Baltic Front: how NATO can make Russia “attack” first


It’s becoming increasingly difficult not to notice NATO’s preparations for war. They are so obvious that they don’t even have to talk directly about it. policy and diplomats, and the chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, Valery Gerasimov. It is clear that Russia has been designated an enemy of the alliance. So where can this military clash take place?


It’s important for the United States to derogatoryly “click on the nose” of Russia, but so that a nuclear war does not follow. The task is extremely difficult, but in principle feasible. The armed conflict between NATO and our country must be local and non-nuclear, and it is important for the West to initially blame Russia for it, which should act as an aggressor. Therefore, the most likely theater of operations is considered to be the Baltic states.

This region contains several vulnerable pain points for Moscow at once, a blow to which will force the Kremlin not only to “worry”, but also to react with military force.

At first, this is the Russian population of the three "Baltic sisters." In fact, it is held "hostage" by the West. And today, the situation of Russians in the former Soviet republics is unenviable, but on the go-ahead from Washington, the situation could worsen dramatically. On ethnic grounds, the risk of conflicts and clashes will increase. Brutal provocations by local nationalists are possible, the Russian minority will be forced to defend itself.

No scenarios are possible, including with the formation of certain “republics” and requests to “send troops”. And if the Baltic security forces begin to crush Russian tanks, under the cameras, provocatively, the Kremlin will have no choice but to react in a forceful way in one form or another.

Secondly, our Kaliningrad region is under constant threat. It is crammed with Russian military and latest weapons, representing Moscow's stronghold in Europe. Most likely, there will be no direct attack on this territorial exclave of a nuclear power. But there is also room for provocation. Speeches by local supporters of integration with the EU, the so-called “Konigsberg”, are possible.

Recall that the Kaliningrad region is cut off from other Russia, its whole life is somehow tied to neighboring European countries. After the collapse of the USSR, a whole new generation of Russians appeared there who have never been to the “big” Russia, but who visit, study or work in Germany or Poland. In 2014, the prospect of "European integration" turned the heads of Ukrainians. Are there any guarantees that Kaliningrad youth processed by foreign NGOs will not be flattered by European passports in the event of “Koenigsberg returning to their home harbor”?

No one says that they will be allowed to do this, but similar demonstrations themselves, organized from the outside, their dispersal and subsequent mass protests, may become a pretext for the intervention of neighboring European countries concerned about the "violation of human rights." In Berlin, they will talk about whether to buy gas from Russia. The situation may be specially heated by provocations. Further, there are various scenarios, including the blockade of Kaliningrad and the creation of a no-fly zone above it with a view to a “peaceful settlement”.

It is not a fact that everything will happen in this way, and whether it will happen at all, but the Baltic States are by far the most painful point for Russia. If the West aims to provoke Moscow to introduce troops, they will press until all "concerns" are over, and then they will have to act.
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  1. g1washntwn Offline g1washntwn
    g1washntwn (George Washington) 25 December 2019 14: 28
    +8
    It has been said a hundred times about the blockade of the Kaliningrad region - this will mean the beginning of a great war, without options for pausing. A limited conflict with a nuclear country in general can only be born with an inflamed consciousness. You can’t be a little pregnant, if it were the other way round, the Americans would bomb North Korea and Iran with their democracy, and wouldn’t rush all over the BV, covering their Igil proxy (if we consider their nonsense about a collision with the Russian Federation in neutral territory). About Russian-speaking people living in the Baltic non-brotherly countries, too, they do not go to the mainland, which means they are satisfied with such a disempowered position.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 25 December 2019 15: 41
      0
      G. WashingtonLet’s still hope that Sergei Marzhetsky’s proposals will not reach NATO and will not be read there.
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 25 December 2019 18: 14
      +3
      Zhorik, I, unlike you, have a slightly different vision of the situation.
      About firstly - when the secession of the Baltic territories from the USSR began, then HOW ONLY THE RUSSIANS THERE WERE NOT TALKING THERE !!!!! If only they supported the coup - and that Russian schools will work without restrictions, and bilingualism, and equal rights ... In general, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING !!! ... The result is known to us - SUPPORTED, COL0CHI!!! Now what? And now they are howling - "Russia, help !!"? What did you think before? What did you think when you were fed a LIE ??? ) I (0th0th they thought! They thought that by sending Russia (USSR de facto) they would be loved by those who Initially considered them "occupiers"? So the point is that THEY (these same "Russians") DIDN'T REALIZE THEIR MISTAKES AND TODAY !!! It is believed that THEN they did the right thing by betraying their Great Homeland !! ............ ushlepki, in general .....
      Now on Secondly - Kaliningrad ... If the Russian leadership does not carelessly treat such "horses" and immediately HARDLY press these gavriks (for the rest of science), then back and forth. But if he lisps with them, then ... the devil knows how it can end ...
      Now about the "non-nuclear armed conflict" - the GDP made it clear at once to the "specialists from behind a puddle" - WE WILL NOT COMPETE IN THE NUMBER AND QUALITY OF THE ARMED WITH NATO - IMMEDIATELY HIT Nuclear weapons "ON THE DECISION-MAKING CENTERS"! Read - by arrival ARRIVAL FIRST!
      Regarding the screams from "enlightened Europe" - send in three letters ... however, at the same time it is necessary to put every filth in the stall ... And this can already be taken as an example from the "city on the hill" and our "liberal community" poke your nose into it ASAP!
      And to warn the West clearly and clearly - FUCK, FUCK IN ALL "STRICT OF SOCIALIST LAW" !!!
      PS ... plus from me ...
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 26 December 2019 01: 06
        +3
        As for the Russians in the Baltics, I completely agree. Himself originally from there, but left a long time ago. There are enough relatives there. Voted for independence. And especially there language pressure and the EU "does not see". And it won't get better. But I can hardly imagine taking them out into the street. Will endure.
        That's just the situation is developing in the other direction. Soon the Balts themselves will want us. The EU will no longer help them, their problems, transit ends. There will be a desert reserve of senior citizens. Russia simply does not need to. There will soon be more Ukrainians than locals. They are already turning into a problem, judging by the local media.
        1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 26 December 2019 06: 54
          -4
          Soon the Balts themselves will want us.

          - Where did you get this from? I have huge doubts. A lot of emigrants from the Baltic States in the Russian Federation? I personally have not heard of any.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 26 December 2019 07: 23
            +2
            Come to Voronezh, I will personally introduce you ... Russians who have moved from Latvia to Russia do not regret ...
            1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 26 December 2019 08: 47
              -6
              I fully admit that you are lucky. So when you personally will have at least 5 such acquaintances, write, please.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 26 December 2019 09: 03
                +4
                I have 4 such acquaintances, a family of 4 people ... This whole Baltic region is scattering, some in the EU, some in the Russian Federation, there is no work there, and the prices, including utilities, are frantic.
                1. Jack clubs Offline Jack clubs
                  Jack clubs (Eugene) 30 December 2019 12: 15
                  0
                  So this is where the reconstruction of the country should begin. Missiles, the army and the navy are a wonderful thing, but they themselves do not solve absolutely anything.
                  A good job, affordable housing and confidence in the future decide. Then there will be children and adults who want to live in Russia. From Vladivostok to Leningrad, including Belarus and Ukraine, the Baltic states and all the republics of the Caucasus and Central Asia.
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 December 2019 12: 36
                    +4
                    Without a strong army, your children will become rotting meat thrown without burial. Russia is not Kyrgyzstan. Isn’t it time for you to understand that the USSR is no more ?! The FSB in St. Petersburg again detained 5 people from your supposedly fraternal republics of the former USSR who were preparing another terrorist attack in St. Petersburg! Do you want to live with them in one country !? Ask the population of the Russian Federation better, in a referendum, if it wants this ?! The indigenous population of the Russian Federation, and not the Basmachi with Bandera, whom all sorts of accomplices of bandits in the Russian Federation are allowed into!
            2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 30 December 2019 09: 27
              -1
              Sapsan, and when these "Russians" voted for secession from the USSR - what were they thinking?
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 December 2019 10: 00
                +3
                Do you believe that someone asked them and the vote, where at every polling station they were driven by locals who were sick with Russophobia Natsik, was honest ?! Blessed is he who believes ... Of course, there were those who only had a surname in Russian, and now they are, but not all of them.
          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 26 December 2019 12: 23
            +2
            They will not want to move, but, as before, the whole crowd on our neck. Without changing the place of residence.
            1. Jack clubs Offline Jack clubs
              Jack clubs (Eugene) 30 December 2019 12: 24
              0
              But of course, you are our breadwinner! You will now have to sow, reap, feed pigs, milk cows, etc. twice as much. After all, all Kaliningraders, as one - armless, one you in all of Russia - a plowman!
              If there were people, there would be wealth. This can be seen in China.
              And only in Russia we are smart people like you. Everyone is afraid that something in our country will not be enough for someone, someone will gobble up and end. And we live like goons, regardless of state and residence.
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 30 December 2019 16: 21
                +1
                And who spoke about Kaliningraders? It's about Tribaltia.
          3. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
            sgrabik (Sergei) 26 December 2019 15: 57
            0
            Well, if you didn’t hear, then this does not mean that there is no this problem, you should not make a great connoisseur and strategist out of yourself here.
      2. Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
        Dzafdet (Sergei) 26 December 2019 11: 53
        +3
        I agree with you completely. The Russians in Chukhonia were lured by European gingerbread and a sweet life. They voted and the trap slammed shut. All. Arrived.
  2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 December 2019 14: 38
    -8
    Make the attack first.

    - This is already something completely new.
  3. Port Offline Port
    Port 25 December 2019 16: 04
    -1
    There are no Russians there who wanted to — left, those who like to be second grade, let them be.
  4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 December 2019 16: 11
    +1
    Quote: g1washntwn
    It has been said a hundred times about the blockade of the Kaliningrad region - this will mean the beginning of a great war, without options for pausing. A limited conflict with a nuclear country in general can only be born with an inflamed consciousness

    And another 100 times they said that there would be no gas transit through Ukraine and Gazprom would not pay fines.
    Grow up already, finally.
    1. g1washntwn Offline g1washntwn
      g1washntwn (George Washington) 26 December 2019 09: 08
      +2
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      And another 100 times they said that there would be no gas transit through Ukraine and Gazprom would not pay fines. Grow up already, finally.

      What does the gas have to do with it? No need to push the cube into the round hole. Even if this was an economic way of pressure, he did not go beyond the demonstration of intentions (and whose decision to cut the branch under him was a big question). Commerce overpowered the politics.
      About Kaliningrad: Not so long ago, the Americans themselves admitted that all their scenarios of "limited hostilities" and "limited use of low-yield nuclear weapons" ended at the point where the conflict was to be de-escalated. Any of their scenarios led to a response from the Russian Federation, already tactical, and then strategic nuclear weapons. Even the conventional version of a direct collision in the SAR. That is why they are now frantically trying to invent ways to coerce their interests, which have nothing to do with armed clashes. The focus of sanctions is shifting directly from the Russian Federation to the environment (which will still bring a lot of pleasure to European partners and others), the Voice of America in radios becomes more technological and goes into projects like OneWeb, etc. etc. To do little mischief and wait for Russia to make a mistake in order to kick the already fallen one - this is the whole historical strategy of the Anglo-Saxons, and not to attack the Kremlin with a saber, then crawl away with knocked out teeth. They teach history, although they try to rewrite its conclusions for themselves.
  5. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 December 2019 16: 12
    0
    Quote: Port
    There are no Russians there who wanted to — left, those who like to be second grade, let them be.

    So the Russians don’t abandon their own. recourse
    And what is the fundamental difference between Russians in the Donbass and Russians in the Baltic states?
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 25 December 2019 18: 25
      0
      Sergei, how did these "Russians" betray their homeland? Already then!
    2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
      Piramidon (Stepan) 26 December 2019 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      So the Russians don’t leave their

      There are some "friends" that are worse than strangers.
  6. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 December 2019 16: 19
    +2
    Quote: Arkharov
    "Making you attack first" is something completely new.

    I can add to your vocabulary the synonym "provoke".
    Nothing "new", well forgotten old.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 25 December 2019 21: 15
      0
      Marzhecki, what do you propose to do with the provocateur, i.e. with NATO?
  7. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 December 2019 16: 23
    0
    Quote: Port
    There are no Russians there who wanted to — left, those who like to be second grade, let them be.

    Let's be consistent in your logic.
    That is, the Russians in Ukraine, who stayed and did not leave, are they not Russians anymore? To preserve their Russianness, they need to leave Ukraine for Russia, right?
  8. Port Offline Port
    Port 25 December 2019 16: 28
    +3
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    ... that is, the Russians in Ukraine, who stayed and did not leave, are they not Russians anymore?

    These are completely different things, people wanted capitalism - they got it, in the USA there are also "Russians" in bulk, and so what.
    PS If Ivanov voluntarily becomes Ivanauskas, why bother him.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 26 December 2019 01: 24
      +8
      They didn't want capitalism, they wanted freebies. All republics in the USSR fared better than Russia. It was firmly convinced that native Russians were fools and drunkards. All the Russians in the republics decided that it was better - away from Mother Russia. Where life is more satisfying. It was true in the Baltic states. Until Putin showed up. They parasitized on Russian transit, white and "black" for another 20 - 25 years. During the war in Serbia, they went too far and refused to ship our oil products to Serbia. Like, the EU prohibits, although they themselves were not in the EU. Well, they gave me a shot at the future. And then Putin came. Ust Luga, etc. The transit began to end. Their railways are on the verge of profitability, soon the tracks will be dismantled and the stations closed. So, we didn't get to where we wanted to go. We got into capitalism. And they wanted something for free.
      1. gore Offline gore
        gore (Alexander) 26 December 2019 05: 56
        0
        ... soon the ways will begin to be taken apart ...

        - and take it to Russia for scrap ...
        1. Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
          Dzafdet (Sergei) 26 December 2019 11: 56
          -1
          No, they sell ways to China ...
      2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 26 December 2019 16: 09
        0
        What they wanted, they got it, only the result came out as a result of some sad, not at all the one they were counting on !!!
  9. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
    molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 25 December 2019 16: 47
    +7
    Why enter the Kaliningrad region. troops, they are already there. And in order not to notice the pug, you just need not to integrate with the raw materials appendage, but to become self-sufficient, and spit on everyone from your bell tower.
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 26 December 2019 06: 57
      -4
      You just do not have to integrate a raw materials appendage

      - Who are you talking about? Baltic States, or what? !!
  10. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 25 December 2019 17: 12
    +2
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    The Baltic States is definitely the most painful point for Russia.

    How did the Baltic states (pain point) appear on the territory (body) of the Russian Federation and become our pain?
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 25 December 2019 18: 28
      -2
      Gray, they have a geography problem ...
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 26 December 2019 01: 57
      +1
      Well, Kaliningrad - the Baltic states, from St. Petersburg to Ivangorod - the Baltic states.
  11. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 25 December 2019 20: 05
    0
    "I look in the book - I see a fig." This is about your comments.

    It’s becoming increasingly difficult not to notice NATO’s preparations for war. They are so obvious that even politicians and diplomats are forced to speak directly about this, but Valery Gerasimov, chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

    The author correctly identified the conflict point of the future. And there is no need to become personal, otherwise it will be a shame, and you will mow down like a fool, just not to apologize. We already have such "clowns" on our site.
    Our president NEVER comes in with "trump cards", he only fights back with "trump cards". Therefore, Russia is everywhere only in the role of playing back, even where there is an advantageous position. Provocations will be required !!
  12. akvanavt98 Offline akvanavt98
    akvanavt98 (Alexander) 26 December 2019 05: 45
    -4
    Quote: A.Lex
    Zhorik, I, unlike you, have a slightly different vision of the situation.
    About firstly - when the secession of the Baltic territories from the USSR began, then HOW ONLY THE RUSSIANS THERE WERE NOT TALKING THERE !!!!! If only they supported the coup - and that Russian schools will work without restrictions, and bilingualism, and equal rights ... In general, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING !!! ... The result is known to us - SUPPORTED, COL0CHI!!! Now what? And now they are howling - "Russia, help !!"? What did you think before? What did you think when you were fed a LIE ??? ) I (0th0th they thought! They thought that by sending Russia (USSR de facto) they would be loved by those who Initially considered them "occupiers"? So the point is that THEY (these same "Russians") DIDN'T REALIZE THEIR MISTAKES AND TODAY !!! It is believed that THEN they did the right thing by betraying their Great Homeland !! ............ ushlepki, in general .....
    Now on Secondly - Kaliningrad ... If the Russian leadership does not carelessly treat such "horses" and immediately HARDLY press these gavriks (for the rest of science), then back and forth. But if he lisps with them, then ... the devil knows how it can end ...
    Now about the "non-nuclear armed conflict" - the GDP made it clear at once to the "specialists from behind a puddle" - WE WILL NOT COMPETE IN THE NUMBER AND QUALITY OF THE ARMED WITH NATO - IMMEDIATELY HIT Nuclear weapons "ON THE DECISION-MAKING CENTERS"! Read - by arrival ARRIVAL FIRST!
    Regarding the screams from "enlightened Europe" - send in three letters ... however, at the same time it is necessary to put every filth in the stall ... And this can already be taken as an example from the "city on the hill" and our "liberal community" poke your nose into it ASAP!
    And to warn the West clearly and clearly - FUCK, FUCK IN ALL "STRICT OF SOCIALIST LAW" !!!
    PS ... plus from me ...

    You write beautifully, but you don’t understand how and how people lived here in those years. Russian-speaking, who is this? Workers and families who came on Komsomol permits to build something, create a nuclear shield of the motherland, an oil industry, textile workers, and damn it from all over the Union. And in the nineties, the KGB missed the organization of the Baltic chain and the bunching of political prostitutes. And interestingly, it became the basis for separation. No guys, you threw us here! Yes, even gangsters began to muzzle the Baltic states. Well, damn 90s /, there were more than we would like. And to whom should people go for protection? So sit and do not star. Everything is completely ambiguous. Now, of course, everyone is looking at BB with hope. Can’t our land be called Crimea, too? Northern.
    1. akvanavt98 Offline akvanavt98
      akvanavt98 (Alexander) 26 December 2019 06: 28
      +1
      We did a lot of funny things at our plant: TMN-200, TMN-500, TMN-10000 turbo molecular pumps for vacuum. On magnetic couplings. All sorts of devices and devices for working with isotopes. Batteries for beacons and reconnaissance buoys, 10 years warranty. "Agatha" for irradiation of cancerous tumors, to death. I remember, refrigerators for descent vehicles. Greetings to Korolev. And much more. 3% of Estonians are in the city, now they distribute pensions and indicate how to live in the European Union. In the twenties and thirties of that century, this already happened. Enterprises were cut and scrapped. Deja vu, damn it.
      1. akvanavt98 Offline akvanavt98
        akvanavt98 (Alexander) 26 December 2019 06: 43
        0
        Well, then exactly on the quotes of Joseph. Over a generation, they will not know their story and will turn into a crowd, and then into a herd.
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 30 December 2019 09: 44
        0
        Sasha, what did you want when you were integrated into Europe? They do not need competitors!
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 30 December 2019 09: 42
      0
      Eh Sasha, Sasha ... Apparently, you did not live at that time or do not remember from your childhood at that time ... I remember very well how they showed this "Maidan" Baltic ... So, everyone tried to persuade YOU there. , even ameri blew in your ears. And YOU listened to all of them with open mouths, but most importantly - BELIEVED. One (local) - believed, because how can you not trust the AUTHORITIES? (naturally, you couldn't even think that they were shape-shifters - WE WERE ALL SO TRAINED!) ... But still - you believed the provocateurs ... That the central government reacted to such a rejection of a part territory of the USSR slipshod ... this is a question for Mishka-tagged, this stupid traitor who should have been put up against the wall for such a policy ... But, apparently, the authorities at the top are so rotten that even the KGB didn’t know what it was " the branch "was the trigger for the disintegration of the country ...
      If you were an adult and an understanding person (and if YOU HAVE A LOT OF THERE) - why didn’t you go out for YOUR PROTEST against separation ??? Or maybe because YOU EVERYTHING IS SET UP ??? As there is in verse:

      Ah, it's not difficult to deceive me! ..
      I'm happy to deceive myself!


      (although this is on a different topic, it is also suitable here).
  13. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 26 December 2019 06: 36
    +4
    The genocide of the Russian people in the Baltic states and the attempt to squeeze the territory of the Russian Federation will not give NATO the right to blame the beginning of the war of the Russian Federation, although they will do just that, with any development of events ... According to the military doctrine, which the Russian Federation does not hide, the war against the Russian Federation is 2 or more states leads to the fact that the Russian Federation uses nuclear weapons against them.
    1. akvanavt98 Offline akvanavt98
      akvanavt98 (Alexander) 26 December 2019 07: 13
      0
      And say it all in one long sentence.
  14. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 December 2019 10: 56
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Baltic Front: how NATO can make Russia “attack” first

    Quote: A.Lex
    Sergei, how did these "Russians" betray their homeland? Already then!

    Russians in Ukraine also voted for independence from Russia. So why then should we protect them and rush with the Donbass? I just urge to be consistent.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 26 December 2019 16: 49
      +2
      You may have forgotten, and in 2014. Putin officially asked Donbass not to hold a referendum. Zavaruha Shooters started with the company. And then, about a year and a half, there were big problems to recruit people into the militia. This later, when enough pregnant women, children and the elderly were killed, the people were imbued. Now it’s not customary to recall this. Again, out of political correctness.
      And Putin was more interested in leaving the Donbass in Ukraine. In this case, the electoral field would be very different. For, now the inhabitants of Donbass are not voting, neither those who stayed at home and fled to the Russian Federation, nor those who fled to Ukraine. The latter either have problems with voting, or are afraid to vote across the official course.
      And the question is: who paid Strelkov?
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 30 December 2019 09: 51
      +1
      Sergei, the "Russians" in the Baltics - they let themselves be persuaded and believed their local shape-shifters ... and they still sit in silence (apparently, they like it when they are ENCOUNTERED and READY TO BELIEVE those who persuade them). But Donbass ... having believed THIS once, tasted all the charm of such a "truth" and failed to "persuade" them again - therefore, the Russian Federation did not abandon them NOW (and the government is now a little different, but there would have been a Bear-tagged with Borka- drunk ... who knows ... maybe everything would have been cleaned up there already 4 years ago).
  15. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 December 2019 11: 00
    +1
    Quote: isofat
    Marzhecki, what do you propose to do with the provocateur, i.e. with NATO?

    The best thing is not to make it happen. But for this, NATO must be 100% sure that the Kremlin will use nuclear weapons in case of anything.
    I'm afraid to screw up, but I have some doubts that our "elites" are really ready for such a scenario. Only in words.
    The West will be convinced of the seriousness of Moscow’s intentions if we stop withdrawing money into the Western economy, begin industrialization, transfer the economy to military tracks, deal with some neighbors, instead of fawning over them. And then the attitude to the country will be different.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 26 December 2019 16: 43
      +3
      transfer the economy to war

      Forgive me, why are you going on a military track? The large-scale rearmament of the army is coming to an end, the emphasis is shifting to the navy, military expenditures are decreasing, if I am not mistaken, we will soon be in 9th place. What does the armed forces lack so much that they need to get on the "war rails"?

      we’ll deal with some neighbors, instead of fawning in front of them.

      If you are not so comfortable with this state of affairs, you can make your own contribution to it yourself. As far as I know, volunteers are not being persecuted. There is an opportunity not to fawn, but to prove yourself a real fighter. But it's a little different, right? Writing on the Internet is more convenient and safer; you don’t have to go to battle.

      And then the attitude to the country will be different.

      Then the attitude from the country and fellow citizens will be different. We are so short of reports from the front line.
  16. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 December 2019 11: 03
    0
    Quote: Sapsan136
    The genocide of the Russian people in the Baltic states and an attempt to overcome the territory of the Russian Federation will not give NATO the right to blame the beginning of the war of the Russian Federation

    These actions can provoke Russia to retaliate, which may be declared the beginning of the war.
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  18. Roarv Offline Roarv
    Roarv (Robert) 26 December 2019 12: 19
    +1
    This verbiage is based on the theories of couch strategists ... and NATO generals who were involved only in the suppression of any minor conflicts.
    Somehow they asked the general, major, lieutenant and private how to stop the global conflict ...... there was only one answer - test the Nuclear Weapons and arrange as close as possible after the explosion a trip to politicians and generals and other experts .....
    Immediately at once the brains become in place and everyone’s thoughts keep the peace ..
    Well, if the NATO Hawks do not want to calm down and extend the START treaty, INF Treaty, it is time to get ready to conduct Operation Anadyr - Cuba in the same place, Venezuela in the same place, reset several Regiments with Missiles and create parity in flight time between Missiles and the enemy.
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 26 December 2019 17: 08
      -3
      It would be useful for some here who write comments on the site for at least some understanding of what a possible nuclear war is:

      ... test the Nuclear Weapon and arrange the walk as close as possible after the explosion ...

      - so that not quite, to put it mildly, understanding, have less such rhetoric:

      WE WILL NOT COMPETE IN THE NUMBER AND QUALITY OF THE ARMED WITH NATO - IMMEDIATELY HIT NAO "ON THE DECISION-MAKING CENTERS!"

      Read - according to the measures ARRIVES FIRST! Comments are redundant.
  19. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 26 December 2019 13: 28
    +1
    Now we need to find such methods of warfare that do not require significant material costs. And that means cyber weapons, shutting down and putting down the energy infrastructure. The use of UAVs for the destruction of power lines, pipelines and bases with fuel. Those. anaconda method, implicit strangulation.
  20. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 26 December 2019 14: 00
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    The author portrayed Russia as a country that, succumbing to provocations, will start a world war. This is not so, the aggressor is the United States, not Russia. We all remember the promises of the Dobra empire not to expand NATO "not an inch to the east."

    The head of our state explained that

    we are ready to use nuclear weapons only when we make sure that the potential aggressor strikes our territory.
  21. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 26 December 2019 16: 30
    +3
    And today, the situation of Russians in the former Soviet republics is unenviable, but on the go-ahead from Washington, the situation could worsen dramatically.

    Nobody has canceled the voluntary resettlement program yet.

    https://xn--b1aew.xn--p1ai/folder/8365390

    No scenarios are possible, including with the formation of certain “republics” and requests to “send troops”.

    Not agreed with Moscow, that is, organized by Western intelligence agencies? Do you seriously think that troops will be introduced at such a request?

    And if the Baltic security forces begin to crush Russian tanks, under the cameras, provocatively, the Kremlin will have no choice but to react in a forceful way in one form or another.

    That's it, in one or other uniform, you would throw all the troops into battle winked

    But there is also room for provocation. Speeches by local supporters of integration with the EU, the so-called “Konigsberg”, are possible.

    You believe that the training and active work of the "activists" will remain unnoticed or they will not be able to resist the power structures of the region, which

    crammed with Russian military and latest weapons

    In Berlin, they will talk about whether to buy gas from Russia.

    Maybe they will speak if they are strangled completely. The Germans know how to count, and while rationalism prevails. They could talk about this after the Crimea.

    there are various scenarios, including the blockade of Kaliningrad and the creation of a no-fly zone above it with a view to a "peaceful settlement."

    Do you think they had the opportunity to realize this? The blockade of the region of a nuclear power is tantamount to declaring war, those wishing to start have already lined up?

    The Baltic States is definitely the most painful point for Russia.

    With what, excuse me, a fright?

    If the West aims to provoke Moscow to introduce troops, they will press until all "concerns" are over, and then they will have to act.

    And what have they been doing in Ukraine for 5 years? Do you collect chamomiles?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 26 December 2019 17: 03
      +4
      And what have they been doing in Ukraine for 5 years?

      And who's talking about 5 years? The occupation of Ukraine took place on 07.05.1992/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      Read: PLEASURE

      between the Department of Ukraine and the Department of the United States of America about humanities and technical and economic sprivrobitnitsvo

      http://search.ligazakon.ua/l_doc2.nsf/link1/MU92168U.html

      In Russian, finding it is problematic. But translating with an auto-translator is no problem.
      Any employee of the US government has the status of a diplomat according to the Vienna Agreements of 1961. And all doubts arising about this should be interpreted ONLY in favor of confirming this status.
      Everything that happens within the framework of this agreement (which means everything that happens at all with the filing of the USA) is not taxed, paid, paid for landing / take-off of the aircraft and navigation ...
      And they can, asking no one, check anything in Ukraine. Even within 3 years after termination of the agreement.
      If Ukraine is not a colony, then what is a colony?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 26 December 2019 18: 45
        +2
        And who's talking about 5 years? The occupation of Ukraine took place on 07.05.1992/XNUMX/XNUMX.

        I mean, 5 years trying to provoke the introduction of troops.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 26 December 2019 21: 46
          0
          They had come to exercises and "guests" before.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 27 December 2019 17: 32
            +4
            Yes. And not only in Ukraine. I meant that for five years they have been working closely on the deployment of our troops. yes
  22. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 26 December 2019 16: 55
    +1
    And if the Baltic security forces begin to crush Russian tanks, under the cameras

    Do the Baltic states have tanks?
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 26 December 2019 18: 44
      +3
      Do the Baltic states have tanks?

      Yes. In Latvia. T-55. 3 pieces ..... Czechs presented. winked
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  26. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 28 December 2019 00: 28
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    In short, it turns out that the Baltic states will begin to crush Russian antique tanks (all three, one per republic) in order to provoke the Russian Federation into a military operation against these republics. In 10 days at most, if you start from Narva, the Russian army will reach the Polish border. Then, according to the plan, the valiant NATO forces should expel the Russian army from the Baltic states, that is, both armies must go in the opposite direction. The RF Armed Forces have repeatedly held staff games, according to the scenario of which superior forces attack the European part of the country, the Russian Federation begins to retreat and uses tactical nuclear weapons. That is, the Balts in their right mind and good memory want two armies going back and forth across their territory with a high probability of using nuclear weapons. Why do they need it? The use of tactical nuclear weapons is likely to go into the use of strategic nuclear weapons. For the sake of what all this is to Europeans and Americans. What goals can be worth the effort and sacrifice?

    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 30 December 2019 10: 00
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      Oleg, NATO members are so sure that "Russia will not dare"! They still live in this fairy tale!
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 30 December 2019 10: 33
        0
        What dare not? Apply nuclear weapons? I don’t think there are people who want to check.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 30 December 2019 10: 53
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          Yes they think so! You read their statements. They are unshakably convinced that it was they who won the Midway IIMB. And that Aloizycha banged in 1944 Brad Pete. These are morons. But morons have problems with reality - they live in their own world!
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 31 December 2019 00: 29
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            Of course, unlike you, I don’t read the American press. But I strongly doubt that many believe in the victory of Brad Pete.
            That is, stupid people defeated the USSR in the Cold War? The whole world is dancing to the tune, including the Russian Federation? Who then is everyone else? Holiday greetings!
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 2 January 2020 22: 12
              +1
              Oleg, ... how would it be more polite to explain to you ... those who "worked" on the collapse of the USSR in the x / v, were UNSPECIFIED when the USSR collapsed, although they strove for it. You read the published materials-memories ... read it. Or do you think that we do not know that the reason for the collapse of the USSR was the betrayal of the elites?
              In addition, the specialists at Amer time and the present - heaven and earth! Do not confuse people.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 January 2020 00: 51
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                Do you want to say the USSR fell apart without outside help? I do not quite agree, not a small part of the resources of the USSR was spent on external confrontation. These resources could extend the country's existence. But one should not overestimate the external influence in this process.
                As for the specialists, I cannot judge, it must be in the "topic". But I know for sure that the reason for Germany's defeat in WWII was the underestimation of the German elites and "specialists" of their opponents, especially the USSR.
                The whole world is dancing to the American tune. It is difficult to believe that D. (I, unlike you, for some reason is forbidden to write this word) could bend the whole world.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 4 January 2020 01: 15
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                  Oleg Rambover, and you still don’t want to believe in Perestroika? It was said - perestroika, new thinking ...
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 January 2020 10: 48
                    0
                    Uh ... what?
                    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 5 January 2020 21: 16
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                      laughing laughing laughing I laughed at that too! Believe in "perestroika"? It's yeah! laughing laughing laughing
                      And about the underestimation - here you are right! Amer underestimated the IDITISM of our elites, they did not assume that our elites would easily fall for deceit, a lie! And on the collapse of the USSR, of course, the measures worked, but the deciding factor was precisely the betrayal of the elites!
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 6 January 2020 13: 00
                        0
                        Here, rather, on the contrary, they overestimated the possibility of the Soviet elites, and it is better to overestimate the enemy than underestimate.
                        The elite cannot resist the consolidated desire of citizens. If the citizens of the USSR really wanted to save him, no elite would be able to ruin him. In fact, only members of the State Emergency Committee tried to do something.
                        And again, if the USSR ruled IDENTS, who are all the other citizens of the USSR, if such people were allowed to rule them?
                      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                        A.Lex (Secret information) 7 January 2020 12: 04
                        +1
                        Oleg, citizens unanimously voted in favor of preserving the Union when voting. But the problem is that the people of the Union are used to trusting the authorities, and the authorities (read the elite) have betrayed their own people in order to convert their power into loot.
                        Now about the State Emergency Committee - if you said "A", then you have to say "B" - the use of force is justified if you WIN! And if the State Emergency Committee, after all, would have applied the BB to those who committed the ILLEGAL seizure of power - THEY WOULD FORGIVE THEY EVERYTHING. For it is said:

                        In Russia, power can be anything but weak. Weak power in Russia is always tragedy and blood.

                        And so the GKChP - cowards and losers ... that is how they remained in the memory of the people.
                        About "idiots" - they are far from being - they are traitors - cunning, vile, unprincipled, but not ... It is quite possible that those who are on the salary of the Americans and the British ...