Russia is ready to pay Ukraine $ 3 billion


Details of the nine-hour talks between Russia and Ukraine held yesterday in Berlin became known, as a result of which a draft future agreement on gas transit to Europe was developed.


As the RIA News" referring to a source in the Russian delegation at the consultations on the conclusion of gas contracts, the price of signing a new transit agreement could be the payment by Russia of approximately three billion dollars to Ukraine by decision of the Stockholm arbitration.

According to the source, this issue of payment may become part of a package agreement between the two countries.

He also added that the continuation of negotiations on the whole range of issues should take place in Minsk today.

Yesterday's talks in the German capital were held at a high level and upon completion, participants from both sides of the process made quite positive comments to the press, but devoid of any specifics.

Recall that until the end of the current gas transit contract between Russia and Ukraine, two weeks remain.

On November 27, the Svea district court finally rejected the appeal of the Russian side and upheld the decision of the Stockholm arbitration, stating that Gazprom should pay the Ukrainian Naftogaz the amount of $ 2,56 billion.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 20 December 2019 17: 42
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    Here you have an article confirming the surrender of Putin’s power. Well, provocateurs and Cossacks mishandled, will we repent or change nicknames?
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 20 December 2019 18: 58
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      Take a look at the final contract. Suddenly there will again be an article about the purchase by Ukraine of 55 billion cubic meters of gas annually?
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 19: 11
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        Ukraine does not need so much. From 10 to 15 billion is their maximum.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
          Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 20 December 2019 22: 23
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          In 1992, Ukraine consumed 135 billion cubic meters of gas per year. Germany in 1992 - 18 billion cubic meters per year.
          Under Yushchenko and Tymoshenko - 55 billion cubic meters per year. Now ... Tears, in general. It remains only to sell the land, gather a bunch on the salt marshes of the Kherson region, protect yourself with a thorn, and wait for cookies from the Department of Aboriginal Affairs.
    2. Victor N Offline
      Victor N (Victor n) 22 December 2019 14: 19
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      There is a fact of loss in court, but this is an unfair sentence. And surrender? To gloat is ugly.
  2. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 18: 08
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    I always said that it is better to pay arbitration and close the topic.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 20 December 2019 18: 57
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      Uh, still Kiev’s internal fines patriarchy did not see the arbitration court. There is another 22 billion dollars. For the non-delivery of Turkmen and Uzbek gas to Ukraine. So the transit is still in question, for the Kiev court may arrest all transit until we carry out the pipeline to Turkmenistan.
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 19: 13
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        The Kiev court does not interest anyone. Unlike Stockholm. At the conclusion of the 10-year contract, it was stated that disputes are resolved in the Stockholm arbitration. Nobody said anything about Kiev.
        I think that Stockholm should be excluded in the new contract.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
          Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 20 December 2019 22: 26
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          Kiev court in Ukraine - no one cares?
          In general, the Stockholm court is also interesting - it completely annulled the obligations of one side, and upheld the other in full. The Swedes recognized Russia as a colony!
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 22: 41
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            In Ukraine, the Kiev court has all the powers. Stockholm arbitration was spelled out in a transit agreement. Therefore, its decisions are binding on both sides. About Kiev, Moscow, Limpopo, etc. there is not a word in the contract.
            The Swedes did not recognize Russia as a colony. This is called an unrighteous court. Therefore, it should not be in the next contract.
          2. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 22: 48
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            The funny thing is that no one has read the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. I mean those here. I myself have not read.
            I naively downloaded his solution completely. There are two of them. Under the transit agreement and the supply agreement. But I realized that I overestimated myself. In PDF format, more than a thousand pages in small print in English. I looked only selectively.
            It clearly states that Donbass is not the territory of Ukraine. By decision of the Stockholm arbitration, Ukraine will not pay for gas supplies to the Donbass. So this is not the territory of Ukraine.
            1. Bakht Offline
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 23: 08
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              Page 976 Solutions.

              Public Joint Stock Company Gazprom to pay to National Joint Stock Company Naftogaz of Ukraine the amount of USD 2,560,332,662.77 (two billion five hundred and sixty million three hundred and thirty-two thousand six hundred sixty-two US dollars and seventy-seven cents) and interest on any amount of delay in payment after February 28, 201 8, at the rate of interest applicable from time to time during the delay according to Section 4, paragraph 3 and Section 6, paragraph 1 of the Swedish Interest Act, until full payment is made.

              77 cents also did not forget :-)
            2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
              Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 21 December 2019 14: 30
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              Quote: Bakht
              The funny thing is that no one has read the decision of the Stockholm arbitration

              The news was as follows: for Ukraine, the obligation to purchase 55 billion cubic meters annually is reduced to 5 billion. The take-or-pay position is canceled.
              Gazprom remains committed to pumping at least 65 billion cubic meters, in case of non-pumping, transit is still paid - the “download or pay” principle has been preserved.
              As a result, at the beginning of the trial, Ukraine lacked about 30 billion cubic meters, $ 2 billion. Gazprom shortfall about the same amount, but since the pumping obligations (not reduced proportionally) were preserved, non-pumping during the trial also went into the fine and reached almost 5 billion.
              1. Bakht Offline
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 December 2019 15: 57
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                Where is the link? If so, then this is a complete defeat for Gazprom.
                1. Victor N Offline
                  Victor N (Victor n) 22 December 2019 14: 23
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                  This is the lawlessness of the court!
        2. T. Henks Offline
          T. Henks (Igor) 21 December 2019 18: 47
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          Are you the main contractor? And give directives?
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 December 2019 19: 07
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            No, not the main one. But interested. The 5 billion figure has not yet been announced anywhere. And about the principle of "download or pay", I would also like to clarify.
            Without a link, this is not information yet.
            So far, the figure of 3 billion has been announced and a complete rejection of all claims.
            1. Bakht Offline
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 December 2019 19: 29
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              It is advisable to provide information like this. Not rumored.

              The settlement agreement provides forrefusal from new claims, recall of arbitration and legal claims in which there are no final decisions, payment of the final decision of the Stockholm arbitration.

              https://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2019/december/article496323/
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              Besides -

              The Hungarian gas operator FGSZ ltd has signed a gas supply agreement with the operator of the Ukrainian gas transmission system LLC GTS Operator of Ukraine.
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              The operator of the Ukrainian GTS has already signed relevant agreements with Poland, Romania and Hungary. In addition, negotiations are underway daily with Slovakia and Moldova, with which, as expected, agreements will be reached in the near future.

              https://cursorinfo.co.il/all-news/ukraina-dogovorilas-o-postavkah-gaza-iz-vengrii-pervye-podrobnosti/

              That is, there is no talk of direct deliveries from the Russian Federation yet. There will be a "reverse". It remains to find out about the principle of "download or pay."
          2. sgrabik Offline
            sgrabik (Sergei) 22 December 2019 13: 47
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            One must be full of idiots to sign an agreement on such conditions, or the interests of the state have faded into the background and the political component in the foreground, but it is again not in our favor.
  3. Afinogen Offline
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 20 December 2019 19: 11
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    I don’t understand something. They constantly reiterated that the main condition for signing the contract was Ukraine’s refusal of judicial claims. And here you are. Ukraine owes us 3 billion, with almost 4 accrued interest, so what? Nobody wants to take them from her? Why not filed with the courts? Do not require? We have a government rag, about which they all wipe their feet, no honor, no conscience. If only they were fed up, but they do not care about the prestige of the country. So it is with the Olympics. They said you won’t go and pay the money to VALA and the Olympic Committee, and they agreed quietly and silently. No protests.
    1. Victor N Offline
      Victor N (Victor n) 21 December 2019 11: 06
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      Do not get excited, there is no complete information yet.
  4. Port Offline
    Port 20 December 2019 19: 17
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    This money can be spent on pensioners, and not feed maydaunov.
  5. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 19: 41
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    No one has signed anything yet. As I understand it, today's talks in Minsk ended in nothing.
    No news yet.
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    isofat (Sergei) 20 December 2019 20: 05
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    Naftogaz agrees to sign a contract without reference to Gazprom's debt

    https://ria.ru/20191220/1562659802.html
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 20: 57
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      And what is this talking about?

      At the same time, Kobolev noted that it takes a month to sign a new contract for the transit of blue fuel.
      1. isofat Offline
        isofat (Sergei) 20 December 2019 21: 17
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        This suggests that the article is not about anything. I think that the option suggested by V. Putin will work.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 21: 28
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          What did Putin suggest? Until yesterday, Putin offered to pay off the debt with gas supplies. And the pipe will be filled, and the arbitration penalty will close. Simple arithmetic of 3 billion at a gas price of $ 100 just makes 30 billion cubic meters. If the calculator doesn't lie to me. Just three years, the GTS will be filled with 10 billion cubic meters annually.
          Today, Putin suddenly announced that Gazprom would pay 3 billion in green paper. This is bad for Russia, but for Ukraine it is generally a disaster. You won’t drown in dollars, but the GTS remains empty.
          Miller stands his ground (this is the shortest joke). Waiver of all legal claims. So the transit agreement is still hanging in the air.
          So at the moment I see no changes either in the transit agreement or in direct deliveries. Rather, direct supplies were covered with a copper basin.
          Today in Minsk, either 9 or 11 hours chatted. No information ...
          1. isofat Offline
            isofat (Sergei) 20 December 2019 21: 33
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            We will soon find out what to guess. That's why I posted the link. The article is about nothing.
  7. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 21: 05
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    I was always interested in solving puzzles. How to make the right choice with a lack of information?
    Gazprom decided to pay a fine of 3 billion to Naftogaz. I conclude that gas supplies to Ukraine can be forgotten.
    Kobolev says he needs another month to sign the contract. This means that there will be no transit throughout January.
    Gas prices at European hubs fell today by 7% and reached $ 140 (plus minus a tram stop). This is after the negotiations in Berlin. The most accurate indicator is just the price of gas. Saturday-Sunday trading, most likely, will not be. And by Monday more detailed information will appear.
    While there are no signs that the parties have agreed ....
  8. bear040 Offline
    bear040 20 December 2019 22: 26
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    This freebie will come back to Ukraine expensively ... Gas pipelines bypassing Ukraine will continue to be built.
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 22: 43
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      Gas pipelines bypassing Ukraine will continue to be built

      Unlikely. Those built already completely cover the needs of Europe. If they want more, let them buy "freedom molecules" in the spot market. And the resource base is not rubber.
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        bear040 20 December 2019 22: 52
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        You may be right, but they are already talking about SP-3 quite seriously.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 December 2019 23: 04
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          Will be subject to sanctions. Yes, and the resource base must be known. But we do not know this.
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            bear040 20 December 2019 23: 17
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            The Germans are already openly saying that they will hammer a bolt in the United States, and they will respond to sanctions. ... I’m sure that the French will join the Germans, and the EU is holding on to these two ...
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  10. Figwam instead of dough!
    1. isofat Offline
      isofat (Sergei) 21 December 2019 00: 20
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      Ukraine is forced to end the war. They are trying to resolve the issue peacefully. Money has nothing to do with it. Zelensky is weak. The Bandera demolished the roof. When they organized the Maidan, they dreamed of a different development of events. It will be necessary, and they will give money. There is a bargain.
      1. I understand, Isofatushko, but money is everything in this world, and lawsuits are steam over the pot! So, let them first withdraw the claims, then we’ll give the loot. May be. Later. Half!
        1. isofat Offline
          isofat (Sergei) 23 December 2019 00: 39
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          I hope the thinking machine is made in Russia? I was always interested in what AI is. For example, an artificial leg is a prosthesis, but is Intellect? Forced to note, I do not like the last letter in your interpretation of my nickname.
          1. I am a highly intelligent machine with independent drive!
  11. Nick Offline
    Nick (Nikolai) 21 December 2019 04: 42
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    Fortune telling on coffee grounds.
  12. T. Henks Offline
    T. Henks (Igor) 21 December 2019 18: 42
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    And who doubted? The booth is over. It's time to study Churchill aphorisms. And so a Christmas present very much. Soon the Kemsk parish will be added ...
    1. isofat Offline
      isofat (Sergei) 21 December 2019 18: 55
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      T. Henks (Igor)... do you seriously think that now in Russian transit Ukraine will improve its affairs and get rich? The transit volume is half as much as in 2018. This is so that your pants do not fall off. They scold, scold, and so stuck, do not tear.
      1. T. Henks Offline
        T. Henks (Igor) 21 December 2019 19: 08
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        I don’t think about this topic for a long time. For lack of evidence. And you can’t add emotions to the financial result. I understood about transit back in the days of Kiriyenko (not Rosatom). If this subject is interesting, see his New Year’s speech in the last crisis of gas supplies to Europe.
        1. isofat Offline
          isofat (Sergei) 21 December 2019 19: 15
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          I don’t think about this topic for a long time.

          It must be warned that you said this without thinking.
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            T. Henks (Igor) 21 December 2019 19: 16
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            We have a consensus.