"Norman Summit": no one is going to negotiate with Russia


Special hopes for a meeting in the "Norman format", scheduled for next Monday, December 9, as a matter of fact, no one had originally laid. The euphoria that appeared to some people after the change of the “first person” in Ukraine was dispelled quickly enough, since this is the “first” with its every statement and practical step related to the situation in the Donbass and Ukrainian-Russian relations, “is losing face” More. Only one story with the "Steinmeier formula" was supposed to cool the ardor of the most recorded optimists.


And after the “toilet hysteria” of Kiev, arranged in response to a gesture of goodwill in Moscow in the form of transferring violating vessels to it, the last doubts disappeared. Moreover, the whole chain of events of recent days gives every reason to believe that the summit in Paris will most likely not be a move towards resolving the situation in the East “unbroken” and smoothing out “sharp corners” in relations between our country and the West, but, on the contrary, the beginning a new round of conflict and another violent Russophobic campaign.

Kiev driven "to attack"


If we summarize all the recent statements on topics related to the subject of the future meeting made both by the president and other high-ranking officials of Ukraine, a logical question arises: what should Zelensky do in Paris? Well, except to see the sights ... In principle, the words of the same Foreign Minister of Ukraine Vadim Pristayko would have been more than enough. The chief diplomat of the "unbroken" said that Kiev will not "adopt a new law on the Donbass," that is, to make, as provided, the corresponding amendments to the Constitution of the country. And also - to negotiate with representatives of the Republics. In general, any elections there are possible only "after Ukraine gained control of the border." This statement alone completely resets all formats - both “Minsk” and “Norman”. It, in fact, brings their participants back to the beginning of the game, from which everyone is already extremely tired. We add the words of Zelensky himself about the “uselessness” for the authorities of Donbass residents who are not “good Ukrainians” and other similar attacks, like the accusations of “terrorism” of our country that were voiced the other day at the NATO summit in London ... Do not forget about becoming more and more aggressive actions of the Armed Forces on the demarcation line ... And as a result we get a fairly complete picture of the positions from which Ukraine intends to act in the capital of France. However, Kiev, which has long lost the status of an independent foreign player, in this case does not solve anything.

The reasons for such reckless, impudent and absolutely unconstructive behavior should be sought, of course, in those instructions and “instructions” that come from Washington. Moreover, the United States does not even think of hiding its interference in the "Norman process", to which they de jure, have nothing to do. Thus, the Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia, Ambassador Philip Ricker, speaking at the OSCE Ministerial meeting in Bratislava, clearly and unequivocally stated that “political aspect of the “agreements in the Donbass (both Minsk and any other)” should be implemented only after the security conditions allow it. ” This is nothing but the open support of the “Wishlist” of Kiev regarding the immediate transfer of the border to it. In addition, Ricoeur blamed “the actions of one single country - Russia” for the conflict in the Donbass. Alas, the overseas guest came along immediately: the EU High Representative for Foreign and Security Policy, Josep Borel, hastened to reproach our country with "violation of international law and principles", as well as "annexation of Crimea and" destabilization of Eastern Ukraine ". The most, perhaps, openly behaved US Chargé d'Affaires in Ukraine, William Taylor. Obviously, as a “watchman” in this country, he made a statement in which he demanded that Russia after the Paris summit immediately “withdraw its troops and return the occupied part of Donbass to Ukraine”. He also emphasized that Washington will “support Ukraine and President Zelensky when he goes to these negotiations ...” Comments here, in my opinion, are completely superfluous.

Drive a wedge between Russia and Europe


Most likely, the United States taking an absolutely irreconcilable position and pushing Ukraine toward confrontation instead of reconciliation is largely due to Washington's problems in relations with its European allies, which were especially pronounced at the recent summit of the North Atlantic Alliance in London. The prospect of pacification of Kiev, especially, achieved with the active participation of France and Germany, is clearly not "smiling" at the White House and the State Department. Donald Trump in no way intends to forgive Macron "anti-NATO rebellion", and Merkel - "Nord Stream-2." “The two laurels of peacekeepers have dreamed about you ?!” Shish, and even without oil! ” - in my opinion, the American president thinks in approximately this vein. In any case, the fact that just before the talks in Europe scheduled for the beginning of next week, “suddenly” promptly began to “unwind” at once two “spy” scandals, which had a purely anti-Russian background, could not be a coincidence. And where?! Yes, just in Germany and in France. Coincidence? Have mercy! Such coincidences simply do not exist in nature. The assassination of the terrorist Zelimkhan Khangoshvili in Berlin was committed at the end of August, and so far his investigation has been proceeding in a completely civilized manner, without any policy. And "suddenly" - on you! The materials of the case are taken to the German Prosecutor General’s Office and its head immediately begins to broadcast about the “apparent Russian or Chechen trail” in this crime. Further more. The overwhelming Berlin declares two Russian diplomats persona non grata at once. What's next?

Incidentally, I wrote about the fact that Khangoshvili would be trying to “blind” the second Skripal, as well as that everything that happened looked like a special operation directed against Russia, exactly on the second day after the murder. Alas, I was not mistaken. The fact that the shot was put on the international wanted list by Georgia, where he also "marked" in full, now no one remembers. By the way, what is interesting, in the "promotion" of the delusional version of the "hand of Moscow", Deutsche Welle is especially zealous, already "awarded" official accusations of open interference in the internal affairs of our country. However, God bless him, with Berlin. There is at least a real corpse there ... With the “base of the Russian GRU’s fighters,” “suddenly” found in the heart of the French Alps, everything looks much worse. All this would be funny when it were not so vile. Well, you can’t work so clumsy! The “stuffing” from Le Monde was written clearly “on the knee”. And the source of inspiration for this “masterpiece”, such an impression, was the shabby volume of the “Aquarium” by Jude Rezun- “Suvorov”, which was fished out from the far corner of the bookshelf. I remember that there was something there about “the terrible Soviet spies from the GRU”, who were operating precisely in the Alps. Ashamed, monsieur, ashamed ... It smells of natural plagiarism. I undertake to assert this because the article in the French edition contains a phrase that completely crosses out all the nonsense contained in it about the "secret base of Russian spies." Not a single evidence, not a single one, not even the most stupid witness to the “Western intelligence services” could be obtained. A bear in a cap with earflaps with a red star, sitting in anticipation of a liaison from Moscow, broke its chain and disappeared in an unknown direction, dropping balalaikas with ciphers written on them along the alpine abysses. Shame ....

Washington is starting and ...?


Jokes are jokes, but neither the leaders of Russia, Germany and France, who are likely to gather in a few days in Paris, will definitely add any good mood or soulfulness in communication. The sediment, as they say, will remain in any case, and considerable. And then Zelensky with an invisible but very strong leash stretching towards his neck from across the ocean. You think the statement made the day before by US Deputy Secretary of Defense John Rood that "the White House in the draft budget for next year proposes to allocate at least $ 250 million to help Ukraine in the field of security and defense, including the provision of lethal weapons to it" Is this a coincidence again? It doesn't seem so to me either. Typically, such information is published on the eve of the official presentation of the financial plan. As a rule, in February-March. Why such a rush? In fact, there are few options. In this way they “cheer up” before the upcoming meeting in Paris so that its president, God forbid, would not heed the voice of reason during her. However, the matter is not only in Ukraine. The same John Rood, speaking the other day at a hearing on the US Senate Armed Forces Committee, made a statement stating that "the danger to the United States from Russia has increased significantly lately." This is already a message designed for purely domestic consumption. Alas, today there is nothing left but to admit: Washington’s new attack on our country is not just being prepared, it has already begun. Actions aimed at disrupting the “Norman” summit are only part of the “big game” in which the Americans are already making their first moves.

So, on December 5, the US Department of the Treasury announced the imposition of sanctions against the “Russian hacker group Evil Corp.” She is accused of "cyber attacks against American companies and government agencies." In fact, seven domestic companies and 17 individuals fell into the restrictive list. The most unpleasant thing is that the Ministry of Finance’s decision stubbornly raises the idea that “the group worked for the government and the FSB of Russia, which recruit cybercriminals for their evil purposes ...” So there can be no doubt - to be continued. However, what doubt can there be if, literally next week, the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations of the US Congress is determined to vote for the bill on new anti-Russian sanctions. For what?! As usual, “for the Kremlin’s interference in American elections and aggression against Ukraine.” In a word, for being Russian. The widest range of future restrictions is proposed - against banking institutions, against public debt ... And also, which is especially touching, "against Russian citizens and organizations engaged in illegal activities on direct or indirect instructions of Vladimir Putin." Well, with a great desire (and it certainly is!), Half of Russia can be brought under such a formulation. If not all. Most importantly, this time, gentlemen, the congressmen clearly aimed to strike at the very patient - the oil and gas industry. If the bill is passed, the punitive measures of the American Themis will fall on foreign equipment suppliers, of technologies and services for the Russian energy sector, as well as its lenders. Conceived seriously and on a large scale.

In light of all this, one should hardly expect any positive developments from the Paris summit. Most likely, Russia needs to get ready to solve the problems of the Donbass, and, above all, its own, without any regard to the "international community." In any case, as long as Washington is trying to get everyone in it.
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  1. steelmaker Online steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 December 2019 10: 52
    +2
    The article explains and explains everything in great detail. And if Putin goes to Paris, he will be forced to make concessions there. In the right way, you don't have to go. Because all the conditions for the separation of the parties in the Donbass have not been met and thwarted. But if he does, then he must put the question point-blank. Either you fulfill the Minsk agreements, or we join Donbass to Russia, like Crimea, on the basis of a referendum that was held in the republics! I'm wondering how "fans" will give their explanations to such a detailed article?
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 6 December 2019 20: 22
      0
      I will be responsible for "fans", "grunting" Nagybalku, first grow. winked

      But if you go, then you need to raise the question with an edge. Or follow the Minsk agreement, or we join the Donbass to Russia, as the Crimea

      Then you begin to whine first, oh, they imposed sanctions against us, oh, they don’t buy our gas, oh, where do our pensions go.
      If you still have at least a drop of sanity, and not just a desire to drown, answer the question, Donbass. In what limits are you going to join?
      1. andrew.strygin Offline andrew.strygin
        andrew.strygin (Andrey Strygin) 7 December 2019 21: 31
        0
        Within the boundaries of 2014, or at worst, until February 1920.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 7 December 2019 21: 49
          +1
          Within the boundaries of 2014 or, at worst, until February 1920.

          That's just it. Are you going to liberate the territory in the forefront? By the way, this will already be a real war, and not a "hybrid aggression of the damned Moscow horse-diving Mongol-Buryats" and it will remain in history, real and forever ... Do you think this is a normal development of events?
      2. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 7 December 2019 22: 14
        +1
        First - we wanted to sneeze on your sanctions! And first we will join the Donbass along the Dnieper. And then - along the western coast of the Western Bug and the Prut!
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 8 December 2019 01: 14
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          First - we wanted to sneeze on your sanctions! And first we will join the Donbass along the Dnieper. And then - along the western coast of the Western Bug and the Prut!

          As for the sanctions, I agree. And with the addition of optimism, I do not share, if there is, we will not get to the Bug soon. Or tell us in more detail how it will look?
    2. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 12 December 2019 02: 35
      -1
      And in our apartment there is gas ... and you will have it, if we agree.

      :-)
  2. yury semru Offline yury semru
    yury semru (yury semru) 6 December 2019 11: 55
    +2
    Something tells me that there will be no summit. There is nothing to talk about.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 13: 56
      +2
      Yura, it’s not long to wait - Monday is nearby. Then we'll talk. I will highlight this article as a specialist. I hope you are not afraid to answer me later?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 8 December 2019 23: 24
        0
        Are there any bookmarks? belay It is necessary to look at the functionality of the site at your leisure. laughing
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 9 December 2019 13: 38
          +1
          123, no, no - I made a bookmark in my Quick Dial ... or else you’ll think about it! laughing
  3. Port Offline Port
    Port 6 December 2019 13: 16
    +8
    You can’t even recall Ukraine, it is used as an instrument of aggression against Russia, we are talking about the security of the state border and Russia itself, which means that the conversation should be short - they don’t want to agree - it’s necessary to beat, as they did from 41 to 45.
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 6 December 2019 13: 51
      +6
      ... it was necessary to beat in 2014. Now there is no reason for the nominal. But, apparently, will soon draw again ... soldier
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 6 December 2019 14: 38
        +3
        Just a reason to be. If the MS die, then LDNR must return the territory of its regions in which the referendum was held. As if the will of the people is holy.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 6 December 2019 14: 40
          +2
          ... and I'm almost the same. Or the Russian Federation, as the guarantor of the implementation of "Minsk", will have to achieve this if someone starts to sabotage, or even unilaterally violate ... and this, excuse me, is a UN-approved document, the only one existing on this topic ...
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 13: 59
            0
            mmmm .... Alexei, how about the murder of citizens of the Russian Federation in the Donbass? .. (waking up this will begin)
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 December 2019 21: 30
              +1
              ... unfortunately, it is constantly going on there, but the Russian Federation is silent ... apparently, a massive one is necessary, unfortunately, to intervene ...
  4. Yuri Mikhailovsky (Yuri Mikhailovsky) 6 December 2019 14: 25
    +4
    And what were the people who believed in the desire of Berlin and Paris to stop the war in Ukraine?
    1. Tatyana Offline Tatyana
      Tatyana 6 December 2019 19: 59
      +7
      14 years ago - on March 11, 2006, the president of Yugoslavia Slobodan Milosevic died in a "democratic prison". His fate is a visual lesson to all those who are ready to take the word of the West, who are ready to make concessions.

      This event marked a complete victory over the once one of the most powerful countries in Europe. Yugoslavia - united all the Balkan peoples, possessed the largest army in Europe, and now only miserable fragments remain from it. Milosevic was the first victim of the “orange” technology, and his analysis of the mechanism of “taking power” has not lost its relevance. Milosevic's predictions are paid at the highest price.

      The last appeal of Slobodan Milosevic to the Slavs:
      “Russians! Now I am addressing all Russians, the inhabitants of Ukraine and Belarus in the Balkans are also considered Russians.

      Look at us and remember - they will do the same to you when you disconnect and give slack. West - a rabid chain dog clings to your throat.

      Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Don't let me do the same to you! "
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 14: 01
        0
        Unfortunately, Tatyana, your voice was lost in vain ... even with the collapse of the USSR ....
  5. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 6 December 2019 14: 34
    -1
    And I have the impression that this is Russia not going to negotiate with anyone. Putin will run into the letter of commitment and will not move. And if Zelensky insists on revising the Minsk agreements, he will not communicate with him on gas.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 14: 03
      +2
      And what, Boris, maybe you're right! Contracts exist to fulfill them, and not to redo them when you want and bring in whatever you like. Therefore, the GDP will insist on fulfilling the obligations of the former USSR. And what is green there - this is only his problem.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 7 December 2019 14: 34
        +1
        Indirect proof of this is Medvedev’s statement voiced today that he considers mandatory the mutual rejection of claims. Well, if Medvedev (!) Takes such a tough stance, then what about Putin!
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 14: 41
          0
          Okay, wait and see ... After all, words are just words ............
    2. andrew.strygin Offline andrew.strygin
      andrew.strygin (Andrey Strygin) 7 December 2019 21: 34
      0
      Zelensky, as a decent Jew, is not at all .. Yes, they pinned him to the wall. We will see.
  6. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 6 December 2019 15: 41
    -5
    A GDP trip to a meeting shows that there is no strength to aggravate the situation, it cannot betray to the end now. And there will be a war until the last Donbass ...
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 14: 05
      +2
      Don't spread your liberal nonsense here. You only in "Echo, Rain", and on "Freedom" to publish your inadequate.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 8 December 2019 23: 30
        +3
        Don't spread your liberal nonsense here. You only in "Echo, Rain", and on "Freedom" to publish your inadequate.

        I'm afraid the list is not limited to these esteemed publications. For example, today YouTube put a video in the recommendations for you, now I know that we, it turns out, have a libertarian party. laughing Strange young people broadcast how they do not like socialism, the law on foreign agents and bitcoins beg. lol
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 9 December 2019 13: 37
          0
          123, or maybe they’ll beat them ... so that, at least, they’re afraid ... as far as I know - they are cowardly, well ...
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 9 December 2019 18: 05
            +1
            123, or maybe they’ll beat them ... so that, at least, they’re afraid ... as far as I know - they are cowardly, well ...

            I won’t be surprised if they only like it. laughing Judging by the comments under the video, if they caress, they’ll definitely like it. lol
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  8. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 6 December 2019 20: 03
    +3
    In view of the fact that the Minsk agreements have already been thwarted, after this Normandy summit we urgently need to recognize these republics within their former borders, left from the times of the USSR, to hold a referendum on the desire for their reunification with Russia in order to protect ourselves from the invasion of the Galician-Bandera gangs, and cessation of shelling and killing of civilians in Donbass by them. The howl and hysteria of our "partners" will rise, but we are no longer used to this, and we need to make it clear to all these "Westerners" that we, as we have put Europe on its knees more than once, will put it again, but now the last one, and another we are not given.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 14: 06
      0
      Val, this needs a reason ... And this is the death of civilians ...
  9. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 7 December 2019 00: 09
    -5
    "Norman Summit": no one is going to negotiate with Russia

    No one has agreed with Russia for a long time. At least not negotiated as an equal partner.
    What can a sanctioned country oppose, with what to frighten, its "sanctioners"?
    What will not give them gas? Then they will not give her money. Why would such a country then buy from the same sanctioners all that it needs, and that it itself will not release?

    It's just ridiculous to read such jingoistic "offenders" in the style:

    Special hopes for a meeting in the "Norman format", scheduled for next Monday, December 9, as a matter of fact, no one had originally laid. The euphoria that appeared to some after the change of the “first person” in Ukraine was dispelled quickly enough, since this is the “first” with its own statement and practical step related to the situation in the Donbass and Ukrainian-Russian relations, “is losing face” More

    It is time to understand that it is only in Russia that the following formula works:

    The President is the King, As He Said, It Will Be So.

    In other countries everything is different, and one person CANNOT decide the fate of thousands and millions. And not everywhere those who disagree with the "party line" are "packed in paddy wagons", as in the Russian Federation.

    In the same Ukraine, a very significant role is played by nationalists. Someone may not like them, but the fact that they VERY IDEAL, only the evil one will doubt. And such "ideological" ones do not give clearly not pro-Bandera Zelensky make friends with Russia again.

    But the "imperial peppers" from the Russian Federation are not aware of this. How did Zelensky not repackage all nationalists and their sympathizers in police vans? Disorder ...
    Yes, because all such ideological ones in Ukraine just can’t get enough of avtozak ...

    PS if we talk about

    since this is the very “first” with each of its statements ... “losing face” more and more

    Well, how did the first person in Russia lose their face after they first said:

    And here we are, behind ... and see how they shoot

    And then, when the people of Donbass believed and began to rise (without the "green men", as in the Crimea), he said:

    I would like to appeal to the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine [i] with a request to postpone the referendum.

    So then, this person finally lost all respect for himself on the part of pro-Russian people in Ukraine.
  10. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 7 December 2019 00: 22
    -3
    Quote: Port
    need to beat, as beat from 41 to 45

    The authorities of the Russian Federation are afraid to do so, how to give drink they are afraid.
  11. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 7 December 2019 00: 27
    -4
    Quote: Port
    About b / Ukraine, you can no longer remember

    No matter how much you live in parallel reality, no one has erased Ukraine from maps and world globes ...

    Yes, and about the Russian Federation can be said with the prefix "former" - "former cool Russian Federation", an inflated image of whose comprehensive steepness completely blown away with the imposition of sanctions and a change in the attitude of Western countries towards it.

    No, of course, cheers-patriots continue to engage in cheers-patriotic auto-training. But - living in parallel reality.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 7 December 2019 11: 25
      +3
      If the GDP merges the Donbass in the same way as it did not notice crime and Russophobia in the republics of the former USSR and millions of Russian refugees, then in Russia there will be a new government and a new president, and then we'll talk ... A person who can only raise his retirement age, referring to lack of money, and immediately give Kyrgyzstan $ 250 million, Russia is not needed!
  12. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 7 December 2019 11: 21
    +1
    In this case, there’s no reason to go there!
  13. steelmaker Online steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 December 2019 11: 44
    +2
    And do not grease the "fans". Fans give links, upload videos, not HAMYAT! PROVOCATOR !!!

    Do not spread on the wall is not like you yourself,
    know yourself by comparison, otherwise they will send you to the dogs!
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 December 2019 18: 17
      -1
      But the "grunts" never give links. repeat
  14. Warrior Offline Warrior
    Warrior 7 December 2019 13: 49
    +2
    And why did Great Russia agree with Europe dependent on it, and even more so with moronic Ukraine? ...
    You just need to do what Putin does:
    - build through its territory transit routes between China (Japan, S. and S. Korea, India and other Asian countries) and Europe: high-speed rail, express highway, Northern Sea Route, Air routes, pipeline routes for gas, oil, water and chemical products, etc .;
    - develop along these routes mining, production and other infrastructure through foreign investment;
    - serve these routes, provide them with equipment, cars, electric locomotives, rails, airplanes, etc .;
    - develop Russian cities along these routes, attract science, make advanced discoveries, etc .;
    - to develop and maintain a military security structure along these routes at the expense of investors, to release new military equipment for this, including the space structure.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 December 2019 18: 23
      +1
      Slowly this is done, only with

      - build through its territory transit routes between China (Japan, S. and S. Korea, India, etc.

      - some problems. How is it between China and Japan? They are directly closer, and the road is not yet foreseen. Moreover, the Japanese are forced, the same is South Korea. Kim doesn't mind. And to India it is somehow problematic, there is Afghanistan, there is, of course, a route through Iran and further by sea, but a decent hook, such logistics may be in demand if the sea "turns off the crane."
  15. DPN Offline DPN
    DPN (DPN) 7 December 2019 18: 18
    +1
    But does Russia need to negotiate with them? We got the Nuclear Shield from the USSR: bread, potatoes, and even bananas all year round, the West will sell everything else for GAZ and OIL, and of course the PRC, when it sits on gas, will not want to return to the firewood. OIL prices must be restrained by the Strategic Missile Forces exercises, sometimes they must make mistakes in favor of Russia.
  16. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 7 December 2019 22: 20
    -1
    Quote: 123
    That's it. Will you release the territory in the forefront? By the way, this will already be a real war.

    What became scary? Have you been looking for enemies?
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 December 2019 18: 26
      0
      What became scary? Have you been looking for enemies?

      And is it scary here? Do you want war? And for centuries they’ll be hollowing into this sore spot, there’s no need to invent any kind of famines.
  17. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 7 December 2019 22: 24
    -1
    Quote: UpperMost
    Yes, and about the Russian Federation can be said with the prefix "former" - "the former cool Russian Federation", an exaggerated image of all-round coolness, which was completely blown away by the introduction of sanctions and a change in the attitude of Western countries towards it.

    Ask Trump and Biden whether Russia is cool or not! At the same time, their Minister of Defense and the chairman of the committee of chiefs of staff, only quietly, so as not to get scared, by chance! laughing
  18. zenitovets Offline zenitovets
    zenitovets (Ivan) 7 December 2019 22: 31
    +1
    No need to negotiate, especially with this scum from Ukraine! You can listen to France and Germany, and take a leave. ALL!
  19. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 7 December 2019 22: 35
    0
    Quote: UpperMost
    No, of course, cheers-patriots continue to engage in cheers-patriotic auto-training. But - living in parallel reality ...

    I don't know where you live, but I am in the center of Russia! And I sneezed at your sanctions! So far, I just noticed that they are good for the country! - factories, including machine-building, are growing, agriculture is developing, the army is being rearmed. And as for the "impoverishment of the masses," I'll tell you what - there is nowhere to put cars in the yards of the district - everything is busy! And the cars are by no means cheap! Families already have, usually not one, but at least two cars! In the entrances, all the walls are pasted over: "I will buy an apartment in your house"! it's not me, but you live in a parallel reality! We sneezed at your sanctions!
  20. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 7 December 2019 22: 39
    0
    Quote: Warrior
    And why did Great Russia agree with Europe dependent on it, and even more so with moronic Ukraine? ...

    I agree! Let "they" look for ways to negotiate with us! If something doesn’t suit them, it’s not our problem!
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  22. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 8 December 2019 17: 14
    -1
    Quote: Igor Aviator
    Ask Trump and Biden whether Russia is cool or not! At the same time, their Minister of Defense

    And what should I ask them - only one fact is obvious to everyone: an increasing number of countries in the post-Soviet space now and then turn out to be divorced from Russia, and fall under US control.

    And here the fault is not only, and NOT MUCH, in slovenly peoples of such countries, and the fact that the peoples themselves are often NOBODY and asks for NOTHING.
    The United States simply brings the people they need to power in such countries, and they do everything inside the countries, subject to the external legitimacy of what is happening.
    This is called soft power.

    And the Russian Federation, ABSOLUTELY NOT OWNING with this technique, instead of this, it has in its arsenal such primitive "blanks" as:
    1) oil and gas pedaling,
    2) custom duty pedaling, and
    3) (if the two previous methods are unsuccessful, but as a rule this is so) "offenders" and accusations of non-brotherhood.

    Where are the brothers? Since 1992 all former republics steel independent countries....
    1. Warrior Offline Warrior
      Warrior 11 December 2019 22: 04
      +2
      All former USSR countries have become fictitiously and formally independent countries, but in fact ALL of them depend on Russia, and the USA and Europe do not want and are not going to make them independent and help them financially and technologically.
      The United States and Europe need servants doing dirty work for them (now it is to annoy and weaken Russia), and a market for their waste ...
      On the contrary, Russia became better after the collapse of the USSR because Russia got rid of these "idlers and suckers" who were only drawing all the juices from Great Russia.
  23. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 9 December 2019 16: 54
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    Everyone saw it and the blind ... I would like to see how the GDP will resist. Or there will be a third stage of betrayal of the Donbass ...
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    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 10 December 2019 09: 30
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      Any other instructions from you? bully
  25. Warrior Offline Warrior
    Warrior 12 December 2019 11: 43
    +1
    Russia is a Great, Strong and Independent eternal world power, so it should set its own conditions to the West, which are beneficial to Russia, and not listen to these weaklings, according to the principle: "They are afraid - they are respected."
    Glory to the Great Russia!