Kiev was unable to recover billions from Russia


Despite Ukraine’s triumphant reports about the upcoming forced collection of funds from Gazprom, the Ukrainian Naftogaz had to admit that everything was not so simple, despite the decision of the Stockholm arbitration.


The executive director of the Ukrainian state-owned company, Yuriy Vitrenko, told Radio NV that far from all European countries are prepared to equally consider cases of forcibly recovering 3 billion from Russian Gazprom by decision of the Stockholm arbitration.

According to him, it will be problematic for Ukraine to proceed with the enforcement of penalties in countries such as Poland, Germany and Moldova. Vitrenko believes that in these countries difficulties with the implementation of the arbitral award arose due to the influence political conjuncture.

In conclusion, it is worth noting that while the presence of Germany and Moldova among the countries where the recovery of funds from Gazprom seems problematic is at least somehow explainable, the presence of Poland, one of the most Russophobic countries in Europe, raises certain questions.

Apparently, the statement by the head of the Polish gas operator PGNiG that from December 31, 2022 Poland will not renew the “Yamal contract” for the purchase of Russian gas, is no more than a bluff, pending negotiations on the terms of the extension of this contract.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 30 November 2019 13: 35
    -1
    Do not reassure yourself with these statements. And the fact that Russia lost in the courts already suggests that something needs to be changed. But I think the changes will be primarily among the citizens of Russia. Tariffs will rise, taxes will come up and not for a penny. And it always happens when "the fish rots from the head!"
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 30 November 2019 14: 52
      -3
      And it always happens when "the fish rots from the head!"

      Change, of course, is necessary. Try to start with yours.
    2. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
      Observer2014 30 November 2019 21: 02
      0
      Quote: steel maker
      Do not reassure yourself with these statements. And the fact that Russia lost in the courts already suggests that something needs to be changed. But I think the changes will be primarily among the citizens of Russia. Tariffs will rise, taxes will come up and not for a penny. And it always happens when "the fish rots from the head!"

      What kind of fish are you talking about?
    3. YUG64 Offline YUG64
      YUG64 (Yuri) 1 December 2019 12: 27
      +4
      You have not understood the main thing ... Gazprom will find where to add its gas, because today it is the cheapest for Europe and China ... This means that politicized courts will not hit Gazprom - they will hit Europe. And then she will have to choose - to be with cheap gas or be a fool. The choice is theirs. As for the specific decision of Stockholm - there is no specific time for payment. Something tells me that Ukraine will not see the money. Enough for her direct supplies, which are a quarter cheaper.
      1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
        Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 12: 54
        -2
        Quote: YUG64
        Gazprom will find where to build its gas, because today it is the cheapest for Europe and China ...

        Did you come up with this yourself?
        But Turkmen gas, why is it more expensive than Gazprom gas for China?
        What about Iran?
        But Kazakhstan and in the future Azerbaijani?

        Quote: YUG64
        And then she will have to choose - to be with cheap gas or to be stupid.

        Cheap gas (until we discuss what Gazprom offers) is not an argument.
        Foreign trade is a complicated thing.
        Today you don’t buy my gas (even if it’s not cheap, that’s not the point).
        And tomorrow I will tax your cars and other products.
        Therefore, the day after tomorrow you already agree to buy my expensive gas even 2 times more expensive.
        This is approximately how foreign trade works.
        1. YUG64 Offline YUG64
          YUG64 (Yuri) 1 December 2019 13: 18
          +1
          If you didn’t know, Iran is selling liquefied gas to China, which will not be cheaper than the Russian pipeline. As for the Kazakh and Turkmen gas, I did not find any contracts indicating the price in the network. I would be grateful if you enlighten. Although I do not think that the difference in price will be at least any significant. Well, about the difficulties of foreign trade ... Europe - unlike China - is not spoiled by the abundance of pipeline gas suppliers. Therefore, Gazprom’s supplies for it today are simply uncontested. That is what I was talking about. It seems to be in plain language. It turned out - not for everyone.
          1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 14: 13
            -3
            Quote: YUG64
            Iran sells liquefied gas to China, which will not be cheaper than the Russian pipeline.

            Who told you that?
            Usually, supporters of pipeline gas transportation completely "forget" the fact that laying pipelines is costly. In addition, the exclusion zone (land) is removed from circulation for the period of operation of the pipelines, and this is a lot of money.
            Offshore pipelines have their own jambs, an aggressive environment. Therefore, the service life of such pipelines is much shorter than onshore.
            In addition, the gas itself does not flow through the pipe, it is pumped. And the longer the pipeline, the greater the cost of this pumping.
            And finally, "technical gas". This is the gas that will subsequently be lost in the pipeline itself. Its volume and price are also very strong. And the longer the pipeline is, the more of this gas is needed.
            And, of course, the cost of gas at the point of production. Rotational gas production in permafrost does not have a beneficial effect on Gazprom’s production costs.

            Quote: YUG64
            Europe - unlike China - is not spoiled by the abundance of pipeline gas suppliers.

            Why are you so hard on this PIPE gas? There is a feeling that you are stuck for 30-40 years in the past. The world has long mastered other ways of transporting gas.

            Quote: YUG64
            Therefore, Gazprom’s supplies for it today are simply uncontested.

            Well yes.
            What about Qatar?
            What about Norway?
            What about the USA?
            And TANAP (Azerbaijan and in the future, Turkmenistan)?
            Full suppliers for Europe. And there are gas piles. And it’s not expensive at all.
            In 2019, Ukraine bought in Europe an average of 195 dollars per thousand cubic meters, if I am not mistaken.

            Quote: YUG64
            That is what I was talking about. It seems to be in plain language. It turned out - not for everyone.

            You are talking nonsense. That is why it is perceived with hostility.
            1. YUG64 Offline YUG64
              YUG64 (Yuri) 1 December 2019 15: 19
              +5
              I do not know a single specialist - the power engineer, who would argue - that's how you are now - that any liquefied gas is supplied to Europe at prices lower than the Russian pipeline. If you know such people, give me a reference, read ... Well, actually, there’s no point in commenting on your pearls. The US share in the energy market of Europe - like TANAP - you should google first, so as not to disgrace. All the best!!
              1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 15: 47
                -2
                Quote: YUG64
                I do not know a single specialist - the power engineer, who would argue - that's how you are now - that any liquefied gas is supplied to Europe at prices lower than the Russian pipeline.

                And you do not need to know them. Just look at gas prices on European hubs. This summer, he was there at $ 120 per 1000 cubic meters. What is much cheaper than Gazprom.

                Quote: YUG64
                The US share in the European energy market - like TANAP - you should google first.

                I won’t say anything about Tanap. In addition, after inserting Turkmenistan into it, the amount of gas in it will increase.
                And as for American gas, I wrote to you more than once that this topic should not be considered strictly today. Because US gas exports to Europe are just beginning. The situation must be considered in dynamics. With a horizon of even 5 years, Gazprom does not shine anything good.

                Quote: YUG64
                so as not to disgrace.

                Do not worry about this topic. For yourself, first of all, do not worry.
                1. YUG64 Offline YUG64
                  YUG64 (Yuri) 1 December 2019 15: 59
                  +2
                  The United States can ramp up its LNG exports to Europe as much as they like. The main role is played by price. In addition - if you did not know - under contracts concluded with American companies, Lithuanians at their terminal have already repeatedly received gas from Ust-Luga, these are the realities. The market loves suckers, and does not like costly logistics schemes. As for summer prices - who told you that this will be repeated annually ?? But do not want to remember how in March last year Ukraine bought gas at a spot for $ 500 and above? )) So be calm beyond the Gazprom horizons, especially since gas consumption in Europe has been growing year by year, and Groningen has been closing since 2022. This is it - realities, and not what is drawn in your unhealthy imagination.
                  PS Inserts in TANAP will somehow increase the throughput of the pipe ??))
                  1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                    Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 16: 27
                    -3
                    Quote: YUG64
                    The US can ramp up its LNG exports to Europe as much as they like.

                    Not as much as you want, but how much Europe can use.

                    Quote: YUG64
                    The main role is played by price.

                    Not always.

                    Quote: YUG64
                    The market loves suckers, and does not like costly logistics schemes.

                    Market and foreign trade are slightly different things.

                    Quote: YUG64
                    But do not want to remember how in March last year Ukraine bought gas at a spot for $ 500 and above? )))

                    And why not for 5 thousand dollars? More ambitious jokes.

                    Quote: YUG64
                    So be calm beyond the Gazprom horizons, all the more so as gas consumption in Europe is growing year by year.

                    Gas consumption is decreasing from year to year.
                    And gas exports from the United States are increasing year by year.
                    Therefore, one cannot be calm beyond the Gazprom horizons.

                    Quote: YUG64
                    and not what is drawn in your unhealthy imagination.

                    I am happy for your imagination. Healthy as you expect.

                    Quote: YUG64
                    Tie-ins in TANAP will somehow increase pipe throughput ??

                    The insert in TANAP helps to ensure the filling of this pipe.
                    1. YUG64 Offline YUG64
                      YUG64 (Yuri) 1 December 2019 17: 36
                      +1
                      I have no desire to argue with such a major specialist in the field of the European gas market. Just look at the dynamics of Gazprom's supplies and its percentage share in the European market over the years. I hope you can do it. All the best!!)
                      1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                        Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 18: 04
                        -3
                        Quote: YUG64
                        Just look at the dynamics of Gazprom’s supply and its percentage share on the European market by years. I hope you can do it.

                        Exactly. Right from the beginning of 2020, and start tracking these numbers. Very surprised at their dynamics.
                        The displacement of Gazprom from the European market as a reserve supplier is already underway. And all this did not even begin in 2019. But in fact, the numbers will go starting from 2020.
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    4. LeftPers Offline LeftPers
      LeftPers (Anton) 2 December 2019 07: 32
      +3
      ... Russia lost in the courts ...

      In biased, Russophobic courts, these are not courts, they are just fiction, and Russia should simply send these courts into the forest together with the "plaintiffs" from the U chamber.
  2. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
    Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 14: 02
    -4
    Kiev was unable to recover billions from Russia

    BYe was unable to. But this story is not over yet.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 30 November 2019 14: 49
      +1
      BYe was unable to. But this story is not over yet.

      Until it turned out to be in condition. It will be more correct good And yet, yes, the story is not over, the new year and the beginning of the next will not be boring. repeat
  3. Oh, you want money! All of them, the Soviet followers, at first spoil Russia, and then they want the dough from Russia!
  4. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 30 November 2019 17: 49
    +1
    - Personally, I just have to continue and give some clarification to my comments on this topic ...
    The thing is that Ukraine is in Zap. Europe is already tired of everyone ... -And Ukraine is in a critical condition to continue anti-Russian policy ...
    - Both Germany and the entire EU will soon begin to simply "drain" it (they have already begun) and, of course, all "European courts and arbitration" (this "instrument" of Western Europe) will stop "standing up" for Ukraine ...
    - This whole "European coalition" (including courts and arbitrations) will begin to show all sorts of "claims" to ... to ... to ... to Russia (Gazprom) ... -And, I assure everyone present .. that on in this "field" all the actions of this "coalition" (courts and arbitrations to help them) will be quite successful ... -And it will not be difficult for them ... -Gazprom itself has monstrously "screwed up" and continues in the same spirit ...
    - Plus to everything .., besides this ... - Gazprom (Russia) will soon add another "headache" ... - this is the "Turkish Stream" ...
    - Gazprom did not have allies before, it had "partners" who were ready to substitute it (and substitute it) at every step ...
    - With the launch of the SP-2 and Turkish Stream, the pressure on Gazprom will increase many times ...
    - Therefore ... Russia must immediately try to have at least some kind of "gas ally" ... -This ally can become "Ukraine, abandoned by all" (Ukraine also has a terrible critical situation ... ...
    - And Russia just needs to proactively come up with a proposal to conclude a long-term agreement with Ukraine on the supply of Russian gas through Ukrainian territory ... -And this must be done as soon as possible ... -Russia just needs to have a "backup option" for transporting gas through Ukraine ... -For Russia it is necessary ...
    - By the way ... - this is where Zelensky's "suitability" for playing in "big politics" will be revealed ...
  5. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 30 November 2019 19: 16
    +4
    Poland is difficult to suspect in love for Ukraine. Bandera people in Poland simply hate and no one forgot the Volyn massacre in Poland and is not going to forget.
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  7. Warrior Offline Warrior
    Warrior 30 November 2019 23: 38
    +3
    From 2020, almost all Russian gas will go to China, and if Europe also wants to receive Russian gas, and even increases its consumption, due to a decrease in gas supplies from European and African sources, then Europe, it needs "kindly" and " gently "treat Russia, otherwise they will freeze and die out, like mammoths in Siberia ...
    And Ukraine to them is not even a country.
  8. Alexey Kirillov Offline Alexey Kirillov
    Alexey Kirillov (Alexey) 1 December 2019 16: 36
    0
    And how do Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan sell their gas? Which pipelines?