Bridge across the Lena: a new “construction of the century” starts in Russia

November 25, 2019 54

Russia is embarking on the construction of another super complex engineering structure. On the eve of "Rosavtodor" approved the design of a bridge across the Lena River in Yakutia, which is planned to be built by 2025. The cost of creating a future crossing will cost 80 billion rubles.

It is worth noting that the bridge over the Lena has been "waiting" for several decades. The need for its construction was discussed back in the 80s, but to this day have not decided to start.

The thing is that the Lena River has a very wide and complex channel. In addition, a rapidly moving ice mass literally “sweeps” all obstacles. As a result, extremely complex requirements are imposed on the design of the future “giant”.

Our country was ready to start an ambitious project back in 2014. However, then the priority was given to the Crimean bridge. However, this is for the better. Since we have gained good experience in its construction.

The bridge across the Lena will allow connecting the two shores of Yakutia, the largest region in Russia in terms of area. Now, for 7 months of the year, crossing is carried out directly on ice and ferries. The rest of the time aviation is used. At the same time, the construction is worth considering in conjunction with other infrastructural transformations in Yakutia, which are already underway.

This summer, the first train to the Nizhny Bestyakh station began to run in the region. However, the railroad tracks, again, actually “ran into” the river. In addition, the construction of a cargo terminal consonant with the station has recently begun, which will allow transshipment of cargo to ships and delivery to the Arctic. And finally, in the village of Zhatay, the construction of a shipyard started, which by 2036 will be able to provide the country with 130 units of new river vessels.

The above measures, together with the bridge over the Lena River, will allow the creation of a transport and logistics hub in Yakutsk, combining 3 federal routes, as well as 3 regional roads. In turn, this will contribute to an increase in cargo transportation by 3 times and will lead to an increase in local economics.

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steelmaker

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25 November 2019 20: 19

This is to be welcomed. 18 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, but we cannot equip all of Russia. "Fish for fishlessness and cancer!" If the country were restored at such a pace after the Second World War, then, probably, they still lived in dugouts. I’m wondering, what kind of shipyard is it that needs to be built for 16 years? The Chinese probably laughed ALREADY!
1. 123
  
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  25 November 2019 23: 20
  
  This should only be welcome. 18 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, but we cannot equip all of Russia. If the country was restored at such a pace after the Second World War, then probably they still lived in dugouts.
  
  For 40 years after the war, the USSR was not able to build a road to the Far East. In the north, only oil was pumped, winter roads were around, ice crossings, all roadsides were black, and they were filled with oil. Now roads, bridges have been built, you can’t find an oil spot. Here recently about the flooded Venice they ached, in St. Petersburg a dam was built and no floods. Over 200 bridges under Putin were built and reconstructed.
  
  There, under the YouTube video, in the description there are still references of 9 parts that were built.
  
  I’m wondering, what kind of shipyard is it that needs to be built for 16 years? The Chinese probably laughed ALREADY!
  
  In 16 years 130 ships should be built. Reduce the viewing speed if you do not have time to understand the meaning.
  1. fevralsk.morev.75
    
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    26 November 2019 01: 34
    
    And how many enterprises, schools and hospitals were closed under Putin, can you not send a link to the video? And how much was stolen (Serdyukov, the Olympics, the spaceport, etc.)? Seen billions from colonels seen? The bridge is only GOING to build. And you already, You Know To Yourself, are pushing eulogies in ecstasy. I would write directly, but they blocked him 9 times for insulting the president.
    1. Fourth Horseman
      
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      26 November 2019 06: 35
      
      Emo communism or mamkin revolutionary?
    2. 123
      
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      26 November 2019 08: 58
      
      And how many enterprises, schools and hospitals were closed under Putin, can you not send a link to the video? And how many were stolen (Serdyukov, the Olympics, the spaceport, etc.)? Seen billions from colonels seen?
      
      Just count and leave a reference, you are sure that everything was closed and destroyed. So confirm your point of view. At the same time, compare how many were closed under Yeltsin, under Gorbachev, you can under Brezhnev and the "Kremlin elders" (Chernenko, Andropov and whoever managed to stand at the helm before death), how many were built under them and how many were destroyed, how many "unpromising" villages disappeared from the map together with schools. At the same time, compare how much was stolen with them, you can start with Rashidov from the "Cotton Business", tell us about the glorious Minister Churbanov, count and compare. You are sure that they steal only under Putin. Be so kind as to support your point of view with accurate data, comparisons and real facts.
      
      The bridge is only GOING to build. And you already, You Know To Yourself, are pushing eulogies in ecstasy.
      
      Are you one of those who believe that the Crimean bridge is drawn? Now will you tell me that they will not build a bridge in Yakutia? I am not accustomed to push eulogies somehow. Used to trust real data and comparisons. Believe your eyes. I personally use the two bridges from the video and I remember how it was without them. I bring the real facts, and you just whine.
      
      I would write directly when they blocked him 9 times for insulting the president.
      
      Yeah, nine times - this is serious I see you are a straightforward, malicious fighter against the regime. Do you consider yourself a dissident?
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        
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        26 November 2019 21: 15
        
        No, he saves on an iPhone. To rise above the cattle.
BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine

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25 November 2019 23: 46

It will be useful to the Yakuts when they roll off to America, how they sleep and see!
gorenina91

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26 November 2019 04: 05

- This is soooo !!!!!
- With the Vostochny cosmodrome so far ... "no ..., no me .., no crow" ... - some kind of "Bermuda cosmodrome triangle" ... where tens of billions of rubles disappear without a trace (and most likely , there has already "disappeared" more than one trillion) ... -And will this "eastern cosmodrome" ever take place ...
- Here in Omsk there is such an "object" ... - this is the airport in Fedorovka .., which is being built already ... - more than thirty (30) years !!! -Many were not yet born when they began to build it ... -and "things are still there" ...- in the same place ...
- Here ... it looks like the Omsk airport in Fedorovka has a serious "competitor" ... - this is the Vostochny cosmodrome ...
- And then something "new" has arrived ... -the bridge across the Lena River ... -great "hello" to Russian money ... -Chubais is probably already nervously smoking ...
- Yes, and:

And finally, in the village of Zhatay, the construction of a shipyard started, which by 2036 will be able to provide the country with 130 units of new river vessels.

- Strange ... - just recently there was a "theme" that the Lena River had grown shallower ... - It's already today ...
- And what will happen by 2036 ... - what kind of "shipping" will be possible there ... - even for "130 units of new river vessels" ... provide at least coastal navigation for ships ...
- And for the citizens of Russia, whose houses are flooded and destroyed ... and for the victims of the fire, who burned down their housing ...- what ...- for them, new housing already exists ?????
“Or will they live under this bridge that they will once build ????” -Well, let them wait then ...
1. Fourth Horseman
  
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  26 November 2019 06: 32
  
  So you are also an expert on bridges ??? !!!
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Roarv

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26 November 2019 09: 00

Those who did not go in the fall, winter, spring from one coast to another coast, do not understand .... One - you will drive for the first time (for many people perspiration immediately appears)
by car, preferably by truck, and the realization of the planned project to build a bridge across the Lena comes.
This construction of the bridge is extremely complicated in execution, the work of all sectors of the country to build bridge structures at temperature differences of +40 - 57, something that he himself experienced.
God forbid to carry out the plan on time and without any adventures !!!
Sergey Latyshev

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26 November 2019 09: 40

It's not about bridges, but about money.
Does a bridge really have to cost a billion dollars, even before the start?

And Yeltsin began to build bridges and roads ...
1. Vladimir Kuznetsov_3
  
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  26 November 2019 12: 58
  
  It was once said on TV that in Russia, the construction of 1 km of a road is twice as expensive as in Germany, well, about the quality, I think, and so it is clear.
2. 123
  
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  26 November 2019 16: 21
  
  It's not about bridges, but about money. Does a bridge really have to cost a billion dollars, even before the start?
  
  And you can calculate the costs or it just seems that expensive? Who built in such conditions? Is there anything to compare? Do not forget that the region is remote, logistics is complicated. Generally, why are you always so moody? Watch the video and be happy for the people, how they build bridges there, what they mean for people and how they are happy for them. At 8 minutes, pay attention to the cost of parts, and the bridge is much smaller and automobile, with less load.
  
  There is a video on the channel about ferries and the opening of the bridge. I recommend viewing unfamiliar with living conditions in the North.
  And about
  
  And Yeltsin began to build bridges and roads ...
  
  Maybe he started, just did not build anything.
  1. Sergey Latyshev
    
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    26 November 2019 20: 42
    
    Thanks. Watch the video.
    There must be Guests on Bridges. And it’s precisely according to them that it should be clear - The bridge for a bucks billiard is the norm or not.
    
    As for Boris, he somehow came across a list of new bridges of the Russian Federation.
    Somewhere in a third he was still starting to build. Although its term is only 9 years, the collapse, and the price of oil is one third of the current.
    
    So bridges are not an indicator. The indicator is quality and price.
    1. 123
      
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      26 November 2019 22: 07
      
      There must be Guests on Bridges. And it’s precisely according to them that it should be clear - The bridge for a bucks billiard is the norm or not.
      
      Guests are https://standartgost.ru/0/1381-sooruzhenie_mostov only they can not determine the price. There is a business case, estimates, etc. The exact cost will be difficult to calculate, and all sorts of unforeseen cases. In the video there, look, the river is shallow and the barges stupidly stood for a year.
      
      As for Boris, he somehow came across a list of new bridges of the Russian Federation.
      Somewhere in a third he was still starting to build. Although its term is only 9 years, the collapse, and the price of oil is one third of the current.
      
      It seems as if poor Boris did not understand where the collapse fell from. Who else but he ruined the country?
      
      The prices, of course, yes, but it's not just about them, he handed everything out to foreigners, with him BP appeared, Halliburton and other riffraffs, Americans and Canadians. "African American" driving a Ford in Siberia was a sight to behold And the money flowed past the state treasury, for example, BP was in Nizhnevartovsk and Surgutneftegas remained in Surgut, the difference in salaries became immediately obvious and the possibilities for city budgets were not comparable, and the cities were about the same, Surgut was bigger. So we swam, we know. Putin began to restore order in the oil industry. Remember how he pressed Sakhalin?
      1. plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 06: 43
        
        You started to direct, you say, and how many more years is needed to put things in order? And the question is - why such a phenomenon as "service contracts" is practically NOT used, unlike other countries with oil reserves?
        
        123
        
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        27 November 2019 12: 41
        
        Started to restore, say, and how many more years is needed to restore order?
        
        No idea. Notice I wrote "started", not point. I'm not saying that everything is perfect, but the difference with the 90s is obvious to me. And for you?
        
        And there is a question - why such a phenomenon as "service contracts" is practically NOT used, in contrast to other countries with oil reserves?
        
        I think the answer is obvious, this is not beneficial for large oil companies, they are not interested in this, if I am not mistaken, this issue is not normally regulated at the legislative level either. And they will do their best to keep it that way.
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 14: 09
        
        And then the question arises - why the guarantor? First of all, is it not his duty to uphold the interests of the state?
        
        123
        
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        27 November 2019 14: 30
        
        And then the question arises - why the guarantor? Is it not his duty first and foremost - to defend the interests of the state first of all?
        
        The question is logical, but firstly, he is the guarantor, and not God, to expect that everything will be perfect, in my opinion, naive. Secondly, there may be reasons for which we are not aware. You think that he can not cope? I'm not saying that it is perfect, but I do not see an equivalent replacement on the horizon. Who is this wonderful person who will build everything for us, will raise pensions to heaven, will eradicate corruption and monopoly? And preferably all at once.
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 15: 02
        
        And that is why we have been going to the heights for almost twenty years, BUT now we are going down, rather - into the abyss - and this is only the beginning, the results of the pension reform have not come up, or will come later ...
        And you continue to write who, if not ..., there is nobody else ..., and further down the list - I was very calm about the elections, but at 21 I’ll drop everything and go campaign, guess who it is against? Enough to feed these parasites, they themselves regularly raise their salaries, do not forget about themselves ...
      2. Sergey Latyshev
        
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        27 November 2019 09: 02
        
        This is yes.
        But the bridges too .. So, happiness is not in the bridges.
        If Boris started them, with Oil at 20 bucks and the collapse, then the Great GDP with oil is 50-100 bucks, without collapse, and over 20 years .......
        
        It’s good that the oil industry has been squeezed out. Although there is only the tip for the crowd, after all, Sakhalin 2 was already 12 years old, oil has been going for 7 years, and 50% of the shares remained with them. + 7 billion bucks also them.
        
        123
        
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        27 November 2019 13: 05
        
        If Boris started them, with Oil at 20 bucks and the collapse, then the Great GDP with oil is 50-100 bucks, without collapse, and over 20 years .......
        
        Boris started in the USSR, then he and his comrades ruined, I repeat, the collapse for him is not an excuse, but an accusation. As for the oil price, firstly, look at the graph from above, not all years oil is from 50 and above, and secondly, the "Darkest" had a hand in price regulation, with OPEC, in close contact, he tries to maintain prices at an acceptable level, and Boris deigned to eat vodka and dance the Kalinka in front of his friend Bill. I suppose that he did not even think that it was possible to influence prices.
        
        It’s good that the oil industry has been squeezed out. Although there is only the tip for the crowd, after all, Sakhalin 2 was already 12 years old, oil has been going for 7 years, and 50% of the shares were left to them + 7 billion bucks also to them.
        
        I agree, 7 billion is a pity, but something is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. They not only receive profit, they are also a market. If they are completely pressed, they will run away and will buy in another place. There will always be those who want to sell them oil instead of us. Something like that, Indians are lured with gas, they will participate in production, therefore, they will buy from their company in part, even if they deliver it further. This scheme also has its disadvantages, some of the profit remains with them, and in the Far East their workers will soon appear (I think so) and they will start to scare them, like the Chinese.
        
        Sergey Latyshev
        
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        27 November 2019 13: 28
        
        In general, a little off topic, but about all right, thanks.
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 15: 19
        
        Oilman squeezed, say? (Alas, I’ll disappoint you a little - but rather read at your leisure the Arguments of the week, No. 45, there is exactly the same article on the central page, and the next issue also writes on the oil industry ...
        
        Sergey Latyshev
        
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        27 November 2019 21: 32
        
        So, did not wring it? Alas....
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 21: 51
        
        All the buns from the oil industry are bursting by our and not only oil kings, and oh, they burst like a sickly one, unfortunately for the state and for other citizens ...
steelmaker

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26 November 2019 11: 54

I have a counter question to FANS of Putin. If so much is being built, why is the country's GDP 1%? Where's the money? Or do you want to say that only losses from these construction projects? Then why give an example? And if everything is as good as YOU paint, why is the country's demography only falling, except for the Caucasian republics? In general - "Where is the money, ZIN?"
1. g1washntwn
  
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  26 November 2019 12: 42
  
  Quote: steel maker
  Where's the money? ... why the country's demographics are only falling ...
  
  And why are you asking fans and readers questions and not directly? Troll thickly.
  Demographics are falling because children are getting more expensive in the store, even government discounts do not really help. And education in the spirit of consumerism does not contribute. Having children today is not a trend, unlike the next zombie device.
  1. plabu
    
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    27 November 2019 06: 47
    
    And these trends, speaking your language, who disseminates and promotes? And another question - why? Who brings up something - from every iron rushes - buy, buy, well, in other words, but the meaning is that ...
2. Hayer31
  
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  26 November 2019 12: 56
  
  And Rotenberg’s money, didn’t you know? If construction, money goes to Rotenberg, if Gas - Miller, Oil-Sechin, etc.
3. 123
  
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  26 November 2019 17: 41
  
  I have a counter question for FAN Putin.
  
  Don't you think this is like hanging labels? If the conversation is in a similar style, then it would be nice to start to decide whose fan you are? I’ll try to answer for those whom you call fans.
  
  If so much is being built, why is the country's GDP 1%?
  
  1% of what?
  
  Or do you want to say that there are only losses from these construction projects? Then why give an example?
  
  Why are the losses. For example, they built a bridge, they need it, they use it. Do you just want to get profit from it? Do you need to make a fare? Tell, what profit do you expect from the constructed road to receive? Arguing in this way is strange.
  Build really is not enough. Showing how much is being built, I just say that it’s wrong to assume that everything is closed, demolished and nothing is done. Is this enough for economic growth? Not. Investments in fixed assets account for about 20% of GDP, approximately, as in Germany, if interested, look on the Internet for how much the economy is growing there. Starting next year, investments are increasing. If I am not mistaken, in the 2020th up to 21,6%, in 2021 - up to 25% and so on, in my opinion up to 27%, which should ultimately lead to an increase in growth to 3-5% per year. This is not as easy as it seems at first glance. It seems that there is money, take it and invest, but ..... Try, for example, to build two bridges at once in Yakutsk and Sakhalin, because there is money. Who will build? You? It is possible, say, to double production at KAMAZ, but where to sell the produced? To do this, we need external markets, Africa, Latin America, and even there, we must compete with such monsters as China, the EU, South Korea, Japan and so on. In general, markets for themselves need to be grown. But this does not suit you. Then such a howl rises , they say, you must first bring gas to the last hut in the taiga and build crystal palaces for everyone, and only then you can climb abroad.
  
  And if everything is as good as YOU draw, why does the country's demography only fall, except for the Caucasus republics?
  
  You all decided to dump a bunch? Also ask why we have such a climate, since there is money. Do you think that the larger the economy, the higher the birth rate? Look at Africa, about fertility - this is for them. Go to the Europeans, ask them why such a demography, you can compare with Belarus.
  1. plabu
    
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    27 November 2019 07: 55
    
    Quote: 123
    ... Why are the losses. For example, they built a bridge, they need it, they use it. Do you just want to get profit from it? Do you need to make a fare? Tell, what profit do you expect from the constructed road to receive? Arguing in this way is strange. ...
    
    Tell me, but the fact that travel is really paid, you do not mention for what reason? Why go far - compare the M-4, I live in those parts, there was and still have the opportunity to compare - in fact, what already was, a little bit of shamanism, some chips added, and it became for the money - this is not even remembering that all the repairs they were mainly carried out at the most “convenient” time for the people, in the summer, just during the period of mass arrivals at the seas, so that some names of settlements still cause trembling, out of habit, so to speak, although the repair has already been completed ...
    And what is going on in the cities ?? Following the example of Moscow, they decided to block the mass parking and the arrival in the city center, but there’s nowhere to do it, but first arrange the OT work so that it doesn’t work like clockwork, it’s not everywhere and not at all, we often just decided to make a paid parking lot, but THEN we will organize and will establish ...
    But there, too, there are troubles - in Krasnodar, at first, almost all the income, well, expenses, were given to the investor, but there they at least immediately told what year everything will go to the city, in Samara, it seems, they divide 50 by 50, but in Rostov -on-Don, an investor, LLC receives 85 percent, and the city only 15 ...
    
    Quote: 123
    ... Build really is not enough. Showing how much is being built, I just say that it is wrong to assume that everything is closed, demolished and nothing is done in our country. Is this enough for economic growth? Not. Investments in fixed assets account for about 20% of GDP, approximately, as in Germany, if interested, look on the Internet for how much the economy is growing there. Starting next year, investments are increasing. If I am not mistaken, in the 2020th up to 21,6%, in 2021 - up to 25% and so on, in my opinion up to 27%, which should ultimately lead to an increase in growth to 3-5% per year. To do this is not as simple as it seems at first glance. It seems that there is money, take it and invest, but ..... Try, for example, to build two bridges at once in Yakutsk and Sakhalin, because there is money. Who will build? You?...
    
    Let's start with what they are building - yes, BUT the question is - why did you decide that the construction of the second bridge is so problematic? No one to build? There is someone to build, but the problems are different - in the price of construction and in choosing a contractor. I can say for sure that without changing the SYSTEM of our existing roads, there will NOT be any good, high-quality roads for a very long time, regardless of how much will be allocated for this - I had a chance to talk with almost graduates of construction universities who have already been in practice, faced reality, so to speak, they were explained to them on the first day that if everything was built strictly according to standards and technologies, then “there will be nothing for kids of builders next year”, what can I say more ...
    
    Quote: 123
    ... In general, markets for themselves need to be grown. But this does not suit you. Then such a howl rises they say, you must first bring gas to the last hut in the taiga and build crystal palaces for everyone, and only then you can climb abroad ...
    
    And the right howl rises, about crystal everyone - please bend), but how many emergency housing in the country? And the pace of its construction leaves much to be desired, but they cheerfully tell us that the NWF will grow by the end of the year to 7 trillion 808 billion rubles, and no one is going to spend this little cup on the needs of ALL citizens, on the contrary, the state’s social expenditures are only falling, from 2012 to 2018 - from 62 percent to 57 percent, but no one particularly recalls the Constitution ...
    And you ask how much it costs to connect the gas, often the one to which a maximum of several hundred meters, or even tens of meters - several HUNDRED thousand rubles, why so? Yes, because it is a monopolist, and is this normal? ...
    Relatives in the region oh how long, almost a whole street threw themselves off, then it was still 50, but long ago, then they were fed “breakfasts” for a long time, and then they were shocked that now it would cost 000, the situation ended successfully, BUT only because that there were people who were informed and plus the president was going to meet with us, the gas men were warned that there would be a messenger and he would be caught in the dark, there were their own layouts, and the son of one of the gas men was involved in this fraud, that's why they were connected on old so ska amb conditions.
    They will never let you go to each hut, but to make sure that these processes are active in our country - the monopolist does not itch, why should he? He has a pipe, she feeds him.
    It is not bad to conquer sales markets, of course, but to increase my mother’s retirement - there would be much more sense, most of this is Africa to the point ...
    1. 123
      
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      27 November 2019 13: 53
      
      Tell me, but the fact that travel is really paid, you do not mention for what reason?
      
      The reason is simple, I don’t know about it. Apparently, missed by inattention. I leafed through, there, it seems, for freight transport, toll passage, apparently, they want to partially recover the costs.
      
      ... all repairs were mainly carried out at the most “convenient” time for the people, in the summer.
      
      We also have repairs only in the summer, it is uncomfortable and annoying, especially since the summer is short. But on the other hand, let it be better in the summer than that.
      
      BUT the question is - why did you decide that the construction of the second bridge is so problematic? No one to build? There is someone to build, but the problems are different - in the price of construction and in choosing a contractor.
      
      I think you are overly optimistic in this matter. There are not many similar organizations in the country, especially in Yakutia or the Far East. This task is not for the usual Bridge Detachment. Was there a lot of people willing to build the Crimean bridge? Those willing to find money will be found, but those capable of building are not a fact.
      
      I can say for sure that without changing the SYSTEM that currently exists in our country, roads, good, high-quality roads are still very long ...
      
      Quality suits me, our roads are normal. For the whole country I can’t judge.
      
      if you build everything strictly according to standards and technologies, then "there will be nothing for the builders to do next year", which is something to be said about ...
      
      Here you are right, you need to conclude a contract immediately and for maintenance, built and maintain the warranty period, if something goes wrong - repair at your own expense.
      
      but how many emergency housing in the country? And the pace of its construction leaves much to be desired.
      
      Is this a reason to abandon foreign markets? The treasury is full of money, but for some reason they are sure that they are being taken away from the construction of houses and sent to Africa by cars.
      
      And you ask how much it costs to connect the gas, often the one to which a maximum of several hundred meters, or even tens of meters - several HUNDRED thousand rubles, why so? Yes, because it is a monopolist, and is this normal? ...
      
      No, that’s not normal, I don’t like it. And now, until the connection at the normal price is done, you can’t think about foreign markets?
      
      It is not bad to conquer sales markets, of course, but to increase my mother’s retirement - there would be much more sense, most of this is Africa to the point ...
      
      But am I against it? I just explained why this is done, in the sense of why these markets are needed. I repeat, these issues are not related to each other. Do you think money is being sent to Africa from a pension fund?
      1. plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 14: 06
        
        A double impression of the answer - about summer repairs, I wrote about the M4, well, in the midst of the holidays, it's time to carry out repairs there, you probably never went there ...
        But about spending money - if you used up what is called, in parallel, both for domestic needs, for the benefit of the population, and for some markets - there would be much less disturbance - in my opinion, we hear and read mostly about the most diverse foreign projects ...
        And until our monopolists - such as GAZPROM - do not OBLIGATE to spend at least as many percent on ... with a debriefing, preferably live and in demand for every ruble spent for other purposes, or not spent - there will be no sense , IMHO, of course, and dreamed of something too much, this can hardly be expected, but ....
        And about my, as you wrote, excessive optimism - why the same Chinese should not be allowed even once, when and to whom the COMPETITION interfered, in the good sense of the word, competition, and not the way we conduct competitions or tenders ...
        
        123
        
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        27 November 2019 14: 22
        
        about summer repairs, I wrote about the M4, well, at the height of the holidays, it's time to carry out repairs there, you probably never went there ...
        
        I won’t say for M4, I haven’t been there for 10-12 years. I understand that repair interferes in the summer, but when to do it? Do you think that everything was rolled up quickly in March, and that’s it? Maybe there, according to technology, the land should warm up to a certain temperature, or maybe financing is not on time, competitions and stuff, I'm not aware. With us, for example, in May it can be snowed, when are they worth doing, if not in the summer?
        
        until our monopolists, such as GAZPROM, DO NOT OBLIGATE to spend at least as many percent on ... with a debriefing, preferably live and in demand for each ruble spent for other purposes, or unspent - there will be no sense, IMHO, of course, yes and dreaming of something too much, this can hardly be expected, but ....
        
        I have no objections. So this should be achieved, and not stop work in other areas.
        
        You wrote, too optimistic - why the same Chinese should not be allowed even once, when and to whom the COMPETITION interfered, in the good sense of the word, competition, and not the way we conduct competitions or tenders ...
        
        Oh, in vain you raised this topic. Now they are raiding, they will spit about the Chinese occupation. Look here on the website, they wrote about the construction of the Zvezda shipyard, and how the local community reacts to Chinese builders.
      2. plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 15: 24
        
        I wrote about toll fare that they are trying to make it paid everywhere ...
        There are more and more such sections, and something tells me that they will NOT calm down until all the roads and highways start giving money, and most importantly - to whom to give, about Plato, which is a typical example ...
        
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        27 November 2019 15: 29
        
        I wrote about toll fare that they are trying to make it paid everywhere ...
        
        I won’t say it for the whole country, I don’t remember this.
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 15: 32
        
        So what prevents you from using the search?)
        
        123
        
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        27 November 2019 15: 38
        
        So what prevents you from using the search?)
        
        What's the point? I can find the data, the length of the roads, how many of them are paid, how much are planned .... and further? It is clear that part of the plots is paid, there is private investment. Want to find confirmation on toll plans on all roads? So it will not be.
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 17: 20
        
        There will be no confirmation, I agree here, but as for private investments - well, the board was hung up, the lanes were divided, and so, in fact, where the road was going, there it is almost right now, so according to the documents, there are investments, but it’s more complicated with the facts, which was discussed earlier - or how they make paid parking, not everywhere and not always, but very often - on the pavement that was laid back in the days of my grandmother, painted with white paint - voila, the parking place is ready, but we are told that the LLC spent a lot on this)))
        
        123
        
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        27 November 2019 17: 51
        
        It’s hard for me to judge this, we have few paid parking lots, in my opinion, only under the constructed supermarkets mainly.
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 19: 12
        
        We even have a place that the shopping center has equipped for itself, for itself, so to speak, but even this went to that society, naturally private ...
        
        123
        
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        27 November 2019 19: 17
        
        I can only sympathize. In general, you are right, there is a tendency. Today the M11 "Neva" was opened, the fare is paid, a passenger car of 1 kopecks.
        
        plabu
        
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        27 November 2019 19: 59
        
        I can’t say that I know the details on this M11 highway, but from what I heard back when they started discussing it, the board here may be justified to some extent - when they build from scratch, you can still understand , and before that there was a highway that rested against a traffic light and a pedestrian crossing in one of the cities) in fact, there the highway passed through the city, it seems, they removed it now, but I haven’t looked at the details yet, I just can’t say for sure ...
4. Naemnik
  
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  26 November 2019 22: 07
  
  I would say the following: large infrastructure projects are characterized by the fact that they are costly and do not bring so-called "quick money", pay off for a long time, but subsequently have a large positive economic impact in the strategic perspective. Experience, technology, logistics ...
  1. plabu
    
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    27 November 2019 07: 59
    
    A certain balance is desirable - both large and small ...
  2. 123
    
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    27 November 2019 14: 23
    
    I would say the following: large infrastructure projects are characterized by the fact that they are costly and do not bring so-called "quick money", pay off for a long time, but subsequently have a large positive economic impact in the strategic perspective. Experience, technology, logistics ...
    
    Golden words
    1. plabu
      
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      27 November 2019 17: 11
      
      Of course, especially after the road built to the APEC summit, in my opinion, just collapsed)
  3. g1washntwn
    
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    28 November 2019 07: 27
    
    All this is correct if the state acts as an investor, but in our country the market and the second half of finance are only interested in quick money.
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Artie

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26 November 2019 14: 25

Cool, well done.
chemurij

+4

26 November 2019 15: 27

Great, good news, our people in the north deserve special attention, there simply life is a constant overcoming, and "giving coal to the country" is a never-ending heroic epic.
Sapsan136

+2

27 November 2019 19: 13

Why not?! To equip the Russian Federation is much more useful for the Russian Federation than to feed the Russophobia countries of the former USSR at its expense ... Not a horse feed ...
fevralsk.morev.75

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28 November 2019 02: 37

Quote: steel maker
I have a counter question to FANS of Putin. If so much is being built, why is the country's GDP 1%? Where's the money? Or do you want to say that only losses from these construction projects? Then why give an example? And if everything is as good as YOU paint, why is the country's demography only falling, except for the Caucasian republics? In general - "Where is the money, ZIN?"

Respected. Watch TV with rose-colored glasses and stop looking into the fridge with black glasses. For whom Solovyov and his friend are trying in the program "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin.", Talking about rivers of milk with jelly banks. Have you watched the "Sdelanunas" videos? Have you heard - "VyHotiteKakNaUkraine" and "VyHotiteKakV90s"? It's just that, for 20 years now, Putin has been hindered by crises and sanctions.
fevralsk.morev.75

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28 November 2019 02: 45

But Brezhnev should not be touched, in terms of how many villages disappeared with him !!!! Your Putin can compete with him, only with the MINUS sign !!!! Want the facts? You are welcome. The city of Kuibyshev in the Novosibirsk region. EIGHT enterprises worked in the terrible 90s. From 2003 to 2009, ALL closed! Zil, AZLK, Izh-auto, Izh-motorcycle, Volgograd and Vladimir tractor, Krasnoyarsk tire, etc. Do you and Putin live on the same planet? I am in the Far East. I see how our forest leaves for China. Something Putin said about the ban on the export of raw forest ....