The Germans will build for Russia the largest icebreaker in the history of Europe

December 7 2019 37

The construction of the largest icebreaker in the history of Europe starts at the oldest shipyard in Germany. The project is being implemented by order of Russia, and the total cost of the work is estimated at 7,5 billion rubles, which will be allocated from the budget of the Russian Federation. The ship is planned to be commissioned by Rosmorport in 2024. The giant icebreaker is designed to year-round support the work of freezing Far Eastern ports.

It is noteworthy that the implementation of the domestic project takes place at the German shipyard Sietas, founded 383 years ago. The latter was the "pride of Germany" until it was on the brink of ruin in 2014.

The Russian company Pella came to the rescue, which in the same year bought a shipyard, but immediately got to the sanctions list, limiting the ability to fulfill Russian orders. However, the new leaders were still able to revive the enterprise and load it with orders even in the face of fierce competition with European companies. And over time, the opportunity to work with Russia reopened.

Thus, formally, the construction order was received not by the Germans, but by the Leningrad shipyard, which won the tender and owns the Pella Sietas shipyard, which got a second chance. But why is the construction of an icebreaker not in Russia, where it would be possible to provide domestic specialists with work? There are three reasons for this.

Firstly, the Leningrad Shipyard Pella is currently busy with work.

Secondly, the construction of an “ice monster” will require some foreign Technologythat are not available to us right now.

And, finally, thirdly, Pella now simply does not have the opportunity to build ships longer than 70 meters. However, this problem can be solved in 2 years. In 2021, the second stage of the enterprise will be built, allowing the creation of high-tech vessels up to 90 meters in length.

As a result, this event is in every sense beneficial for our country, but the Germans did not remain offended.

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AICO

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7 December 2019 16: 18

And the very thing - "there was not enough room for maneuver" or "effective managers" interfere, so what's the matter - machine guns have been gathering dust in warehouses since the war !!!
steelmaker

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7 December 2019 16: 43

The sanctions were not lifted, the diplomats were kicked out, then the red tape would begin with the Mistrals. The main thing is that only Russia concedes and understands, and Germany only shits! This is our payment for Germany so that families and children in Europe will not be touched!
1. Oyo Sarkazmi
  
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  7 December 2019 16: 57
  
  Don't worry, touch it. If Uncle Sam pointed his finger at someone - "Putin's friend" - that person's money immediately becomes Uncle Sam's money.
  Trump is seriously engaged in the education of patriotism in our officials and their children. It’s so serious that the kids howled — we’ll give the Crimea to Ryazan itself, and the Kuril Islands to Novosibirsk itself. Just don’t take a cookie with a hamon !!!
Ky Ky

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7 December 2019 16: 55

Can you ship dimensions ?? And then the wording scares me - the largest in history in Europe and the size of the shipyard is 70 or 90 meters. In the USSR, the standard was an icebreaker of the "Arctic" type from 142 to 150 meters in length. And here there are some incomprehensibility, what kind of unprecedented animal will appear. If it is about 70 meters, then this is a port icebreaker tug. Well, or walk along the rivers. Its limit is 1,5 meters of ice thickness.
1. Arkharov
  
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  7 December 2019 17: 58
  
  Oh, how the authors of the article get out. All right by Orwell. And by the way, I was also very surprised about the size. And why the largest in Europe? One thing pleases, it means more than the 1898-meter Ermak built in Newcastle in 98 in Newcastle. And you say port, port! The giant, probably ...
Oyo Sarkazmi

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7 December 2019 17: 00

Great in the history of Europe. Diesel, port.
aries2200

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7 December 2019 17: 09

And then as they build, it will be like with the Mistrals.
1. Pishenkov
  
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  8 December 2019 21: 59
  
  ... you think they will sell it to Egypt too ???
  1. aries2200
    
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    10 December 2019 00: 21
    
    Any country with an interest in the region beyond the Arctic Circle .. and Egypt, perhaps.
Vkd dvk

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7 December 2019 17: 49

Quote: steel maker
The sanctions were not lifted, the diplomats were kicked out, then the red tape would begin with the Mistrals. The main thing is that only Russia concedes and understands, and Germany only shits! This is our payment for Germany so that families and children in Europe will not be touched!

And here is the Mistral and the example of France? The Russian company has production in Germany. And Russia is building. And not the burghers.
1. Ahmed Markhud
  
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  7 December 2019 18: 06
  
  Do not be mistaken if even in Germany there is an enterprise owned by the Russian side, the Germans are building it with the money of Russia, and not the Russians. The only plus is that during construction they use technologies that are not yet available to Russia.
2. Bitter
  
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  7 December 2019 20: 50
  
  It’s building something, maybe Russia, but according to German technology.
  The burghers will get their money in their pocket on time and at the same time they will control everything.
Vkd dvk

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7 December 2019 18: 18

Quote: Ahmed Markhud
Do not be mistaken if even in Germany there is an enterprise owned by the Russian side, the Germans are building it with the money of Russia, and not the Russians. The only plus is that during construction they use technologies that are not yet available to Russia.

We do Nissan at home, in Russia. According to foreign drawings, from foreign parts, but with Russian hands. But whose car is considered to be? We are building rocket engines for the Americans at a joint Russian-American firm, a front, specially created to circumvent the American ban on the import of rocket technology. On the Russian territory, by our specialists, according to our drawings and from our materials. Whose engines are considered? Right. Legally - not Russian.
If in Germany, according to Russian drawings, at a Russian enterprise, on a Russian order, they make the very best (not understandable - ATOMIC?) With Russian money, then whose ship will it be? Of course, Koreans work in our Russian Nissan. But is the Korean car off the assembly line? Understand slowly.
beeper

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7 December 2019 20: 47

It seems to me that everything that is being built in Europe (beyond the Russian borders - not within the jurisdiction of Russia!), Even for Russian money, under the conditions of the American-European anti-Russian sanctions, will surely suffer the "venal" fate of the notorious "Russian" Mistrals - IS THIS ALREADY NOT TESTED IN PRACTICE (isn't practice a criterion of truth ?!) ?!
The American "partners" will be only too happy to receive such a Russian gift - "the largest icebreaker in the history of Europe"!
It will turn out to be very useful to them - in the light of the belligerent claims of the USA to the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route with the lack of its own icebreakers!
Wonderful are your deeds, Russian "effective managers", ready, over and over again, to "burn" and "burn" on the same thing, and not repent, even if you have a "stake on your head"!
Vkd dvk

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7 December 2019 23: 16

Quote: Bitter
It’s building something, maybe Russia, but according to German technology.
The burghers will get their money in their pocket on time and at the same time they will control everything.

Build your own way. Weak? Then rejoice. What, the ship will have something that meets the standards. Be aware that a ship not complying with the requirements of the Maritime Register will never receive permission to call at any foreign port. No insurance, etc. ..... The exception is for warriors only. They generally do not live long.
1. Bitter
  
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  8 December 2019 22: 09
  
  Build your own way. Weak?
  
  What I myself need, I build my own way.
  If I don’t know what, I’m going to read books, read norms and requirements, ask knowledgeable people, consult.
  If I realize that I can’t, then I pay for a product or service and everything in a bundle.
  Between made and bought, there are obviously differences.
  
  ... the steamer will have something that meets the standards ....
  NOT COMPLIANCE with the requirements of the Maritime Register ...
  No insurance, and more ....
  
  Are the standards secret, or is it weak to read and translate these requirements?
  It would be easier to say that there was no time for ourselves, but it turns out that the files are of the wrong caliber.
  
  An exception is only for warriors. They generally do not live long.
  
  Why? Drowning fast?
  I am sure that there are standards for warriors as well and they are tougher than for all these ships and ships, ships are not galleys for you.
Vkd dvk

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7 December 2019 23: 21

Quote: pishchak
It seems to me that everything that is built in Europe (beyond the Russian borders - not within the jurisdiction of Russia!), Even for Russian money, under the conditions of the American-European anti-Russian sanctions, will surely suffer the "corrupt" fate of the notorious "Russian" Mistrals - IS THIS ALREADY NOT TESTED IN PRACTICE (isn't practice a criterion of truth ?!) ?!
The American "partners" will be only too happy to receive such a Russian gift - "the largest icebreaker in the history of Europe"!
It will turn out to be very useful to them - in the light of the belligerent claims of the USA to the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route with the lack of its own icebreakers!
Wonderful are your deeds, Russian "effective managers" who are ready to "burn" and "burn" over and over again on the same thing, and not repent, even if you have a "stake on your head"!

We are building. At a Russian company. For Russian money. On German equipment and with their hands and heads. We do not buy a ship like Mistral. This is OUR from the first second, bookmarking the commemorative plaque. And no one can not give us ours.
1. Pishenkov
  
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  8 December 2019 22: 07
  
  ... forced to correct - all this is not so. The shipyard is German, the company (legal entity) is German, and belongs to Russian shareholders. But at the same time it is in the jurisdiction of Germany and works according to German laws. Whose ship - does not depend on where and whose shipyard, and what and how is written in the contract on the transfer of ownership.
  What is being built there is not surprising if it is simply more profitable for the owners (the Russians who won the tender). It is only a pity that the Germans will receive a salary for this, but ... well, what if they destroyed their capacities ... but there were ...
  And this icebreaker is really the largest, apparently, in the history of construction in Europe, from what they built. And they just never needed big icebreakers.
bonifacius

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8 December 2019 00: 05

Oh, how Ukrainians nezalezhnoy rejoice! Icebreaker, this is not a trifle in your pockets!
123

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8 December 2019 04: 00

Icebreaker "Ob", a mysterious technology "so far inaccessible" to us, can be propeller-steering columns (installed by the Swedish Azipod of ABB Group), or an engine. We already produce our own speakers. Perhaps, just such a one, suitable for the project, is not yet available, but most likely, it is a diesel engine and cannot be bought because of the sanctions. If so, doubts arise that after the completion of the construction, problems will arise, as with turbines for the Crimea. In my opinion, there is no difference in the supply of diesel to Russia separately or installed on an icebreaker, still under sanctions.
1. Pishenkov
  
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  8 December 2019 22: 14
  
  With civil courts there are various options. And with the construction, and with the sale, and with the registration. It is nominally built by a German shipyard, and then they can (even if only at first) put it under the Russian flag altogether, but go to some spineless Panama or Liberia, with the flags of which half the world goes, FIG.
  1. 123
    
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    8 December 2019 23: 14
    
    It may even be, it’s just interesting, if various schemes are visible on the horizon by analogy with the Crimean turbines, why trumpet the construction of the whole world? Attention is attracted.
    1. Pishenkov
      
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      8 December 2019 23: 21
      
      Don't worry - there is someone to keep track of. They can calmly "trumpet". Maybe that's why there is such a complex symbiosis of property rights, buildings, etc. They did not blow any trumpets about the turbines in Crimea, on the contrary, they even tried to disguise them ... but still they tracked them down ...
      1. 123
        
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        8 December 2019 23: 22
        
        Yes, I'm not worried, trying to understand the logic of behavior.
2. Bitter
  
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  8 December 2019 22: 39
  
  I think that is easier.
  As a decent owner, St. Petersburg Pella is simply obliged to load power at its plants, otherwise problems may arise.
  But with icebreakers, not everything is so simple.
  Surely, it was not easy in Germany to break through the project for the construction of such a "steamer", from this side, respect to all the instigators of this venture, both from the German and Russian sides.
  1. 123
    
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    8 December 2019 23: 17
    
    As a decent owner, St. Petersburg Pella is simply obliged to load power at its plants, otherwise problems may arise.
    
    If this is only the case, let them download, no one is against it. Only desirable with seiners. It is not worth the Europeans to train icebreakers to build. I am afraid this case is precisely due to dependence on the supply of equipment that is subject to sanctions.
    1. Bitter
      
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      9 December 2019 00: 13
      
      It was lucky that this construction in Germany was generally given the green light.
      Firstly, the Russian builders of seiners, alas, are not yet able to build icebreakers.
      Secondly, for such a large project it will be possible to purchase new equipment, and the old one can be "written off" in a timely manner.
      Thirdly, to practice some engineers abroad and gain valuable experience in the execution of projects from "A" to "Z" at the Hamburg Shipyard.
      Well, there is a great hope for accuracy not only in construction, but also in terms of delivery.
      It seems that the icebreaker is needed "today", and the Russian "sawmill" requires first "promotion".
      1. 123
        
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        9 December 2019 06: 17
        
        It was lucky that this construction in Germany was generally given the green light.
        
        It is not clear what you mean, who are lucky and who gave the green light? Germans? They were lucky, icebreakers will learn to build.
        
        Firstly, the Russian builders of seiners, alas, are not yet able to build icebreakers.
        
        And what does the Russian builders of seiners have to do with it? Let the Germans build seiners, there is nothing to accustom them to icebreakers. Those whom you consider incapable have already built a similar one. There, look at my comment above, although it was edited and the video was deleted, but it's not difficult to find it yourself, type Icebreaker "Ob" in the search engine.
        
        It seems that the icebreaker is needed "today", and the Russian "sawmill" requires first "promotion".
        
        What does the sawmill have to do with it? We are talking about the impossibility of supplying equipment due to sanctions. We do not have an engine or propellers, or both.
Igor Gul

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8 December 2019 14: 38

... the implementation of the domestic project takes place at the German shipyard Sietas, founded in 383.

Too shy to ask, was the shipyard founded in 383 BC?
1. chemurij
  
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  8 December 2019 20: 00
  
  Quote: Igor Gul
  Too shy to ask, was the shipyard founded in 383 BC?
  
  If the date of the beginning of our era today, then yes, that's right.)))
2. Bitter
  
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  8 December 2019 22: 25
  
  was the shipyard founded in 383 BC?
  
  Probably, the Ukrainian dredger passed by and made a squiggle.
  Actually,
  
  Die älteste noch bestehende Werft Deutschlands wurde 1635 erstmals urkundlich erwähnt und ist vermutlich im selben Jahr von Carsten Sietasch gegründet worden. (C)
  
  The oldest shipyard in Germany was first documented in 1635 and was probably founded in the same year by Karsten Sietash.
Upmost

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8 December 2019 17: 33

How is it - a steep and self-sufficient RF all clings to Germany, as in the days after the Second World War, when the USSR from Germany received a lot of things in terms of technology and industry.
But what about their own steepness, an exaggerated show off, and universal swagger? ...
1. chemurij
  
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  8 December 2019 20: 06
  
  Quote: UpperMost
  How so
  
  Envy is a bad feeling, life shortens, sometimes very much, and especially for those who are bespontovy, so that they can only attach themselves to the trough. Okay, bye, I won’t interfere. And yes, don’t chomp loudly, I can’t rest when they make noise.
2. Pishenkov
  
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  8 December 2019 22: 17
  
  But what about their own steepness, an exaggerated show off, and universal swagger? ...
  
  - I didn’t understand something, but why did they even remember about the USA ???
Upmost

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8 December 2019 23: 29

Quote: chemyurij
... just to fit in the trough

Do not believe it, but I'm not a note troll.

I was simply fed up with the constant contrast between what kind of RF is steep (like) at the level of self-positioning, and how it is everywhere trying to buy, borrow, adopt. Those. to receive that which she herself does not / cannot.

A cool country should be able to make this (or a lot of it) by itself.

And here there is such an absurdity - huge, strong and rich Russia makes for himself the largest icebreaker (for Russia, icebreakers are like jam for Carlson) forces small and occupied (NATO forces :)) Germany.

In another case, he is trying to buy a sanction turbine in the USA (through a crank circuit).

In another case, she tried to replace the sanctioned German engines for the Karakurt with Chinese ones, but those quickly "died", being purely civilian.

Those. what all this says - steepness is determined not by the extent of the territory, but by the social structure, level of economy, science, technology.

And all this for oil-gas-dollars you can’t buy. It is necessary to create long and hard, i.e. CREATE.

That would have been understood in the Kremlin.
Shipbuilder

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9 December 2019 09: 32

What nonsense is written in the article .....:

There are three reasons for this.

Firstly, the Leningrad Shipyard Pella is currently busy with work.

That is, a state order funded from a national project for budget money (which, according to the country's leadership, should accelerate GDP growth) was given to the shipyard in advance with the knowledge that it would not be able to build.

Secondly, for the construction of an “ice monster” some foreign technologies that are not available to us will be required.

Which ones, for example? But nothing, that 3 such icebreakers were quite calmly built at the Vyborg plant in 2012-2016? And 3 more much more complex ships in the same place in 2015-2019? And that in St. Petersburg, the Admiralty shipyards are completing the construction of a much larger ship and have surrendered military icebreakers? What foreign technologies are available to the shipyard, which generally did not build such ships?

And, finally, thirdly, Pella now simply does not have the opportunity to build ships longer than 70 meters. However, this problem can be solved in 2 years. In 2021, the second stage of the enterprise will be built, allowing the creation of high-tech vessels up to 90 meters in length.

Well, that is, they gave the order to the shipyard, which technically cannot even build such a ship. The ingenious decision.

In summary, it is very interesting to watch the development of the project. Especially how it will be financed, because the amount on the ship is 20% less than its real value, since the "brilliant" managers from Rosmorport have included the price of the ship for 2020 in the construction program for 2024-2017.

Well, it’s interesting how it will meet the criteria of the requirements of Decree No. 719 on the recognition of Russian products, without which colleagues will have very big problems with his further work under the national flag.

And as friends from Germany will report on money, the contract will be in rubles. And most importantly, it is interesting to hear the reaction of the country's leadership on how budget money is spent on supporting countries that have imposed sanctions against Russia instead of developing and supporting their own shipyards.
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9 December 2019 19: 06

Quote: Shipbuilder
And most importantly, it is interesting to hear the reaction of the country's leadership on how budget money is spent on supporting countries that have imposed sanctions against Russia instead of developing and supporting their own shipyards

Also news to me.
And how at one time (in the 2000s) began work on the design of a landing ship (helicopter carrier).
Well, they did work for themselves, and nand at a certain stage decidedthat all this is nonsense, and it is better to order such ships from France.
Ordered, and the French began their work, and in Russia - part of their work on a joint project.

And after a while there was "Crimea-Nash", and as a result the helicopter carriers "sailed past Russia."

An interesting phrase in that period (2015), Putin said:

We then decided to order helicopter carriers, to load shipyards in France.

Those. not Russia, namely France.

So this very leadership itself decides this way, and not corrupt liberals drive it by the nose.