Unpleasant news for Russia: why Rafale “defeated” Su-30 in India


Unpleasant for Russia news came from India. New Delhi preferred our fourth-generation French fighter Rafale to our Su-30MKI. The Indian edition of The Economic Times cruelly rode our planes. What is this, "revenge of the Sikhs" for the "tricks" of Moscow with Pakistan or banal bargaining?


The positions of Russian weapons are traditionally strong in the Indian market. Thus, India’s fleet consists of approximately 80% equipment domestic production. In the sixties, this country began to acquire MiG-21 fighters from the USSR, and after that it began their licensed production, collecting more than six hundred. Their modernized versions to this day are in the service of the Indian Air Force. There are about 120 of these winged cars. New Delhi also acquired the MiG-29 and MiG-27.

It should be noted that India did not allow the emergence of a monopoly on the part of Russia. In addition to Russian aircraft, she bought the French Mirage 2000 (H / TH) and the Franco-British Jaguar. New Delhi sought to diversify supplies as much as possible on the basis of international cooperation, as well as to localize the production of aircraft. This is especially evident in the example of the Su-30MKI fighter. The last three letters indicate: multi-purpose, commercial, Indian.

Despite its Russian origin, this aircraft is a product of cooperation of several countries - Russia, India, France and Israel. The last three countries supply electronic equipment, navigation and display systems, and on-board computer systems. Having received them in service in the nineties, New Delhi achieved air superiority over Islamabad. In the two thousandths, a phased localization of Su-30MKI production in India began. First there was a “screwdriver assembly”, then only a purchase of materials and raw materials from which the entire production cycle was already carried out on site. In addition, the Indians received a license to manufacture the AL-31FP engine designed for Su-30MKI fighters.

The Russian fighter has become the main "workhorse", every year the Indian Air Force fleet is replenished by 12 pieces. So why did these fighters suddenly come under such criticism?

Indian edition claimsthat the flight range of Rafale significantly exceeds the Su-30MKI, which is why the “Frenchman” can fly 5 sorties a day, and the “Russian” can do only 3. In reality, airplanes of different designs have both stronger strengths and competitors weak. Rafale has a combat radius of 1389 km, Su-30MKI - 1500 km. The practical ceiling of the first is 15 meters, of the second aircraft - 240 meters. Finally, a Russian fighter is cheaper to buy and maintain.

As for the argument about the relatively higher accident rate of the “Russian”, the following factors must be taken into account. Firstly, statistics are determined by their large number in service. Secondly, there are questions to the level of their maintenance. Thirdly, every tenth plane in the Indian Air Force was "shot down" by ordinary birds living in huge landfills near cities, near which there are airfields. Finally, in emergency situations, Indian pilots prefer not to fight to save the aircraft, but to eject. Hence the statistics.

In fact, the Su-30MKI in version 4 ++ is able to cover the skies of India for a couple of decades. “Hit” on him in the Indian press, most likely, is associated with two factors. New Delhi did not like the fact that Russia favored Pakistan's interest in acquiring modern weapons. The Pakistani Prime Minister said:

Yes, we are looking at weapons from Russia, and I know that our military is already in contact with the Russian military.


In addition, the Indian side is clearly not against promoting Moscow for big discounts. The HAL concern announced the termination of production of the Su-30MKI with the reservation “in the absence of new orders” from the next year. Apparently, Russia is waiting for proposals that India will not be able to refuse.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 25 November 2019 14: 49
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    The usual policy of India ... This country has always bought part of the weapon in Russia, and part in the West ... Nothing new, and you do not need to look for a black cat in a black room ... it is not there ...
  2. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 25 November 2019 16: 48
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    What is this, "revenge of the Sikhs" for the "tricks" of Moscow with Pakistan or banal bargaining?

    - And what, you can’t just assume that they didn’t have the technical specifications, reliability, service features and something else “on the topic”, without unnecessary politics and resentment?
  3. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 25 November 2019 17: 22
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    India is considered to be an ally and partner for Russia. We all see how the United States behaves with its allies if they refuse to buy American weapons. Therefore, I believe that India with such a purchase showed, at a minimum, Russia's disrespect. Moreover, France is not going to provide production technologies, like Russia. I would have suggested something to Pakistan for such a "demarche in spite".

    Do not renounce Russia, Russia is your friend forever .....
  4. User Kont_2 Offline
    User Kont_2 (User Kont) 25 November 2019 17: 41
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    Rafale has a combat radius of 1389 km, Su-30MKI - 1500 km.

    1389 is the radius of Raphael with maximum load and weapons, otherwise it is 1800 km. And then, why should the Indians lie about this?
  5. Syoma_67 Offline
    Syoma_67 (Semyon) 25 November 2019 23: 28
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    Cheaper when buying and servicing.

    - as life shows, “sweet cheese is only in a mousetrap,” and the Indians finally understood this.
  6. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 November 2019 08: 13
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    Quote: User Kont_2
    Rafale has a combat radius of 1389 km, Su-30MKI - 1500 km.

    1389 is the radius of Raphael with maximum load and weapons, otherwise it is 1800 km. And then, why should the Indians lie about this?

    What is the point of taking into account the radius of a fighter without combat loading?
  7. oracul Offline
    oracul (leonid) 26 November 2019 08: 47
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    India is a partner, but not an ally. The fact that the Indians support us in some of the issues discussed at the UN or various international associations is related to the coincidence of interests, but not to the fulfillment of any allied obligations. Everything else is more likely a business.
  8. DPN Offline
    DPN (DPN) 26 November 2019 11: 00
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    Oddly enough, but the Indians are doing the right thing; keep eggs in different baskets; just in case. It would be foolish if Pakistani SU-30s meet with the SU-30 of India.
  9. Vkd dvk Offline
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 26 November 2019 18: 20
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    Quote: Arkharov
    What is this, "revenge of the Sikhs" for the "tricks" of Moscow with Pakistan or banal bargaining?

    - And what, you can’t just assume that they didn’t have the technical specifications, reliability, service features and something else “on the topic”, without unnecessary politics and resentment?

    But do you not know the words of Lenin that "Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy"? Loot is everything. In India, a lot of different interested people tied to different systems and supplies.
    They have long been behaving like an asshole Buridanov, wandering between two haystacks and not deciding which to eat from. And, as a result, starved to death.
  10. Vkd dvk Offline
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 26 November 2019 18: 22
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    Quote: DPN
    Oddly enough, but the Indians are doing the right thing; keep eggs in different baskets; just in case. It would be foolish if Pakistani SU-30s meet with the SU-30 of India.

    At least - to be equally armed and rely on a better organization, infrastructure, training of personnel and pilots. Do you really think that the French make cars better than ours? Prove it.
  11. Upmost Offline
    Upmost (Innocent) 26 November 2019 23: 38
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    Quote: wkd dvk
    Do you really think that the French make cars better than ours? Prove it.

    Then why did the Russian Federation buy various complex components for the Sukhoi Superjet from the French, different electronics (where Chinese products are not quoted), and even wanted to buy Mistral?
    And why in such a cool country (RF) are still not able to build ships (including the military) using the large-assembly method (like the French)? And why is Mistral so round-shaped against the backdrop of Gorshkovs and Grens chopped with an ax?
    The list of "why" goes on ....
    1. Upmost Offline
      Upmost (Innocent) 27 November 2019 01: 54
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      Well, minus. What next?
      With the facts of the refutation is stressful, however ...