Czech Republic: Konev is a mentally ill person, and Vlasov is the liberator of Prague


Almost 75 years have passed since the end of World War II. Many veterans and eyewitnesses of those terrible events are still alive, tons of scientific works have been written, kilometers of documentary films have been shot. But, despite this, our recent history is being rewritten literally before our eyes.


Such savagery is especially pronounced in the countries of the former socialist camp and the former USSR. This time the Czech Republic excelled. They proposed replacing the monument to Marshal-Liberator Ivan Konev with the traitor General Vlasov. Immediately make a reservation that this initiative did not find support from official Prague. President Milos Zeman said:

“Vlasovites” for many years were traitors to their homeland. I think that their betrayal should not be forgotten.


The head of the republic also complained that the author of the scandalous initiative to replace the monuments, Pavel Novotny, the head of one of the districts of Prague called Rzheporye, does not correspond to his position. Indeed, Novotny is a very odious character. This is a typical representative of the "yellow press", worked as a paparazzi, participated in base entertainment shows. But in 2002, he felt new trends and hit policies. He joined the right-liberal Civil Democratic Party, under whose auspices the headman (head) of the metropolitan area was able to be elected, where he received a lot of powers.

Senior comrades in the Czech liberal movement began to actively use boneless in the language of Novotny. Among them are such difficult people as Pavel Jacek, a Czech parliamentarian, a member of the defense committee, who is also the founder of the Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes, whose name speaks for itself, as well as anti-communist and Russophobe Jaromir Stetina, a member of the European Parliament. What did Pavel Novotny say?

If you believe the head of Rzheporya, our Marshal Ivan Konev was a “mentally ill monster man, an exceptional killer”, “the worst military commander in history” of our country, a “lousy commander and a bitch” who “gave a criminal order to bomb the city of Mlada Boleslav on the day after the end of the war. " In general, the “radish” was our Konev, according to Pavel Novotna. But, in his version of history, Prague was not liberated from the Nazis by the Soviet troops under the command of the Marshal, but by the ROA of General Vlasov.

What can be said about this pseudo-historical nonsense?

Czech liberals repeat the old cliches of anti-Soviet propaganda. Before talking about the “liberation of Prague by the Vlasovites,” it is worth recalling that they were allies and puppets of the German Nazis. In May 1945, everyone understood that the Third Reich had come to an end. When falling into the hands of Soviet troops, the “Vlasovites” did not shine well, their only salvation could consist in surrendering to the Americans.

ROA stood near Prague. The 1st division of the ROA under the command of General Sergey Bunyachenko, in violation of the direct order of the German authorities, left its position and moved towards the American troops. In the Czech capital at the same time, a liberation uprising began. One of its leaders, General Karel Kutlvashr- Bartosh, contacted the ROA commander, Sergei Bunyachenko, and asked for help. An appeal was made on Prague Radio:

Officers and soldiers of the Vlasov army! We believe that you, at the last stage of the struggle against the German invaders, like Russian people and Soviet citizens, support uprising Prague.


“Vlasovites” were able in two days to drive the Germans out of several areas of the city, including the same Rzheporye. But then it went wrong. According to Bunyachenko’s plan, the ROA was to receive allied status from the Czechs so as not to be captured by the Americans as war criminals. But they did not receive any guarantees. Therefore, after two days of fighting, they left Prague and its rebels to be torn to pieces by the Nazis. Let's face it, the story is extremely ugly, and the “Vlasovites,” to put it mildly, are not drawn to the heroes of the liberators. Traitors could not save their skins. Both Bunyachenko and Vlasov himself fell into the hands of the Soviet troops, where they got what they deserved.

As for the “lousiness” of Konev as a commander, it should be remembered that the Red Army took Prague carefully, trying to preserve the ancient city, if possible, without demolishing it to the foundations. Claims about the "crime" of his orders given after the official cessation of the war are ridiculous at all. Unfortunately, as in the old joke - "the war is over, thank you all", in practice it does not work. Even after the surrender of Berlin, many Germans and their allies continued to resist, which had to be suppressed. Regarding the bombing of the Czech Republic, it should be remembered that Soviet troops did not bomb it. But the Americans did not neglect this. For example, on February 14, 1945, their “flying fortresses” killed more than 700 residents of Prague and injured more than 1500.

In general, we are faced with a banal anti-Soviet propaganda, where lies and half-truths are generously mixed. You can make claims to Czech liberals for distorting historical facts, but what else can you expect from liberals in relation to the USSR?

What is even more regrettable is that in all this Russophobia it is easy to trace the “Russian trace”. The fact is that the first "stuffing" about the "liberation of Prague by the Vlasovites" was made by the famous author of "evil tales" about the Soviet Union, Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The word of our “nation’s conscience:

Vlasov ordered his divisions to go over to the side of the rebelled Czechs. And all the insult, bitterness, anger that the bonded Russian breasts have accumulated on the Germans over these cruel and stupid three years, have now been released in an attack on the Germans: from an unexpected direction they were kicked out of Prague. (Did all Czechs figure it out later, [[which]] did the Russians save the city for them? Our history is distorted, and they say that Soviet troops saved Prague, although they could not have time.)


One can be angry at the “evil clown” from the Czech Republic, Pavel Novotny and his senior comrades, but this is in our country the “work” of Solzhenitsyn, like the “Gulag Archipelago”, instead of exposing and putting him into clean water, is now studied in schools.
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  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 29 November 2019 12: 20
    +3
    The most interesting thing is that before the hype in the Russian press and the reaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in the Czech Republic itself, at first no one really noticed Novotny's initiative, I don’t say supported ... But now in the Czech liberal get-together he has become a hero of the day, articles are full of headlines like: "The headman of Prague Rzhepory made Moscow angry!", "Novotny against Putin", etc. Now the topic is being really discussed in the country, and this is precisely thanks to the efforts of the Russian media. Before Russian publications, no one spoke much about Konev's "mental illness" either ... And even more so not the official authorities, as it seems from the title of the article ... With all this, Russia is really working against its own image and interests ... I recently wrote about this here on the site in the article -

    https://topcor.ru/11110-pamjatnik-marshalu-konevu-snosjat-ne-cheshskie-rusofoby-a-rossijskaja-propaganda.html

    By the way, Vlasov personally was initially AGAINST the introduction of the ROA division in Prague and, in general, any participation of the ROA troops in Czech events. The decision on this matter was made independently by the unit commander Bunyachenko. So, as such, the monument to him, historically, doesn’t even make sense ... And the monument to the ROA military personnel who died in Prague has been standing there for a long time, and until recently, again, again, they didn’t really upset anyone and didn’t interest anyone ... including Russian The media and diplomats ... Now they themselves have simply made world-wide advertising ... and the idiot of Novotny, and everything else. Bravo! ... negative
  2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2019 12: 37
    0
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    And even more so, they are not official authorities, as it seems from the heading of the article ... With all of this, Russia really works itself against its own image and interests.

    Immediately make a reservation that this initiative did not find support from official Prague. - Second paragraph plus quote from Zeman.
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 30 November 2019 00: 18
      -3
      Zeman is an old drunk like Yeltsin, sometimes it will give out like Borya drunk. Among the German pilot aces was also V. Novatna (258 downed planes), I wonder who he was by nation, Czech, probably?
      1. tom444 Offline tom444
        tom444 (tom44) 30 November 2019 09: 51
        -2
        Quote: Sake
        Among the German pilot aces was also V. Novatna (258 downed planes), I wonder who he was by nation, Czech, probably?

        German. But with Czech roots.
        This is like the Romanovs. The Germans themselves, but once there, in the distance, there was a real Romanov.
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2019 12: 49
    +1
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    Now they themselves have simply made a global advertisement ... and the idiot of Novotny, and everything else. Bravo! ...

    The article is actually not about Novotny at all, if you do not understand ...
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 29 November 2019 14: 06
      0
      I get it, Sergey. And this is not a criticism of your specific article. This is generally a thought on the topic. Moreover, I fully understand why you are writing this and about what. This is still more or less neutral with you. A completely different question is what all this leads to in the same Czech Republic, what thoughts are filtered out from all this, transmitted further, etc. And what does it all ultimately lead to. If more recently I would not have thought about the possibility of establishing a monument to Vlasov in Prague, now it is being drawn as a very real prospect. And not because the Czechs need him, but precisely because of the reaction to this in Moscow ... And this is all from the same series as the Olympics, Squeaks, Magnitsky, interference in the elections, etc. etc.
      I have already said many times, including here: it is a huge mistake to assume that all this, this is exclusively for "domestic use". Certain thematic lines are tracked in all media outlets outside the Russian Federation, and what is, as it were, "for the domestic consumer" foreigners are most interested in. And then they "beat" exactly there, purposefully ...
      And with the ever-increasing professionalism of our media, I am sincerely sorry that after all the people who work in them do not understand much ...
      PS about Novotny was not only with you, but almost everywhere, including federal television channels ... unfortunately, again ...
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 29 November 2019 14: 24
    +1
    I already wrote that all this Russophobia comes with the consent of Putin and the Foreign Ministry. And if this is not so, then why are no sanctions imposed against Russophobes, the destruction of our monuments and graves, the prohibition of the Russian language? Even against an individual, but at the state level, Putin is shaking hands with everyone. I DO NOT BELIEVE that the state of RUSSIA is unable to force respect for our heroes who gave their lives for this "blueness."
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 29 November 2019 16: 08
      +1
      ...Not certainly in that way. Naturally, neither Putin, nor the Foreign Ministry, nor the media agree with this. But by their reactions they themselves often give all this development. The fact that they trumpet all this everywhere and everywhere makes it clear that we are very concerned about it. But the fact that no one is punished for this and as a result is never punished, they only push THEM to make Russia and the Russians "more painful" ...
      Or if they were silent then, in a rag, if they really can’t do anything about it, and didn’t do all this nonsense even advertising ... Or, if they yell everywhere, then yes, they would have taken and introduced the same Czech Republic at least some sanctions Something ... And as soon as someone somewhere there really would have received financial damage from all that was happening, the Czechs themselves would have mixed that Novotny with shit ... And the rest would have wondered whether it would be worthwhile to climb into it all. .. Russia is a huge powerful country, is there really no way to click on the same tiny Czech Republic? Yes, of course there is! Just want to. And they themselves, if that, then will deal with everything on the spot - these are not American sanctions, which they are forced to endure under pressure ...
    2. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 30 November 2019 00: 31
      0
      Banning the use of the Russian language in Russia or where? As far as I "understand medicine", each nation has its own language and each country has its own state language! The laws of these states do not provide for the circulation of another language, no matter how much Moscow or the local experts in linguistics want it!
      Regarding respect and admiration for Soviet idols, this is also from which side you look. If the "liberated" peoples really have warm feelings for this or that country or people, then everything will be fine with the monuments, and if there are no such feelings or did not exist, then "take your greatcoat, go home" so as not to complicate the situation or release it again Czech Republic from the Czechs and restore monuments and street names.
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 10: 44
        +3
        Each country has its own state language! The laws of these states do not provide for the introduction of another language, no matter how much this is desired in Moscow or by local experts in linguistics!

        - in truly democratic states, in the presence of several large ethnic groups, and several state languages ​​- Switzerland -4, Finland-2, except for the state. languages, there is also the concept of "language of official communication", which, while not being a state language, is applied to communication in all state bodies, in the media, schools, etc. - as, for example, in the Czech Republic the Slovak language or Spanish in the USA, in South Africa there are about 50 such languages ​​in general ... There are also regional languages ​​that are used at the state level in certain regions - German in Northern Italy, the province of South Tyrol, Hungarian in the south Slovakia, Scottish, Catalan or Flemish in Britain, Spain or Belgium, respectively, as well as minority languages ​​in hotel regions of the Russian Federation, including Crimea, where there are 3. This is for information and broadening your horizons on the topic of languages, and on what basis who and which requires.
        You do not understand either languages ​​or medicine, which has nothing in common with languages. And the monuments are, unfortunately, no longer about the warm feelings of the people, but about the policy of the state at a certain point in time. A vivid example - Ukraine, and the same Russia - in our history the monuments were broken and put up again and again, their own, Russian ... and nothing to do with the warm attitude of the people, no one really asked ...
    3. tom444 Offline tom444
      tom444 (tom44) 30 November 2019 09: 54
      -2
      Quote: steel maker
      ... then why are there no sanctions imposed against Russophobes, the destruction of our monuments and graves, the prohibition of the Russian language?

      1. First of all, not Russophobia, but anti-Soviet.
      2. In order to impose sanctions, one must have the right and the ability to do so.

      Quote: steel maker
      I DO NOT BELIEVE

      Your beliefs are of little interest to anyone.
      By the way, in Krakow, a monument to Konev, at the request of the Poles, was dismantled back in Soviet times by Soviet engineering units. And sent somewhere to the USSR.
  5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 November 2019 17: 44
    +3
    Well, what else can we expect from the Czechs who gear Hitler as they could ... For me, this country cannot be called the country of the anti-Hitler coalition at all ... The Czech Republic did not show any resistance to Hitler, but it supplied the Wehrmacht with tanks, self-propelled guns, military trucks .. .
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 29 November 2019 18: 48
      +1
      And what, someone calls the Czech Republic the country of the anti-Hitler coalition ??? She was generally the OFFICIAL PART of the Third Reich from 1938/9 to 1945. Even not occupied territory, namely, part of the state. How could she be simultaneously in the anti-Hitler coalition? This nonsense is just ...
      1. tom444 Offline tom444
        tom444 (tom44) 30 November 2019 10: 02
        -1
        Quote: Pyshenkov
        And what, someone calls the Czech Republic the country of the anti-Hitler coalition ??? She was generally the OFFICIAL PART of the Third Reich from 1938/9 to 1945.

        Learn the story. The Third Reich included only the Sudetenland. The Czech Republic was not part of the Third Reich.

        Quote: Pyshenkov
        Not even occupied territory, namely, part of the state.

        What about the protectorate of Bohemia?
        By the way, protectorate, it was optimal for the Czechs at that time. They, as non-citizens of the Reich, were NOT called to the Wehrmacht.
        In addition, they were not drafted into the national army, like the citizens of Slovakia who fought on the Eastern Front too.
        All this saved the Czechs many lives.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 November 2019 16: 42
          +2
          Learn the story.

          In order not to write nonsense. Since 1938, the so-called Sudetenland were part of GERMANY, the federal state of Sudetenland, some parts were originally part of other federal states. The protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia since 1939 was part of the THIRD REICH as internal autonomy. Without any occupation and BEFORE the start of World War II. Citizens of the Reich were protectorate citizens automatically, they received German citizenship at will. Who received, for the sake of a career, etc., then paid with military duty, who did not - no. Slovakia has been a separate state since 1939, and there is nothing to drag it here ...
          1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 16: 53
            -4
            Quote: Pyshenkov
            The protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia since 1939 was part of the THIRD REICH as internal autonomy.

            The protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, as the name implies, was a PROTECTOR. And he was not part of the Reich.
            Accordingly, the inhabitants of the protectorate were not Reich citizens. And they were not called to the Wehrmacht.
            Why are you arguing with obvious things?
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 00: 02
              +2
              Here is a comrade to you (Volume 44), apparently looked at the materiel, and did not argue further ... correctly. If you are really interested in the topic of Prague, the uprising of the same Protectorate - below is a link to a book. In the end, in the application documents, among other things, there is also a manifesto on the formation of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia signed by Hitler, with a translation into Russian. You can familiarize yourself - it says very well there what the Protectorate is, who it is and who it is part of.
              I don’t know where this document can still be seen in Russian, but there are definitely links below.

              https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/142009732/

              https://eksmo.ru/book/posledniy-boy-kto-osvobodil-pragu-ITD872980/
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 2 December 2019 06: 30
                +2
                This is the same, he used to be guns, then he became tom44, then tom444, and now he is Ravshan ...
                Well, almost a Phoenix bird. bully
                1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 09: 11
                  +1
                  Interestingly noticed. Strange, why such metamorphoses ??? Split personality? Or ... triple, etc.?
                  1. plabu Offline plabu
                    plabu 2 December 2019 09: 16
                    0
                    Everything is simpler - the previous "versions" are either banned, or the rating is almost zero, if not worse, although I do not exclude this kind of joke), alas, there is no exact answer ...
                    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 12: 45
                      +3
                      Maybe... wink You calculated it by the form of statements?
                      By the way, on the subject of Prague: all this uprising and what happened in Prague in early May, by coincidence, it turned out that none of the parties involved in the end turned out to be politically advantageous to truthfully voice how it was then there really was. Therefore, there are so many different versions. For the Czechs themselves, the latter was such that they themselves "liberated" themselves there. And now, as if from their own "new" own revelations, it turns out again that their asses, it turns out, were saved by the Russians. Good or bad, conventionally "red" or conventionally "white", but still and again Russians ...
                      I am sure that if our propaganda and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs put the question in this way, the topic would immediately resolve itself. And so, seeing the reaction, all this is just done in spite. Vlasov himself, by the way, forbade the 1st division of the ROA to go to Prague, she was there against his will and by decision of the unit commander - Bunyachenko. So the monument to Vlasov, even from any historical angle, is stupid. But I already wrote it here ...
                      1. plabu Offline plabu
                        plabu 2 December 2019 13: 14
                        +1
                        Basically, I agree with you, but when I was interested in this, I came across that Solzhenitsyn stuck it into his "Archipelago", but after a while he calmed down a little - they did not include this in the school version, this was Solzhenitsyn's wife wrote, met somewhere , well, at least that pleases ...
                        And about that revivalist)) - somehow it turned out that I came across his comment, and there about the same nonsense - something first about the slave system, then another comment about it - and again a coincidence - about Russians, Soviet citizens etc.
                      2. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                        Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 13: 38
                        -4
                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Vlasov himself, by the way, forbade the 1st division of the ROA to go to Prague, she was there against his will and by decision of the unit commander - Bunyachenko. So the monument to Vlasov, even from any historical angle, is stupid.

                        Do you propose to erect a monument to Bunyachenko?
                      3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 13: 45
                        +3
                        The monument to the Vlasovites in Prague has already stood for a long time. Vlasov was "raised on the flag" now solely with the aim of annoying the Russian Federation, knowing the attitude towards this character. Even if someone had been honored to erect a monument to Bunyachenko, such a resonance would simply not have happened - the scale of the figure is not the same, as is the fame. And why did he want a monument to him - did he want to wait for the Americans in Prague? And when he realized that they were not going there, he left ... for this? And to the people who actually died saving the same Czechs and thinking that they were there for this, there is already a monument ...
                        But Konev does not need to demolish the monument - in reality, the Germans fled from his troops, and not from the Vlasovites or some completely disorganized rebels. They just fled so quickly that by the time the Red Army arrived there were almost no more of them in Prague ...
                        And most importantly - from all German documents it follows that they did not intend to defend Prague initially, they were delayed in the city by this uprising itself, the Vlasovites, etc.
                      4. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                        Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 14: 24
                        -4
                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        ... annoy the Russian Federation, knowing the attitude to this character.

                        Yes, in Russia there are few Russians, but many Soviet citizens.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        And to people who really died, saving the same Czechs and thinking that they were there just for this, a monument already exists ...

                        Who are they?
  • tom444 Offline tom444
    tom444 (tom44) 30 November 2019 09: 58
    -4
    Quote: Sapsan136
    Well, what else to expect from the Czechs, who gear Hitler, as they could ...

    So what? Everyone in the world is gearing for someone.
    Did the compatriots who gear on the Bolsheviks live better than the Czechs, who supposedly gear on the Germans?

    Quote: Sapsan136
    Czech Republic showed no resistance to Hitler

    The Czech Republic did not have such an opportunity. Therefore, it did not.
    1. Valeriy Offline Valeriy
      Valeriy 30 November 2019 23: 13
      +2
      Quote: tom444
      The Czech Republic did not have such an opportunity. Therefore, it did not.

      To resist the aggressor, you need not opportunity, but determination. The inhabitants of the besieged Leningrad with opportunities were very bad - but there was enough determination and courage.
      1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
        Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 23: 26
        -5
        Quote: Valeriy
        To resist the aggressor, you need not opportunity, but determination.

        Need an opportunity. Decision is enough only for suicides.

        Quote: Valeriy
        The inhabitants of the besieged Leningrad with opportunities were very bad - but there was enough determination and courage.

        The inhabitants of Leningrad (its blockade, this is one of the Soviet tales) no one asked what they want.
        No one asked about this and the soldiers at the front. And in order not to think too much about this topic, rear detachments were set up. Having promised to repress the relatives of those who will run forward to the Germans.
        And everyone knew - the threats of the Bolsheviks, this is not an empty phrase.
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 2 December 2019 06: 35
          +2
          It has long been clear that you are one of those who believe that "Leningrad did not need to be defended", and "if the Germans won, then now they would drink Bavarian beer" and the like, am so it’s NOT for you to write about suicides, defenders of Leningrad and the difference in determination and opportunity ...
          1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 09: 28
            -2
            Quote: 321
            It has long been clear that you are one of those who believe that "Leningrad did not need to be defended," and "if the Germans won, then now they would be drinking Bavarian beer" and the like.

            Only a mentally unhealthy person can arrange a war for his country in which it will lose 20% (1/5) of its pre-war population.
            Only a mentally unhealthy person can subsequently be proud of such a managerial decision, regardless of its final result.
            The sect members of the witnesses of socialism are simply mentally unhealthy. And that explains a lot in their behavior.
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 2 December 2019 09: 40
              0
              I wrote to you before, only under a different name then you were, bully - your versions of an alternative history are not interesting to me, and your "knowledge", even in it, at least in other areas, leaves much to be desired - so your opinion does not interest me at all ... tongue
    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 09: 14
      +2
      The Czech Republic had the opportunity, and it’s definitely bigger and more significant than the same Holland or Belgium, which at least a couple of days, but resisted ... And they even had chances of success, with one of the most modern armies in Europe then, Hitler recognized ... Especially if they were helped by those who, according to all agreements, should have ... But the Czechs were simply forbidden to resist, at the international legislative level, so to speak ... in Munich ...
  • Roarv Offline Roarv
    Roarv (Robert) 30 November 2019 09: 17
    0
    In general, all the traitors, thanks to our liberals, became saints and liberators, well, and after the Crimea, the Anglo-Saxons play the form of poisoning their vassals with Russia, thanks to a bunch of worm politicians, to constantly heat up the topic of confrontation.
  • arkasha2805 Offline arkasha2805
    arkasha2805 (Sergei) 30 November 2019 12: 14
    0
    History repeats itself. Czech citizens, remember, Russian will never come again!
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 30 November 2019 12: 28
      +1
      Another wording will probably be more true - after such an attitude towards those who died at that time for the liberation of those countries and received such a reaction - so why now, if you have to, of course, there is still hope that you don’t have to - the main idea is to protect your people. How? From afar, using only TECHNOLOGY, saving the lives of our soldiers - ... the idea is clear?
      1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
        Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 13: 15
        -6
        Quote: 321
        to those who died at that time for the liberation of those countries

        And who died for the liberation of the Czech Republic?
        The liberation of the Czech Republic took place in 1989. And in 1945 there was a showdown between the Germans and Soviet citizens for the possession of this colony.
        Defeated the USSR. He also planted his own order there, placing his puppets in the leadership of the "independent country".
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 30 November 2019 13: 23
          -1
          Your hypotheses, as well as the previous ones - from guns, tomm44 and so on, are NOT interesting to me, an alternative story does not interest me))
        2. arkasha2805 Offline arkasha2805
          arkasha2805 (Sergei) 30 November 2019 17: 00
          0
          It’s not for you to talk about the victories of the Russians, not for you ((((rejoice that while the Russian Federation gives you money to earn a piece of bread and not rest in your villages, but it still gives!
          1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 17: 26
            -6
            Quote: arkasha2805
            Do not you talk about Russian victories

            Yes, here's for you to remember, the Russians almost never fought in WW2. And those that fought, fought not where it seems to you. And what certainly did not happen was the "Russian victories". WW2 ended badly for the Russians too.
            I remind you like a Russian.
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 30 November 2019 18: 29
              -1
              Who you consider yourself to be, Does not interest anyone, the main thing is whether you are him or not, and so you are NOT.
              1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 09: 52
                -4
                Quote: 321
                so here you are - NOT.

                Estimates of Soviet citizens on this subject do not interest me at all.
                They have their own world, parallel and virtual.
                This virtual of them is not interesting to me, normal people do not go there.
                The only bad thing is that Soviet citizens too often climb out of the virtual into the real world.
                Everywhere, giving his advice and teaching people how to live properly.
                At the same time, apart from the trousers worn on the butt, such “teachers”, as a rule, have nothing behind their hearts.
                They are beggars.
                But they know best how to live correctly.
                1. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 2 December 2019 10: 00
                  +2
                  And to me your very subjective opinion is completely up to the door, but no matter how hard you try to "hurt" someone here, it doesn't work for you, and your attempts at vanging - about beggars and other crap in your performance are not at all impressive)
                  And about the fact that your world - supposedly real - was deceived. hi
        3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 09: 21
          +2
          ... and in 89 the Czech Republic was freed from whom? This year she was still generally Czechoslovakia, and was not freed from anyone, the regime changed in her, again thanks to the fact that the USSR allowed them, in fact, to allow it ... Though your knowledge, the so-called ... is visible
          And the Czech Republic itself "liberated" from Slovakia in 1991, like Russia from the entire Union ... such a gloomy "liberation" ...
          1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
            Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 10: 09
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            Quote: Pyshenkov
            ... and in 89 the Czech Republic was freed from whom?

            A strange question. From the USSR, of course.

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            again, thanks to the fact that the USSR allowed them to do so, in fact ...

            And having written this, you ask, from whom the Czech Republic freed itself?

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            And the Czech Republic itself "freed" from Slovakia in 1991

            And what did the Czech Republic have to Slovakia?
            By joining the Czech Republic, Slovakia was punished for its participation in WW2 on the Axis side.
            As soon as Czechoslovakia gained independence, it immediately divided into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It could not be otherwise. These are different NATIONS.
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 10: 58
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              And what did the Czech Republic have to Slovakia?
              By joining the Czech Republic, Slovakia was punished for its participation in WW2 on the Axis side.

              - you are apparently the only one in the world who knows this terrible secret. laughing Moreover, they attached it there BEFORE the Second World War, apparently, all the guilt was calculated in advance. laughing
              Based on this, it is strange why, then, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Italy, and Japan and Germany together were not added to the Czech Republic (for the same sins)?
              1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 12: 07
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                Quote: Pyshenkov
                Moreover, they attached it there BEFORE the Second World War, apparently, all the guilt was calculated in advance.

                And where do such Mitrofanushki come from?
                This one, for example, does not know that in the years of WWII Slovakia was an independent state and fought on the side of the Axis countries.
                What the hell does he need to know?
                The cabmen will take it anyway.
                1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 12: 16
                  +2
                  And BEFORE WWII, Slovakia was then attached to the Czech Republic FOR WHAT SINS? Or maybe the Czech Republic to Slovakia? Slovakia was independent from 2 to 1939, at the same time when the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, which was part of the German Empire, became from the Czech Republic without the Sudetenland. From 1945 to 1918 there was CZECHOSLOVAKIA! Because after the collapse of Austria-Hungary, the Czechs and Slovaks decided for some reason that they were one nation ...
                  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 12: 18
                    +2
                    PS ... read the book by reference, maybe then you will realize that it is on this topic that I know the equipment much better than you.
                    1. plabu Offline plabu
                      plabu 2 December 2019 12: 22
                      +1
                      This has two opinions - his and wrong. bully
                  2. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                    Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 13: 25
                    -4
                    Quote: Pyshenkov
                    Because after the collapse of Austria-Hungary, the Czechs and Slovaks decided for some reason that they were one nation ...

                    Yeah. And in 1920, Ukrainians, Georgians and Kyrgyz, too, it turns out, decided that they are one people.
                    And in 1939-40. the Balts, Moldavians and Rusyns (Galicians) came to the same opinion.
                    You write all nonsense.
                    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 13: 56
                      +2
                      Well, maybe enlighten then how Czechoslovakia was formed? The Czechs occupied the Slovaks or vice versa?
                      Although I doubt it, if you do not even know who the Rusyns are, and who the Galicians are different nations, and even lived in different territories. Or is Galicia and Transcarpathia the same? laughing

                      You write all nonsense.
                      1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                        Ravshan (Jamsut) 2 December 2019 14: 21
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                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        The Czechs occupied the Slovaks or vice versa?

                        This is a question for your quick wits.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Although I doubt it, if you do not even know who the Rusyns are, and who the Galicians are different nations, and even lived in different territories. Or is Galicia and Transcarpathia the same?

                        Lord, how uneducated you are! You don't even know that Galicians do not exist in nature. But in fact this people are called "Rusyns".
                        Also, you do not know that there are "Transcarpathian Rusyns". Who live in Transcarpathia, and not in Galicia.
                        Precisely in order not to confuse the Rusyns with the Transcarpathian Rusyns, the Rusyns are called Galicians.
                      2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 14: 25
                        +3
                        Lord, how uneducated you are!

                        - how to play chess with pigeons? - They don’t know the rules, they’ll fly in, they will throw the pieces and shit on the board ...
                        You will have to change your nickname again soon, with such gems no one will take you seriously. I "wash my hands" ... communication with you is like chess with pigeons ...
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                      4. plabu Offline plabu
                        plabu 2 December 2019 15: 02
                        0
                        Without mistakes, first learn to write comments, they have already been highlighted - and after that whoever wrote about the "uneducated" here. hi
  • bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 30 November 2019 13: 28
    +4
    Vona choooo! Perhaps Konev therefore beat the tail and mane of the Nazis, along with the Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians, because he was not in himself. And Vlasov, from a great mind, hung dangling from a rope.
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  • Jar.serge Offline Jar.serge
    Jar.serge (Reznik) 5 December 2019 13: 10
    0
    And what, did the Czechs live badly under Hitler? Wehrmacht armed themselves, received money like the German workers, and even sent volunteers to fight with the Russians.