In the Far East, the first serial fighter Su-57 fell


On December 24, 2019, the Komsomolsk-on-Amur administration (Khabarovsk Territory) reported that during the factory tests (checking the engines), the latest Su-57 multi-functional fighter (T-50 factory index) fell in the taiga. It is clarified that the crash occurred with the product belonging to the manufacturer.


The test pilot managed to eject. He was found in the taiga and delivered by Mi-8 helicopter to the enterprise - Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu. A. Gagarina ”(KNAAZ), a branch of Sukhoi Company PJSC (part of the United Aircraft Corporation), which has its own Dzemgi airfield. It is reported that the pilot was not injured. At the same time, the aircraft manufacturer has not yet commented on what happened.

It should be noted that the fifth-stage fighters of the Su-57 are temporarily installing the engines of the first stage - AL-41F1 (product 117). Over time, they should be replaced by “Product 30” - completely new engines of the second stage of the PAK FA program.

By the way, on the super-maneuverable Su-35 (generation 4 ++) dual-circuit turbojet engines AL-41F1S (product 117C) developed by the Design Bureau named after A. Lyulki (branch of PJSC UEC-UMPO). From the engine for the Su-35, the engines of the first stage for the Su-57 are distinguished by increased traction and a number of other characteristics. But in general, this is a good, proven, modified and reliable unit.

In this regard, it can be assumed that in the taiga the prototype of the Su-57 crashed with “products 30”, the tests of which were carried out. We remind you that the Su-30 made its first flight with the “Product 57” on December 5, 2017. Since then, work to improve the unit has not stopped. This engine has introduced many innovations that so far have no analogues in the world. This explains a lot.


At the same time, the topic is actively discussed on the Web that in the Khabarovsk Territory the first production Su-57 actually crashed, the photos of which, from the assembly shop, were published in November 2019. By the end of this year - at the beginning of next year, the plane was promised to be handed over to the military. This information is also confirmed by the source of the Interfax agency.
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  1. g1washntwn Offline
    g1washntwn (George Washington) 24 December 2019 10: 45
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    The serial machine cannot be owned by the manufacturer. Therefore, before finding out what the tail number was on the fallen car, you can safely record all this hype in the category "one grandmother said."
    1. Kristallovich Online
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 December 2019 10: 50
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      Prior to transfer to the customer, it belongs to the plant.
      1. g1washntwn Offline
        g1washntwn (George Washington) 24 December 2019 11: 21
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        Nominally, yes. But if we are talking about serial production, then for delivery of products to the customer under the contract, tests are not carried out, but an examination by a special commission. In addition, about the engine of the second stage, it was only on the 11th and 12th serial car. If you tested the "product 30", then this is definitely not the board of the first series. That is why, if it fell during the state acceptance process - there is no “product 30”, if you tested your prototype, then this is not a serial machine (tail number in the taiga).
        1. Kristallovich Online
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 December 2019 11: 32
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          Every production car passes flight tests. It should fly a small, but a certain number of hours, should be checked all the electronic systems of the aircraft, the operation of the engines. And before the transfer to the customer, which, incidentally, was to be held on December 27, the aircraft belongs to the manufacturer.

          Regarding the engine, only an assumption was put forward in the news, which was not subsequently confirmed.
          1. g1washntwn Offline
            g1washntwn (George Washington) 24 December 2019 11: 44
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            In hype everything is mixed in a heap: both a series and 30. It makes no sense to hide the fact that the product transmitted by the MO is falling, and they would have written "during acceptance tests", and not engine tests.

            Quote: RIA
            It was planned to transfer the crashed plane this week to the Ministry of Defense, an informed source told RIA Novosti.

            Such "informed sources" are full Twitter with a slide.
            1. Kristallovich Online
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 December 2019 11: 46
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              At RIA, information about the serial appeared 2 hours after the news came out with us ....
              1. g1washntwn Offline
                g1washntwn (George Washington) 24 December 2019 11: 54
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                They are an aggregator, from Internet sites and grabbed the "conclusions".
                That's when the phrase "Serial number belonged to the car ..." is finished, then maybe I can admit that I was wrong. Be afraid to shield the version of the serial falling Russian aircraft.
                1. Kristallovich Online
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 December 2019 12: 24
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                  RIA is not an aggregator, but an information agency. Moreover, the largest audience in Russia. And RIA, as well as Interfax, refers to its own sources in the defense industry complex.

                  And yes, I’m calm like a boa constrictor and I’m not blocking anything. I just write, as it really is, and you rested your horns and butt.
                  1. g1washntwn Offline
                    g1washntwn (George Washington) 24 December 2019 12: 39
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                    Unconfirmed version (for now). I have every right to doubt public unproven versions.
                    If you are for the truth in the last resort, then, purely technically and speaking in an accounting language, “work in progress” has fallen near Khabarovsk, since it begins to be called an airplane only after the act of acceptance and putting the answer on the site. storage test center (after testing). So the headline of such news doesn’t fall anyway, under this version it’s correct to write “a set of parts that look like a Su-57” fell. This is to be absolutely accurate and infallible. But we understand that journalists and "news agencies" are fed not by the truth, but by "hot news" with similar headlines.
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                      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 December 2019 12: 42
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                      ... a set of parts that resembled the Su-57 fell.

                      Only a gray substance, outwardly resembling a human brain, could give out such a thing ... =)
                      1. g1washntwn Offline
                        g1washntwn (George Washington) 24 December 2019 12: 47
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                        But this is an insult and violation of the Rules.
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                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 December 2019 13: 01
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                        You are wrong. These are just some words that look like a jab ...
                      3. isofat Offline
                        isofat (Sergei) 24 December 2019 13: 18
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                        In fairness ... "we understand" - this is not an argument.
                      4. g1washntwn Offline
                        g1washntwn (George Washington) 25 December 2019 11: 22
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                        Quote: isofat
                        "we understand" - is not an argument

                        And assumptions under a screaming headline or something?
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                        isofat (Sergei) 25 December 2019 14: 24
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                        I was wrong, sorry.
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  • steelmaker Online
    steelmaker 24 December 2019 15: 03
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    "Lots of text." But wait a little, weak?
  • Upmost Offline
    Upmost (Innocent) 24 December 2019 15: 53
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    ... fell in the taiga newest multi-functional fighter Su-57 (factory index T-50)

    ... the first flight with the “product 30” Su-57 made December 5 2017 years

    29 January 2010 years the first flight instance of the T-50 (Su-57) first flew [2], making a flight lasting about 45 minutes (January 29 2010 years the first flight instance of the T-50 (Su-57) first flew into the air [2], having made a flight lasting about 45 minutes [22])

    It - NEWEST aircraft?
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    Upmost (Innocent) 24 December 2019 15: 58
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    Quote: g1washntwn
    you can safely record all this hype in the category "one grandmother said"

    The airplane was long and hard PR. As a result, one of the first SERIES fell.
    Should there have been all the basic work out?
    So hype is not unfounded.
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    Upmost (Innocent) 24 December 2019 16: 01
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    In this engine many innovations are introduced, which so far have no analogues in the world. This explains a lot.

    Others already have fifth-generation production aircraft. And here everything "dviglo" can’t be washed down in the normal way. So what is "tax-free"? Lagging behind?
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    Upmost (Innocent) 24 December 2019 16: 05
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    Vladimir Putin, after observing the test of the aircraft in the summer of 2010, said: “At the first stage of the creation of the aircraft, 30 billion rubles were spent, the same amount is needed to complete the project” [28]. He explained that then the modernization of the engine, weapons and so on will begin [6]. Wherein, according to Putin, the plane will be 2,5-3 times cheaper than foreign analogues

    It remains only to clarify, due to which such a dramatic reduction in price can be achieved (if tax-free)?
    And how does this affect QUALITY?
    And isn’t this the reason for the numerous “shoals” and “punctures” of military products from the Russian Federation?
    1. isofat Offline
      isofat (Sergei) 24 December 2019 16: 26
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      UpperMost (Innocent)The aircraft factory conducted factory tests. This was reported by TASS. The pilot is alive.
      PS Yes, the aircraft is the newest.
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        Upmost (Innocent) 24 December 2019 16: 42
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        That the pilot is alive - it's good. Human Life Above All.
        As for the plane - not convinced. They are not the newestand not serial (yet).
        Anyway, a "dark horse." And it seems to me, even for their testers. Alas.
        1. isofat Offline
          isofat (Sergei) 24 December 2019 17: 16
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          ... that car you drive also got off the assembly line once. Before starting its release in design bureaus, they “invent” it, translate it into drawings and test samples made “by hand”, i.e. factory technology for the manufacture of the machine is not yet, but the car is already there. If everything went well, it is necessary to create a technology by which the machine will be launched at the factory. Factory tests include identifying deficiencies and improving assembly technology. The car is tested in extreme conditions.
          Of course, I simplified everything ... But, believe me, the information discussed is enough to conclude that the release of these machines is just around the corner.