  6. yuriy55 Offline yuriy55
    yuriy55 (Yuri Vasilievich) 26 December 2019 07: 58
    Rogozin: Russia decided to return to the American project of the near-moon station

    It was such traitors who destroyed the USSR and destroyed the country's industry, turning it into a raw materials appendage of the West.
  7. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 26 December 2019 13: 43
    A waste of effort: States will not help with the exploration of the moon, and only delay time.
  8. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 26 December 2019 18: 52
    Quote: yuriy55
    .. such traitors destroyed the USSR and destroyed the country's industry.

    What are you, what are you. This "frame" is just a small fry, brought to a more or less significant position already in the XNUMXs.
    And those that destroyed the USSR and its industrial potential were achieved - please:

    - M. Gorbachev - now they don’t swear or mint, once a week he drinks beer together with Venediktov;
    - A. Chubais is one of the ideologues of privatization as a method of "driving nails into the lid of the coffin of communism / socialism." And what, he was punished somehow? As always, "transferred to another position";
    - Other small samples from the same cohort - the same A. Shokhin, who at one time traveled to the States with Chubais to study "economic intelligence." And many, many others.

    So, at the Infallible they all live and live in peace, collect "loot".