Berlin called the conditions for the preservation of Ukrainian gas transit


Recently we Reportedhow Germany filed an appeal (complaint) against the decision of the European Union (EU) court to restrict the use of the OPAL gas pipeline, which is a continuation of the Nord Stream pipeline running across the bottom of the Baltic Sea. And so, in the Bundestag (unicameral federal parliament of Germany) they told what Kiev should do in order to maintain the role of a transit country for Russian gas to Europe.


Berlin is sure that the “independent” is obliged to adapt (modernize) its energy (gas transportation) infrastructure, including legislation, to the rules of the EU internal market. This was stated TASS head of the Bundestag committee on the economy and energy Klaus Ernst from the Left Party (Die Linke).

He clarified that Germany does not mind that Ukraine should remain a transit country, but Kiev must timely make its payments and fulfill other requirements, which are “enough”. For example, Ukraine should reform Naftogaz Ukrainy and make transit capacities more efficient (for objectivity, to remindthat Kiev has already reported on the creation of an independent operator).

The federal government proceeds from the fact that gas transit is an important tool for cooperation between Ukraine and Russia, as well as to ensure that the republic remains confident in the supply of gas from Russia. However, Ukraine must pay for this gas in a timely and guaranteed manner.

- emphasized Ernst.

At the same time, the politician added that he considers unacceptable the preservation of transit through Ukraine only so that Kiev continues to receive payment for this. He explained that if the EU wants to give Ukraine money, then let it do it on the basis of decisions of its own institutions and from its own budget, and not at the expense of Germany.
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  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 29 November 2019 14: 32
    +2
    Germany does not mind Ukraine remaining a transit country

    - and what, the Germans supply gas to someone through Ukraine? This is all some kind of surrealism. And someone else calls all this "the market" ... And with market relations, everything that has been happening for a long time has nothing at all to do ...
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 29 November 2019 15: 04
      +2
      - But what, the Germans through Ukraine supply gas to someone?

      Not. They say that it makes no difference to them through which pipe to draw gas, only now they cannot blackmail them by stopping transit. hi
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 29 November 2019 15: 25
        +2
        The article is generally good and positive for us. And I understand its meaning. It's just that some of the formulations (to which I drew attention) of the Western "partners", in my opinion, are already somewhat overstepping the boundaries of common sense ... And we ourselves are largely to blame for the fact that they feel the right to interfere and speak out in everything there. and for any reason ...
        Under the pretext of "market relations", the management of Russian state corporations introduced their companies, and thus the Russian Federation, almost completely dependent on those who, in turn, really depend on what they themselves supply them ... upside down relationships and interdependencies ...
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 29 November 2019 15: 02
    +5
    He explained that if the EU wants to give Ukraine money, then let it do it on the basis of decisions of its own institutions and from its own budget, and not at the expense of Germany.

    Frau Merkel is tired of parasites. yesNow, if citizens from Brussels decide to support Ukraine with money, they will have to cut subsidies to other freeloaders, including Poland and the Baltics. It is interesting to look at the "European solidarity" in this development of events. laughing
    1. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
      S.V.YU 30 November 2019 19: 10
      +2
      That is why the UK is leaving the EU! They do not need parasites!
  3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 29 November 2019 15: 16
    +4
    Ukraine has a port, so let US LNG transit to the joy of Europe! The Americans do not hide the fact that they spent $ 5 billion to bend Ukraine under themselves. And why should Russia be shy too, to bend Bendera for themselves? Close the valve, stop all trade and prohibit other allies, and until they begin to bend under us, let them jump! They know how, I know!
  4. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 29 November 2019 20: 27
    -4
    At the same time, the politician added that he considers unacceptable the preservation of transit through Ukraine only so that Kiev continues to receive payment for this.

    - This politician himself understood ...- what he said ...
    - I.e. Ukraine now has to drive Russian gas through its territory and at the same time constantly sentence .. that, they say, I, Ukraine, do all this not only in order to get paid for it ...- Hahah ...

    He explained that if the EU wants to give Ukraine money, then let it do it on the basis of decisions of its own institutions and from its own budget, and not at the expense of Germany.

    - And here everything is clear ... -personally I already wrote that Germany will return all its money ...- to the last pfennig ... -I mean ...- at the expense of Russia ...
    - But, since gas relations between Russia ... - and Germany; and with the whole EU; and Turkey will very soon begin to deteriorate and be revised many times (not in favor of Russia) ... then ... then ... then ... then Russia just needs to provide itself with a "backup gas option" ... -This is a new long-term agreement between Russia and Ukraine on the supply of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine ...
    - And Russia just urgently needs to proactively come out with this proposal to the leadership of Ukraine ... -just urgently ...
    - Russia can still have time to propose the rules of "its own game" and ... and "make" this game itself ... - It is not too late ... but there is very little time left for this ...
    - Personally, I’m already repeating here ... here ... here ... here about this constantly ...
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  5. zenitovets Offline zenitovets
    zenitovets (Ivan) 29 November 2019 23: 43
    +3
    Personally, I believe that we should not have any contracts with Ukraine at all. We have never had a meaner and more unreliable partner than Ukraine. And against the background of contracts with China, the Ukrainian market does not mean anything to us. Ukrov must be strictly taught - by the face of the table.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 30 November 2019 22: 01
      +2
      Ivan, in fact, selling gas abroad is not critical to the budget of the Russian Federation. This is just one of MANY income items ... We trade not only gas with the World, but also oil, wheat, and weapons ... even ice cream ...
      1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
        Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 22: 18
        -4
        Quote: A.Lex
        Ivan, in fact, selling gas abroad is not critical to the budget of the Russian Federation.

        Export in 2018 amounted to $ 452,1 billion. Of these, $ 49,1 billion (10,9%) is gas export.
        Nifiga itself is "not critically important." It is even very critical.
        Especially considering the fact that export of crude oil and petroleum products seems to be coming in the next 5 years. And in 2018, crude oil exports accounted for 28,5% of total exports. And another 17,3% was the export of petroleum products (without diesel fuel, and this is another 7,3%).
        You can’t replace all this with ice cream. For medicines alone, $ 8 billion a year is needed.
        In general, harsh times are coming. Over the next 5 years, the US will claim its share in oil and gas supplies worldwide. Those. which accounts for approximately 64% of Russia's total exports (in 2018).
        And they will achieve their goal, by any means. So the future is very foggy.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 30 November 2019 23: 44
          +4
          Nifiga itself is "not critically important." Very critical

          You are right, export is very important, but dependence on it is slowly but declining. Although to be honest, a significant reduction in the share of oil and gas is not particularly visible.

          In general, harsh times are coming. Over the next 5 years, the USA will claim its share in oil and gas supplies worldwide. Those. that is 64% of Russia's total exports.

          So they want to become a gas station? They can pretend, they claim everything. Only not all cat curd, and sometimes the muzzle on the thresholdlaughing

          And they will achieve their goal, by any means. So the future is very foggy.

          And how are they going to do this? Firstly, are they able to offer a competitive price or will they simply oblige you to buy? To significantly increase the production of shale oil and gas, they need prices of about $ 100.
          Secondly, to whom are they all going to sell it? Poland, the Baltic states? Maybe Germany will finish the pipe, close it and buy from the Americans? The Japanese and Indians invested in our gas production. Maybe China?
          And finally, are they able to significantly increase production?

          According to the forecast of the US Department of Energy, oil production in the country in 2019 will average 12,2 million barrels per day (bpd), compared with 11 million bpd a year earlier. In 2018, production increased from 10mn bpd in January to 12mn bpd in December, and activity in the sector is now slowing down. "" We are approaching the peak production and we are close to the peak of physical production at these fields. " notes Evercore ISI managing director James West. "

          They have increased production and come in first place


          And then what, due to what is planned to grow further? Here are the data on confirmed oil reserves.


          Oil: Net imports of 6 million barrels per day
          The United States exports about 1,5 million barrels per day, in addition, it imports 7,5 million barrels per day. This means that net oil imports are around 6 million barrels per day.


          Petroleum products: net exports of 2 million barrels per day

          As I understand it, they do not shine to become a gas station. It remains reliable on shale gas, but have they been treating us with the shale revolution for about 8 years? And there, net imports are not great either.
          1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 00: 26
            -6
            Quote: 123
            You are right, export is very important, but dependence on it is slowly but declining.

            Crude oil, gas, oil products and diesel fuel in 2017 amounted to $ 212,8 billion (59,3%), in 2018 $ 289,3 billion (64,0%).
            Those. in fact, everything is exactly the opposite.

            Quote: 123
            That is, they want to become a gas station?

            And where should they put shale oil and gas? We have to sell abroad, nowhere else.

            Quote: 123
            They can pretend, they claim everything. Only not all cat curd, and sometimes the muzzle on the threshold.

            How they can bargain, they showed on the example of China (came under distribution). Everyone in the world understood everything at once.

            Quote: 123
            Firstly, are they able to offer a competitive price or will they simply oblige you to buy?

            And what's the difference, how? It is said that they will buy, and they will buy. How cute.
            Of course, in the first place, Americans will sell their raw materials in the sweetest market, in Europe. And the previous suppliers will only have to be upset there.
            In addition, the largest reserves of shale sands are located in China. And China is actively engaged in development. Therefore, soon the turn will come to upset suppliers of oil and gas already to China.

            Quote: 123
            To significantly increase the production of shale oil and gas, they need prices of about $ 100.

            60 are excellently managed. And there is also evidence that 40 will be. And then the cost will only decrease - progress does not stand still.

            Quote: 123
            Maybe Germany will finish the pipe, close it and buy from the Americans?

            Here you are at the very point guessed. That will be so. And then they will come up with some justification.

            Quote: 123
            The Japanese and Indians invested in our gas production.

            To the Japanese, this is only later. After Europe.

            Quote: 123
            Here are the data on confirmed oil reserves.

            This is a filkin letter.
            There is oil in stocks.
            It happens recoverable.
            It can be cost-effective.
            These are all different numbers. Very different.
            In Russia with profitable reserves, everything is very bad.
            In addition, shale sands are not taken into account there. And American and future Chinese oil (and gas), it is shale.

            Quote: 123
            As I understand it - they do not shine to become a gas station.

            According to the International Energy Agency, in the next 5 years, the United States will begin to export more oil than import, and the United States will overtake Russia in terms of total oil exports and come as close to Saudi Arabia as possible.

            Quote: 123
            ... but have they been treating us with the shale revolution for about 8 years?

            Step by step. The shale revolution has occurred and very soon we will see its fruits more clearly than now.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 1 December 2019 04: 13
              +3
              Crude oil, gas, oil products and diesel fuel in 2017 amounted to $ 212,8 billion (59,3%), in 2018 $ 289,3 billion (64,0%). Those. in fact, everything is exactly the opposite.

              Didn’t you understand anything again?

              The export of petroleum products in 2018 increased by 1,1% to 150,05 million tons, in monetary terms - by 34,1%, to 78,109 billion dollars. In December, the export of petroleum products decreased by 1,5% compared to November - to 11,604 million tons, in money terms - by 13,1%, to $ 5,976 billion.

              Russian revenues from natural gas exports in 2018 increased by 28,8% to $ 49,1 billion. Gas exports in December decreased by 1,4% compared with November - to 18,4 billion cubic meters. Information on gas export earnings in December is not available.

              Oil exports grew by 1,1%, while revenues grew by 34,1%, gas exports fell by 1,4%, and revenues grew by 28,8%. Prices have changed, respectively, and the total share in exports in monetary terms. What does the addiction have to do with it? These are just extra revenue. Speaking of less dependence on exports, I had in mind the developing production, the need for imports is reduced.

              And where should they put shale oil and gas? We have to sell abroad, nowhere else.

              Are you laughing See the data above again. They stupidly NOTHING to sell, net exports at the level of statistical error. They buy almost as much as they sell.

              How they can bargain, they showed on the example of China (came under distribution). Everyone in the world understood everything at once.

              They showed this even earlier, using the DPRK as an example. wassat Everyone in the world realized that they spit on the Americans. As China got on the giveaway, so the United States got on the giveaway. They can do nothing, only threaten.

              And what's the difference, how? It is said that they will buy, and they will buy. How cute. Of course, in the first place, Americans will sell their raw materials in the sweetest market, in Europe. And the previous suppliers will only have to be upset there.
              In addition, the largest reserves of shale sands are located in China. And China is actively engaged in their development. Therefore, soon the turn will come to upset suppliers of oil and gas already to China.

              Do you call Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine "the sweetest market"? Germany has already announced that it does not need this gas. So, all that remains is to threaten them, and tell you fairy tales, which they will become powerful in 5 years. fellow

              60 are excellently managed. And there is also evidence that 40 will be. And then the cost will only decrease - progress does not stand still.

              You have a refined sense of humor. laughing They at a price of 60 go bankrupt, for the year already 26 has flown into the pipe.

              This year, 26 manufacturers went bankrupt in the US oil and gas sector, including the major Sanchez Energy Corp., Halcon Resources Corp., Bristow Group, PHI, Jones Energy and Rex Energy. Recently, one of the leading drilling service providers, Oilfield Services Weatherford International, recently announced preparations for bankruptcy proceedings.

              The upcoming bankruptcy was announced by the "pioneer of the shale revolution" Chesapeake Energy, the process is underway. But you, apparently, are not interested in such data? The main thing is that they are assessed well?

              Here you are at the very point guessed. That will be so. And then they will come up with some justification.

              Germany will refuse a pipe? Do you judge Germans by yourself?

              There is oil in stocks. It happens recoverable. It can be cost-effective.
              These are all different numbers. Very different. In Russia with profitable reserves, everything is very bad. In addition, shale sands are not taken into account there. And American and future Chinese oil (and gas), it is shale.

              What about the numbers? A comparison? Do you need this? Blind faith in the hosts? belay How old is the shale revolution? Seven or more? And they all conquer the world to her, there’s still a little left, about five years smile In the meantime, they will all go bankrupt, but that’s nothing, the main thing is faith. sad

              According to the International Energy Agency, in the next 5 years, the United States will begin to export more oil than import, and the United States will overtake Russia in terms of total oil exports and get as close to Saudi Arabia as possible.

              Another election tale of how they will make America great again. ELECTIONS COMING SOON. Remember -

              We are approaching the peak of production, and we are close to the peak of physical production at these fields

              And it’s not the first year that we have been talking about shales for us. All these years, they were simply embarrassed to mine more?

              Step by step. The shale revolution has occurred and very soon we will see its fruits more clearly than now.

              Really? recourse Shale gas in the United States was extracted in 2007, a sharp increase in production in 2011, the term itself appeared in 2012. And soon ... fellow we will see her fruits belay after 5 years winked I'm afraid we'll see its fruits already rotten repeat And do you believe that? Not a sectarian by chance? what
              1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 11: 50
                -3
                Quote: 123
                What does the addiction have to do with it?

                Indeed, 64% of the structure of hydrocarbon exports in different forms is not at all dependent. This is an easy joke, I guess.
                If you are interested, there is also timber, wheat, metals, coal, electricity and other "high-tech products".
                But the export of machinery and equipment amounted to 6,4%.
                Of the most popular goods, these are cars, 0,27%.
                No comment.

                Quote: 123
                See the data above again. They stupidly NOTHING to sell, net exports at the level of statistical error.

                Read carefully what they write to you:

                Quote: Ravshan
                According to the International Energy Agency, in the next 5 years, the United States will begin to export more oil than import, and the United States will overtake Russia in terms of total oil exports and come as close to Saudi Arabia as possible.

                Quote: 123
                As China got on the giveaway, so the US got on the giveaway. They can do nothing, only threaten.

                Tell it to the Chinese. At the end of 2018, from the U.S. sanctions, their economy collapsed by 23,1%. And in 2019, it all continued. But the numbers will only be in 2020.

                Quote: 123
                They showed this even earlier, using the DPRK as an example. Everyone in the world realized that they spit on the Americans.

                This is a very worrisome moment.
                I will not write the details, but this is more than an alarming moment.
                Moreover, China, the DPRK’s main roofing guard, has already preventively received a melon. Moreover, that’s why I got it. And now there will be no defense of the DPRK.

                Quote: 123
                Do you call Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine "the sweetest market"?

                I recommend that you study which countries are in Europe.

                Quote: 123
                Germany has already stated that it does not need this gas.

                Germany has number six. Tolls on its cars in the United States will be introduced, the Germans will not only buy American gas, but also tankers will rush to buy it for transportation.
                You somehow poorly imagine how the world economy works.
                And well, everything was very complicated. But in 2018, Trump, using the example of China, showed the whole world how things really are.
                The whole world understood.
                You are not.
                My condolences to you.

                Quote: 123
                The upcoming bankruptcy was announced by the "pioneer of the shale revolution" Chesapeake Energy, the process is underway. But you, apparently, are not interested in such data?

                Of course, they are not interested. Bankruptcy of a loser is a normal occurrence in business. Others will come in his place. That's all.
                In the United States, "national treasures" are not practiced.

                Quote: 123
                And they all conquer the world to her, there’s still a little left, about five years

                If very rude, then approximately exactly so.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 1 December 2019 15: 51
                  +3
                  Indeed, 64% in the structure of export of hydrocarbons in various forms is not at all dependent. This is a light joke, I guess. If you are interested, there is also timber, wheat, metals, coal, electricity and other "high-tech products". But the export of machinery and equipment amounted to 6,4%. The most widespread of the goods is passenger cars, 0,27%.
                  No comment.

                  You do not read the comments or are not able to comprehend them? I did not say that with export of products with high added value, everything is fine with us. The export of raw materials dominates, but it sells well, how bad it is to sell raw materials, a moot point, whoever has them - they sell and don’t complain, the United States is not averse to doing this, they are happy to sell the coal and strive to become a gas station, but it doesn’t work out very well.

                  Speaking of less dependence on exports, I had in mind the developing production, the need for imports is reduced.

                  Production is developing, the domestic market is saturated with its products, and less foreign currency is required for imports. You consider yourself an economist, I hope you have heard such a concept as market conditions? Prices for raw materials have increased, respectively, they received more money for it, that's all. There is no urgent need for these additional incomes, the surplus settles in the "money box". What does addiction have to do with it? I hope you can comprehend this.

                  Read carefully what they write to you:
                  Quote: Ravshan
                  According to the International Energy Agency, in the next 5 years, the United States will begin to export more oil than import, and the United States will overtake Russia in terms of total oil exports and come as close to Saudi Arabia as possible.

                  Why should I read here and ignore what is written here:

                  "We are nearing peak production and we are close to peak physical production at these fields," said James West, Managing Director of Evercore ISI.

                  If you approach the issue with an open mind, it is necessary to evaluate both points of view. I have explained to you in detail why the plans for a new "shale revolution" are just fairy tales and an election campaign. You stubbornly insist - look here and don't look there. This is blind faith. negative Sect? belay

                  Tell it to the Chinese. At the end of 2018, from the U.S. sanctions, their economy collapsed by 23,1%. And in 2019, it all continued. But the numbers will only be in 2020.

                  Where does this information come from? Kindly provide a link. The world's largest economy collapsed by a quarter? Has the world assembly line stopped? True? belay Only the world did not notice this, how did such an event pass by? Apparently, you took the devaluation of the Yuan for this event? What you call "collapsed" is just a slowdown in growth, as in the third quarter the Chinese economy slowed down to 6%. All your "disasters" are just a storm in a teapot. Overseas "bookkeepers" do not run the world, but simply keep their calculations and they are less and less interesting, they simply do not pay attention to them. And what happens to the economy of the formidable "Uncle Sam" at this time? And their growth rates for the 2nd and 10rd quarters decreased from 5 to XNUMX% Oh, belay what happened? Is China bending with such sanctions? lol How many tales do the red clown tell about the new trade deal?

                  This is a very worrisome moment. I will not write the details, but this is more than an alarming moment. Moreover, China, the DPRK’s main roofing guard, has already preventively received a melon. Moreover, that’s why I got it. And now there will be no defense of the DPRK.

                  Truth? About "got in a melon" see the paragraph above. And what about the rest of the "Wishlist"? Turkey and India are demanded to abandon the S-400, and Germany to abandon the gas pipeline. Are these less disturbing moments? winked I repeat, everyone is SAWING at the red-haired clown and he cannot do ANYTHING with this. laughing

                  I recommend that you study which countries are in Europe.

                  I don’t need geography lessons, I don’t need to blunt, the question was, who will buy, except for the Balts, Poles and Ukrainians?

                  Germany has number six. Tolls on its cars in the United States will be introduced, the Germans will not only buy American gas, but also tankers will rush to buy it for transportation. You somehow poorly imagine how the world economy works. And well, everything was very complicated. But in 2018, Trump, using the example of China, showed the whole world how things really are. The whole world understood. You no.
                  My condolences to you.

                  Again, everything in the future tense, try cases to change what has already been done? And then those are bent, so into the melon, they will be forced, these will be forced .... In the meantime, nothing, zilch. There is a desire and that’s all ... (see paragraph above)



                  And do not talk about the whole world, this bike is fed up with the order. There is no whole world, the world is not homogeneous, and opinions often do not coincide with the American one. Your world is very limited, take your head out of the master's hollow, inhale clean air and look at the world without a blurred look.
                  Every joke has a share .... jokes

                  1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                    Ravshan (Jamsut) 1 December 2019 16: 46
                    -4
                    Quote: 123
                    the surplus is deposited in the "capsule".

                    This is called the poor quality of economic management.
                    In principle, a little egg can be. But exclusively in the form of an investment fund. And in the form of just capsules, this is nonsense.

                    Quote: 123
                    I have explained to you in detail why the plans for a new "shale revolution" are just fairy tales and an election campaign. You stubbornly insist - look here and don't look there.

                    Gazprom also mumbled these mantras for many years in a row. Until he himself fell under the distribution of this "fairy tale".

                    Quote: 123
                    The world's largest economy collapsed by a quarter?

                    At the end of 2018, the Chinese economy accounted for 24,74% of the US.
                    In 2018, the decline in the Chinese economy amounted to 23,1%.
                    Write all nonsense. And you believe in it yourself.

                    Quote: 123
                    Has the world assembly line stopped?

                    God, what nonsense.

                    Quote: 123
                    What you call "collapsed" is just a slowdown in growth, as in the third quarter the Chinese economy slowed down to 6%.

                    I told him about Ivan, and he told me about a boob. He doesn’t cut anything in the economy at all.

                    Quote: 123
                    Overseas "bookkeepers" do not run the world, but simply keep their accounts

                    Actually, I use German data.

                    Quote: 123
                    And what happens to the economy of the formidable "Uncle Sam" at this time?

                    At the end of 2018, everything is wonderful - the growth of the economy by 9,1%.

                    Quote: 123
                    And for them in the 2nd and third quarter, the growth rate decreased from 10 to 5%

                    With whom and why am I talking? This is a complete zero in the economy!
                    He is relaying here the funniest TV programs for suckers.

                    Quote: 123
                    Are these less troubling moments?

                    Less. The moment with the DPRK is the most alarming for Russia.

                    Quote: 123
                    I repeat, everyone is SAWING at the red-haired clown and he cannot do ANYTHING with this.

                    Of course of course. In the cotton world, its own development of events. Alternative.

                    Quote: 123
                    There is no whole world, the world - it is not homogeneous, and opinions often do not coincide with the American one.

                    It seems so to you. In fact, the modern world is the United States and its backyards. One degree or another of remoteness / proximity and loyalty / disloyalty.
                    The opinion of the backyard of the United States is of very little interest. Almost no interest at all.

                    Quote: 123
                    Your world is very limited, take your head out of the master's hollow, inhale clean air and look at the world without a blurred look.

                    Cotton, or what?
                    Your alternative and virtual world is not interesting to me.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 1 December 2019 17: 24
                      +1
                      I don’t see the point of further commenting on something, you slipped to:

                      God, what nonsense. I told him about Ivan, and he told me about a boob. He doesn’t cut anything in the economy at all. With whom and why am I talking? This is a complete zero in the economy! He is relaying here the funniest TV programs for suckers. Of course of course. In the cotton world, its own development of events. Alternative. Cotton, or what? Your alternative and virtual world is not interesting to me.

                      In general, I seriously fear for your mental health, apparently, you need a break, calm down, drink pills, sleep, maybe the remnants of the mind will return and you can have something articulate. And then you turn into

                    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 3 December 2019 12: 41
                      +1
                      Mmmm! So-so-so ... jamsuto-ravshanny, you stubborn puppeteer ?! Hmm ... how did we not immediately guess?
                      Everything is clear - we have no more questions ...
                  2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                    A.Lex (Secret information) 3 December 2019 12: 38
                    +2
                    123, is he copying himself already? And makes links to himself ...

                    Read carefully what they write to you:

                    Is he sane? I doubt something ... Already whose interests he promotes here, clearly very personally!
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 3 December 2019 12: 43
                      +2
                      Is he sane? I doubt something ... Already whose interests he promotes here, clearly very personally!

                      Honestly, I do not know. Has already ceased to pay attention. This is a second rebirth in my memory, a new "nickname". I'm not sure that someone's interests are rather boring for a person, so he expounds his nonsense. laughing Here somewhere on the next "branch" about the same essay has already left unanswered. I'm tired of delving into such "swirls".
                      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                        A.Lex (Secret information) 3 December 2019 12: 54
                        +2
                        laughing And at first they tried to discuss with him? It is a pity, we spent a lot of time on it. lol Throw beads before - wassat a waste of time. Such for their nonsense will find so much all sorts of evidence that your evidence will drown in that wave of perverted information ... Moreover, this is a stupid Svidomo - they generally have a virtual machine in their head ... After all, they are ruled by all sorts of sick people - and with help from psychiatric hospitals, and all sorts of sectarians ... I’m not talking about alcoholics (since they themselves recently had a similar one) ...
  6. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 30 November 2019 13: 51
    0
    - Eh, I have to continue and give some explanations ...
    The thing is that Ukraine is in Zap. Europe is already tired of everyone ...
    - Both Germany and the entire EU will soon begin to simply "merge" it (they have already begun) and, of course, all "European courts and arbitration" (this "instrument" of Western Europe) will stop "standing up" for Ukraine ... - Ukraine is in a very critical situation ...
    - But this whole "European coalition" (including courts and arbitrations) will begin to show all sorts of "claims" to ... to ... to ... to Russia (Gazprom) ... -And, I assure everyone present .., that in this "field" all the actions of this "coalition" (courts and arbitration to help them) will be quite successful ... -And it will not be difficult for them ... -Gazprom itself has monstrously "screwed up" and continues the same spirit ...
    - Plus to everything .., besides this ... - Gazprom (Russia) will soon add another "headache" ... - this is the "Turkish Stream" ...
    - Gazprom did not have allies before, it had "partners" who were ready to substitute it (and substitute it) at every step ...
    - With the launch of the SP-2 and Turkish Stream, the pressure on Gazprom will increase many times ...
    - Therefore ... Russia needs to immediately try to have at least some kind of "gas ally" ... - This ally can become "Ukraine, abandoned by all" (Ukraine also has a terrible critical situation) .. ...
    - And Russia simply needs to most proactively come forward with a proposal to conclude with Ukraine a long-term agreement on the supply of Russian gas through Ukrainian territory ... -And this must be done as soon as possible ...

    - By the way ... - this is where Zelensky's "suitability" for playing "big politics" will be revealed ...
    1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
      kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 30 November 2019 23: 10
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      Quote: gorenina91
      And Russia simply needs to propose the most initiative conclude a long-term contract with Ukraine about the supply of Russian gas through Ukrainian territory ... -And this must be done as quickly as possible ..

      Judging by your post, you are from the outskirts!
      The contract with the outskirts will be short-term, and pumping will be about 10-15 billion cubic meters. The calculation is made on "streams", serious funds have been invested. For recoupment of the Okrainskaya GTS, min. pumping from 60 billion cubic meters and more, which is what your negotiators require. It's fantastic!!! It will not happen.

      Quote: gorenina91
      Therefore ... Russia must immediately try to have at least some kind of "gas ally" ... - This ally can become "Ukraine, abandoned by all" (Ukraine also has a terrible critical situation) .. ...

      Which outskirts of the ally, we see over the past 20 years. You write elementary stupidity!
      After a year, you can dig out the pipes of the GTS and take it for scrap, while you are still being used, if necessary.
      Under the "noise" and fuss in the West, Russia has built and will launch the "Power of Siberia" in December, there is a project and investors for "SS 2," the prospects for supplies to Mongolia. This market is much more interesting than the Western one, because in a couple of years a gas pipeline from the Israeli Leviathan to South Europe will be built and the competition will intensify. Gazprom has staked out its participation in the supplies, the GTS of the outskirts is not included in the plans.
      What goes around comes around!!!
  7. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
    A.Lex (Secret information) 3 December 2019 12: 33
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    Quote: Ravshan
    Quote: 123
    Firstly, are they able to offer a competitive price or will they simply oblige you to buy?
    And what's the difference, how? It is said that they will buy, and they will buy. How cute.

    What about "FREEDOM" in "MARKET" relations ??? And where "DEMOCRACY" in the selection of suppliers ????
    Or what - the next FALSE of the West?
    However ... these are rhetorical questions ... and so everything is clear to you ... just as it is clear - whose interests are you protecting and lobbying here ....
    1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
      Ravshan (Jamsut) 3 December 2019 17: 41
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      Quote: A.Lex
      But what about "FREEDOM" in "MARKET" relations ??? And where is "DEMOCRACY" in the choice of suppliers ????
      Or what - the next FALSE of the West?

      When it comes to the stall near the subway, it all works.
      When it comes to serious things, and Gazprom’s squeezing of the European gas market, this is a serious question, there is no place for all this garbage. And never will be.

      Quote: A.Lex
      and so everything is clear to you ... just as it is clear-whose interests are you protecting and lobbying here ....

      I protect my interests in life. I also lobby them.