Winter war: in 1939, the Finns received exactly what they deserved from the USSR


Speaking at a meeting of the Pobeda organizing committee, Russian President Vladimir Putin once again sharply spoke out about Western attempts to “distort the historical truth.” In particular, the resolution “On the Importance of European Memory for the Future of Europe” adopted by the European Parliament a couple of months ago, was directly called by the head of our state as “shameless lies” and “information war”.


In the mentioned document, which caused such a great indignation of our leader, the Soviet Union is accused, in particular, of “unleashing an aggressive war against Finland” in 1939. Well, the battles and battles of the Winter War rumbled in the North exactly 80 years ago. It’s time to remember them and try to figure out how it really was with the “Soviet aggression” and many other things. Well, let's get started ...

Clean, peaceful, innocent ...


Starting to talk about the “aggressive machinations” of the USSR on the eve of the Great Patriotic War, both Western “historians” and the liberal public living in the shadow of our native aspens manage to completely “forget” some, let's say, characteristic details of those events of that time. In truth, it’s a hell of a breakthrough of these very details, without which a true exposition and realistic perception of the conflicts under discussion is simply impossible. It’s worth starting with the fact that the greatest number of problems for the young Country of Soviets arose precisely with the former "neighbors" in the Russian Empire. The very ones who, seizing the moment, quickly declared their own “independence” and remembered its “deep historical roots”. The Poles, the Balts, the Finns ... All of them settled into "solitary voyage" with the filing of the mediocre and spineless Provisional Government, which was unable to cope even with the events in St. Petersburg and Moscow. Where could the Empire have been saved from collapse ... The Bolsheviks, who until death needed to stay in power for the period necessary in order to create at least some semblance of a viable state capable of effectively defending themselves from the “temporary” debris left by it , were forced one by one to sign "obscene" peace treaties. They finally consolidated the sovereignty of the barely hatched “powers”. However, as I have already written many times, for a significant part of those who came to power in October 1917, all these agreements concluded with the "imperialist predators" did not mean anything. They believed that the World Revolution was coming, which would sweep away all the borders that still exist in the world. Why not give in to the most disadvantageous contractor with those about whom there will be no memory tomorrow ?!

Life, however, introduced its own tough corrections into these enthusiastic dreams. There was no ensuing uprising of the “world proletariat” at the beginning of the twentieth century, and the USSR had to deal with extremely squabble, scandalous, and scummy neighbors that had pretty much spawned on its borders. And if they sat quietly, rejoicing that seizing the opportunity, they escaped from the “prison of nations”! No, the whole gop company, without exception, almost on the second day after independence, began to recall the “old grievances” and, most importantly, immediately rushed to get hold of new territories. Sometimes - at the expense of each other (as was the case with the Poles and the Balts), but more often than not, these “young and early” people sought to “cut their fellow countrymen” at the expense of the original Russian open spaces. So the barely created Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army had to cool their ardor, spilling blood - as if there were few of their White Guards. Yes, in addition, behind the feeble backs of the newly-conquered "conquerors" who stubbornly tried to spoil more from the Country of Soviets, there were much more serious gentlemen. From London, Berlin, Paris and other European capitals. I repeated many times, but I will do it again: in any military conflict that our country was forced to enter into in the first half of the 1939th century, it alone did not confront a particular state, but, in fact, everything (or almost everything ) To the “collective West”, or, as it was customary to say then, to the “world of capital”. The history of the Soviet-Finnish wars is the clearest example of this. Yes, yes, there were already four of them, but you did not know? Well, this is the time to clarify this issue - before proceeding to the consideration, in fact, of the events of XNUMX.



“Sword of Oath” and dreams of “Great Finland”


First of all, it should be remembered that the existence of Finland in its historical form of the capitalist state hostile to the USSR in the first half of the 1918th century was not at all predetermined unambiguously and inevitably. In 1918, the Finnish Socialist Workers Republic was proclaimed there and the Red Guard was created. The continuation of all this was quite natural - a civil war. “Red Finns”, alas, were not lucky. Karl Gustav Mannerheim returned, the lieutenant general ceased to exist by the time of the Russian Imperial Army. In addition to a passion for passion for thoroughbred trotters and no less thoroughbred ladies, this character was also truly an excellent warrior. By 23, his chest was decorated with every single military order of the Russian Empire, according to contemporaries - well deserved. Mannerheim set to work more than seriously. February 1918, XNUMX, on the day considered to be the moment of the birth of the Red Army, he proclaims the pompous Sword of Sword at the tiny railway station Antrea, in which he promises his compatriots not to lay down their arms until the warriors and hooligans are expelled from Finnish land Lenin. " But the misfortune is that the “Finnish land” Karl Gustav somehow suddenly at the same time declares Karelia, which has never been part of the lands of the Grand Duchy of Finland. Yes, however, that there Karelia! Helsinki at that time was embracing the fervor of “pan-Philanism”: you give Great Finland, uniting all Finno-Ugric peoples! Give Ingria (territories around Petrograd) and the land of Estonia! Did you think that the crazy people from Warsaw with the “Great Poland one may one” were the only ones? In vain ...

Having broken our own “Reds,” which, frankly speaking, he was very helpful, the Germans, who left the ten thousand expeditionary corps to strangle the Soviet Republic in Finland, did not think to stop at the historical borders of the Grand Duchy of Mannerheim. Already in the spring of 1918 he approved the so-called "Wallenius Plan", which envisaged the capture of Pechenga, Onega and Ladoga Lakes with subsequent access to Petrograd. This leader saw him as a “free city” - under the Finnish protectorate, of course ... Nothing so big? At the same time, "partisan detachments" were sent to Karelia, in fact, Finnish sabotage groups, and a pocket "government" was created in Helsinki for the North Karelian "state", which, according to the Finns, was to be erected on the territory of five Russian volosts Arkhangelsk province. At first, the white Finns climbed onto Soviet territory solely under the pretext of “persecuting” their own “red” compatriots, but, having finished with them completely, on May 18, 1918, Finland declared war on Soviet Russia quite officially. In fact, the events of this first war between the two countries are for the Finns forever indelible disgrace. They should especially remember the Vyborg and Olonets events, which historians even quite loyal to Helsinki call the “massacre”. In 1918, about 5 thousand civilians were killed by Finnish rangers in Vyborg. Just because the Russians ... However, the tribesmen who supported the "Russian occupiers" then also plagued a lot. A year later, in Olonets, the same Finns “noted” by the massacre of wounded Red Army soldiers. Not to mention other atrocities.

So who violated the contract?


At the same time, in the question of choosing allies, the Finns behaved like the last ... Yes, those with reduced responsibility. While the Teutons were “on horseback”, they relied on them. The German Reich collapsed - immediately entangled the "best friends" of the Entente. Estonians and some others, not very fast thinking of the Baltic states, swore an eternal and indestructible fraternity, making plans for how to recoup them afterwards, having driven them into the Great Finland. One way or another, but in 1919, it was through the efforts of the Finns in the Russian North that hell reigned supreme. In addition to their detachments, Estonians and Russian White Guards, stubbornly rushing to Petrograd, an expeditionary force from the British, French and Canadians, who besieged Petrozavodsk for two months, also came upon our lands. Two whole puppet "governments" frolic in Karelia - the Olonets and Ukhta. Later, for the sake of fidelity, they would also make up the “Republic of North Ingria,” which the Finns would quickly occupy - with the goal of “supporting and protecting against the Bolsheviks,” of course. All this ends with the fact that the Red Army, which has grown stronger and has grown sober in bloody battles, begins to very sensitively beat all those who appeared uninvited to our lands. One after another, hot Estonian guys and white-haired men and their patrons from the Entente fly out from them one after another. Finally, it comes to the Finns. Here, I must say, a considerable role is played by those citizens of this country who were forced to flee from it after the defeat in the civil war there. They, at the suggestion of the Bolshevik government, again take up arms and fight quite well. In the end, the Red Army knock out Finnish invaders from almost the entire territory of Karelia, and in July 1920, Finland and the RSFSR sign a peace treaty. What is characteristic is in the same Tartu, where five months ago they put up with the Estonians.


Do you think that Helsinki was going to abide by this agreement, which was concluded, by the way, on conditions that were quite harmless to him (Pechenga with all the volost was given to these reptiles)? Yeah ... Keep your pocket wider! The decency and peacefulness of the Finns were not enough for a year. Already in December 1920, the next “United Karelian Government” was created in Vyborg with the filing of Helsinki. From the summer of next year, groups of scouts and saboteurs begin to flow into Soviet Karelia, full-scale preparations for a "popular uprising" begin, which should tear these territories in favor of Finland. This rebellion broke out on November 6, 1921. Only completely unscrupulous people can call it the “national liberation” performance of the Karelians. From the very beginning, the main force, which not only fought against the Red Army, but also waged terror against the civilian population, was Finnish troops, which totaled 2 and a half thousand personnel at the beginning of the conflict, and by the time it ended, had grown to 6 thousand. A full-fledged division, at least. In Ukhta, where the bastard “North Karelian state” arose again, there was a Finnish garrison. All this whistle, which cost a considerable number of human lives, lasted until the end of 1921. After the declaration of Karelia in a state of siege, the restoration of the Karelian front and the transfer of additional Red Army units to it, the Finns began to pound so that only feathers flew. By mid-February 1922, the invaders and their henchmen were kicked beyond the state borders of Soviet Russia, and the "North Karelian Government" was habitually and dejectedly trudging back to Helsinki. In March of the same year, a new ceasefire was signed in Moscow, according to which the parties pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity.

But they asked in a good way ...


However, the Finns would not be Finns if they honestly observed at least these obligations. Bandit-sabotage raids into Karelia from their territory took place before the end of the 20s, and in Helsinki more and more hot goals were worn with the renewed idea of ​​"Great Finland" - right up to ... the Polar Urals! Is it any wonder after that, despite the non-aggression pact signed by the countries in 1932, the USSR People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Maxim Litvinov argued: “Not a single country has such an open and furious propaganda of an attack on our country and the seizure of its territories like this is being done in Finland! ” However, serious friction between Moscow and Helsinki began only in 1938, when the world smelled of a new world war. The Nazis ruled Germany for five years, the Wehrmacht was gaining strength before our eyes, and Stalin knew perfectly well where he would turn sooner or later. The Finns made it clear and clear that they would not tolerate the country's transformation into a bridgehead for the actions of German troops in the North. The USSR asked to lease to him (not forever!) A number of islands in the Baltic, first of all - Gogland to create fortifications and military bases there, as well as take a number of other joint measures against a possible German invasion. The Finns rested ... Then they were offered as a "carrot" a number of territories in East Karelia: "You really wanted to get them!" Did not help. Negotiations went on almost continuously. It should be noted that one of the main issues that extremely worried the Soviet leadership (as subsequent events showed - not in vain) was the moment of critical proximity of the Finnish border to Leningrad. The words of Stalin are known: “There is nothing to be done about geography. We cannot move Leningrad, we will move the border ... "

Ultimately, having shown unprecedented patience and a willingness to compromise, the Leader was ready to agree to the mildest conditions. Finland moves the border 90 kilometers from Leningrad, transfers the island of Hanko, as well as a number of other islands, for 30 years to the USSR. A Soviet military base is being built at Hanko, including for the Navy, and a powerful garrison is being deployed. Also, countries undertake not to join military alliances hostile to the opposite side. Well, what's so terrible or shameful ?! In exchange, Finland was supposed to receive more than 5 thousand square kilometers of territory in coveted Karelia (twice the area given to the barren islands) and the right to create its own military bases in the Åland Islands, which until then had been forbidden to it. But the Finns again rested ... What is most interesting, all Western countries have made clear about their neutrality in the impending conflict. Berlin, which at that time had signed the Nonaggression Pact with the USSR, extremely persistently advised Helsinki to accept the conditions put forward by Moscow. The Reichsmarschall Goering openly stated that the Germans would not fight with the Russians for the Finns. Moreover, the country's most notorious anti-Soviet, Karl Mannerheim, who insisted that Bolshevism was “a world-threatening plague,” shouted, trying to convince the arrogant morons from the Finnish parliament and government to agree to what they give. Did not help. It was then that, after the next failed negotiations in Moscow, Molotov’s historical phrase sounded: “Well, well, since we, civilians, haven’t agreed, now it’s up to the soldiers ...” No, well, they warned you ...


And, in my cynical view, the fact of where the shells actually arrived at the unfortunate village of Mainila, the shelling of which was a formal cause for the war, does not absolutely matter. Subsequently, speaking to the commanders of the Red Army, Stalin very clearly and unequivocally told the truth: “It was impossible to do without a war!” All the talk that the Leader wanted to “Sovietize” Finland, to return it to the USSR is, excuse me, bullshit. I would like - I did as with the Baltic. Fortunately, there was already a “Finnish socialist government” at the ready. Is it not good to do this? But this, do not blame me, it was simply a “mirror” response to the Finnish little things in Karelia, moreover, they turned them repeatedly. This is certainly right ... In fact, Stalin and other leaders of the USSR needed to secure Leningrad and the country's borders in the North. Should he trust the government of “democratic Finland”? What are you saying ?! After all of the above? No, Stalin was not an idiot. And by the way, his actions in 1939 completely break the stupid lie that he “trusted” Hitler by signing the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. Iosif Vissarionovich perfectly understood that this treaty would be broken by Germany as soon as the time came - that is why it acted decisively and toughly when circumstances required it. The events of the Great Patriotic War hundredfold, thousandfold confirmed his innocence regarding Finland in 1939. The attack of her troops on the USSR, participation in the siege of Leningrad, did not leave the slightest room for doubts about “to beat or not to beat” it was necessary in 1939 ... But at the same time, by the way, are the answer to the question: “Do you consider the attempt to install "a memorial plaque to Mannerheim in Leningrad with historical schizophrenia with elements of masochism?" There was no "aggression" of the USSR against Finland in 1939 - there were normal actions by a great power to ensure its security in anticipation of a world military conflict. Yes, and the Red Army test "Winter War" benefited. However, this is a topic for a completely different article. Perhaps we will talk about this in the near future.
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  1. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 14 December 2019 09: 02
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    A rare cynical article, the author himself surpassed. The distortion of facts and the almost complete absence of historical truth and common sense. I look, the whole wave on this subject has gone, naturally for internal use. Here, of course, it’s possible to “brainless” for a while illiterate and gullible, but still this story will remain generally shameful, and

    you can’t wash off a black male in any way.
    1. 321 Offline
      321 (321) 14 December 2019 09: 22
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      Completely NOT surprised by your comment like this, continue to believe that we always attacked everyone without any reason and continue to do it, but what was there before, Finnish, yes, yes CARL, FINNISH PROFESSOR wrote - why do you need it? , Yes? hi
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        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 14 December 2019 09: 46
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        Which Finnish professor wrote this article? Not necropic?
        1. 321 Offline
          321 (321) 14 December 2019 13: 43
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          Well, if Professor Mauno Jokipii bears or also bears the name Neukropny, then maybe BUT I don’t have such data, the rest is myself ... hi
          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 14 December 2019 13: 55
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            And what did this wonderful professor write? What Finland attacked the USSR together with aliens?
            1. 321 Offline
              321 (321) 14 December 2019 14: 25
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              Have you decided that someone will be writing over 700 pages of professor to you? lol I already wrote above - myself and ONLY myself, by filling in the gaps in knowledge or education, I deal exclusively on a reimbursable basis ... hi
              PS And for some reason I have no doubt that even based on the writings of the professor you will draw your conclusions. bully
    2. Aleksey Glotov Offline
      Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 14 December 2019 11: 03
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      I completely agree with the author of the article ... sorry, the Finns were not called to order even earlier ... our northern neighbors always understood only the power in relation to themselves.
      1. chobasa Offline
        chobasa (Choi Bal San) 14 December 2019 12: 19
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        Quote: Aleksey Glotov
        ... sorry, the Finns were not called to order even earlier ...

        So that they now live in much the same way as the Korels?

        Quote: Aleksey Glotov
        .. our northern neighbors always understood only the power in relation to themselves

        The USSR spoke with all its neighbors only in the language of force. Fortunately, there were a lot of people (at first), few could resist such a mass of people.
        For this, all the neighbors "loved him very much."
    3. pafegosoff Offline
      pafegosoff (Arkhip Pafegosov) 14 December 2019 17: 42
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      The Finns during the blockade of Leningrad showed a special “humanity”. Mannerheim, by the way, advised Hitler, who initially wanted to give “Petersburg” to the Finns, so that the city and population would be destroyed, since for Finland the city is too large - the country will not pull ...
      1. PPT Offline
        PPT (PPT) 14 December 2019 23: 41
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        Quote: pafegosoff
        Mannerheim, by the way, advised Hitler, who initially wanted to give the “Petersburg” to the Finns so that the city and population were destroyed

        Have you advised? Or did he send a special letter about this to your grandfather?
        And then, after all, science does not know anything about such advice.
  2. Nikolai Miracles (Nikolai Chudov) 14 December 2019 09: 30
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    Aggression is the normal action of a great power.

    1. Nikolai Miracles (Nikolai Chudov) 14 December 2019 10: 46
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      And here is what the Finns actually sang:

      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 14 December 2019 11: 52
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        You probably rightly think that they should have sung:

        Take us, Suomi is a beauty.
        Music: br. Pokrass Words: A. D'Actil

        Pine tree on the slopes curls
        Frontier mean outlook.
        Take us, Suomi is a beauty
        In a necklace of transparent lakes!
        Tanks are breaking wide openings,
        Airplanes circling in the clouds
        Low sun of autumn
        Lights the bayonet lights.
        We used to fraternize with victories
        And again we carry in battle
        On the roads paved with grandfathers
        Red star glory.
        A lot of lies over the years
        To confuse the Finnish people.
        Open now trustingly to us
        Halves of the wide gate!

        Neither the jesters nor the fools scribblers
        Do not embarrass your hearts anymore.
        Your homeland was taken more than once -
        We come to return it.
        We come to help you deal
        To pay with interest for shame.
        Take us, Suomi is a beauty
        In a necklace of transparent lakes!




        Do I understand you correctly?
        1. Nikolai Miracles (Nikolai Chudov) 14 December 2019 13: 43
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          That's right:

          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 14 December 2019 13: 50
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            Are you serious about this “propaganda monster”, or are you kidding?
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    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 14 December 2019 13: 40
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    It’s precisely noticed - for some reason, a whole series of articles about the “winter war” appeared in a cheers-patriotic style .... Obviously, whether such an order from the Kremlin to raise the “patriotic degree” or a training manual on this subject was prepared from there and ordered urgently distribute. However, people already know that:
    1) the USSR was the first to unleash this war, to say that only the need to push the border away from Leningrad and caused an attack on the Finns, it sounds like starting to justify Hitler’s attack on the USSR, he also needed “living space” for the Germans. ..
    2) The war forced the Finns, who had practically no army of their own and hoped for their defensive line, to create an army from scratch;
    3) The leadership of the Red Army treated the Finns as not far-off lapors, incapable of any organized resistance, and therefore did not prepare for war at all, for which Soviet soldiers were severely paid;
    4) The war was waged initially by the military leaders and troops of the Red Army recklessly and without any operational and tactical flexibility - like, just ahead and ignoring the losses, oddly enough, but the Soviet military did not learn any lessons from the "winter war" at all and that’s how then they will continue to wage the entire Patriotic War, overwhelming the enemy with the corpses of their soldiers and their burnt equipment;
    5) the Soviet Army simply suffered enormous losses, and many weapons were simply thrown by Soviet soldiers, which allowed the Finns to proudly say that their army was almost completely armed with captured Soviet weapons and equipment;
    6) the USSR wanted to overthrow the government in Finland and even prepared a new "government", and only a formidable shout from England that if the USSR goes further, then England, France and Sweden will consider the USSR as the same aggressor as Germany, and declare him a war, made Stalin confine himself to capturing only part of Finland
    7) The war showed the complete inability of the Soviet military leaders to conduct hostilities and confirmed Hitler’s opinion of Soviet Russia as a "colossus with feet of clay" and it was after this unfortunate war that Hitler decided to attack the USSR .... Talk about Finns as about those whoever allegedly always "prepared", "hatched" plans to seize the territory of the USSR, is the same as they say in the West now in Russia, which supposedly also "prepares" and "bears" something about its neighbors and Western countries ....
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      chobasa (Choi Bal San) 14 December 2019 14: 02
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... then continue to lead the entire Patriotic War

      The Soviet-German war, which began on 22.06.1941 and was called the "Great Patriotic War" by the Bolsheviks, ended on 24.09.1941. It ended with the entry of the USSR into WW2 on the side of the Anglo-Saxons.
      And already 08.05.1945/2/XNUMX ended XNUMXMB in Europe.

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The USSR wanted to overthrow the government in Finland and even prepared a new "government", and only a formidable shout from England that if the USSR goes further, then England, France and Sweden will consider the USSR as an aggressor like Germany and declare war on it.

      By the way, the myth that Finland was an ally of Germany in 1940 and somehow threatened Leningrad was in use. And, ostensibly, therefore, it was decided to push the boundaries.
      In fact, in 1940, Finland was an ally of the Anglo-Saxons. And she did not threaten the USSR in any way. For this, the Germans surrendered it to the USSR (in the Appendices to the well-known pact).
      And after the Soviet attack, Finland in 1941 became an ally of the Axis countries. And the USSR in 1941 received the situation in the north that it had. Including the participation of Finnish troops in the database against the Red Army. And a partial blockage of Leningrad.

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      and it was after this unfortunate war that Hitler decided to attack the USSR ....

      In fact, Hitler made the decision to attack the USSR back in November 1940. After the failure of the negotiations in Berlin, at which the USSR rolled out the Reich such demands that stuck in his nose. It was precisely after this that Hitler ordered the preparation of an attack plan on the USSR.
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 14 December 2019 14: 34
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        What is your "depth" of "thoughts", however, and "knowledge" is also, continue, purely neighing. laughing bully
        1. Moscowia delenda est (Ivanov) 14 December 2019 18: 28
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          Yes, yes, dear professor. Only you have absolute and accurate knowledge of the Russian-Finnish war. You can continue to build yourself professors. This is also quite funny.
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            321 (321) 14 December 2019 18: 49
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            Funny to you? But your ideas are of little interest to me, and I’m a professor, though NOT in Finns, but it's hard to say about you, but you write, write, humor is a useful thing ...
            And as for knowledge - someone has already written here that you can judge, or you can only draw conclusions about what you saw yourself, did you decide to continue this epic? It seems that these are your problems, they are of little interest to me, but I could communicate with documents from archives, both domestic and foreign - which I can’t say about you, and not only about you ...
          2. PPT Offline
            PPT (PPT) 14 December 2019 22: 53
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            Quote: Moscowia delenda est
            about the Russian-Finnish war

            About the Soviet-Finnish War.
            Russia has never fought with Finland.
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        commbatant (Sergei) 14 December 2019 18: 31
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        chobasa (Choi Bal San) Today, 14: 02
        ... ended on September 24.09.1941, XNUMX.

        I thought, for the USSR, the Second World War ended on 09.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX.

        It ended with the entry of the USSR into WW2 on the side of the Anglo-Saxons.

        Which ones and against whom, considering that the United States never declared war on Germany in the history of WWII, and Great Britain declared war on Germany in WWII two years before the start of the Second World War?

        In fact, Hitler made the decision to attack the USSR back in November 1940.

        I was thinking earlier about the OTTO plan (which was later replaced by the Barbarossa plan) you apparently know nothing ...
        You, my young friend, have problems with dates and the sequence of historical facts.
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          PPT (PPT) 14 December 2019 23: 09
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          Quote: commbatant
          I thought

          There is no need to think. There are documents, so the thoughts here are inappropriate.

          Quote: commbatant
          for the USSR, the Great Patriotic War ended on 09.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX

          There was a Soviet-German war outside the framework of 2MB.
          It began on June 22.06.1941, 24.09.1945 and ended on September XNUMX, XNUMX.
          For all. What for the USSR, what for Paraguay.
          And the fact that the victims of “the best education in the world” do not even know basic things are their problems.

          Quote: commbatant
          when you consider that the United States has never declared war on Germany in the history of WWII

          The United States was the first to master hybrid wars without declaring war.
          But in fact, the United States nevertheless declared war on entering WW2, adopting a land lease law in March 1941. Which was immediately called in the USA and the world "a bill on the conduct of an undeclared war." After that, the “crazy Hess” drew quickly enough. And the Germans started shooting at the Americans in the Atlantic. Without any declaration of war. The same Robin Moore was torpedoed by the Germans in May 1941.

          Quote: commbatant
          Which and against whom

          Try to guess for yourself.

          Quote: commbatant
          You, my young friend, have problems with dates and the sequence of historical facts

          And you have problems with awareness of the surrounding reality. That which was not, you "remember." And what was, you do not know.
          Together, this is called "the best education in the world."
          1. commbatant Offline
            commbatant (Sergei) 14 December 2019 23: 33
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            PPP (PPP) Today, 23: 09

            There was a Soviet-German war outside the framework of 2MB.

            The Soviet-German war was outside the framework of WWII, it is stronger than Goethe ... and the Soviet-Japanese war was outside the framework of WWII or within its framework, what nonsense ....?
            And if the Soviet-German war was outside the framework of WWII, then why the Soviet-German war according to your version of world history

            ended November 24.09.1945, XNUMX

            Links to documents on this opus is possible?

            But in fact, the United States nevertheless declared war on entering WW2, adopting a land lease law in March 1941.

            Here it is, now they call it in the USA a declaration of war against another state under the law of the USA?
            Those. Judging by your logic, the United States, selling Germany’s military and military equipment in the initial WWII period, declared war on Great Britain, France and the USSR?
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              PPT (PPT) 15 December 2019 00: 09
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              Quote: commbatant
              The Soviet-German war was outside the framework of WWII, it is stronger than Goethe ...

              From what? Anglo-Saxons and their allies on the one hand and the Axis countries on the other hand participated in WWII. On June 2, 22.06.1941, the USSR was not a member of any of these coalitions. Therefore, the so-called WWII flowed OUT of the 2MB framework. And all supplies of weapons by the Anglo-Saxons and other things until the USSR entered the 2MV on the side of the Anglo-Saxons were paid by him as part of foreign trade operations. On credit.
              This USSR gave a loan for a long and tedious. And finally settled under Brezhnev. Already at the end of June 1941, the USSR requested the allies of the Anglo-Saxons. Because Moscow quickly realized that the USSR alone could not be brought against Germany. But the Anglo-Saxons of the USSR refused to accept immediately among their allies. Before the settlement of the territorial issue with an ally of the Anglo-Saxons, Poland. Negotiations with Poland were difficult and long. But at the beginning of August 1941, the USSR returned to Poland ALL ALL Polish lands received in 1939 (Maisky-Sikorsky Pact), after which the Anglo-Saxons began to build the Anti-Hitler Coalition. After the utilization of a whole series of important issues, September 24.09.1941, 01.10.1941 the USSR was admitted to this coalition. And from 24.09.1941, he was included in the Lend-Lease program. After that, the weapons against him were no longer for money. Those. the ally of the Anglo-Saxons of the USSR became only September 2, XNUMX, after joining the WWII on the side of the Anglo-Saxons, and not before.
              Well, if only because the Anglo-Saxons did not participate in the Second World War and simply could not be allies of the USSR in the Second World War.

              Quote: commbatant
              and the Soviet-Japanese war was outside the framework of WWII or within its framework,

              There was no Soviet-Japanese war at all. There was 2MB in Asia. The USSR and Japan were in opposing coalitions, but for the time being, for the time being they were neutral to each other. Which the USSR ultimately violated by attacking Japan.
              All this was in the framework of 2MB.
              Those. with Japan, the USSR was absolutely the same as with Bulgaria in Europe.

              Quote: commbatant
              why the Soviet-German war, according to your version of world history, ended on 24.09.1945

              Oops Not September 24.09.1945, 24.09.19, but September XNUMX, XNUMX41 Strange. I remember exactly what I wrote on September 24.09.1941, XNUMX.

              Quote: commbatant
              Links to documents on this opus is possible?

              I don’t give links to opuses, because I don’t do them.

              Quote: commbatant
              The USA, selling Germany’s military and military equipment in the initial WWII period, declared war on Great Britain, France and the USSR?

              The United States did not sell weapons to Germany after the start of WW2. These are your inventions.

              Quote: commbatant
              burned a library in your boarding school for people with deviant behavior?

              You know better what you have and when you were burned.
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            Quote: PPP
            It began on June 22.06.1941, 24.09.1945 and ended on September XNUMX, XNUMX.

            A typo.
            It ended on 24.09.1941 Mr.
            Those. On their own (within the framework of the Second World War), the USSR fought with the Reich about 3 months.
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              commbatant (Sergei) 15 December 2019 00: 22
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              PPP (PPP) Today, 00: 10

              Quote: PPP
              It began on June 22.06.1941, 24.09.1945 and ended on September XNUMX, XNUMX.
              Typo. It ended on September 24.09.1941, 3. On their own (within the framework of the Second World War), the USSR fought with the Reich about XNUMX months.

              I think you should get acquainted with the Soviet Arctic ... fellow

              The dissemination of information on days of military glory and memorable dates of Russia related to the defense of the Fatherland, expressing disrespect for society, as well as desecration of symbols of military glory in Russia, publicly committed,
              is punished with a fine of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to two years, or compulsory work for a period of up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional work for up to one year.

              h.3 Art. 354.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation laughing
              A lot of you got divorced "chronologists", apparently, in connection with the absence of Yuri Vladimirovich ... in power ... angry
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                PPT (PPT) 15 December 2019 01: 36
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                Quote: commbatant
                A lot of you got divorced "chronologists", apparently, in connection with the absence of Yuri Vladimirovich ... in power ...

                Do you want to deny the fact that 08.05.1945/2/XNUMX ended XNUMXMB in Europe?
                Not worth it. This is a documented fact.
                And the decisions of the conferences of the Allies (with the participation of the USSR), as well as the decision of the Nuremberg Tribunal, also refer to 2MB.
                Victory in the Second World War is an invention of the Bolsheviks. But the documents speak of something else. The USSR was indeed one of the winners of the Axis countries, but within the framework of WW2, not WWII.
                Yes, and here's another thing - Russia did not participate in WW2 and WWII. The USSR participated in these wars.
                But the USSR, this is not Russia. And the defense of the USSR, this is not the defense of the Fatherland for Russia. Russia has a different Fatherland. Less Soviet.
                And yet, do not tell the amers, Britons, Poles and many more countries that they were allies of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. They will not understand this. They firmly believe that they were allies of the USSR in 2MB.
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                  commbatant (Sergei) 15 December 2019 01: 39
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                  PPP (PPP) Today, 01:36 AM
                  Russia did not participate in the WWII and WWII. The USSR participated in these wars.

                  The Russian Federation is the assignee of the USSR, fellow and accordingly, a one-way ticket to the "Russian Arctic" is ordered to you ... laughing
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                    Quote: commbatant
                    The Russian Federation is the assignee of the USSR

                    You clearly do not understand what the term "succession" means. In particular, singular.
                    And soon you will agree that the territories of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Baltic states, Transcaucasia and Central Asia are all territories of the Russian Federation.
                    Russia is far from being the legal successor of the USSR in all cases. This is directly indicated by the FEDERAL LAW "On international treaties of the Russian Federation" of July 15.07.1995, XNUMX.

                    Quote: commbatant
                    and accordingly a one-way ticket to the "Russian Arctic" you ordered ...

                    You take more care of yourself.
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                  321 (321) 15 December 2019 15: 20
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                  ... you do not need to think. It doesn’t work out for you ...

                  Whoever couldn’t think about it then wrote - they’ve put on a set of their mantras and opuses, that you consider them reliable does NOT mean at all that they really are, study history while you DO NOT know it.

                  Quote: PPP
                  ... Do you want to deny the fact that 08.05.1945/2/XNUMX ended XNUMXMB in Europe?
                  Not worth it. This is a documented fact ...

                  But in Moscow, 23. 01 CET is already 01.01 so at least in Russia, even in the USSR it was already May 9, and this is also a fact.

                  Quote: PPP
                  ... Yes, and here's another thing - Russia did not participate in WWII and WWII. The USSR participated in these wars.
                  But the USSR, this is not Russia. And the defense of the USSR, this is not the defense of the Fatherland for Russia. Russia has a different Fatherland. Less Soviet ...

                  Who is interested in your personal speculation? bully

                  Quote: PPP
                  ... And yet, do not tell the amers, Britons, Poles and many other countries that they were allies of the USSR in World War II. They will not understand this. They firmly believe that they were allies of the USSR in 2MB.

                  For the vast majority, it is more important that all of you listed were OUR ALLIES, and the rest are details ...
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                123 (123) 15 December 2019 22: 38
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                Don’t bother, it’s pointless to argue here, in Poland they harvested apples, free time appeared for residents of Zarobatsk, and here they draw figvah from boredom. laughing With the complete degradation of education in Ukraine, such nonsense is widespread there. Moreover, here cultural people generally will not offend, they will not weigh off the slap, not that the Polish masters, that’s why they frolic in full.
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            321 (321) 15 December 2019 00: 14
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            ... There was a Soviet-German war outside the framework of 2MB. It began on 22.06.1941/24.09.1945/XNUMX and ended on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX for everyone. What for the USSR, what for Paraguay. And the fact that the victims of "the best education in the world" do not even know basic things are their problems ....

            - Well, the fact that you are trying to pass off your mantras as the ultimate truth is your problem... hi
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              PPT (PPT) 15 December 2019 00: 28
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              Quote: 321
              It began on June 22.06.1941, 24.09.1945 and ended on September XNUMX, XNUMX.

              Ended 24.09.19/XNUMX/XNUMX41 Learn history, come in handy.
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                321 (321) 15 December 2019 18: 43
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                Start studying history from yourself, but your “little things” and everything else are your problems, you’re not able to do anything elementary, check comments tongue
                PS I’m not going to study your version of “history” ... hi
      3. Nikolai Miracles (Nikolai Chudov) 15 December 2019 11: 04
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        ... and it was after this unfortunate war that Hitler decided to attack the USSR
        ....

        Quote: chobasa (Choi Bal-san) Yesterday, 14:02
        In fact, Hitler made the decision to attack the USSR back in November 1940.

        And the Soviet-Finnish war ended even earlier, on March 13, 1940.
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      Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference) Today, 13: 40
      However, people already know that ...:

      Why each ... speaks from all the people, I didn’t give you the right to speak from me personally ...
      Until the age of 39, Finland conducted two aggressive wars against Soviet Russia, which, in the person of Lenin, gave freedom to Finland, and itself was drowned in the blood of a civil war ...
      By the way, Poland was also doing the same, to which RI presented the Constitution ....
      Offended from the West only remember the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, but for some reason they do not remember the Pilsudski Pact and the fascist Germany, and the Munich agreement, which were aimed at dividing Europe ....
      1. Moscowia delenda est (Ivanov) 14 December 2019 18: 33
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        Yes, because all these pacts and conspiracies are all the result of two rulers who do not understand with what fright they imagined themselves to be kings of the whole world. They simply could not divide this world among themselves. All these attempts to whitewash and justify Stalin and the USSR by fellow citizens, as well as those who justify Hitler, all this looks miserable and shows either poverty of mind or zombie propaganda.
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          commbatant (Sergei) 14 December 2019 18: 36
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          Moscowia delenda est
          All these attempts to whitewash and justify Stalin and the USSR by fellow citizens ...

          I missed something and the Nuremberg trials were conducted over the Soviet system, and his political and military figures were recognized as criminals?
          1. Moscowia delenda est (Ivanov) 14 December 2019 18: 42
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            No, the Soviet system was not punished by the Nuremberg trials. The Soviet system was punished by his own failure. But this is a completely different story.
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              commbatant (Sergei) 14 December 2019 18: 44
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              Quote: Moscowia delenda est
              The Soviet system was punished by his own failure. But this is a completely different story.

              So why then write comments here if this is a completely different story?
              1. Moscowia delenda est (Ivanov) 14 December 2019 19: 03
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                Because the topic of this article is about the Russo-Finnish war, and not about the USSR.
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                  commbatant (Sergei) 14 December 2019 19: 08
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                  Quote: Moscowia delenda est
                  Because the topic of this article about the Russo-Finnish war

                  And what was the Russo-Finnish war when? As far as I remember, only Soviet Russia and the USSR fought with Finland, as described in the article ..

                  not about the USSR

                  You contradict yourself by writing in your comment about:

                  All these attempts to whitewash and justify Stalin and the USSR fellow citizens

                  Apparently, you simply hate the USSR and write nasty things about him ...
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                    PPT (PPT) 14 December 2019 23: 21
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                    Quote: commbatant
                    Apparently, you simply hate the USSR and write nasty things about him ...

                    And what, you do not even think that Moscowia delenda est can be a decent person? Think everyone is like you?
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                      321 (321) 15 December 2019 00: 17
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                      His decency or lack thereof is not important here, the lack of knowledge is more important - what he has, what you have. bully
                      PS The main thing is not to be like you and your colleagues ...
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                      123 (123) 15 December 2019 22: 43
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                      And what, you do not even think that Moscowia delenda est can be a decent person?

                      You should not use the word "decent", it does not harmonize with your vocabulary at all and in this sentence it is clearly superfluous. laughing
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            PPT (PPT) 14 December 2019 23: 19
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            Quote: commbatant
            I missed something and the Nuremberg trials were conducted over the Soviet system, and his political and military figures were recognized as criminals?

            Of course they did. A recent Council of Europe resolution was missed.
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              commbatant (Sergei) 14 December 2019 23: 47
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              Quote: PPP
              A supreme Council of Europe resolution was missed.

              Since when has this sharaga become an international court within the UN?

              Details of offenses depending on the scope and focus are contained in the Hague and Geneva Conventions. The first group of documents was adopted before the First World War - in 1899 and 1907. They regulate the order of warfare, allow and prohibit the use of certain types of weapons, methods, means. The Geneva Conventions comprise a group of 11 documents adopted between 1864 and 1949. Normative acts regulate crimes against the wounded, sick, prisoners of war, civilians.
              Other documents are devoted to the regulation of war crimes. They are aimed at detailing the crimes established in the above conventions, including the conditions of modern realities of armed conflicts. Conventionally, documents can be divided into the following groups:
              Additional Protocols to the Hague and Geneva Conventions;
              Resolutions of the UN General Assembly;
              Statutes of the Nuremberg and Tokyo Tribunals, the International Tribunals for Rwanda and the Former Yugoslavia);
              other documents (industry conventions, pacts).

              The OSCE Parliamentary Assembly on Friday, July 3, adopted a resolution equalizing the gravity of the crimes committed by "two powerful totalitarian regimes, the Nazi and Stalin." This is reported by AP. In the same resolution, the day of August 23, the date of signing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, is proposed to be made a day of remembrance for the victims of Stalinism and Nazism.

              If the OSCE does not recognize the criminal Munich agreement and the Hitler-Pilsudski Pact, then, in theory, the Russian Federation has nothing to do in the Council of Europe, but the last word is up to the senior comrades ...
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                PPT (PPT) 15 December 2019 00: 21
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                Quote: commbatant
                Since when has this sharaga become an international court within the UN?

                And who said that this is a court decision? However, whether you want it or not, PACE has clearly and unequivocally formulated the opinion of Europe in this regard. And Russia will have to reckon with the opinion of Europe. This Europe can afford not to reckon with the opinion of Russia. But Russia is not in that position.

                Quote: commbatant
                If the OSCE does not recognize criminal Munich conspiracy and the Hitler-Pilsudsky Pact, then, on the idea of ​​the Russian Federation, there is nothing

                So it is not far from self-isolation. But what for is it necessary?
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                  commbatant (Sergei) 15 December 2019 00: 29
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                  PPP (PPP) Today, 00:21 AM

                  And Russia will have to reckon with the opinion of Europe.

                  ... this is just your opinion, which is exactly for everyone ....

                  But Russia is not in that position.

                  I wonder in what position? Moreover, older comrades have already spoken out officially about this ...

                  So it is not far from self-isolation.

                  Kievan Rus / Muscovy / RI / USSR / RF has always been isolated, and only from the West ... from where basically all the wars came to us ...
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                    PPT (PPT) 15 December 2019 01: 25
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                    Quote: commbatant
                    .. this is only your opinion, which is exactly for everyone ....

                    You are funny.
                    You clearly do not understand what place Russia occupies in the modern world. Naively believing that this is some kind of epic powerful and influential state. Power, so to speak.
                    Not really. This is a poor country with a poor population.
                    And this is already great progress, because The USSR was a poor state with a POVERTY population.
                    Poor and poor states have always been and will be forced to listen to the opinions of rich and influential states. Otherwise, they will simply be crushed.
                    So it was, is and will be.

                    Quote: commbatant
                    Moreover, senior comrades have already spoken out officially about this ..

                    So what?

                    Quote: commbatant
                    Kievan Rus / Muscovy / RI / USSR / RF

                    Such a series actually never existed and does not exist.
                    1. Kievan Rus never existed. There was Russia with its capital in Kiev.
                    2. Russia (today it is part of Ukraine) had nothing to do with Muscovy. Muscovy is a transformed Moscow Tartaria. And Moscow Tartaria, in turn, is a part of it that has broken away from Russia.
                    Russia since the time of Vladimir has always been an Orthodox state.
                    Moscow Tartaria was a Muslim state.
                    Muscovy under the Rurikovich was a sectarian state (like the later USSR, but in a different way). But under the Romanovs, Muscovy became an Orthodox state (Muscovy was baptized by the Romanovs, not Vladimir).
                    3. The history of Russia in the USSR is over. Finally and forever. Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation have anything to do with RI. These are completely different states on the same territory.
                    4. RI has never been in isolation. Self-isolation is a favorite feature of the Bolshevik Communists.

                    Quote: commbatant
                    and only from the West ... from where basically all the wars came to us ...

                    Wars from the West?
                    Peter Romanov attacked Sweden. This is apparently a war from the West. Russia declared war on France, but did not start hostilities, waiting until the French army came to Russia itself.
                    Also a war from the West? In 1913, Russia, using the patronage of France and Britain, attacked Germany and thereby unleashed WW1.
                    Also a war from the West?
                    To write about the collision of the RSFSR in Poland? And what about the USSR hitting Poland?
                    The only time that the war really came from the West was 1941. And this is only once in many, many centuries.
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                      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 15 December 2019 06: 58
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                      Vyatrovich’s delirium is contagious.
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                      321 (321) 15 December 2019 20: 07
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                      Quote: PPP
                      ... In 1913, Russia, using the patronage of France and Britain, drove in to Germany and thereby unleashed 1MB ....

                      What a powerful "historical term" - "ran over." laughing bully wassat
                      And after this, the same character here writes “teach history”, WE WILL NOT EXPRESSLY SUCH A HISTORY OF THIS ... hi
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          Quote: Moscowia delenda est
          They simply could not divide this world among themselves.

          Well, that’s enough for you. At peace, their gut was thin. Divided, and not divided, they are continental Europe. Only. For greater strength they did not have.

          Quote: Moscowia delenda est
          All these attempts to whitewash and justify Stalin and the USSR by fellow citizens, as well as those who justify Hitler

          Yes, such actions are quite similar in nature to the actions of neo-Nazis.
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            321 (321) 15 December 2019 00: 18
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            That is exactly what you and comrades forgot to ask about the assessment of actions. laughing
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        Quote: commbatant
        Until the age of 39, Finland had two aggressive wars against Soviet Russia.

        You are a big dreamer. Do you even know what war is? I think no.

        Quote: commbatant
        which in the person of Lenin gave freedom to Finland

        Someone Ulyanov nicknamed Lenin took, and decided everything for the RSFSR. Cool. Even the father-emperor did not possess such powers as this tramp.

        Quote: commbatant
        and she was drowned in the blood of a civil war ...

        Which the Bolsheviks unleashed by their reactionary coup of October 1917 - January 1918.

        Quote: commbatant
        By the way, Poland did the same thing.

        Actually, this is just a blatant lie. Poland and the RSFSR simply did not have a common border. Learn history, come in handy.

        Quote: commbatant
        which RI gave the Constitution ....

        RI would be better off giving the Constitution to itself. To start.

        Quote: commbatant
        but for some reason they do not remember the Pilsudski Pact and the fascist Germany, and the Munich Agreement, which were aimed at dividing Europe ....

        And what does this have to do with it? Arrows decided to translate?
        Or, following your logic, can a bad person (and should) be robbed?
        So this is flawed logic. Punishable by the Criminal Code.
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          commbatant (Sergei) 14 December 2019 23: 56
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          PPP (PPP) Today, 23: 15

          Actually, this is just a blatant lie. Poland and the RSFSR simply did not have a common border. Learn history, come in handy.

          And you also geography .... The territory of the current Republic of Belarus was part of the RSFSR and was isolated from the latter in 19 ...

          As a state entity, Belarus was created on January 1, 1919 in the form of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Belarus as part of the RSFSR. On January 31 of the same year, the SSRB withdrew from the RSFSR and was declared an independent state. Prior to this, on March 9, 1918, the Belarusian People’s Republic was proclaimed the Executive Committee of the Rada of the All-Belarusian Congress, however, it was impossible to create a fully functioning functioning system of government under the conditions of German occupation. In the occupied territory of Belarus, the main issues of the state level were actually decided not by the Rada and the People’s Secretariat of the BNR, but by the German military administration.
          On December 30, 1922, the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic became one of the 4 Soviet republics that signed the Treaty on the Formation of the USSR.

          Accordingly, after all, the common border between the RSFSR and Poland was ...
          I recommend watching (to calm my nerves) a wonderful Soviet film - "State Border". Film. 2.
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            PPT (PPT) 15 December 2019 00: 44
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            Quote: commbatant
            The territory of the current Republic of Belarus was part of the RSFSR and was allocated from the latter in 19 ...

            Yeah. From March to December 1918, there was an independent BPR. Which at the end of December 1918 was liquidated by the Red Army.
            Further, from January 1 to January 27, 1919, there was the SSRB within the RSFSR (less than a month).
            And from January 31 the BSSR. It was a formally independent entity.

            Quote: commbatant
            Accordingly, still the common border between the RSFSR and Poland was ..

            As many as 27 days.

            Quote: commbatant
            a wonderful Soviet film - "State Border". Film. 2.

            It makes no sense to watch Soviet films. Especially propaganda, such as "State Border".
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          commbatant (Sergei) 15 December 2019 00: 13
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          PPP (PPP) Today, 23: 15

          Which the Bolsheviks unleashed by their reactionary coup of October 1917 - January 1918.

          Say again to the orphans, this is a sin, this mess was started not only by the Bolsheviks ...

          From the very beginning, the Bolsheviks and their allies called the events of the October Revolution. So, at a meeting of the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies on October 25 (November 7), 1917, Lenin said his famous: “Comrades! The workers 'and peasants' revolution, the necessity of which the Bolsheviks spoke all the time, has come to pass! ”

          The Provisional Government was overthrown during the armed uprising on October 25–26 (November 7–8 in a new style), the main organizers of which were V. I. Lenin, L. D. Trotsky, Ya. M. Sverdlov, V. A. Antonov- Ovseenko, P.E. Dybenko and others. The direct leadership of the uprising was carried out by the Military Revolutionary Committee of the Petrograd Soviet, in which also included the Left Social Revolutionaries. As a result of the armed uprising, the government came to power, formed by the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets, the vast majority of the delegates of which were the Bolsheviks (RSDLP (b)) and their allies left SRssupported also by some national organizationsa small part Menshevik-internationalistsand some anarchists. In November 1917, the new government was also supported. by the majority of the Extraordinary Congress of Peasant Deputies.
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            PPT (PPT) 15 December 2019 00: 54
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            Quote: commbatant
            Say again to the orphans, this is a sin, this mess was started not only by the Bolsheviks ...

            Left-wing Socialist Revolutionaries in some places. But there were very few of them. Mostly Bolsheviks.

            Quote: commbatant
            the main organizers of which were V. I. Lenin, L. D. Trotsky, Y. M. Sverdlov, V. A. Antonov-Ovseenko, P. E. Dybenko

            And again, not true. Ulyanov sat out in the Razliv. And had nothing to do with the Bolshevik coup. This coup was carried out by other Bolsheviks under the general leadership of Bronstein (better known as Trotsky).

            Quote: commbatant
            In November 1917, the new government was also supported by a majority of the Extraordinary Congress of Peasant Deputies.

            This is all bullshit. These "peasant deputies" had nothing to do with peasants.
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    Gadlei 14 December 2019 17: 21
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    I read reviews and laugh as the “professors” couch talk about the global - after all, sitting on the couch, you only see the window, at best - the platform under the window, and that’s it. You were not there in 39 and you do not know what the situation was like at that time.
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      321 (321) 14 December 2019 18: 35
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      That is, in your opinion, you can write or draw conclusions ONLY about what you saw yourself? Think original. laughing bully
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    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 14 December 2019 21: 53
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    On this day, December 14, 1939, the League of Nations declared the USSR an aggressor country after the attack on Finland and expelled it from its composition. Before being excluded by the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, Molotov frankly lied that the USSR did not attack Finland.

    - I did not write, plagiarized.
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      PPT (PPT) 14 December 2019 23: 24
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      Quote: Igor Pavlovich
      Before being expelled as People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, Molotov openly lied that the USSR did not attack Finland. "

      And Molotov called the declaration of war in Germany, France and Britain in September 1941, a crime.
      So, it’s clear what kind of country this was, the USSR.
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        321 (321) 15 December 2019 00: 21
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        It is clear that other countries like you are NOT interested, why would it? hi
  7. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 15 December 2019 06: 00
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    Frankly, I suddenly realized that I couldn’t say anything. Not because of sympathy for the Finns. It's just that this war is very little covered. I remember the Mannerheim Line. Basically, post-war actions are always described everywhere. Historians just have to work hard.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 December 2019 08: 54
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      Everything there is very clear, there are all documents, and real historians have no doubts. And all over the world, and in Russia.
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        321 (321) 15 December 2019 20: 12
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        The real ones really do not, but you will hardly like their conclusions personally. hi
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          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 December 2019 20: 26
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          Medinsky mean?
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            321 (321) 15 December 2019 20: 40
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            Trying to vantage on an Internet? So far unsuccessful, not his. hi
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      123 (123) 15 December 2019 22: 57
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      It's just that this war is very little covered. I remember the Mannerheim Line. Basically, post-war actions are always described everywhere. Historians just have to work hard.

      I think that you are wrong in this matter, there is information, you just have to ask. You can start with this:



      Only on this channel is a whole cycle on this topic.
  8. Izzy Gubinstein Offline
    Izzy Gubinstein (Izya Gubinstein) 15 December 2019 10: 28
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    Without the revolution of 1917 there would have been no war with the Finns.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 December 2019 20: 28
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      Izzy, well, you still discover for us that the Earth revolves around the Sun. You are directly "Captain Evidence" !! The most interesting and amazing thing is that someone put a minus, probably thinks that it would be? !!! The Moscow province would probably attack the Governor-General of Finland.
  9. Oleg Rambover Offline
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 15 December 2019 12: 17
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    Regarding - aggression or not.
    In 1933, at the initiative of the USSR, a convention was adopted on the definition of aggression.

    Article II
    In accordance with this, it will be recognized as an attacker in an international conflict, without prejudice to the agreements in force between the parties to the conflict, the state that first performs one of the following actions:
    1. The declaration of war to another state;
    2. The invasion of their armed forces, at least without declaring war, on the territory of another state;
    Article III
    No consideration of a political, military, economic or other order may serve as an excuse or excuse for the aggression provided for in article II.

    That is, the Winter War is certainly an aggression of the USSR

    About -

    All the talk that the Leader wanted to “Sovietize” Finland, to return it to the USSR is, excuse me, bullshit.

    The plans of the parties have long been known. From memory, the advance of the Red Army was planned in three directions. Lapland with the aim of cutting off Finland from the Barents Sea. Central Karelia with the goal of access to the Gulf of Bothnia. Karelian Isthmus in order to exit to Helsinki. It is clear that this was a plan to capture Finland. And yes, many are right here, this war greatly undermined the authority of the Red Army, which could not defeat the army of the country, whose entire population was less than the size of the Red Army.
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    Screw (Gennady) 15 December 2019 16: 05
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    Continue the topic, author. Reading comments from interpreters of the events of 1917-1941 is not at all interesting - they are engaged in moralizing in relation to the state. One of them even with a ban, but hanging, PPP - why not remove it from viewing?
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    Vasil K. (Vasil K.) 15 December 2019 18: 52
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    Fun and furious truthfully served to those who are too lazy to look into history.
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    Oleg ZS (Oleg Zvyagin-Streshnev) 16 December 2019 01: 35
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    I would like to challenge the author of this pseudoscientific article to a duel. Distorting and manipulating historical facts, rewriting history is an unworthy and vile thing. Thus, it is possible to make a philanthropist and a pacifist from Hitler. The worst thing is that some gullible people believe in such publications.
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      321 (321) 20 December 2019 21: 36
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      But the author of this post somehow did NOT manage to open his eyes to everyone so far - what did the author of the article distort and manipulate, but promised -

      ... I would like to challenge the author of this pseudoscientific article to a duel. Distorting and juggling historical facts, rewriting history - an unworthy and vile thing. Thus, it is possible to make a philanthropist and a pacifist from Hitler. The worst thing is that some gullible people believe in such publications.
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    trahterist (Elmars) 19 January 2020 12: 07
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    Quote: PPP
    Quote: commbatant
    A lot of you got divorced "chronologists", apparently, in connection with the absence of Yuri Vladimirovich ... in power ...

    Do you want to deny the fact that 08.05.1945/2/XNUMX ended XNUMXMB in Europe?
    Not worth it. This is a documented fact.
    And the decisions of the conferences of the Allies (with the participation of the USSR), as well as the decision of the Nuremberg Tribunal, also refer to 2MB.
    Victory in the Second World War is an invention of the Bolsheviks. But the documents speak of something else. The USSR was indeed one of the winners of the Axis countries, but within the framework of WW2, not WWII.
    Yes, and here's another thing - Russia did not participate in WW2 and WWII. The USSR participated in these wars.
    But the USSR, this is not Russia. And the defense of the USSR, this is not the defense of the Fatherland for Russia. Russia has a different Fatherland. Less Soviet.
    And yet, do not tell the amers, Britons, Poles and many more countries that they were allies of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. They will not understand this. They firmly believe that they were allies of the USSR in 2MB.

    Yes Yes Yes! The "anti-Hitler coalition" won in the war, and the USSR, so, trampled down a bit.
    WWII invention of the Bolsheviks, etc. etc.
    I have only one question - did you kick in the head and beat you?
    Otherwise, the similar nonsense that you got here is unexplained.
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    trahterist (Elmars) 19 January 2020 12: 10
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Regarding - aggression or not.
    In 1933, at the initiative of the USSR, a convention was adopted on the definition of aggression.

    Article II
    In accordance with this, it will be recognized as an attacker in an international conflict, without prejudice to the agreements in force between the parties to the conflict, the state that first performs one of the following actions:
    1. The declaration of war to another state;
    2. The invasion of their armed forces, at least without declaring war, on the territory of another state;
    Article III
    No consideration of a political, military, economic or other order may serve as an excuse or excuse for the aggression provided for in article II.

    That is, the Winter War is certainly an aggression of the USSR

    About -

    All the talk that the Leader wanted to “Sovietize” Finland, to return it to the USSR is, excuse me, bullshit.

    The plans of the parties have long been known. From memory, the advance of the Red Army was planned in three directions. Lapland with the aim of cutting off Finland from the Barents Sea. Central Karelia with the goal of access to the Gulf of Bothnia. Karelian Isthmus in order to exit to Helsinki. It is clear that this was a plan to capture Finland. And yes, many are right here, this war greatly undermined the authority of the Red Army, which could not defeat the army of the country, whose entire population was less than the size of the Red Army.

    But then to 09.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX. recouped by FULL.
    For which the army of the Red Army honor and respect!
  17. State thesis in 2-3 sentences.