Western expert: Russia is no superpower


A certain part of Western political scientists are not tired of saying that Russia is not a superpower, but at the same time all their statements revolve around its capabilities in the international arena, and all discussions about a new balance of power in the world do not go without mentioning our country.


The French political scientist Gilles Kepel, who in an interview with the Swiss publication Tages-Anzeiger, said that he did not consider Russia a superpower, but noted that “Moscow was the only winner in the Syrian drama,” was no exception.

In the light of the fact that in the face of the militants of the Islamic state * Russia faced with nothing else but the interests of the US and the EU, which are superpowers, this statement sounds rather strange.

It seems even stranger given the fact that Russia won in this confrontation - it forced the superpower to abandon its plans to change the legally elected leadership of Syria.

According to Kepel, in connection with the change in the balance of power, Europe itself must take care of its defense.

If Europe is strong and united, then it will cope

- the political scientist expressed confidence that in the context of his previous statement it cannot be regarded otherwise than an indication that the Europeans will have to deal with Russia.

And again the question arises: “Why would the EU superpower worry about Russia, which, according to Kepel,“ is not a superpower? ”

Looking at such political scientists, the suspicion arises involuntarily that either Europe is not as strong as Western political scientists say, or Western political scientists are not so strong in the subject they are talking about.

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  1. Observer2014 Offline
    Observer2014 8 December 2019 18: 37
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    Yes. Russia is not a superpower. Such a beggarly minimum wage in the superpower cannot be. The inability to project power anywhere in the world does not exist either. Not to be confused with a global nuclear strike. There are 24 pennants in the country, capable of going to the ocean. Regional Yes. But not a superpower.
    1. Pishenkov Online
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 December 2019 22: 58
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      ... that the USSR was a superpower and could project power to any point on the planet, no one doubts ... and the minimum wage and even the "SROT". wink (middle, that is) there was no one, even compared to nothing representing dwarf states in the same Europe ...
      Not quite in the minimum wage, apparently. The rest is in the comment below ...
      1. vvnab Offline
        vvnab (Vitali) 9 December 2019 15: 54
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        In a socialist state, all these minimum wages, monthly wages and even GDP can go through the woods. A completely different structure of the economy. The main revenues go to public consumption funds, ideally, the PO is needed only for the acquisition of luxury goods, everything you need for life can be obtained for free. How to count here?
        1. Pishenkov Online
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 17: 36
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          ...Yes, I understand, smile the Union didn’t even have such a thing ... I mean that “superpower” and the salaries of people inside the country have very little influence on each other, and these factors are not particularly interconnected.
          But about the fact that in the USSR the salary was only "for the purchase of luxury goods", I do not agree - far from the whole state "distributed". Prices for the bulk of consumer goods were such that there were enough small salaries, according to world standards, for a living. Although the size of this salary very much depended on what people ate, what they wore, where they went to rest, etc.
        2. Ravshan Offline
          Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 18: 14
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          Quote: vvnab
          In a socialist state, all these minimum wages, monthly wages and even GDP can go through the woods.

          Clear business. The slaves of "socialism" are not up to the minimum wage. They should at least fill the belly with potatoes and sleep for 8 hours.
          Such a share among them, among slaves. No matter how you call these slaveholdings, socialism there or something else.

          Quote: vvnab
          A completely different structure of the economy.

          Damn, you’re just Marx and Keynes in one bottle.
          Of course, the device of the capitalist and slave-owning mode of production is ABSOLUTELY different.

          Quote: vvnab
          Main income goes to public consumption funds

          Where? IN THE USSR? Are you out of your mind?
          FOPs in the USSR were funded on a residual basis. And all the money went to the development and production of weapons.
          These weapons were many. Only now, their capacity was in great question.

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          Everything you need for life can be obtained for free.

          Is free? Was something free in the USSR?
          You obviously rave in reality.
          We read tales about a goldfish, a difficult pike and a magic wand.
          1. Pishenkov Online
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 19: 00
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            These weapons were many. Only now, their capacity was in great question.

            - this, apparently, is only with you, poorly educated. More than anyone, including our enemies, the capacity of Soviet weapons did not raise questions. Many, and having entered NATO from it, which has been in service for decades, are somehow in no hurry to give up ... And the Union has been gone for a long time, but this weapon still works ...
            About what was free in the USSR, as well as about your knowledge in the field of social organization - slavery / capitalism / socialism - in general NO COMMENT, as our class enemies say ... laughing You do not seem to have studied in the USSR, hence the bottom in knowledge ... laughing
            1. Ravshan Offline
              Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 19: 23
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              Quote: Pyshenkov
              ... the capacity of Soviet weapons did not raise questions.

              In fact, the capacity of Soviet weapons has always been doubtful.
              And they received it most often for free, as a gift.
              Some changed to bananas or palm oil.
              And some, if given a large discount, even bought for money. But only if very cheap.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              Many, and having entered NATO from it, which has been in service for decades, are somehow in no hurry to refuse.

              Rearmament is an expensive thing. Therefore, they are not in a hurry.

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              and this weapon still works ...

              Why shouldn’t he work?
              Another thing is HOW it works. And most often it works BAD.
              Because it is a "Soviet weapon." A kind of "Soviet production". Which just looks like a real one.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              About what was free in the USSR, as well as about your knowledge in the field of social organization - slavery / capitalism / socialism - in general NO COMMENT.

              And again, do not read more fairy tales about a goldfish, a difficult pike, a magic wand and something free in the USSR.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              It seems that you did not study in the USSR, hence the bottom in knowledge ..

              The bottom of knowledge is precisely those who "studied" in the USSR.
              1. Pishenkov Online
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 21: 05
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                The bottom of knowledge is precisely those who "studied" in the USSR.

                - apparently, that is precisely why, in contrast to the modern Russian Federation, even, with rare exceptions, university diplomas are not automatically recognized. The Soviet people have been recognized and are still recognized. And specialists with Soviet education abroad "tear off with their hands." The USSR’s education still serves me, I’m not complaining. And comparing it with the western (I can wink ), I only understand its limitations. We, apart from the profession, were taught and thinking. In the West, as a rule, it is professions that are taught. I am generally silent about the general education school for children - only highly paid private educational institutions can be compared with the school of the USSR in the quality of general education. The fact that for the “people” is simply below the plinth ... It’s a pity where the “developed humanity” is going, and with it the RF too ... Education, unfortunately, for the most part can not be compared with the Soviet ...
                1. Ravshan Offline
                  Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 21: 18
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                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  The Soviet people have been recognized and are still recognized.

                  You tell the psychiatrist. Soviet diplomas were not recognized anywhere in the West and are not recognized.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  And specialists with Soviet education abroad "tear off with their hands."

                  Of course. Dishwashers tear off. Floor-polishers.
                  Nobody needs “Soviet specialists” in the West.

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                  The USSR’s education still serves me, I’m not complaining.

                  Yeah. You are not complaining. People are complaining.
                  I in particular.

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                  We, apart from the profession, were taught and thinking.

                  Thinking in the USSR was strictly forbidden. I’m in the know.

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                  in the West, as a rule, it is professions that are taught.

                  And in the USSR they taught mainly "Marxism-Leninism" (such a pseudo-religion). There was little sense from such "training".
                  And who would teach?
                  Old teachers (pre-revolutionary) were shot and cut. And the new ones themselves didn’t know. Only in the late 40s and early 50s did the German migrant workers slightly learn their basics of science.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  Only high-paying private educational institutions can be compared with the USSR school in the quality of general education.

                  What nonsense. In Soviet schools, they taught approximately the same thing that they taught in universities - obedience and humility.

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                  It’s a pity where “developed humanity” is going, and with it the Russian Federation too ...

                  No, developed humanity separately, the Russian Federation separately. RF is still far from developed humanity. But there is movement in that direction. And this is good.

                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  Education, unfortunately, for the most part can not be compared with the Soviet ...

                  Of course, it is gradually transforming and returning to normal. Those. it is already better than the Soviet one. And it will be even better.
                  1. Pishenkov Online
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 22: 01
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                    Oh god What porridge can be in the head of one person! By the way, they didn’t answer the question of where you live ... It’s just interesting where SUCH can survive, and even have access to the Internet without restrictions ... it's even strange ... Not only do you have TAM education , so also medicine, apparently, zero ... Maybe you have all this in your head and movement is free? ...
                    1. Ravshan Offline
                      Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 22: 10
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                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      What porridge can be in the head of one person!

                      You would pay more attention to your head. Highly recommend.
                    2. A.Lex Offline
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 10 December 2019 09: 47
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                      Alexei, reading the comments of this Morally Edited Man, it is very difficult to get rid of the feeling that he had plunged into something dirty and vile, with a bad smell ... An abomination, it is an abomination ...
                    3. 321 Offline
                      321 (321) 16 December 2019 17: 25
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                      Quote: Pyshenkov
                      Oh god What porridge can be in the head of one person! By the way, they didn’t answer the question of where you live ... It’s just interesting where SUCH can survive, and even have access to the Internet without restrictions ... even strange ...

                      It’s all simple - it’s an ordinary Russophobia, and he (she) who wasn’t here already - and Ravshan, and the Black Army, and the one who, according to the precepts of Cato Utic, dreams of destroying Muscovy ...
                      An analogue of the local Sake, but with fewer grammatical errors, but there its theories there - about Tartaria and so on, nothing interesting, I DO NOT recommend spending time ...
            2. A.Lex Offline
              A.Lex (Secret information) 10 December 2019 09: 43
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              Alexei, this Bandera pretends to be “Russian” (in another article, he threatened to “not give Russia to me” and divides the USSR and the Russian Federation - such as different countries). It is enough to read his statements - his whole essence of banderlog or liberoid kraakl (which has too little difference) immediately creeps out.
              1. Pishenkov Online
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 14: 04
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                But I wonder where he lives. Something tells me that it’s just in Russia. And maybe he would like to leave, and nobody needs anywhere with such “knowledge” ... To understand this, even he has this gyrus tied with a knot. Only the motherland suffers such "sons" ... like the mother of a sick child ...
                1. 321 Offline
                  321 (321) 16 December 2019 17: 31
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                  Another option is not ruled out - here he just pays for all of his opuses, who exactly is not interesting to me ...
                  1. Pishenkov Online
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 17: 43
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                    It’s hard to believe ... somehow I really haven’t met anyone who is paid for carrying out frank nonsense ...
                    For articles are different, for holding a certain opinion on forums, etc. yes, but no nonsense ... it’s more likely to discredit certain ideas.
          2. vvnab Offline
            vvnab (Vitali) 9 December 2019 20: 34
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            Where? IN THE USSR? Are you out of your mind?

            Inattentively read. I did not write what happened in the USSR, I wrote that in a socialist state in IDEAL it is. Well, in the USSR, of course, many features of such a state were present.
            1. Ravshan Offline
              Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 20: 40
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              Quote: vvnab
              ..in a socialist state in IDEAL so.

              The “socialist state”, if translated from the language of Soviet citizens into Russian, is one of the varieties of theocratic (based on the pseudo-religion Marxism-Leninism) slave-owning society. In fact, a huge totalitarian sect that seized power throughout the country.
              Of course, the slaves of the Sect (Soviet citizens) Wages and other crap were not interesting. They should have eaten at least something to the dump (it was far from always possible to be full), and to sleep for at least 8 hours in warmth. That's all the dreams.
      2. Ravshan Offline
        Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 18: 08
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        Quote: Pyshenkov
        ... that the USSR was a superpower and could project power to anywhere on the planet, no one doubts ...

        The USSR could only dream and tell these fables to Soviet citizens on this subject.
        And when the “cock pecked in the ass,” then “Pakistan’s great superpower” could not afford. Then it is NOT NUCLEAR.
        Failing to cope with Pakistan, the USSR also failed to cope with Afghanistan, which Pakistan protected.
        I had to bring home.
        But their history does not teach anything.
        They still live in propaganda films of the Soviet era.

        Quote: Pyshenkov
        Not quite in the minimum wage, apparently.

        Yeah. In Ponte, probably.
        1. Pishenkov Online
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 19: 07
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          And when the cock pecked in the ass, then the "great superpower of the USSR" even Pakistan could not afford. Then it is NOT NUCLEAR.

          - I heard many different examples, with which the USSR, as it were, could not cope, but this one, in my opinion, is the most de-b-ln ... Or one of. wassat Did Pakistan once "peck" us? Ravshan (Dzhigit), is it maybe someone who pecked your head? Well, what mountain-desert eagle did your Temochka mix up with the booty of a steppe rabbit? Or donkey kicked when they came from the rear? ... laughing You need to be careful ... And then you’re talking such nonsense ...
          1. Ravshan Offline
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 19: 25
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            Quote: Pyshenkov
            Did Pakistan once "peck" us?

            Even as pecked. At the time of the war in Afghanistan, just pecked.
            And the "great and urinary USSR" was offended. Since he was not capable of anything more.
            1. Pishenkov Online
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 19: 52
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              Even as pecked. At the time of the war in Afghanistan, just pecked.

              - maybe an example wink в your stories?
              Or, then, can you tell us who the United States pecks even longer than the USSR? laughing Also Pakistan? But already nuclear? ... what embarrassment ... is the US also not a superpower? laughing
              1. Ravshan Offline
                Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 20: 00
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                Quote: Pyshenkov
                ..can then tell us who the United States pecks

                The USA is not very interesting to me. Why translate arrows?

                Quote: Pyshenkov
                Is the US not a superpower either?

                The USA is precisely the only superpower in the world for 80 years.
                1. Pishenkov Online
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 21: 12
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                  The USA is precisely the only superpower in the world for 80 years.

                  - is that since 1939?
                  Your story is really very strange, inexplicable, I would say. And what exactly is it since 1939 they signed up for Super ...? Not earlier and not later? By the way, 80 years ago, as now, you would not agree on this even in the United States itself ... which you are not interested in ...
                  And how can one not be interested - if the States are a superpower, how can they not defeat the backward in Afghanistan? They give a peck to anyone who doesn’t get caught? ... Probably, the USA is not super ... but who then, can everyone beloved Israel? laughing
                  1. Ravshan Offline
                    Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 21: 26
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                    Quote: Pyshenkov
                    And what exactly is it since 1939 they signed up for Super ...?

                    Signed up.

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                    Not earlier and not later?

                    No, they tried, of course, earlier. But they signed up only in 1939. When the nerd Churchill finally surrendered the British Empire to them.
                    But Chamberlain warned him ...

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                    how can they somehow not win backward in Afghanistan?

                    But they do not fight there.

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                    and who then, can beloved Israel by all?

                    Israel has no nuclear weapons. Rumor has it that there are, but no carriers. And without nuclear weapons, this is a suitcase without a handle.
                    1. Pishenkov Online
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 22: 09
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                      ABOUT! ... about the carriers, I guess you peeped at me! ... Little rascal! wassat But not carefully. For smart to pass anyway will not work. They have carriers, that's for sure, unlike nuclear weapons. Only they, these carriers, are applicable exclusively for regional consumption and against regional players.
                      And about the record of the United States somewhere in 1939, as well as about Britain’s loss of the empire at the same time - I have to admit that you did not see a history textbook at all. At first he said that they saw only from the outside - he was mistaken, I apologize.
                      1. Ravshan Offline
                        Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 22: 14
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                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        I guess you peeped at me! ...

                        But what about! I’m just learning from you, Sansay.

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                        but it won’t work out clever anyway.

                        Damn, but as I wanted!

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        They have carriers, that's for sure

                        Ballistic missiles?
                        Well, well.
                        The winged ones do not count, they will not fly far, they will not take away much.

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                        a history textbook you have not seen at all.

                        You follow yourself more. And after all, some in the book see only figs.
                        And not all books are useful. Soviet “textbooks,” for example, are definitely harmful.
                      2. Pishenkov Online
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 23: 58
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                        ... something it all reminds me of. Yes, and still there are doubts that in the world there are really many people like you ... Hardly. I have a much better opinion of humanity. There can be only a few of them, otherwise humanity would be bent ... What was your NICK before? I think there were several of them ... All banned? For stupidity or for rudeness? ...
                      3. A.Lex Offline
                        A.Lex (Secret information) 10 December 2019 09: 51
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                        Aleksey, it is evident even among editors and moderators (from such illiteracy and idolatry before amers) patience withstood! laughing laughing laughing
  • Gadlei Offline
    Gadlei 9 December 2019 08: 02
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    Nobody even says in Russia that it is a superpower - Western politicians are trying to drive us into the head, and on this wave Western residents drive into our heads that Russia is a monster.
    1. Pishenkov Online
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 17: 38
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      A monster and a superpower are two very different things. Russia is a superpower, it has always been, whether someone likes it or not. Russia is a superpower both in size, in strength, and in capabilities, and in achievements. And one must be proud of it.
      1. Ravshan Offline
        Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 18: 26
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        Quote: Pyshenkov
        Russia is a superpower, it has always been, whether someone likes it or not.

        In your world, the impossible is possible, as we see.
        It is a pity that the world around you has nothing to do.
        Russia is a poor country with a poor population.
        In fact, Russia is not much different from Mexico (Mexico is slightly richer, slightly richer and Mexicans).
        In addition, after the collapse of the slave system in the USSR (better known as “Soviet socialism”), Russia switched to building a feudal economy (after the slave system of production, it will ALWAYS first have a feudal, and sometime later, capitalist) model in Latin America. This is due to the fact that the Bolsheviks in the USSR cut the national elite to the root and now the country simply can not follow the European path (there are no conditions for this).
        Therefore, either the Latin American path of DEVELOPMENT, or the degradation and subsequent assimilation of neighboring peoples.
        And the Latin American path of development, it is not as unproblematic as the European one. He is VERY problematic.

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        And one must be proud of it.

        A fool doesn’t need a penny
        You’re lying to him from three baskets,
        And do what you like with him.


        This is from Pinocchio. You and people like you are very suitable.
        Somewhere he noticed some opportunities. And achievements. And power.
        1. Pishenkov Online
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 19: 24
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          Russia proceeded to the construction of a feudal economy (after the slave-owning mode of production there will ALWAYS first be a feudal, and sometime later, capitalist) model in Latin America.

          - Today you can analyze directly into quotes! lol You seem to have seen a history textbook, even a school one, only from the outside? Or was he a "Latin American model", and you are neither in Spanish, nor Portuguese or "boom-boom"? Can you tell me when feudalism was in Latin America? Or in the same USA? Immediately after slavery? lol
          What kind of ass are you yourself living in, that you are so offended by every mention that Russia is a superpower? And what is such a scanty education?
          1. Ravshan Offline
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 19: 36
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            Quote: Pyshenkov
            Today you can parse directly into quotes!

            Many do so.

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            You seem to have seen a history textbook, even a school one, only from the outside?

            The Soviet "history textbook" is nothing more than a "fairy tale epic" of one of the peoples of the world (today, fortunately, is dying out for physiological reasons). "Soviet history" had nothing to do with science history.

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            Can you tell me when feudalism was in Latin America?

            He is now there in places. Feudalism should not be confused with horsemen rided in armor.
            And the rest of the OEF, too, should not be confused. OEF. it is a question of property, not tinsel, such as kings, horsemen, peasants in shackles and other crap.

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            that you are so offended by every mention that Russia is a superpower?

            Who told you that? I simply pointed out that Russia is not even a regional power. This is just a poor nation with a nuclear club, such as Pakistan.
            And is it "insulting" here? What are you making up there? Can't give up Soviet habits?
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              Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 19: 55
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              ... well, you are even far from the "epic" laughing Knights and Pinocchio laughing And you somehow evaded the question about the place of residence ... shame? It happens ... Not everyone can live in decent states ...
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    av58 (Andrei) 9 December 2019 22: 14
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    In the Soviet Union there was not even a minimum wage, and the country was called a superpower :-)
  • Sergey39 Offline
    Sergey39 (Sergei) 8 December 2019 19: 25
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    These paid "experts" simply work out the money paid to them. There are enough such "experts" everywhere, including ours. And some commentators voluntarily contribute.
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      Observer2014 8 December 2019 20: 21
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      Quote: Sergey39
      These paid "experts" simply work out the money paid to them. There are enough such "experts" everywhere, including ours. And some commentators voluntarily contribute.

      Give a handkerchief? Are you offended that Russia at this stage is not a superpower? What are your criteria for determining a superpower? I say that Russia is now a regional power.
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        Sergey39 (Sergei) 9 December 2019 13: 43
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        Yes, am I against it? Regional so regional. And there are enough problems. But this does not mean at all that all these problems need to be pulled out for any reason, to brag about your courage and play into the hands of your enemy.
      2. Ravshan Offline
        Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 18: 27
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        Quote: Observer2014
        I say that Russia is now a regional power.

        Regional? And where is her "region"?
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 21: 15
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          The globe ... a small one, mostly blue, sometimes green and brown ... region. For a superpower just right, well, also near-Earth space ... wink
          1. A.Lex Offline
            A.Lex (Secret information) 10 December 2019 09: 55
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            laughing And he has one globe - yellow-black-haired. laughing
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    nnz226 (Nikolai) 8 December 2019 20: 29
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    Actually, there was such a European “leader” (aka the Fuhrer), who also claimed that Russia - a colossus with feet of clay - ended badly, then they found a charred carcass in the courtyard of the Reich Chancellery ...
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      Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 18: 30
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      Quote: nnz226
      ... that Russia is a colossus with feet of clay

      And he was right.
      Only in vain did the USSR call Russia.

      Quote: nnz226
      ended badly, then a charred carcass was found in the courtyard of the Reich Chancellery ...

      This is the Americans have tried more.
      Fit into 2MB and defeated everyone there. Including Britain. With the "robots", of course, they won. Those. with assistants. One of which was the USSR.
      1. Pishenkov Online
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 19: 58
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        This is the Americans have tried more.
        Fit into 2MB and defeated everyone there.

        - wrong again! That you see "Four Tankers and a Dog" did not look. The Poles in World War II “fit in and defeated everyone” ... Study the story the next time in serious films! You won’t look so stupid!
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          Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 20: 14
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          Quote: Pyshenkov
          The Poles in World War II "fit in and defeated everyone" ...

          Poles during and after the WWII, the Americans threw the coolest.
          It’s not even clear why.
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            Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 22: 25
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            Come on! But what about? Few German compatriots attributed to them? Or surrendered to the social camp? And what were they supposed to do in 1945, superpowers? The armies in Europe then stood, one very small and insignificant feudal backward country, you know, yes, such that the US superpower somehow had no desire to conflict with them ... So that they would not be thrown back to the English Channel .. Yes, and it was still necessary to help the superpower in the East - the Japanese had a millionth army there, on land, against which the Americans somehow could not fight ... They did not have an adequate land army ...
            Then, in general, a lot of people whose life situation changed - the whole world was taken and divided in two - the US superpower and some others, such a small, backward, feudal and nondescript, the USSR was called ..... But it was not a superpower, it’s completely gone Stalin at the conference, just when the land was being distributed, and took half the world ... Lucky, in short ... Or the superpower in the leadership had suckers ... It seems? - In my opinion, no.
            Just sat TWO superpowers and divided the world. And in no other way. It’s different only in fairy tales, about Pinocchio, which you quote ... Maybe it’s time to move on to more serious materials to study history?
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              Ravshan (Jamsut) 10 December 2019 09: 50
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              Quote: Pyshenkov
              Few German compatriots attributed to them?

              Little, of course. More taken away.
              In August 1941, the USSR refused all territorial acquisitions in Poland in 1939 (the Maisky-Sikorsky agreement). Otherwise, the USSR was not taken into the Anti-Hitler coalition.
              But in 1945, in Yalta, the USSR requested these lands back, such as what kind of a winner is this if the land becomes smaller. Because in Yalta, the United States still needed a Red Army landing on the Japanese islands (and these would be huge losses that the Amers could not bear), the Yankees went to meet the USSR.
              As a result, they decided to transfer to the USSR all the lands of Germany claimed by the Poles. And along with East Prussia (and not only that). So that the USSR could exchange territories with Poland.
              As a result of such an exchange:
              - The USSR received back taken from Poland in 1939.
              - Poland received in compensation for this all disputed lands with Germany, plus the bulk of East Prussia. But its area even after that still became smaller than it was in 1939.
              - This territorial exchange was masked by the introduction of another main (fictitious in fact) winner of Germany, France. Because taking into account the lands transferred to Poland, the territorially remaining zone of the USSR occupation in Germany became very small, noticeably less than 1/3. And it had to be somehow explained.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              Or surrendered to the social camp?

              Exactly. Surrendered to the Bolsheviks. And it’s not clear why. The Poles tried hard during the course of 2MB.

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              In Europe, the army then stood, one very small and meaningless feudal backward country

              1. In 1945 (in fact, from 1927 to 1991 inclusive, that is, during the period of "Soviet socialism"), the USSR was a slave-owning country. The country using the feudal mode of production of the USSR was in the so-called. "Leninist period" (aka the period of "Soviet power"). Those. from 1922 to 1927
              2. Yes, the Red Army without the American rear, in itself, did not mean anything.

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              the US superpower somehow had no desire to conflict with them ...

              What for? Why did the US have to conflict with the USSR?
              How did the USSR interfere with the USA?

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              So that they are not thrown back into the English Channel ...

              Are you out of your mind?
              In 1945, even 16-year-olds were called up to the Red Army.
              The USSR, ALREADY LOSING 20% of its pre-war population (42 million people), was on its last legs.
              The USSR had no chance in the war with the USA in 1945. In the USSR, everyone would simply die out of hunger. And very fast.
              After the abolition of Lend-Lease in late 1945 in the USSR, and so, without any war, the famine of 1946 began.

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              Yes, and still had a superpower in the East

              With Japan, the United States and without the USSR did a great job. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were quite enough for the Japanese.

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              They did not have an adequate land army ...

              You are funny. You write such nonsense. You don’t know the story at all.
              Probably, you assume that the Japanese evacuated from the islands themselves, only seeing the Americans from afar.

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              the whole world was taken and divided in two

              Only in the inflamed consciousness of the Bolsheviks. In fact, there was NEVER such a division. It is a myth.
              The world after 1939. ALL belonged to the USA. It belongs to the United States and now.
              And attempts to stick his head in the sand will end in only one ......

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              Stalin went to the conference, just when the land was being distributed, and took half the world ...

              Mongolia, Poland, 1/3 of Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary, is it half the world?
              You are not just funny, you are very funny.

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              Just sat TWO superpowers and divided the world.

              In your pink dreams.
              The USSR was NEVER a superpower. His gut was thin for this.
              There are no Holodrans (and the USSR was basically a gathering of crazy half-witted, and no more) superpower.
              And real boys (superpower) NEVER sit with them at the negotiating table.
              Once again for those who did not understand the first time. The USSR (like China in Asia with Ethiopia in Africa) was a native army for Europeans (in Europe). For his labors during WW2 he was rewarded with “beads” (Mongolia, Poland, 1/3 of Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary were transferred to his zone of influence).
              That's all.
              Whether 42 million people who died in the USSR during WWII were worth saving the Bolshevik power in the USSR and receiving the “socialist camp” as a gift, this is a rhetorical question. Of course, NOT WORTH.

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              Maybe it's time to move on to more serious materials to study history?

              Are you hinting at a brief training manual of the propagandist of the CPSU district committee?
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        nnz226 (Nikolai) 9 December 2019 21: 30
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        Yeah, when the Germans sent them pendals in the Ardennes, they quickly raised a squeal through Churchill:

        The Union Command would be interested to know whether the Red Army will launch an offensive on any part of the Soviet-German front in the coming days?

        And in Berlin in May 1945, they did not see the view, and did not hear it ... The Red Army of the Führer brought to suicide ...
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          Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 21: 37
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          And in Berlin in May 1945, they did not see the view, nor did they hear it ...

          Конечно.
          Taking well-fortified enemy cities (shedding blood) is the fate of native armies.
          And the business of the Americans (bosses) is to share the fruits of victory.

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          The Red Army of the Führer brought to suicide ...

          The USSR in September 1941 completely fell under the Americans. Joining the Anti-Hitler Coalition.
          After that, there was no independent Red Army. It was the native army of the Americans in Europe. Exactly the same as the Chinese army in Asia and the Ethiopian army in Africa.
          Dzhugashvili, like Chiang Kai-shek and Selassie, the Americans politely called "an ally." But it was a "junior partner." Type of Native American leader during the Anglo-French Wars on the American continent.
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 13: 29
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          when the Germans hung pendals in the Ardennes

          - they didn’t hang pendals to them, they just sent them to flight and total panic. And if the fuel did not end, it is generally not known how this whole "Second Front" would end ...
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    123 (123) 8 December 2019 21: 24
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    An interesting question is what is a superpower. There are no exact criteria. That there were two superpowers, the USA and the USSR - no one will argue. I think I will not be mistaken if I say military and economic power. Military power many times greater than other countries or groups of countries, the ability to defeat them in a war or destroy another superpower in nuclear weapons. These two countries were able to defend their position, no one could resist them. This determined the degree of influence. As for economic power, in this confrontation, it was supposed to ensure the functioning of the military “machine” and in peacetime the existence of the state itself and influence on a group of allies or, if you like, satellite. Since then, much has changed, nothing has happened to the United States, they have remained a superpower. As for Russia, military force has remained, despite the reduction of the army. To consider that someone can defeat Russia is not serious, and we can still destroy the United States. With the economy, everything is worse, but we can still defend our position, although it is given by great efforts and making it more difficult. Whether new superpowers have appeared is a moot point. China’s economic power is great, but militarily it’s not up to the United States. It’s impossible to become a superpower without military force. This is not an auction. The one who paid the most won, in this case does not work. India? I doubt it very much. EU? It does not matter that this is not one state, but a union of countries, we are not confused that the United States is also a union of states, we are just used to calling them states and we perceive it as a single state. Try translating the word state into English. So, with the economy in the EU it’s not bad, but the language does not turn out to call them a superpower. After the exit of Britain, the nuclear status depends solely on France, that’s all. I think it doesn’t matter whether we are called a superpower or not, the main thing is that we can defend our position. The fate of the rest is to discuss and envy, there is not enough strength for more.
    But to talk about the status of a superpower, focusing on the size of the minimum wage or the number of ships, can only strange people with fly agaric on their heads.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 December 2019 22: 42
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      I think a superpower is that:
      firstly, it itself can, if something happens, oppose itself to another superpower, or even to several, defending its own interests;
      secondly, it can independently influence world politics, carry out political actions on a global scale.
      In both cases, it does not matter at all how this is achieved - by military force, economic potential or something else. As a rule, this happens to be a kind of symbiosis of various qualities, achievements and abilities of the state in various proportions. The fact of the possibility of influencing events on a planetary scale is important.
      In my opinion, there are three such superpowers - the USA, the Russian Federation and the PRC. The EU, with all due respect, cannot independently influence world affairs as a subject. And, unlike the United States, which is still a single state entity - a federation, with a unified system of power at the level of federation, administration, issue of banknotes, a unified army and much more, the European Union is still very far in many ways from the status of a single state education.
      The EU is not even a confederation, and not a power, and certainly not a superpower, a respected Frenchman can relax about this ...
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        123 (123) 8 December 2019 23: 11
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        I don’t mind, as a matter of fact, we are talking about the same thing, it is possible that your topic has been disclosed in more detail somewhere. Just one clarification,

        And, unlike the United States, which is still a single state entity - a federation

        As far as I remember, this is not written in the US Constitution, there are also signs of a confederation (various laws, for example). But the line between the federation and the confederation is so unsteady and vague that it is not worth delving into this topic. We are interested in state formations, regardless of their form (say, centers of power) and you are absolutely right, the degree of integration in the EU is not sufficient and it is premature to consider them as a single state. Rather, a "pack of comrades" laughing
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 December 2019 23: 25
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          ... before writing this, exactly the same thoughts occurred to me ... wink therefore looked at the definition of confederation. The US is officially a federation. There is still a border there - the sovereignty of the incoming states. The nominally existing confederation of Switzerland, although it really does not already correspond to the concept. Apparently, the modern confederation is what the so-called "Union State" of the Russian Federation and Belarus is going to ...
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            123 (123) 8 December 2019 23: 32
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            It could even be. We will wait for the results of the negotiations.
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      Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 18: 51
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      Quote: 123
      An interesting question is what is a superpower. There are no exact criteria.

      How is it, no? Just as it is.

      Quote: 123
      That there were two superpowers, the USA and the USSR - no one will argue.

      Why not argue with frank delirium? The "superpower USSR" at one time could not conquer Afghanistan. Which was protected by Pakistan.
      That is what the "power" of the USSR really was.

      Quote: 123
      I think I will not be mistaken if I say military and economic power.

      The USSR had neither one nor the other.

      Quote: 123
      Military power many times greater than other countries or groups of countries, the ability to defeat them in a war or destroy another superpower in nuclear weapons.

      About nuclear weapons, the story, of course, is cool. Just tell me where and when did the USSR use these weapons?
      Nowhere and never. Therefore, it does not count and it is not necessary to braid it.
      And conventional weapons in the USSR were extremely weak, since the USSR simply could not produce normal weapons. Since in technical and technological terms it was an extremely backward state.

      Quote: 123
      As for economic power, in this confrontation, it was supposed to ensure the functioning of the military “machine” and in peacetime the existence of the state itself and influence on a group of allies or, if you like, satellites.

      The USSR did not have any economic power. It was a poor state with a poor population. Stories about the economic power of the USSR can only cause laughter among those who understand something in the economy.

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      China's economic power is great.

      Actually not really. Something like Japan.
      Although, of course, this is a very high level. But comparing it with the USA is simply ridiculous.

      Quote: 123
      but militarily, to the United States, I think, and does not reach Russia.

      The USA is not clear. And as for Russia, do not hesitate. China is much stronger. Factor of.

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      India? I doubt it very much.

      What do you doubt? India is also much more powerful than Russia.
      No, India is not China. But much more powerful than Russia. In every way.

      Quote: 123
      It does not matter that this is not one state, but a union of countries, we are not confused that the United States is also a union of states, we are just used to calling them states and we perceive it as a single state. Try translating the word state into English.

      In fact, do not confuse the European Union and United States.
      These are different political formations.

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      So, with the economy in the EU is not bad.

      With what to compare. Actually, not very good. Especially in recent years.

      Quote: 123
      After Britain came out ...

      In fact, after the British exit, the EU will only become politically stronger. There was very little benefit from the Britons.
      Yes, and they were superfluous there. Obviously.

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      ... the main thing is that we can defend our position.

      To defend your position, you must have power. Economic, of course, in the first place. But economically, Russia is the 21st economy of the world.
      Therefore, it does not have any noticeable power.
      And therefore, it is not that it is not a superpower, but not even a power (regional).
      Russia is a kind of Pakistan.
      There are nuclear weapons, but nothing else. Just a state (not a power) with a nuclear club.

      Quote: 123
      But to talk about the status of a superpower, focusing on the size of the minimum wage or the number of ships, can only strange people with fly agaric on their heads.

      Amanita in the head of those who do not understand that the economy is primary, and the military glands are secondary. Those who still do not understand this can study the "experience of the USSR." Which set up an incredible amount of these pieces of iron. And it collapsed because the local people simply had nothing to eat.
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        123 (123) 9 December 2019 20: 25
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        Ravshan (Jamsut)

        Could you write this nonsense to anyone else? I'm, after all, not a psychiatrist. Thank you for understanding. hi
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          Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 20: 41
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          Quote: 123
          I'm, after all, not a psychiatrist.

          Of course. I am aware that you are on the other side of the barricades.
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 22: 36
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          DO NOT! No need to blame others! no I'm not iron either! It’s quite enough for me too! The worst thing is that, based on the formula “against scrap, etc ...”, the answer to this nonsense is only the same, and I am simply not able to generate such pathological nonsense! request You still can’t save the patient, so why strain? ...
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 December 2019 21: 27
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    What difference does it make them or our sales experts.
    Drive in the "signs of a superpower" and see how it is ...
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      123 (123) 8 December 2019 23: 21
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      He drove in and looked. hi There is no single definition, even in the damned Wikipedia there are two laughing

      A superpower is an independent state with tremendous political, economic, cultural and military (necessarily including strategic nuclear weapons in the modern world) superiority over most other states (including other great powers and nuclear powers) [1].
      A superpower is a very powerful state with huge political, economic, military and cultural potentials, which has superiority over most other states, which allows it to exercise hegemony not only in its region, but also in the most remote parts of the planet [2].
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 December 2019 23: 28
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        Wikipedia is also not a panacea for everything. Although all of the above to the Russian Federation, in my opinion, is suitable. And, again, in my opinion, it seems that my definition, too, was not entirely bad with reference to reality ... repeat

        PS In the article "why the Anglo-Saxons do not like us", I sorted something about this, in my opinion ...
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          123 (123) 8 December 2019 23: 33
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          Thanks, I'll see later.
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        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 December 2019 09: 04
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        That’s clear. "Political .... and military" is a stretch.
        "Economic, cultural" - no fig.

        The conclusion is not a superpower.
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 17: 48
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          ... then the superpower is Haiti. For musical and sports factors. And Kenya is also over ..., however, on long-distance running exclusively ... So what? Well, you really don’t have to carry nonsense.
          I rarely agree with you, but I respect opinions, since they are often reasonable and justified in some ways, although they don’t agree with mine. But do you seriously want to say that Russia is not a superpower? And especially "culturally"? And who then, if not Russia with its culture?
          Yes, and no matter how scolded or dissatisfied, for example, with science or the economy, it’s still impossible to be a leader in the military sphere ... But the Russian Federation is a clear leader. What, iPhone or something an indicator of the height of technological development? But is Batman a world cultural masterpiece? Bullshit... no
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            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 December 2019 09: 26
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            The difficulty is that you need to be a leader in all 4 areas, and not just in 1-2 + nuclear yields (By definition)
            Otherwise, yes, and I want to pull:
            in Italy they sing well, in Japan they draw anime, And in India, yoga, temples + nuclear weapons .. And? Also a superpower?
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              Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 13: 35
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              ... I nevertheless, modestly bowing my head, repeat I believe that my wording about what a superpower is so far the most adequate of all that has been seen and heard so far. In the sense of the criterion, the capabilities of this power alone to influence global political events, as well as oppose themselves to other superpowers.
              Otherwise, for some specific factors, a superpower can be anything - Scotland, for example, by playing bagpipes or by love of burdock ...
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                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 December 2019 22: 28
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                May be. But the definition from the Internet about the mandatory 4 components - IMHO, right ..
                If 1-2 components - only the definition of "great" or the like.
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                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 23: 38
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                  Sorry, I have not read it anywhere. This does not reproach you. I just don’t know who formulated these 4 principles ... On the Internet, in general, there are a lot of things, including any dregs, including on Wikipedia ..
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                    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 December 2019 09: 15
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                    Who formulated - did not search.
                    But the examples given there, IMHO, confirm.
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                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 11 December 2019 12: 16
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                      If the Russian Federation is not there, and does not fit this wording, then the criteria are incorrect wink And considering who in the world has recently “formed criteria”, one does not have to wonder who they are suitable for ... wink What democracy should be, they also have their own criteria, and the "only right". And on doping. And in terms of humanism and justice, one term of “humanitarian bombardment” is worth it. laughing And on the family, and inter-sexual relations, also criteria that do not suit us ...
                      Maybe "something needs to be fixed in the conservatory" for a long time? And in the criteria?
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 December 2019 08: 55
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                        Judging by the cases, the elite really likes the conservatory !!!
                        600% of the profit came even from Rogozin (his salary is higher than the salary of an astronaut risking his life) - according to Lenin, for which they want to do anything.

                        Well, common people can poke noodles in their ears .... about dopig poping, rainbow-fuduzhny, hypersonic-space ...
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 12 December 2019 11: 12
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                        There’s nothing to argue request Unfortunately. Despite the fact that I always compare what I have with what it was about 20-25 years ago (but it was still much worse), it’s very difficult to understand what some do quite well again specific citizens. Sometimes even directly and precisely those because of which just 20 years ago everything slipped into the ass ...
                        I asked this question to many here, but usually to those who communicate exclusively with slogans, it was purely rhetorical, because no answer was expected ... You will be asked because I really want to hear a reasonable answer - what to do? Are there any candidates for the kingdom? Or a system change? Or what? ... What is your opinion? ... That which is bad and wrong, I read from you many times, good, agree in many respects, but what is the solution to this problem? ...
                        Because from my point of view, criticism, without an alternative proposal, is meaningless ...
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 December 2019 14: 09
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                        Alas, all the "candidates for the kingdom" - bang - and in a plane crash, that ...
                        when they were. And now there is not and will not be - 600% of the profits will all be justified, that the Boeing, that the snipers on the roofs ...

                        Do? So far, the path explained by Puchkov / Goblin looks the most sensible - to re-create a working Marxist movement .... There will be a movement, there will be leaders ...
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 12 December 2019 15: 02
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                        ... a working Marxist movement .... There will be a movement, there will be leaders ...

                        - the historical parallel is understandable, but if you continue it, then nothing good is drawn, from the word in general.
                        In today's situation, creating something similar, and together with leaders, it will be very easy: dissatisfied dime a dozen, as then, in the vast majority they will all be from the same sections of the population and with about the same intellectual level as then, therefore a small group truly smart and capable citizens without problems, these masses will subjugate themselves, as then, and just as then, there will quickly and joyfully be foreign sponsors ready to support all this with force and finances - powerful enemies of Russia now, as and then enough Of course, their goals of weakening / ruining / subjugating our country to themselves in any way have also not disappeared.
                        And here it is worth recalling everything that came from all this later (then) - civil war, intervention, chaos, the complete degradation of the economy, the collapse of the country and the loss of vast territories. But it was the Russian Empire, whose territory was larger than even the USSR. And what remained after the collapse of the country was still more than the modern RF, with a large population and resource base. Now where already to fall apart? And then, the newly formed USSR had the strength and ability, albeit at the cost of blood and huge losses, to raise the state "from the ashes" left after the revolutionary events, and even, over time, partially return lost territories. If we again implement the same revolutionary model in today's Russian Federation, in its current size, composition and economic condition, what will remain of it after all? Something, of course, will remain, but this something will never be able to return even to the shadow of the former greatness of the Russian state. Yes, and no one will give - not for this sponsorship. This "shadow" of former greatness we still have now. God forbid, over time, it will develop into something already more material ... And if you now arrange a new "proletarian revolution", then there will remain helpless acne on the map, as from the former Yugoslavia - the dream of our sworn "partners" ...
                        ... so no, I definitely don’t see this path as a perspective ...
                        But anyway, thanks for the specific answer.
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 December 2019 16: 25
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                        A revolution usually comes when it ripens, whether we want it or not ....
                        And then either at least somehow prepare for it, organize, and somehow influence, or not, and others will decide for you - the same seven-bankers.

                        Organization and without any revolution is useful - get out, everyone organizes funds, parties, societies, groups, associations, Cossacks ...

                        And it should not be cruel at all, there were revolutions from above, and almost peaceful .... (but who peacefully parted with 600% of the profit?)
                        Yes, and even without it - to have a real popular, working, patriotic party - means to have at least some influence on the authorities. What happened in Italy, in France, in all sorts of Argentines, etc.

                        Another thing - for 600% of the profit - all-all real opponents - whether the army men, Marxists, patriots or economists - will be removed in advance and unnoticed ...

                        How many presidential candidates generally crashed in a plane crash in Russia ??
                        I don’t remember anything other than 2 popular ones ...
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 12 December 2019 21: 23
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                        A revolution usually comes when it ripens, whether we want it or not ....

                        - I’m not saying that I know the history of all revolutions well, but of those that I know, they themselves were not exactly committed. There has always been a good organization, provided from the outside. And always there were external players in this goal, except for the internal situation. And there came property and property with which someone does not want to part, and someone else wants to redistribute it, has always been. The main thing is that ultimately only internal players, always external ones, were involved in the redistribution, and it’s cool. And I’m just saying that in this situation, the Russian Federation can’t afford this anymore ...
                        But to create a party - why not? Maybe something will grow out of it ... but an ideological base is needed, something like a renewed Marxism, perhaps ... hi
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 December 2019 09: 24
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                        Yes true?

                        ... by themselves, they certainly did not happen.

                        French and English - crazy spending of kings and nobles, mass repressions of commoners ..
                        Japanese - the emperor was able to launch industrialization.
                        The revolution of the fifth year is a mess in control.
                        The February one — so the bourgeois — and the elite’s favorites — did their best.
                        Moreover, the Angles, on the contrary, were running to the tsar - they say that what you are doing is that the revolution is ripening near you, take action, the war is ... but the top has snubbed up to dullness ...

                        So what is there

                        good organization provided from the outside.

                        ??? - This is the slogan of today's zombie box, liars-rulers.
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 13 December 2019 10: 56
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                        In 1905, the revolution did not work - there was just no serious external support. It was already in February 1917, but the goals of the external forces were not achieved - Russia did not leave the war, and that is why October happened.
                        I won’t lie about the Japanese revolution - I don’t really know anything, but the emperor there, if I’m not mistaken, is still preserved, so it’s impossible to call it complete, like in Russia. In Britain the same thing. And in general, the situations of almost the Middle Ages cannot be applied to the present - it was not about that revolution there, not the goals, the forces, the capabilities of the states. Although there, external interests were always present ... the same French climbed to Britain, the British to France and Russia ... and at least remember the same Dumas - this, of course, is fiction, but intra-European interstate intrigues are written off from reality there.
                        Historical parallels can be directly applied in the horizon +/- 100 years, no more. And in this period everything was precisely with external participation and in no other way.
                        And then, you initially spoke specifically about the "Marxist movement", that is, the party and the revolution of this type, so why compare all this with the times of Napoleon or the British internal showdown? Let's get closer to reality. We are talking about Russia and Marxism. And not about the war of the "red and white roses" ...
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 14 December 2019 12: 03
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                        ... serious external support

                        - all talk about her, current traitors and liars make films, but there are no documents either, not now.
                        Although it seems - which is simpler - present a bunch of checks of revolutionaries from British and Japanese banks ... What a howl will rise ...
                        And? emptiness.
                        Only the memoirs of the escaped whites, who heard that someone had said something to someone ...

                        Goblin / Puchkov has a whole series of programs about these losers ducks ...
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                        chobasa (Choi Bal San) 14 December 2019 12: 38
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                        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
                        Only memoirs of runaway whites

                        There were no whites during the war. This is a later notion of the Bolsheviks.
                        The Red Army fought with the Russian Volunteer Army (with the Russians).
                        And she won the Russians. And squeezed Russian abroad. And the Bolsheviks slaughtered the remaining Russians in the country almost without exception. After that, appointing the Russians “white”, in order to replace concepts, the Bolsheviks recorded all Great Russians as Russians. Thus making this very substitution of concepts. Because Russian (real), is a native of Great Russians. And "Soviet Russian" is simply a differently named Great Russian. And one more thing. Russian (real) first declared their existence in 1918 (creating the Russian Volunteer Army).
                        "Soviet Russians" is an invention of the 20s.
                        There are not and cannot be any thousands of years of existing Russians. Do not confuse Russians with Russians. The capital of the Rusichs (later of the Little Russians) was ALWAYS in Kiev.
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                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 14 December 2019 22: 05
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                        Great Ukraine.
  • Europe gay parades in Russia is very concerned, poor thing ....
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    oracul (leonid) 9 December 2019 08: 28
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    It is important to understand that in the West, a superpower is understood to be the United States, which has covered the world with a web of financial control through the dollar, military bases, the Internet, space surveillance and mobile communications. They are capable of defeating most countries individually, but if the world unites against them, the United States will inevitably lose.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 17: 56
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      ... perhaps this is not required. Unlike the same Russia or China, or even Europe, which, as it were, puts itself in a position of "over ...", the US has never experienced real disasters in its history, and therefore has no experience of survival and recovery from events such as war (on its territory), change of regimes, the collapse of statehood, the collapse and loss of territories, occupation, etc.
      And if something happened, something I can not believe that they will stand in their original form. There is no tempering, no will, no experience. And exchanges, dollars and high technology in this are unlikely to help them, rather, quite the opposite ...
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    Jar.serge (Reznik) 9 December 2019 10: 20
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    A bunch of rotten potatoes, called the EU, completely dependent on every sneeze in the US - a "superpower"? !!
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    Dzafdet (Sergei) 9 December 2019 15: 18
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    Raise your right hand up. Yes, higher, even higher! And now sharply down with the words: yes figs with her, with this superpower!
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    Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 18: 03
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    Western expert: Russia is no superpower

    By itself.
    For 80 years now, there is only one superpower - the United States.
    And the rest on this subject, just ridiculous inventions.
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    zenitovets (Ivan) 9 December 2019 18: 41
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    So why are you so afraid of us? A?
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    Upmost (Innocent) 9 December 2019 19: 22
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    Regional Yes. But not a superpower

    GOLD WORDS.

    But when Obama said this in 2014, he was offended by him in the Russian Federation.
    But the man did tell the truth ...
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      123 (123) 9 December 2019 20: 29
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      But when Obama said this in 2014, he was offended by him in the Russian Federation.
      But the man did tell the truth ...

      This is the same senior citizen who tore our economy like a tusik heating pad, wassat and then isolated the whole country around the perimeter? fellow
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 December 2019 22: 42
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        Yes, yes ... And for his activity he received the Nobel Peace Prize - I do not write with capital letters intentionally, not because I am illiterate, but because this is the price to the Western "expert opinion" - the Nobel Committee, which is much more expert ??? And they have the "stars" Obama and Greta Tunberg ... well, what other questions may be about all this?
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          123 (123) 10 December 2019 06: 04
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          And they have the "stars" Obama and Greta Tunberg ...

          They forgot to add Mikhail Sergeyevich. laughing
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            A.Lex (Secret information) 10 December 2019 10: 11
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            Yeah ... grunt ... spit ... start ... Thinking ...
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              Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 13: 38
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              N-yes ... But this was not the worst, unfortunately ... When, as part of the fight against alcoholism, the vineyards throughout the Union began to be destroyed, we could already figure out how all these innovations would end in such a way ...
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    av58 (Andrei) 9 December 2019 22: 16
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    Russia does not call itself a "superpower", and is not soared about this.
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    MATRICA (Alex) 9 December 2019 22: 44
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    When we can deal with WADO, we will restore order along all our borders and stop tearing off our people ... Then we can be called a superpower ...
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    Upmost (Innocent) 10 December 2019 00: 47
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    Quote: 123
    the same pensioner

    This "senior citizen" said so because for NORMAL a large country (not to mention a superpower) caliber economy RUSSIAN would be and always will be SHAME. Therefore, the president of a large country said so about the deteriorating situation of the already not brilliant economy of another (type-cool) country.

    And for the modern Russian Federation, such an economy - quite an economy. PIPES.
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      123 (123) 10 December 2019 06: 17
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      This "pensioner" said so because for a NORMAL large country (not to mention a superpower), the economy of the caliber RUSSIAN would and would always be a SHAME. Therefore, the president of a large country said so about the deteriorating situation of the already not brilliant economy of another (type-cool) country.
      And for the modern Russian Federation, such an economy is quite an economy. PIPES.

      Firstly, he is a pensioner, because balabol, said the tear - tear, and so vyakann from retirement and retirement. Secondly, Russia got a brilliant economy? Or do you think that it just took and built the economy in a quick way? You must have become a billionaire during this time? And about the pipe it is envy laughing not everyone succeeds. States are trying to become a gas station, but still nothing.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 13: 42
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      ... yeah ... Well then, what about the universally recognized superpower of the USA, which no one doubts about its superpower, is it that we, the fools, are fighting for these very pipes? And dreams of struggling to become a European gas station with its LNG and oil? Do you have enough money from iPhones? Do the Chinese turn up prices on the pride of American industry? laughing
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    Upmost (Innocent) 10 December 2019 00: 49
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    When we can deal with WADO ... we will restore order along all our borders and stop tearing off our people ... Then

    If it does, then according to Gorbachev - what then never.
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      123 (123) 10 December 2019 06: 18
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      If it does, then in Gorbachev’s way — that never will be.

      Never say never. smile
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    Upmost (Innocent) 10 December 2019 01: 14
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    Just a huge amount of comments already gathered under this article. Actual topic, however ...
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 13: 47
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      Each nation has its own relevant topics. For superpowers - about superpowers. For the Dutch, for example, it would not occur to them to discuss their own superpower, rather tulips or flooding of territories ... In Kenya, apparently, they are discussing marathon running and reserves, and in Saudi Arabia, mainly oil. And the Russians - their own superpower and world greatness. smile I assure you that for the Chinese and US citizens, this topic in discussions is just as relevant. To each his own. wink
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        chobasa (Choi Bal San) 14 December 2019 12: 23
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        And the Russians - their own superpower and world greatness.

        Not Russian, but the so-called "Soviet Russians." Besides, to whom it is interesting, what are the obvious inadequacies between themselves? There are few of them, and every year it becomes less and less. Soon their funny graters will end completely.

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        I assure you that for the Chinese and US citizens, this topic in discussions is just as relevant.

        The Chinese and Americans, with rare exceptions, are not interested in foreign countries. And they’re doing it right, abroad, it is SECONDARY. The main thing is the internal affairs of any community.
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 15: 03
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          They are interested in their own "superpower", I know for sure, from many personal contacts and other information. The Chinese overseas are even very interested in, as well as the position of China in the world. And Americans in general for the most part have little interest, except for their work, family, salary, mortgages and superball (who is watching). They were raised like that to think less.
          And what makes you so hurt in all this, judging by NIK that the Horde collapsed?
          I am Soviet Russian, I am proud of it. I was born and raised in a great country, received an excellent education in it. And after the collapse of this country, I felt ashamed for my homeland, what it has become in a couple of years. Now the trend is clearly the opposite, and my Homeland is again returning to the position of a global superpower. And I'm proud of it, for me it is important, I like it. Are you not? - Envy quietly.
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    Upmost (Innocent) 10 December 2019 15: 41
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    States are trying to become a gas station, but still

    I hope you get paid in abundance - such selective nonsense to post - not everyone can do it.

    Well, if you believe it, I can only sympathize.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 December 2019 23: 44
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      And you? Not enough, you see ... if you write three or four comments under yourself? Do you have for every dachshund?
      And then you are poorly informed on this topic, as well as on all the rest laughing - Under their real names, people do not work with paid bots. For the money, I would imagine something mysteriously sublime invented, like Lowermostas one of the options ... tongue
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    Upmost (Innocent) 10 December 2019 15: 45
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    Russia got a brilliant economy? Or you think that it just took and built the economy in a quick way.

    This year already NINETEEN years struck how the Wise came.

    And is it quick?
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    Vasil K. (Vasil K.) 27 December 2019 22: 22
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    This superpower in the last war distinguished itself only in Nuremberg, leaning against the winners, which puzzled the Nazis convicted.